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Tribunus Plebis Fr. Apulus Caesar Omnibus SPD
The session of the Senate is closed and the votes have been tallied
as follows:
Formal debate ended on January 24th at 12:30 PM CET. Voting began immediately
afterwards and ended on January 28th at 17:20 PM CET.
The results were officially published by the presiding Consul Gnaeus
Salix Astur on the Senate list on January 28th 2757 (01/28/2004).
The following Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to below
by a code composed by their initials:
CSA - Cn. Salix Astur
CEM - Cn. Equitius Marinus
MOG - M. Octavius Germanicus
LSD - L. Sicinius Drusus
CON - Cn. Octavius Noricus
KFQ - K. Fabius Quintilianus
AICPM - Alexander I.C. Probus Macedonicus
AGG - A. Gryllus Graecus
MAM - M. Arminius Maior
MMA - M. Minucius Audens
PC - Patricia Cassia
TLF - T. Labienus Fortunatus
QFM - Q. Fabius Maximus
DIS - D. Iunius Silanus
FAC - Fr. Apulus Caesar
AMC - Ap. Marcellus Cato
MCI - M. Cassius Iulianus
LSA - L. Sergius Australicus
LEC - L. Equitius Cincinnatus
CMM - C. Marius Merullus
DIP - D. Iunius Palladius
CFD - C. Flavius Diocletianus
LPO - L. Pompeius Octavianus
Only Senator Lucius Cornelius Sulla failed to vote.
Remember that "VTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an
item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO"
is an abstention.
The overall results are as follow:
I. Approval of the Lex Labiena de Iure Civium, presented to the Comitia
Centuriata a.d. IV Idus Decembris anno MMDCCLVI (December the 8th 2003)
by the consul T. Labienus Fortunatus and approved by the Comitia Centuriata
a.d. VIII Kal. Ianuariis (December the 25th). [please, visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/18009
if you would read the original text]
Item I passes with 22 votes in favor (2/3 of the votes of the Senate),
0 opposing and 1 abstentions.
CSA - VTI ROGAS
CEM - VTI ROGAS
MOG - VTI ROGAS
LSD - VTI ROGAS
CON - VTI ROGAS
KFQ - VTI ROGAS
AICPM - VTI ROGAS
AGG - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
MMA - VTI ROGAS
PC - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS
DIS - VTI ROGAS
FAC - VTI ROGAS
AMC - VTI ROGAS
MCI - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
LEC - VTI ROGAS
CMM - VTI ROGAS
DIP - VTI ROGAS: A long overdue change.
CFD - VTI ROGAS
LPO - ABSTINEO
II. Approval of the Lex Labiena de Gentibus, presented to the Comitia
Centuriata a.d. IV Idus Decembris anno MMDCCLVI (December the 8th 2003)
by the consul T. Labienus Fortunatus and approved by the Comitia Centuriata
a.d. VIII Kal. Ianuariis (December the 25th). [please, visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/18009
if you would read the original text]
Item II passes with 18 votes in favor (2/3 of the votes of the Senate),
2 opposing and 3 abstentions.
CSA - VTI ROGAS
CEM - VTI ROGAS
MOG - VTI ROGAS
LSD - VTI ROGAS
CON - VTI ROGAS
KFQ - VTI ROGAS
AICPM - VTI ROGAS
AGG - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
MMA - VTI ROGAS
PC - VTI ROGAS: since the Comitia has approved it. However, I have reservations
about whether this law is sufficient to ensure the rights and freedoms
of Gens members, and urge the Consuls to further refine it at the earliest
opportunity.
TLF - VTI ROGAS
QFM - ABSTINEO
DIS - ABSTINEO: I have concerns that this could result in a plethora
of one person families with substantially less cohesion and support
that the current system affords. However, it is certainly more historical
and I am loathe to vote against it.
FAC - VTI ROGAS
AMC - VTI ROGAS: I call on the Consuls to help implement this change
by promulgating leges dealing with Naturalization and Adoption.
MCI - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
LEC - VTI ROGAS
CMM - ANTIQVO
DIP - ANTIQVO: A change that comes far too soon. It will create hundreds
of one person families with no sense of kinship with others in their
gentes. It does nothing to unify Nova Roma.
CFD - VTI ROGAS
LPO - ABSTINEO
III. Approval of the Lex Fabia Labiena de Iure Augurum, presented to
the Comitia Centuriata a.d. IV Idus Decembris anno MMDCCLVI (December
the 8th 2003) by the consul T. Labienus Fortunatus and approved by the
Comitia Centuriata a.d. VIII Kal. Ianuariis (December the 25th). [please,
visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/18009 if you would
read the original text]
Item III passes with 22 votes in favor (2/3 of the votes of the Senate),
0 opposing and 1 abstentions.
CSA - VTI ROGAS
CEM - VTI ROGAS
MOG - VTI ROGAS
LSD - VTI ROGAS
CON - VTI ROGAS
KFQ - VTI ROGAS
AICPM - VTI ROGAS
AGG - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
MMA - VTI ROGAS
PC - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS
DIS - VTI ROGAS
FAC - VTI ROGAS
AMC - VTI ROGAS
MCI - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
LEC - VTI ROGAS
CMM - VTI ROGAS
DIP - VTI ROGAS
CFD - VTI ROGAS
LPO - ABSTINEO
IV. Approval of the Lex Labiena de Obnuntiatione, presented to the
Comitia Centuriata a.d. IV Idus Decembris anno MMDCCLVI (December the
8th 2003) by the consul T. Labienus Fortunatus and approved by the Comitia
Centuriata a.d. VIII Kal. Ianuariis (December the 25th). [please, visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/18009 if you would read
the original text]
Item IV passes with 22 votes in favor (2/3 of the votes of the Senate),
0 opposing and 1 abstentions.
CSA - VTI ROGAS
CEM - VTI ROGAS
MOG - VTI ROGAS
LSD - VTI ROGAS
CON - VTI ROGAS
KFQ - VTI ROGAS
AICPM - VTI ROGAS
AGG - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
MMA - VTI ROGAS
PC - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS
DIS - VTI ROGAS
FAC - VTI ROGAS
AMC - VTI ROGAS
MCI - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
LEC - VTI ROGAS
CMM - VTI ROGAS
DIP - VTI ROGAS
CFD - VTI ROGAS
LPO - ABSTINEO
V. Approval of the Lex Fabia de Civitate Minorum, presented to the
Comitia Centuriata a.d. XII Kal. Decembris anno MMDCCLVI (November the
20th 2003) by the consul Q. Fabius Quintilianus and approved by the
Comitia Centuriata a.d. III Non. Decembris (December the 3rd). [please,
visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/16615 if you would
read the original text]
Item V is NOT approved with 13 votes in favor, 8 opposing and 2 abstentions.
It required 2/3 of the votes of the Senate.
CSA - VTI ROGAS
CEM - VTI ROGAS
MOG - VTI ROGAS
LSD - ANTIQVO: I cast this vote in English because I'm voting on this
matter as a member of the Board of Directors of Nova Roma Inc. I Would
be remiss in my duties to the corporation if I voted yes on a matter
that places Nova Roma Inc. in a situation where it could be violating
the laws of the nations we operate in. Procedures need to be put in
place to ensure that Nova Roma Inc. will be in compliance with national
laws regarding minors before this change becomes effective.
CON - ABSTINEO
KFQ - VTI ROGAS
AICPM - VTI ROGAS
AGG - ANTIQVO
MAM - VTI ROGAS
MMA - VTI ROGAS
PC - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
QFM - ANTIQVO: This lex lacks the prudence we need when it comes to
minors. One Senator comment that we should pay a lawyer to look over
and comment on our liability is the first thing I have heard that makes
any sense when it comes this issue. We cannot guess as we have been
doing, it is too dangerous to continue in this vein. I hope this lex
is defeated. We are simply putting a band aid over a festering wound,
and will have to revisit the issue later.
DIS - VTI ROGAS
FAC - VTI ROGAS
AMC - ANTIQVO: I do not vote in favor at this time, for reasons that
have already been mentioned by our noble collegue, Senator Drusus.
MCI - VTI ROGAS
LSA - ANTIQVO: I am not opposed to this lex in principle. I voted for
it in Comitia. However the concerns raised by Palladius are valid. On
closer examination, although this lex says that we will obtain written
permission from parent or guardian before admitting a minor to citizenship,
it does not say how the Censors will verify that written permission.
Given the political/social climate of the macronation that hosts Nova
Roma, I think that should be specified.
LEC - ANTIQVO: SIC, I do not vote in favor at this time, for reasons
that have already been mentioned by our noble colleague, Senator Drusus.
CMM - VTI ROGAS
DIP - ANTIQVO: This is an incredibly irresponsible proposal by comparison
to the current law it hopes to amend--which is only two years old. Nova
Roma does not need minors as citizens whose parents are not citizens
also. The risk of bad publicity and potential lawsuits is too great.
I wish that the senators who voted yes for this would explain their
actions with accompanying comments, not one has put remarks with his
vote regarding this item. I understand voting for gens reform, even
if I don't approve of it; voting for this makes no sense to me.
CFD - ANTIQVO
LPO - ABSTINEO
VI. Appointment of a new propraetor for the Provincia of America Austrorientalis.
The sole candidate is:
Gaius Popilius Laenas
Item VI passes with 21 votes in favor, 1 opposing and 1 abstentions.
C. Popilius Laenas is appointed propraetor of America Austrorientalis.
CSA - VTI ROGAS
CEM - ANTIQVO: As much as I respect Gaius Popilius, and understand that
he has learned from his recent experiences, I think we would do better
to issue a call for candidates for this office. If after such a call
Gaius Popilius emerges as the best qualified candidate I will approve
him without hesitation.
MOG - VTI ROGAS
LSD - VTI ROGAS
CON - VTI ROGAS
KFQ - VTI ROGAS
AICPM - VTI ROGAS
AGG - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
MMA - VTI ROGAS
PC - VTI ROGAS: I believe that Gaius Popilius has learned from his experience,
and I also came to respect him during a previous time when I worked
with him closely. I believe he will resume his role as a positive force
in Nova Roma.
TLF - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS: Gaius Popilius was doing a good job when the war called
him, and now he can pick up where he left off. The fact no one opposed
him, shows his province is in agreement.
DIS - VTI ROGAS: I am most pleased to see Gaius Popilius Laenas return
to activity. Nova Roma can only benefit from his experience.
FAC - ABSTINEO: I have read several good things and opinions about Illustrus
Gaius Popilius Laenas. However I can't give a positive (or negative)
vote for two reasons: firstly I don't know him personally and I don't
know well the history of his propraetorship. Secondly I think a public
call for candidacies could be better and useful.
AMC - VTI ROGAS
MCI - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
LEC - VTI ROGAS: I'm very pleased that this is being done in such a
timely fashion, without much recrimination, posturing or personal rancor.
CMM - VTI ROGAS
DIP - VTI ROGAS: Welcome back to the position, Laenas!
CFD - VTI ROGAS
LPO - VTI ROGAS
For further information contact the Tribunes Plebis at tribunes@novaroma.org
Valete,
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Tribunus Plebis
a.d. IV Kal. Feb. MMDCCLVII
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