Session L 22 May 2757

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This is a report of a session of the Nova Roma Senate of a.d. XI Kal. Iun. , Cn. Salice Cn. Equitio cos. MMDCCLVII a.u.c..


Senate action for 22 May 2757 as posted in the “old Tabularium” Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Censor 10 August 2761 A.V.C.

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The session of the Senate is closed and the votes have been tallied as follows:

Formal debate ended on May 22, at 20:30 Central European Time Voting began immediately afterwards and ended on May 31st at 20:30 Central European Time

The results were officially published by the presiding Consul Gnaeus Equitius Marinus on the Senate list on June 1, 2757 (06/01/2004).

The following Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to below by a code composed by their initials:

GnEM - Gn. Equitius Marinus CFQ - C. Fabius Quintilianus FAC - Fr. Apulus Caesar GnSA - Gn. Salix Astur LPO - L. Pompeius Octavianus MM-TA - M. Minucius-Tiberius Audens ATMC - Ap. Tullius Marcellus Cato AICPM - Alexander I.C. Probus Macedonicus LECA - L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur DIPI - D. Iunius Palladius Invictus LCSF Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix CFD - C. Flavius Diocletianus QFM - Q. Fabius Maximus DIS - D. Iunius Silanus AGG - A. Gryllus Graecus TLF - T. Labienus Fortunatus LSA - L. Sergius Australicus MCJ - M. Cassius Iulianus PC - Patricia Cassia GMM - G. Marius Merullus MAM - M. Arminius Maior

Senators Gn. Octavius Noricus and M. Octavius Germanicus did not to vote.

Remember that "VTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO" is an abstention. NV indicates no vote was cast for that item.

I. Prorogation of Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as Propraetor America Medioccidentalis Superior.

Item I passes with 21 votes in favor 0 opposing and 0 abstentions

GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS FAC -VTI ROGAS GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO -VTI ROGAS MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -VTI ROGAS AICPM-VTI ROGAS LECA -VTI ROGAS DIPI -VTI ROGAS LCSF -VTI ROGAS CFD -VTI ROGAS QFM -VTI ROGAS DIS -VTI ROGAS AGG-VTI ROGAS TLF -VTI ROGAS LSA -VTI ROGAS MCJ -VTI ROGAS PC -VTI ROGAS GMM -VTI ROGAS MAM -VTI ROGAS

II. Prorogation of Marcus Darius Firmitus as Propraetor of Canada Orientalis.

Item II passes with 21 votes in favor 0 opposing and 0 abstentions

GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS FAC -VTI ROGAS GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO -VTI ROGAS MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -VTI ROGAS I supported him from the start, and will continue to support him. He is doing a fine job, and is organizing some face to face gatherings in Canada Orientalis, including participation of some of our citizens from the U.S. AICPM-VTI ROGAS LECA -VTI ROGAS DIPI -VTI ROGAS LCSF -VTI ROGAS CFD -VTI ROGAS QFM -VTI ROGAS DIS -VTI ROGAS AGG-VTI ROGAS TLF -VTI ROGAS LSA -VTI ROGAS MCJ -VTI ROGAS PC -VTI ROGAS GMM -VTI ROGAS MAM -VTI ROGAS

III. Prorogation of Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus as Propraetor of Venedia.

Item III passes with 21 votes in favor 0 opposing and 0 abstentions

GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS I think this experienced Propraetor may become very important now as EU has been expanded. FAC -VTI ROGAS GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO -VTI ROGAS MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -VTI ROGAS AICPM-VTI ROGAS I strongly support his candidacy and hope our neighbor provinces to co-operate actively on organizing common events.. LECA -VTI ROGAS DIPI -VTI ROGAS LCSF -VTI ROGAS CFD -VTI ROGAS QFM -VTI ROGAS DIS -VTI ROGAS AGG-VTI ROGAS TLF -VTI ROGAS LSA -VTI ROGAS MCJ -VTI ROGAS PC -VTI ROGAS GMM -VTI ROGAS MAM -VTI ROGAS

IV. Approval of Gaia Fabia Livia as Propraetor of Britannia.

Item IV passes with 21 votes in favor 0 opposing and 0 abstentions

GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS She is a very competent and hard working citizen, I know by my own experience that she will be good for Britannia Provincia. FAC -VTI ROGAS GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO -VTI ROGAS MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -VTI ROGAS AICPM-VTI ROGAS LECA -VTI ROGAS DIPI -VTI ROGAS I vote yes with pleasure. LCSF -VTI ROGAS CFD -VTI ROGAS My heartfelt thanks to Decimus Iunius Silanus for his outstanding work. QFM -VTI ROGAS DIS -VTI ROGAS AGG-VTI ROGAS TLF -VTI ROGAS LSA -VTI ROGAS MCJ -VTI ROGAS PC -VTI ROGAS GMM -VTI ROGAS MAM -VTI ROGAS

V. Approval of Lucius Rutilius Minervalis as Propraetor of Gallia.

Item V passes with 21 votes in favor 0 opposing and 0 abstentions

GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS I supported this citizen last time and I have no reason to change my mind. I am sure we will have the right person in this position now. FAC -VTI ROGAS I supported him during the last appointment won by Diana Aventina and I'll continue to support him as the best choice now from Provincia Gallia. GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO -VTI ROGAS MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -VTI ROGAS AICPM-VTI ROGAS I believe he will do an excellent job LECA -VTI ROGAS DIPI -VTI ROGAS May Gallia prosper under his leadership. LCSF -VTI ROGAS CFD -VTI ROGAS QFM -VTI ROGAS DIS -VTI ROGAS AGG-VTI ROGAS TLF -VTI ROGAS LSA -VTI ROGAS MCJ -VTI ROGAS PC -VTI ROGAS GMM -VTI ROGAS MAM -VTI ROGAS

VI. Approval of Senatus Consultum to waive assiduus requirement for C. Argentinus Cicero, to be eligible for appointment as propraetor of Argentina.

Item VI passes with 16 votes in favor 0 opposing and 5 abstentions

GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS I support this as I see the need for it, especially as Consul Gnaeus Equitius Marinus has promised to pay his taxes. FAC ABSTINEO: I think this could be an hard precedent, but I have read that someone would pay for him. I support this last solution GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO : VTI ROGAS I'll be very glad if he is appointed propraetor. And he already has experience as scriba Propraetoris Hispaniae. MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -ABSTINEO AICPM-VTI ROGAS LECA -VTI ROGAS I believe that someone has volunteered to pay his assessment, or has done so. DIPI -ABSTINEO LCSF -VTI ROGAS CFD -ABSTINEO I don't C. Argentinus Cicero enough to decide on yes. QFM -VTI ROGAS DIS -VTI ROGAS Although I am not terribly keen on setting precedents of this kind, I have to agree that Argentina and her citizens currently deserve special consideration. No one will benefit by leaving this province without a governor. Further, I am satisfied that this citizens taxes will be paid prior to his appointment although I would have preferred this to have happened prior to this vote. AGG-VTI ROGAS TLF -VTI ROGAS LSA -VTI ROGAS MCJ -VTI ROGAS PC -VTI ROGAS GMM -VTI ROGAS MAM -VTI ROGAS

VII. Approval of Caius Argentinus Cicero as propraetor of Argentina.

Item VII passes with 18 votes in favor 0 opposing and 3 abstentions

GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS I am prepared to support him, especially as he has the support of Illustrious Lucius Pompeius Octavianus FAC -ABSTINEO GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO -VTI ROGAS I'll be very glad if he is appointed propraetor. And he already has experience as scriba Propraetoris Hispaniae. MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -VTI ROGAS AICPM-VTI ROGAS LECA -VTI ROGAS DIPI -ABSTINEO LCSF -VTI ROGAS CFD -ABSTINEO QFM -VTI ROGAS DIS -VTI ROGAS Following the endorsement of Senator Octavianus, I can only support this citizens appointment, although, as stated above, I would be more comfortable if his taxes had already been paid. AGG-VTI ROGAS TLF -VTI ROGAS LSA -VTI ROGAS MCJ -VTI ROGAS PC -VTI ROGAS GMM -VTI ROGAS MAM -VTI ROGAS

VIII. Approval of Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus as Translator of Polish.

Item VII I passes with 21 votes in favor 0 opposing and 0 abstentions

GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS As EU expand east I think Nova Roma will get more citizens in Eastern Europe. Many millions speak Polish, I am overjoyed to see this new Interpreter FAC -VTI ROGAS GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO -VTI ROGAS MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -VTI ROGAS AICPM-VTI ROGAS LECA -VTI ROGAS DIPI -VTI ROGAS LCSF -VTI ROGAS CFD -VTI ROGAS QFM -VTI ROGAS DIS -VTI ROGAS AGG-VTI ROGAS TLF -VTI ROGAS LSA -VTI ROGAS MCJ -VTI ROGAS PC -VTI ROGAS GMM -VTI ROGAS MAM -VTI ROGAS

IX. Withdrawal of Nova Roma sponsorship from the Ludus Magnus Gladiatorial Academy, a former unit of Legio XXIV Mediatlantica and now a separate organization.

Item IX passes with 17 votes in favor 2 opposing and 2 abstentions

GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS I know the arguments for this and support them FAC -ABSTINEO GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO -VTI ROGAS MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -VTI ROGAS AICPM-VTI ROGAS LECA -VTI ROGAS DIPI -VTI ROGAS LCSF -VTI ROGAS CFD -VTI ROGAS QFM -VTI ROGAS DIS -VTI ROGAS AGG-VTI ROGAS TLF -VTI ROGAS LSA -ABSTINEO I have seen nowhere that this item was explained. If I overlooked a discussion, I apologize. MCJ -ANTIQUO Although the Ludus Magnus group is no longer allied with Legio XXIV, the leadership of the group is still friendly to Nova Roma. They will be participating at Roman Market Day in September; they should be contacted regarding sponsorship, and their existing sponsorship simply transferred to their new, separate identity. PC -NEGAT GMM VTI ROGAS MAM -VTI ROGAS

X. Approval of the Senatus Consultum concerning the association of Balticum with Venedia.

Item X passes with 17 votes in favor 3 opposing and 1 abstentions

GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS This is the same formula as the same as between Pannonia and Bohemia. I think this solution will be for the best both for Venedia and Balticum until there are enough citizens interested in a separate Balticum. FAC -ABSTINEO GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO -VTI ROGAS MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -VTI ROGAS AICPM-VTI ROGAS LECA -ABSTINEO DIPI -VTI ROGAS LCSF -VTI ROGAS CFD -VTI ROGAS QFM -ANTIQUO DIS -ANTIQUO I do not know enough about this measure to support it at the current time. AGG-VTI ROGAS TLF -VTI ROGAS LSA -ABSTINEO MCJ -VTI ROGAS PC -VTI ROGAS GMM -VTI ROGAS MAM -ANTIQUO The notion of association between provinces or territories is vague; i prefer the Baltic states as part of Provincia Venedia, to be eventually separated later.

XI. Revocation of the Senatus Consultum of 11/09/2000 entitled "The Edicta Commentary Period of Marcus Iunius Iulianus."

Item XI passes with 2O votes in favor 0 opposing and 0 abstentions and 1 no vote

GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS FAC -VTI ROGAS GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO -VTI ROGAS MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -VTI ROGAS AICPM-VTI ROGAS LECA -VTI ROGAS DIPI -VTI ROGAS LCSF -VTI ROGAS CFD -VTI ROGAS QFM -VTI ROGAS DIS -VTI ROGAS AGG-VTI ROGAS TLF -VTI ROGAS LSA -VTI ROGAS MCJ -VTI ROGAS PC -VTI ROGAS GMM -NV MAM -VTI ROGAS

XII. Approval of the Lex Equitia Galeria de Ordinarii, an amendment to the Constitution which has yet to be presented to the Comitia Centuriata.

Item XII FAILS with 9 votes in favor 8 opposing and 3 abstentions and 1 no vote


GnEM-VTI ROGAS CFQ -VTI ROGAS When many just cried out loud, Tribune Tiberius Galerius Paulinus looked for a solution to the present situation, with Praetor Noricus (who at the same time is our list moderator) missing. I think we should honor that. When I look at the proposal I find that I am willing to support it. This is a time when we must look for solutions and be constructive. FAC -VTI ROGAS As Senator and Tribunus, I give my full support to the amendment by my colleague Tiberius Paulinus. This is the best and more honorable and fast solution. GnSA -VTI ROGAS LPO -VTI ROGAS MM-TA -VTI ROGAS ATMC -VTI ROGAS AICPM-VTI ROGAS LECA -ANTIQUO a provision should be made for prior notice given, or "has not been for in contact for a period of two months, (unless prior notification has been submitted to the Senate.)" DIPI -ANTIQUO I was going to vote for this because in general it is a good law but Cincinnatus has a good point which I overlooked. If someone informs us ahead of time he is leaving an exception should be made. For example if in mid-term a magistrate finds out he is being deployed overseas, and informs the senate, provisions can be made to keep him in office and still have his duties carried out. I ask my fellow senators to reverse their votes or at least abstain until such a change be written in the law. LCSF -ABSTINEO CFD -ABSTINEO I concur my colleagues D. Iunius Palladius and L. Equitius Cincinnatus in their comments about exemptions. So I suggest to amend the draft and put it on the agenda for the next Senate session again. QFM -ANTIQUO Something should be added waiving this Lex requirement if a previous announcement given to this Senate informing them of the absence. DIS -ANTIQUO I agree with the comments of my eminent colleague, Senator Cincinnatus. AGG-ANTIQUO TLF -ABSTINEO I do think that language allowing for extenuating circumstances is desirable in this amendment. I also think that, as this is the only objection mentioned by any senator to the amendment, and as it is established practice in Nova Roma to give the senate its say on amendments after the comitia have voted on them, that it would be reasonable to present a corrected form of the amendment to the centuriae without having to consult the senate a second time on the matter. LSA -ANTIQUO In deference to points already articulated by others. MCJ -ANTIQUO I agree that this lex should be rewritten to include provision for legitimate announced leave of absences, and resubmitted at the next Senate vote. PC -ANTIQUO GMM -NV MAM -VTI ROGAS

Kal. Iun. MMDCCLVII

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