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Category talk:Tabularium (Nova Roma)

2007-11-03T07:43:29Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: /* Attention please, all interested parties */

==General working methods==

For everyone information, a specific ''''Tabularium project' group''' (Yahoo! list) has been created on 31 August 2007 to allow Praetor G. Equitius Cato's '''scribes''' (A. Apollonius Cordus and M. Lucretius Agricola) to join Pr. A. Tullia Scholastica's ones (T. Iulius Sabinus and P. Memmius Albucius), still working on the issue. The interest of this '''praetorian group''' is to join wiki skilled citizens and law ones.
Every issue presented below is naturally to be examined by this group and solved, taking in consideration the specific questions asked by the Tabularium and its relation to NR web site current technical parameters. This Tabularium project group's work is to be validated regularly by both praetors, who will communicate and/or report as they will see fit to the other concerned magistrates and assemblies of Nova Roma.
Have yet subscribed into this group : A. Apollonius Cordus (31 Aug.), T. Iulius Sabinus (1 Sept.), P. Memmius Albucius (31 Aug.). [[User:P. Memmius Albucius|Albucius]] 10:15, 03 Sept. 2007 (Rome time).

==Visual Presentation==

'''All editors please read this.'''

I see this section of our site is getting a lot of non-standard presentation elements. This practice must stop. I mean things like HTML "break" elements, using LI elements to provide indent and other things as well. If there is a display problem, we can deal with that using our stylesheets and classes. Adding presentation elements to articles is a horrible practice that makes upkeep far more difficult. In short, resist the temptation to "prettify" individual articles. It is 2007 after all, not 1985. We have tools to deal with presentation that work site-wide. Anything else will just make breakage of future skins likely. Really seriously, folks, this is a system-wide issue. Anyone with a working knowledge of XHTML (who can code to validation to the "strict" DTD) and CSS (level 1), and ideally experience with MediaWiki skins is welcome to contact me and I will give you a lot of work. '''Any specific presentation issues should be brought to my attention and I will try to get something worked out systematically.''' Well, actually, I '''will''' get something worked out. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

==CJNR==

Too bad that all the work that went into the [[CJNR]] is being ignored. I suspect that since the CJNR was an early addition, later editors did not become aware of it. '''For this reason I am placing this page on protection, in the hope that we can have a real plan in place''' before any more energy is spent on duplications. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 07:17, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

I would like to see a discussion regarding the "Novaroman Law Handbook", specifically stating why the existing [[CJNR]] cannot form the basis for this. Considerable time has been spent on the CJNR and I would dislike to see that wasted. On the other hand, if there is a fundamental flaw in the CJNR that makes it unusable, I would be willing to delete it, rather than seeing it hang on incomplete. Either way is fine, but let there please be a thoughtful reason. I urge in the strongest terms that we recruit someone from outside legal circles to look at what we have already (CJNR). If we want to write "in terms understandable by every citizen and reader", then it is best practice to get input from one or two non-specialists, at least. If we do that now we could avert the need for future potential revisions. I am not particularly happy with the CJNR title, by the way, so a move to something reasonable, ''and linkable'' would find support from me. In short, please look seriously at CJNR and explain either how it can be improved, modified, transformed or otherwise used, or why it must be abandoned. '''This commentary is not legal text itself. It is a community resource, so let's get the community in on the ground floor and build to last.''' [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

:For what it's worth, I do not like the CJNR and I do not find it helpful. But even if it is helpful to others, I do not think it ought to be included as part of the tabularium. The tabularium is a repository for legal texts. Tools which help people understand and circumnavigate those texts are jolly good, but it is not the place of the official organs of government to endorse any particular tool as any kind of official or definitive guide. Different people will have different interpretations of legal documents, and it would be iniquitous to present one interpretation as more valid than another by including it as part of the tabularium. It may be thought that the CJNR does not engage in interpretation, but I say that even classifying documents by topic is a form of interpretation: it involves decisions about what is the main or essential topic of a given text, and that is a decision about the true meaning, i.e. the interpretation, of the text.

:For the same reason, I am extremely troubled by the suggestion of creating any sort of official handbook of modern Roman law. It would, in effect, put the resources of the state behind a particular interpretation of the law regardless of whether that interpretation had the sanction of consensus, magisterial authority, decisions of a court of law, or indeed common sense. A handbook might be a very useful thing, but it should not be in the tabularium and I am not certain it should be on the website at all.

:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 21:00, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

::It is an interesting point. In the extreme there is of course the "search" function. It is in fact quite efficient and very much under-used. In any event you articulate well why this discussion is needed. You also point to the very thing that was on my mind when I suggested those magisterial domain templates last year. There is very little here that is canon. If we mark that explicitly, would you be more comfortable with everything else being "non-canon" by implication? Or does the fact that it occupies the NR server taint it all? I could easily be convinced of that as it is consistent with post-modern understanding of power in the classroom, for example. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 05:18, 1 September 2007 (CEST)

:::After some pondering, I think no real harm is done by having legal commentary on the server as long as all editors are free to contribute such commentary and none is marked or formatted in any way which would imply that it is more official or authoritative than any other. Also it may be a good idea to require any substantive assertion to be attributed to a named person. It's hard to think how commentary would be best presented - I suspect it's something we'll have to experiment with. But removing it from the tabularium would be a good start, especially while the tabularium continues to be headed with a big banner saying that it is under the authority of the ''praetores''.
:::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 17:51, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

: I agree with Cordus. CJNR and handbook are (finally) only tools. Well, maybe necessary tools, but not in this moment.
:- [[User:Titus Iulius Sabinus|Sabinus]] 21:58, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

==Subcategories==

For discussion:
#Subcategories should cover all topics in the tabularium.
#Every item should be in at least one subcat.
#Any item may be in more than one subcat, as appropriate.
#The main tabularium cat (in addition to the top matter) should contain '''only''' subcats, with very few or no exceptions (e.g., ''maybe'' the constitution that is in force at present).
[[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 07:27, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

Addendum: One giant category full of everything isn't very useful, it seems to me, but if the community thinks it is, then so be it. My preference would be a cleaner organization and then use index pages for comprehensive listings. If we go for the one giant cat, then we have to discuss indexing (see message from Q·CAEC·MET·POST below). Anyone who is ''really'' interested in categories in MediaWiki can read the almost excessively comprehensive [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category online documentation] at meta-mediawiki. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

:Those all sound like sensible principles to me.

:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 13:37, 26 August 2007 (CEST)

::I now have a single template to replace the seven or so now in use. It will handle all the category assignments automatically. This will be a big time savings in addition to ensuring that the status that is displayed always matches the category assignment. Since I'll probably write a bot to handle this conversion, we can postpone the cat discussion for the time being. (Because once a single template handles all the cats, we will be able to do all the cat assignments for all articles at once, with a single edit.) Let's take a look at the presentation and cats used before too long, maybe in the next couple of weeks, if possible. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

:::I'll be away over the weekend, but I'll play with the new template jobbies when I get back.
:::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 23:45, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

==Cat Head Text==

The head text on this cat page talks a lot about what we plan and so forth. This sort of thing belongs on this talk page, not cluttering up the main article. Let's strive to be clear, simple and concise. Barring negative comments I will soon have at that material and move a lot of it here. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 09:41, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

:Agreed, though some brief explanation of the nature of the category could usefully remain.

:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 13:37, 26 August 2007 (CEST)

::What I would really like to see first is to move any talk about the historical building in Rome to its own article, leaving a link behind. This is especially important because, as the present text states, the functions of the two tabularia are not the same. This also satisfies our principle that articles about NR and RA should have good separation. We have already have a cat for [[:Category:Archaeological sites in Rome]], in which the article should be put, and I have a number of pictures of the [[tabularium]] itself, both from the forum and also inside the passage. I'll upload the photos as soon as I see the article appear. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

== Inclusion of the ''Commentarii Pontificum'' ==

I realise that this was likely by my own doing, but should we include the Commentarii Pontificum (i.e., responsa) in the Tabularium? Since they do have no legal bearing, it seems to me that they might be better placed with items on the cultus Deorum. Thoughts, anyone? [[User:Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus|Metellus]] 03:10, 13 November 2006 (CET)

::Let's not view this as "the laws", let's say this is where we put official documents that should be protected from edits. Does that solve the problem? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 07:27, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

== Categorisation of Leges ==

In looking at the list on this category page, I think that for the sake of ease, it might be more user-friendly to categorise the leges either A) by name (e.g. lex '''Vedia''' in the 'V' part of the alphabetical list; or B) by the topic as given in the name (e.g. a ''Lex Vedia Provincialis'' would be found in the 'P' section). Any thoughts on this? [[User:Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus|Q·CAEC·MET·POST]] 03:45, 12 February 2007 (CET)

If I may be allowed to speak on this--I agree with Metellus. The eye (and mind) doth glaze over when reading so many items starting with the same word. As is, there are numerous laws with the same proposer (Vedius was quite prolific), and some with the exact same name originally, which is why I had to add Latin words to separate these (I believe you term it 'disambiguation').

Hope this format is acceptable; I have done corrections, but not added posts. ATS

:The upgrade in functionality to enable sorting on the '''V''' of '''Vedia''' is code complete and is being checked. This function should be ready to install soon. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 09:49, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

== Attention please, all interested parties ==

I know we have all temporarily stopped working on the contents of the ''tabularium'' during discussions. However, it seems to me extremely important that citizens should continue to have access to information about legislative and pseudo-legislative processes going on '''at the moment'''. These are matters about which citizens should be informed so that they can consider, discuss, and act upon them.

For this reason, I have added the recently published ''relationes in senatu'' to the tabularium. I also propose to add any ''senatus consulta'' created by the current meeting of the senate, any ''edicta'' issued by magistrates from now on, any ''responsa'' issued by the priestly colleges, any ''rogationes'' put before the people, and so on. In this way our ongoing discussions will not prevent the people from being well-informed about the creation of new law which may affect their lives.

We may, of course, need to alter the organization, format, and presentation of these new items as a result of our discussions. For this reason, I am for now adding them with minimal formatting and minimal categorization. But I think the most important thing is to make the information available in some form.

- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 17:11, 5 September 2007 (CEST)

:Even while you are supposedly busy discussing matters, it would be useful to remove the errors from the main tabularium page. "Index legium' should be "index legum," and fresh law students (I know they *can* be fresh) should be "first year law students." Leaving these in place makes us a laughingstock. So, too, do laws without texts, and uncorrected titles in mutilated Latin.

:Secondly, this discussion process seems to be taking far too long with little progress, and is starting to look more like a deliberate impediment to me and my cohors than the result of genuine concerns on your part(s). There are law texts and translations to be uploaded, as well as other things to do, but it seems that not much has been decided on working rules and the like. Are you really working on this, or merely waiting for the end of the year, when some disengaged praetor will take over and let the wiki magistri do their thing without any oversight? Too many magistrates (and others) here are content to earn the prize, but not do the work; fewer still are the praetores who pay any attention to the Tabularium. That, however, seems to be the preference of some. Guys, let's get this show on the road. The laws at least should be simple enough to manage; the SCs may indeed require more categories (and here I seem to agree with Cordus, as on his point about making things available in the mean time), but please, the time is getting short, and in the end you will be better off if we can get this done while someone in authority cares about the results. -- '''A. Tullia Scholastica, 16:11, 22 September 2007 (EDT)'''

::''[Marius, fresh outta the hospital:]''

::OK, here is my (very green, very newbie, not even a citizen, wary of half the people here and trying not to tick off the other half) understanding of the policy on Tabularium edits. I submit it in the hope that anybody at all can gain an understanding of what this whole subject must look like to a non-Praetor, let alone an editor of any other sort:

::*Texts of laws may not be edited. (I should hope not.)

::*If you find a ''very'' minor error (spelling, let's say) in the text of a law, that does not change its meaning, it's OK to nail it...I ''think''. Latin corrections ''may'' fall under this provision. Other'n that, see rule #1.

::*That intimidating page-lock banner (works great on me) is there for a reason. I suspect it has something to do with rule #1 or rule #2.

::*Anything else on a Wiki page--'''any''' Wiki page--that is not the actual text of a law may be edited unto perdition. Yes, even by non-disengaged magistrates. Click the '''Edit''' tab at the top of the faulty page and have at it. Same way I've just now indented both our comments and bolded your .sig. "Fresh students" needs to be "first-year students"? --''Fix it''. Latin all balled up? Don't bite the techies--''fix it.'' There's no way to be sure that someone else is going to trip over the same mistake you saw unless you either tell somebody...or fix it yourself upon discovery, if you can and it only involves the one page. (Otherwise, ask any unbitten techies.)

::This thing is huge. Nova Roma has existed for nine years and has got more laws to show for it than anything else. The Tabularium is not going to be finished this year. It ''might'' be finished sometime this half-decade if done as carefully as it needs to be, and if we don't have to nurse the cauterised stumps of our tails in the meantime. The last person I saw correct a Tabularium page got very publicly spanked on the Wiki list. That's not the good way to attract editors. Under the circumstance, you will see why I myself am not touching this thing with a 53-foot pole. Perhaps I could serve as an experimental "non-expert user" for the section, once the narcotic painkillers wear off and my eyes are no longer glazed over. But "friendly fire" like some of the above could explain why the work is going slowly and you're not up to your ears in volunteers. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus|Marius Peregrinus]] 02:13, 23 September 2007 (CEST)

:::A. Tullia, this process of discussion which you find excessively slow (and I can't say I entirely disagree) is one in which I am participating out of consideration for you and your assistants. I don't need to. I have a mandate from your colleague to do whatever I think best to the ''tabularium'' and I have a completely independent mandate from the ''magister aranearius'' to do whatever I think best throughout the whole of the website. So I can get working right now. Similarly, there is nothing I can do to stop your assistants getting to work right now, and if you want to instruct them to abandon the discussion and get on with whatever it was they were doing before, you can do that. Suits me either way.
:::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 13:30, 23 September 2007 (CEST)

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Re the corrections to the main Tabularium page, I was blocked from any editing on that page. I still cannot correct typos, etc., in the list of leges, so perhaps one of the wiki magistri could assist. The title Lex Apula de magistratu eiuranda has a typo at the end of the last word which creates an error of Latin grammar: it should be eiurando, not eiuranda. There is a bigger error in another law title, the Lex Vedia de ...edictium, which should be, as written just below, edictorum. Ain't no sech Latin beast as edictium, or eligium, neither. If these are different laws, they should be disambiguated with the word altera, as I did earlier; if they are not, the incorrect one should be deleted.

Yes, we have lots of laws. As time passed, and we grew, we had to change some of the rules, for the things that worked when we were small and Latin-less no longer worked when we were much bigger and had at least a couple dozen people who can not only read Latin, they can write it, and some can speak it. Magisterial titles were changed, duties were changed, methods of vote-counting were changed, etc., etc. Yes, it's a lot of verbiage (I know; I proofread every law, not once, but TWICE, for two different magistri araneari), but that's what happens when you have a Roman government which, like the original, is indisposed to throwing things out--and in this law library, things should never be thrown out. Some were, however, and part of my job is to discover what the deleted laws were, where they belonged sequentially, and get them back into the Tabularium where they belong. Another part is getting our laws translated into the major languages so non-English speaking citizens can see what they have signed up for. If my cohors is blocked from uploading new laws or translations of laws or recovered laws pending reorganization or whatever, we are hurting all of the citizens. That is to no one's advantage, though some seem to think that it is.

[[User:Aula Tullia Scholastica|Aula Tullia Scholastica]]

Category talk:Tabularium (Nova Roma)

2007-09-22T20:24:48Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: /* Attention please, all interested parties */

==General working methods==

For everyone information, a specific ''''Tabularium project' group''' (Yahoo! list) has been created on 31 August 2007 to allow Praetor G. Equitius Cato's '''scribes''' (A. Apollonius Cordus and M. Lucretius Agricola) to join Pr. A. Tullia Scholastica's ones (T. Iulius Sabinus and P. Memmius Albucius), still working on the issue. The interest of this '''praetorian group''' is to join wiki skilled citizens and law ones.
Every issue presented below is naturally to be examined by this group and solved, taking in consideration the specific questions asked by the Tabularium and its relation to NR web site current technical parameters. This Tabularium project group's work is to be validated regularly by both praetors, who will communicate and/or report as they will see fit to the other concerned magistrates and assemblies of Nova Roma.
Have yet subscribed into this group : A. Apollonius Cordus (31 Aug.), T. Iulius Sabinus (1 Sept.), P. Memmius Albucius (31 Aug.). [[User:P. Memmius Albucius|Albucius]] 10:15, 03 Sept. 2007 (Rome time).

==Visual Presentation==

'''All editors please read this.'''

I see this section of our site is getting a lot of non-standard presentation elements. This practice must stop. I mean things like HTML "break" elements, using LI elements to provide indent and other things as well. If there is a display problem, we can deal with that using our stylesheets and classes. Adding presentation elements to articles is a horrible practice that makes upkeep far more difficult. In short, resist the temptation to "prettify" individual articles. It is 2007 after all, not 1985. We have tools to deal with presentation that work site-wide. Anything else will just make breakage of future skins likely. Really seriously, folks, this is a system-wide issue. Anyone with a working knowledge of XHTML (who can code to validation to the "strict" DTD) and CSS (level 1), and ideally experience with MediaWiki skins is welcome to contact me and I will give you a lot of work. '''Any specific presentation issues should be brought to my attention and I will try to get something worked out systematically.''' Well, actually, I '''will''' get something worked out. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

==CJNR==

Too bad that all the work that went into the [[CJNR]] is being ignored. I suspect that since the CJNR was an early addition, later editors did not become aware of it. '''For this reason I am placing this page on protection, in the hope that we can have a real plan in place''' before any more energy is spent on duplications. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 07:17, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

I would like to see a discussion regarding the "Novaroman Law Handbook", specifically stating why the existing [[CJNR]] cannot form the basis for this. Considerable time has been spent on the CJNR and I would dislike to see that wasted. On the other hand, if there is a fundamental flaw in the CJNR that makes it unusable, I would be willing to delete it, rather than seeing it hang on incomplete. Either way is fine, but let there please be a thoughtful reason. I urge in the strongest terms that we recruit someone from outside legal circles to look at what we have already (CJNR). If we want to write "in terms understandable by every citizen and reader", then it is best practice to get input from one or two non-specialists, at least. If we do that now we could avert the need for future potential revisions. I am not particularly happy with the CJNR title, by the way, so a move to something reasonable, ''and linkable'' would find support from me. In short, please look seriously at CJNR and explain either how it can be improved, modified, transformed or otherwise used, or why it must be abandoned. '''This commentary is not legal text itself. It is a community resource, so let's get the community in on the ground floor and build to last.''' [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

:For what it's worth, I do not like the CJNR and I do not find it helpful. But even if it is helpful to others, I do not think it ought to be included as part of the tabularium. The tabularium is a repository for legal texts. Tools which help people understand and circumnavigate those texts are jolly good, but it is not the place of the official organs of government to endorse any particular tool as any kind of official or definitive guide. Different people will have different interpretations of legal documents, and it would be iniquitous to present one interpretation as more valid than another by including it as part of the tabularium. It may be thought that the CJNR does not engage in interpretation, but I say that even classifying documents by topic is a form of interpretation: it involves decisions about what is the main or essential topic of a given text, and that is a decision about the true meaning, i.e. the interpretation, of the text.

:For the same reason, I am extremely troubled by the suggestion of creating any sort of official handbook of modern Roman law. It would, in effect, put the resources of the state behind a particular interpretation of the law regardless of whether that interpretation had the sanction of consensus, magisterial authority, decisions of a court of law, or indeed common sense. A handbook might be a very useful thing, but it should not be in the tabularium and I am not certain it should be on the website at all.

:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 21:00, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

::It is an interesting point. In the extreme there is of course the "search" function. It is in fact quite efficient and very much under-used. In any event you articulate well why this discussion is needed. You also point to the very thing that was on my mind when I suggested those magisterial domain templates last year. There is very little here that is canon. If we mark that explicitly, would you be more comfortable with everything else being "non-canon" by implication? Or does the fact that it occupies the NR server taint it all? I could easily be convinced of that as it is consistent with post-modern understanding of power in the classroom, for example. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 05:18, 1 September 2007 (CEST)

:::After some pondering, I think no real harm is done by having legal commentary on the server as long as all editors are free to contribute such commentary and none is marked or formatted in any way which would imply that it is more official or authoritative than any other. Also it may be a good idea to require any substantive assertion to be attributed to a named person. It's hard to think how commentary would be best presented - I suspect it's something we'll have to experiment with. But removing it from the tabularium would be a good start, especially while the tabularium continues to be headed with a big banner saying that it is under the authority of the ''praetores''.
:::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 17:51, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

: I agree with Cordus. CJNR and handbook are (finally) only tools. Well, maybe necessary tools, but not in this moment.
:- [[User:Titus Iulius Sabinus|Sabinus]] 21:58, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

==Subcategories==

For discussion:
#Subcategories should cover all topics in the tabularium.
#Every item should be in at least one subcat.
#Any item may be in more than one subcat, as appropriate.
#The main tabularium cat (in addition to the top matter) should contain '''only''' subcats, with very few or no exceptions (e.g., ''maybe'' the constitution that is in force at present).
[[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 07:27, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

Addendum: One giant category full of everything isn't very useful, it seems to me, but if the community thinks it is, then so be it. My preference would be a cleaner organization and then use index pages for comprehensive listings. If we go for the one giant cat, then we have to discuss indexing (see message from Q·CAEC·MET·POST below). Anyone who is ''really'' interested in categories in MediaWiki can read the almost excessively comprehensive [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category online documentation] at meta-mediawiki. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

:Those all sound like sensible principles to me.

:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 13:37, 26 August 2007 (CEST)

::I now have a single template to replace the seven or so now in use. It will handle all the category assignments automatically. This will be a big time savings in addition to ensuring that the status that is displayed always matches the category assignment. Since I'll probably write a bot to handle this conversion, we can postpone the cat discussion for the time being. (Because once a single template handles all the cats, we will be able to do all the cat assignments for all articles at once, with a single edit.) Let's take a look at the presentation and cats used before too long, maybe in the next couple of weeks, if possible. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

:::I'll be away over the weekend, but I'll play with the new template jobbies when I get back.
:::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 23:45, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

==Cat Head Text==

The head text on this cat page talks a lot about what we plan and so forth. This sort of thing belongs on this talk page, not cluttering up the main article. Let's strive to be clear, simple and concise. Barring negative comments I will soon have at that material and move a lot of it here. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 09:41, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

:Agreed, though some brief explanation of the nature of the category could usefully remain.

:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 13:37, 26 August 2007 (CEST)

::What I would really like to see first is to move any talk about the historical building in Rome to its own article, leaving a link behind. This is especially important because, as the present text states, the functions of the two tabularia are not the same. This also satisfies our principle that articles about NR and RA should have good separation. We have already have a cat for [[:Category:Archaeological sites in Rome]], in which the article should be put, and I have a number of pictures of the [[tabularium]] itself, both from the forum and also inside the passage. I'll upload the photos as soon as I see the article appear. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

== Inclusion of the ''Commentarii Pontificum'' ==

I realise that this was likely by my own doing, but should we include the Commentarii Pontificum (i.e., responsa) in the Tabularium? Since they do have no legal bearing, it seems to me that they might be better placed with items on the cultus Deorum. Thoughts, anyone? [[User:Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus|Metellus]] 03:10, 13 November 2006 (CET)

::Let's not view this as "the laws", let's say this is where we put official documents that should be protected from edits. Does that solve the problem? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 07:27, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

== Categorisation of Leges ==

In looking at the list on this category page, I think that for the sake of ease, it might be more user-friendly to categorise the leges either A) by name (e.g. lex '''Vedia''' in the 'V' part of the alphabetical list; or B) by the topic as given in the name (e.g. a ''Lex Vedia Provincialis'' would be found in the 'P' section). Any thoughts on this? [[User:Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus|Q·CAEC·MET·POST]] 03:45, 12 February 2007 (CET)

If I may be allowed to speak on this--I agree with Metellus. The eye (and mind) doth glaze over when reading so many items starting with the same word. As is, there are numerous laws with the same proposer (Vedius was quite prolific), and some with the exact same name originally, which is why I had to add Latin words to separate these (I believe you term it 'disambiguation').

Hope this format is acceptable; I have done corrections, but not added posts. ATS

:The upgrade in functionality to enable sorting on the '''V''' of '''Vedia''' is code complete and is being checked. This function should be ready to install soon. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 09:49, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

== Attention please, all interested parties ==

I know we have all temporarily stopped working on the contents of the ''tabularium'' during discussions. However, it seems to me extremely important that citizens should continue to have access to information about legislative and pseudo-legislative processes going on '''at the moment'''. These are matters about which citizens should be informed so that they can consider, discuss, and act upon them.

For this reason, I have added the recently published ''relationes in senatu'' to the tabularium. I also propose to add any ''senatus consulta'' created by the current meeting of the senate, any ''edicta'' issued by magistrates from now on, any ''responsa'' issued by the priestly colleges, any ''rogationes'' put before the people, and so on. In this way our ongoing discussions will not prevent the people from being well-informed about the creation of new law which may affect their lives.

We may, of course, need to alter the organization, format, and presentation of these new items as a result of our discussions. For this reason, I am for now adding them with minimal formatting and minimal categorization. But I think the most important thing is to make the information available in some form.

- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 17:11, 5 September 2007 (CEST)

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Even while you are supposedly busy discussing matters, it would be useful to remove the errors from the main tabularium page. "Index legium' should be "index legum," and fresh law students (I know they *can* be fresh) should be "first year law students." Leaving these in place makes us a laughingstock. So, too, do laws without texts, and uncorrected titles in mutilated Latin.

Secondly, this discussion process seems to be taking far too long with little progress, and is starting to look more like a deliberate impediment to me and my cohors than the result of genuine concerns on your part(s). There are law texts and translations to be uploaded, as well as other things to do, but it seems that not much has been decided on working rules and the like. Are you really working on this, or merely waiting for the end of the year, when some disengaged praetor will take over and let the wiki magistri do their thing without any oversight? Too many magistrates (and others) here are content to earn the prize, but not do the work; fewer still are the praetores who pay any attention to the Tabularium. That, however, seems to be the preference of some. Guys, let's get this show on the road. The laws at least should be simple enough to manage; the SCs may indeed require more categories (and here I seem to agree with Cordus, as on his point about making things available in the mean time), but please, the time is getting short, and in the end you will be better off if we can get this done while someone in authority cares about the results.

--A. Tullia Scholastica, 16:11, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

Category talk:Tabularium (Nova Roma)

2007-09-02T05:18:41Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: /* Categorisation of Leges */

==Visual Presentation==

'''All editors please read this.'''

I see this section of our site is getting a lot of non-standard presentation elements. This practice must stop. I mean things like HTML "break" elements, using LI elements to provide indent and other things as well. If there is a display problem, we can deal with that using our stylesheets and classes. Adding presentation elements to articles is a horrible practice that makes upkeep far more difficult. In short, resist the temptation to "prettify" individual articles. It is 2007 after all, not 1985. We have tools to deal with presentation that work site-wide. Anything else will just make breakage of future skins likely. Really seriously, folks, this is a system-wide issue. Anyone with a working knowledge of XHTML (who can code to validation to the "strict" DTD) and CSS (level 1), and ideally experience with MediaWiki skins is welcome to contact me and I will give you a lot of work. '''Any specific presentation issues should be brought to my attention and I will try to get something worked out systematically.''' Well, actually, I '''will''' get something worked out. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

==CJNR==

Too bad that all the work that went into the [[CJNR]] is being ignored. I suspect that since the CJNR was an early addition, later editors did not become aware of it. '''For this reason I am placing this page on protection, in the hope that we can have a real plan in place''' before any more energy is spent on duplications. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 07:17, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

I would like to see a discussion regarding the "Novaroman Law Handbook", specifically stating why the existing [[CJNR]] cannot form the basis for this. Considerable time has been spent on the CJNR and I would dislike to see that wasted. On the other hand, if there is a fundamental flaw in the CJNR that makes it unusable, I would be willing to delete it, rather than seeing it hang on incomplete. Either way is fine, but let there please be a thoughtful reason. I urge in the strongest terms that we recruit someone from outside legal circles to look at what we have already (CJNR). If we want to write "in terms understandable by every citizen and reader", then it is best practice to get input from one or two non-specialists, at least. If we do that now we could avert the need for future potential revisions. I am not particularly happy with the CJNR title, by the way, so a move to something reasonable, ''and linkable'' would find support from me. In short, please look seriously at CJNR and explain either how it can be improved, modified, transformed or otherwise used, or why it must be abandoned. '''This commentary is not legal text itself. It is a community resource, so let's get the community in on the ground floor and build to last.''' [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

:For what it's worth, I do not like the CJNR and I do not find it helpful. But even if it is helpful to others, I do not think it ought to be included as part of the tabularium. The tabularium is a repository for legal texts. Tools which help people understand and circumnavigate those texts are jolly good, but it is not the place of the official organs of government to endorse any particular tool as any kind of official or definitive guide. Different people will have different interpretations of legal documents, and it would be iniquitous to present one interpretation as more valid than another by including it as part of the tabularium. It may be thought that the CJNR does not engage in interpretation, but I say that even classifying documents by topic is a form of interpretation: it involves decisions about what is the main or essential topic of a given text, and that is a decision about the true meaning, i.e. the interpretation, of the text.

:For the same reason, I am extremely troubled by the suggestion of creating any sort of official handbook of modern Roman law. It would, in effect, put the resources of the state behind a particular interpretation of the law regardless of whether that interpretation had the sanction of consensus, magisterial authority, decisions of a court of law, or indeed common sense. A handbook might be a very useful thing, but it should not be in the tabularium and I am not certain it should be on the website at all.

:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 21:00, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

::It is an interesting point. In the extreme there is of course the "search" function. It is in fact quite efficient and very much under-used. In any event you articulate well why this discussion is needed. You also point to the very thing that was on my mind when I suggested those magisterial domain templates last year. There is very little here that is canon. If we mark that explicitly, would you be more comfortable with everything else being "non-canon" by implication? Or does the fact that it occupies the NR server taint it all? I could easily be convinced of that as it is consistent with post-modern understanding of power in the classroom, for example. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 05:18, 1 September 2007 (CEST)

==Subcategories==

For discussion:
#Subcategories should cover all topics in the tabularium.
#Every item should be in at least one subcat.
#Any item may be in more than one subcat, as appropriate.
#The main tabularium cat (in addition to the top matter) should contain '''only''' subcats, with very few or no exceptions (e.g., ''maybe'' the constitution that is in force at present).
[[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 07:27, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

Addendum: One giant category full of everything isn't very useful, it seems to me, but if the community thinks it is, then so be it. My preference would be a cleaner organization and then use index pages for comprehensive listings. If we go for the one giant cat, then we have to discuss indexing (see message from Q·CAEC·MET·POST below). Anyone who is ''really'' interested in categories in MediaWiki can read the almost excessively comprehensive [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category online documentation] at meta-mediawiki. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

:Those all sound like sensible principles to me.

:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 13:37, 26 August 2007 (CEST)

::I now have a single template to replace the seven or so now in use. It will handle all the category assignments automatically. This will be a big time savings in addition to ensuring that the status that is displayed always matches the category assignment. Since I'll probably write a bot to handle this conversion, we can postpone the cat discussion for the time being. (Because once a single template handles all the cats, we will be able to do all the cat assignments for all articles at once, with a single edit.) Let's take a look at the presentation and cats used before too long, maybe in the next couple of weeks, if possible. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

:::I'll be away over the weekend, but I'll play with the new template jobbies when I get back.
:::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 23:45, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

==Cat Head Text==

The head text on this cat page talks a lot about what we plan and so forth. This sort of thing belongs on this talk page, not cluttering up the main article. Let's strive to be clear, simple and concise. Barring negative comments I will soon have at that material and move a lot of it here. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 09:41, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

:Agreed, though some brief explanation of the nature of the category could usefully remain.

:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus|Cordus]] 13:37, 26 August 2007 (CEST)

::What I would really like to see first is to move any talk about the historical building in Rome to its own article, leaving a link behind. This is especially important because, as the present text states, the functions of the two tabularia are not the same. This also satisfies our principle that articles about NR and RA should have good separation. We have already have a cat for [[:Category:Archaeological sites in Rome]], in which the article should be put, and I have a number of pictures of the [[tabularium]] itself, both from the forum and also inside the passage. I'll upload the photos as soon as I see the article appear. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 17:20, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

== Inclusion of the ''Commentarii Pontificum'' ==

I realise that this was likely by my own doing, but should we include the Commentarii Pontificum (i.e., responsa) in the Tabularium? Since they do have no legal bearing, it seems to me that they might be better placed with items on the cultus Deorum. Thoughts, anyone? [[User:Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus|Metellus]] 03:10, 13 November 2006 (CET)

::Let's not view this as "the laws", let's say this is where we put official documents that should be protected from edits. Does that solve the problem? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 07:27, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

== Categorisation of Leges ==

In looking at the list on this category page, I think that for the sake of ease, it might be more user-friendly to categorise the leges either A) by name (e.g. lex '''Vedia''' in the 'V' part of the alphabetical list; or B) by the topic as given in the name (e.g. a ''Lex Vedia Provincialis'' would be found in the 'P' section). Any thoughts on this? [[User:Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus|Q·CAEC·MET·POST]] 03:45, 12 February 2007 (CET)

If I may be allowed to speak on this--I agree with Metellus. The eye (and mind) doth glaze over when reading so many items starting with the same word. As is, there are numerous laws with the same proposer (Vedius was quite prolific), and some with the exact same name originally, which is why I had to add Latin words to separate these (I believe you term it 'disambiguation').

Hope this format is acceptable; I have done corrections, but not added posts. ATS

Acerra

2006-12-07T22:53:33Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: spelling corrected; article title must also be corrected (acerra instead of accera)

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The '''acerra''', "A-KER-rah" is a special container for sacred [[incense]]. As with the [[turibulum]], in the ancient Roman world the acerra could be made from a variety of materials and designs.

An ''acerra'' for your home altar should be some sort of covered container that will keep your incense "fresh." Resins such as frankincense can sometimes absorb too much moisture, or even lose some of their scent if left uncovered for weeks at a time. A pottery container with a lid, or a decorated metal or wood box can make a fine ''acerra''.

[[Category:Religio Romana]]
[[Category:Ritus]]

Acerra

2006-12-07T22:50:12Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: spelling corrected; article title must also be corrected (acerra instead of accera)

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The '''acerra''', "A-KER-ah" is a special container for sacred [[incense]]. As with the [[turibulum]], in the ancient Roman world the acerra could be made from a variety of materials and designs.

An ''acerra'' for your home altar should be some sort of covered container that will keep your incense "fresh." Resins such as frankincense can sometimes absorb too much moisture, or even lose some of their scent if left uncovered for weeks at a time. A pottery container with a lid, or a decorated metal or wood box can make a fine ''acerra''.

[[Category:Religio Romana]]
[[Category:Ritus]]

Addressing magistrates

2006-11-29T05:29:08Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: Corrected spelling of praetor; added feminine forms of magistrates' titles and names of some offices.

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[[Category:Latin]]
[[Category:Nova Roma]]

== '''Addressing magistrates''', a Latin quick guide ==

''Article under construction''

So, citizen, you go to NR and think about making your triumphal request "''Oh, Consul''"... however, you are in a Roman group, of highly trained people. So, comes the doubt, after the ''salve'', what do you use?

Well, you must use the ''Vocative'' case, in Latin, the case used to call people. Usually, the words we know are in the ''Nominative'' case.

Another case you must have always in mind is the ''genitive'' case, i.e., ´of something´. For example, the ''house of the consul'' is ''domus consulis''. Domus is in the nominative, but consul is in the genitive.

Below you can find the magistracies in nominatives and genitives. Most of the words for magistracies, however, have the same vocative and nominative as well.

The tables are organized as nominative, genitive. Since some of the offices are from the 4th declension, and others are from the first declension, it will be easy to have them by memory soon after some time in NR.

(SG) Consul, Consulis ''Consul, of the consul''
(PL) Consules, Consulum ''Consuls, of the consuls''
''Vocative is the same as nominative''

(SG) Censor, Censoris
(PL) Censores, Censorum
''Vocative is the same as nominative''

(SG) Praetor, Praetoris (male)
(SG) Praetrix, praetricis (female)
(PL) Praetores, Praetorum (male)
(PL) Praetrices, praetricum (female)

''Vocative is the same as nominative''

(SG) Quaestor, Quaestoris (male)
(SG) Quaestrix, quaestricis (female)
(PL) Quaestores, Quaestorum
(PL) Quaestrices, quaestricum (female)

''Vocative is the same as nominative''

== MAGISTRATES AND MAGISTRACIES ==

Another very frequent doubt is the difference in Latin between the magistrate and magistracy. We know we have the consul, and the consul holds the consulship, the praetor the praetorship, the tribune the tribunate. But for the Latin, see below:
* Consul, ''Consulatus''
* Censor, ''Censura''
* Praetor, ''Praetura''
* Aedilis, "Aedilitas"
* Quaestor, ''Quaestura''
* Tribunus, "Tribunatus"

Those ending in -ura are in the first declension, those ending in -us are in the fourth declension, and aedilitas is in the third declension (aedilitas, aedilitatis, f.).

Thanks to [[Aula Tullia Scholastica (Nova Roma)|Aula Tullia Scholastica]] for providing the insights on Latin.

--[[User:Lucius Arminius Faustus|Lucius Arminius Faustus]] 01:08, 26 November 2006 (CET)

Election 2006:Constitutional Amendments (Nova Roma)

2006-11-29T05:15:30Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: corrected spelling of plebian to plebeian

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|__TOC__
|align="right"|
{{LegesStatusPending}}
{{LexVoting
| from=30 November 2006, 21:00 Roman Time
| to=05 December 2006, 21:00 Roman Time
| com=Comitia Centuriata
}}
|}

<div class="scriptum">

== Amendment I ==

Section II "Citizens and Gentes"

Clause 3 concerning the rights of citizens reads:

"The right to vote in elections as members of their various comitia on matters brought
before the People in such manner as described in the Constitution...

PROPOSED CHANGE:

The rights of the Iura Publica:

i. The right to vote in elections as members of their various comitia
on matters brought before the People in such manner as described
in this constitution and pursuant laws.

ii. The right to candidate for public office where eligible, as
determined by this constitution and pursuant laws.

== Amendment II ==

II "Citizens and Gentes" Section B

Clause 5 concerning the right of Provocatio currently reads

"The right of provocatio: to appeal the decision of a magistrate that
has a direct negative impact on that citizen to the Comitia Populi
Tributa".

PROPOSED CHANGE:

The right of Provocatio ad populum: to appeal a loss of citizenship
(exactio) to the Comitia Centuriata.

(And in a separate clause)...The right of Appellatio:

i) to appeal a magisterial decision which has a direct negative impact
on that citizen to the Comitia Populi Tributa, such appeal may not
be denied by the magistrate against whom the appeal is made.

ii) to appeal a court decision (sententia) not involving loss of
citizenship to the Comitia Populi Tributa, or optionally in
the case of a citizen of the Plebeian Order, to the Comitia
Plebis Tributa.

== Amendment III ==

II Section B 'Comitia Centuriata'

From 3 (concerning the Comitia Centuriata) the Constitution currently
reads:

"to try legal cases in which the defendant is subject to
permanent removal of citizenship"

PROPOSED CHANGE:

"to render verdicts in appeals of Provocatio ad populum in which the
defendant (reus) is subject to loss of citizenship."

 
*ALSO PROPOSED are corresponding changes to the pertinent language
regarding the remaining two comitia, to wit:

 

Clause 3 concerning Comitia Plebis Tributa currently reads:
"To try legal cases solely involving members of the Plebeian Order that
do not involve permanent removal of citizenship"...

PROPOSED CHANGE:

"To render verdicts in appeals of court rulings (sententia) by members
of the Plebeian Order which do not involve removal of citizenship."

 
Clause 3 concerning Comitia Populi Tributa reads:
"To try legal cases that do not involve permanent removal of citizenship"

PROPOSED CHANGE:

"To render verdicts in appeals which do not involve removal of
citizenship."

 
Discussion: The changes of Amendment III above reflect a more
historical role of comitia in the judicial process and correspond
more accurately with the language of our NR judicial system as
detailed in the leges Saliciae Iudiciaria et Poenalis, links here:

[http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-11-24-iii.html 2002-11-24-iii]
and
[http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2003-10-08-ii.html 2003-10-08-ii]

Citizens of Nova Roma are tried by the Leges Salicia procedures and
the Iudices (judges) render a decison....Appeals of the decisions
arising from these proceedings, if any, are decided by the appropriate
comitia as revised above. We do not have a separate 'trial' system
within each comitia as the current constitutional language implies.

== Amendment IV ==

IV Magistrates 1. 'Censor'

1. f. 1. reads

"A nota against an ordinary individual is sufficient to deprive that
individual of the right to vote until such time as it is removed "

PROPOSED CHANGE:

"A nota against a citizen is sufficient to deprive him of the Iura
Publica until such time as the nota is removed".

(remainder of constitutional language of 1.f.1. to remain unchanged)

</div>

[[Category:Tabularium (Nova Roma)]]
[[Category:Leges (Nova Roma)]]
[[Category:Election 2006 (Nova Roma)]]

Roman calendar

2006-03-19T21:56:19Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: /* Dies quando rex comitiavit fas [QRCF] */

The calendar used by Romans. Years are counted ''ab urbe condita (AUC)'', that is "from the founding of the city".

==Special days in the calendar==

These are the rules which are pronounced by the pontifices, and breaking them is nefas (though it can sometimes be expiated).

===Dies fasti [F]===
*ordinary citizens may do anything;
*magistrates may do anything except hold a meeting of the comitia tributa, concilium plebis, or comitia centuriata.

===Dies comitiales [C]===
*ordinary citizens may do anything;
*magistrates may do anything except exercise certain specific judicial functions.

===Dies nefasti [N]===
*ordinary citizens may do anything;
*magistrates may do anything except hold a meeting of the comitia tributa, concilium plebis, or comitia centuriata, or exercise certain specific judicial functions.

===Dies nefasti publici [NP]===
*ordinary citizens may not commit acts of physical violence, or begin lawsuits, and should try to avoid quarrels (but robust and lively debate was acceptable);
*slaves are allowed the day off work;
*magistrates may do anything except hold a meeting of the comitia tributa, concilium plebis, or comitia centuriata, or exercise certain specific judicial functions;
*ordinary citizens may not do any physical labour except what is urgently necessary and can't be postponed;
*the flamines and the rex sacrorum may not see anyone doing any physical labour, and may fine anyone they see doing physical labour.

===Dies endotercisi [EN]===
*same as dies nefasti in the morning;
*same as dies fasti in the afternoon;
*same as dies nefasti in the evening.

===Dies quando rex comitiavit fas [QRCF]===
*same as dies nefasti until the rex sacrorum appears in the comitia;
*same as dies fasti after that.

===Dies quando stercus delatum fas [QSDF]===
*same as dies nefasti until the temple of Vesta has been cleaned;
*same as dies fasti after that.

===Dies atri and dies religiosi===
Dies atri and dies religiosi are less formal but widely observed.

'''Dies atri:''' unlucky days;
*no religious rites may be performed, either public or private;
*try to avoid making journeys, starting new projects, or doing anything risky;
*certain gods, including Iuppiter and Ianus, may not be named.

'''Dies religiosi:''' *like dies atri, but less bad:
*no private religious rites may be performed, but public rites may;
*try to avoid making journeys, starting new projects, or doing anything risky.

==Nundinae and nundinal letters==

''Nundinae'' were originally market-days, held every eighth day, on which Romans came into the city to trade and do business. On Roman calendars the days were given nundinal letters (A to H) to help people see when the next market-day would be. The markets were held on a different day each year.

Roman calendar

2006-03-19T21:32:55Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: /* Dies nefasti pvblici [NP] */

The calendar used by Romans. Years are counted ''ab urbe condita (AUC)'', that is "from the founding of the city".

==Special days in the calendar==

These are the rules which are pronounced by the pontifices, and breaking them is nefas (though it can sometimes be expiated).

===Dies fasti [F]===
*ordinary citizens may do anything;
*magistrates may do anything except hold a meeting of the comitia tributa, concilium plebis, or comitia centuriata.

===Dies comitiales [C]===
*ordinary citizens may do anything;
*magistrates may do anything except exercise certain specific judicial functions.

===Dies nefasti [N]===
*ordinary citizens may do anything;
*magistrates may do anything except hold a meeting of the comitia tributa, concilium plebis, or comitia centuriata, or exercise certain specific judicial functions.

===Dies nefasti publici [NP]===
*ordinary citizens may not commit acts of physical violence, or begin lawsuits, and should try to avoid quarrels (but robust and lively debate was acceptable);
*slaves are allowed the day off work;
*magistrates may do anything except hold a meeting of the comitia tributa, concilium plebis, or comitia centuriata, or exercise certain specific judicial functions;
*ordinary citizens may not do any physical labour except what is urgently necessary and can't be postponed;
*the flamines and the rex sacrorum may not see anyone doing any physical labour, and may fine anyone they see doing physical labour.

===Dies endotercisi [EN]===
*same as dies nefasti in the morning;
*same as dies fasti in the afternoon;
*same as dies nefasti in the evening.

===Dies quando rex comitiavit fas [QRCF]===
*same as dies nefasti until the rex sacrorvm appears in the comitia;
*same as dies fasti after that.

===Dies quando stercus delatum fas [QSDF]===
*same as dies nefasti until the temple of Vesta has been cleaned;
*same as dies fasti after that.

===Dies atri and dies religiosi===
Dies atri and dies religiosi are less formal but widely observed.

'''Dies atri:''' unlucky days;
*no religious rites may be performed, either public or private;
*try to avoid making journeys, starting new projects, or doing anything risky;
*certain gods, including Iuppiter and Ianus, may not be named.

'''Dies religiosi:''' *like dies atri, but less bad:
*no private religious rites may be performed, but public rites may;
*try to avoid making journeys, starting new projects, or doing anything risky.

==Nundinae and nundinal letters==

''Nundinae'' were originally market-days, held every eighth day, on which Romans came into the city to trade and do business. On Roman calendars the days were given nundinal letters (A to H) to help people see when the next market-day would be. The markets were held on a different day each year.

FAQ

2006-03-19T21:29:42Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: /* So what's the difference between patrician and plebeian? */

[[Category:Nova Roma]]
{{ArticleStub}}

==What does S.P.Q.R. mean?==

'''Senatus Populusque Romanus''' - the Senate and Roman People; also usually quoted as "the Senate and People of Rome". The "que" suffix is "and"; "Romanus" is an adjective.

==Do I have to be Pagan to join?==

'''Absolutely not!''' Although most of our Citizens are currently pagans of one ilk or another, and the public "State" religion of Nova Roma is the Religio Romana, we in no shape, matter, or form require Citizens to practice Roman Paganism. The one exception to this is our magistrates; because they are not only civil servants but also have functions within the Religio Romana, we ask that they at least be willing to fulfill those religious functions. We have absolutely no interest in the private religious lives of any of our Citizens. All that's required is a love of all things Roman; you may wish to read A non-Pagan's perspective on the role of the Religio Romana

==Do I have to be of Roman or Italian heritage to join?==

As before, '''absolutely not!''' Just as persons of any race or nationality could become Roman Citizens, so too is the right of Nova Roman Citizenship open to all.

==Ancient Roman society was rather patriarchical. How does Nova Roma deal with women?==

While we are endeavoring to recreate most aspects of classical [[Roman culture (Nova Roma)|Roman culture]], we are updating some of the more backwards views of our illustrious ancestors (slavery being the other big one — we wouldn't allow it even if it were legal). Women in Nova Roma are completely free to vote, hold office, become members of the [[Senate (Nova Roma)|Senate]], and so forth. As far as the [[:Category:Religio Romana (Nova Roma)|Religio Romana]] goes, there are some offices that are women-only, some that are men-only, and some that are open to both. While we recognize the differences between women and men, neither is held to be superior to the other.

==Do I have to know Latin or Greek to join?==

'''Not at all.''' While a cursory knowledge of [[Latin]] might be helpful in understanding some of the terms and phrases you'll see both on our web site and in some of our publications, it is in no way required. Several Latin courses are now taught online at [http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/ Academia Thules].

==Are you serious about the sovereignty thing?==

'''Yes''', we are completely serious about our declaration of sovereignty. However, we are also very realistic and do not expect to function as an actual sovereign nation with our own territory in the foreseeable future. We look at it in three ways; as a long-term goal towards which we can reach, as a very convenient way to organize the administration of Nova Roma (especially given our Roman orientation), and as necessary for the full and complete restoration of the Religio Romana (since many religious duties were inherently tied to the State).

==Is this just some kind of role-playing game?==

'''No.''' Although we've rather become a sort of Virtual Community in these early stages thanks to computer technology, we're far more than some "role- playing" game! The culture and knowledge left by Classical Rome still has a great amount of positive direction to contribute to the modern world. Nova Roma is a quite serious attempt to provide a place where those interested in the various aspects of the Classical world can begin to focus that culture as a living system once again.

With Fortune, Nova Roma will grow into something very "real" indeed. We are gaining Citizens at a steady (and increasing) rate, and more and more "local real world" meetings and events are becoming possible. Within a few years there may well be a few thousand Nova Romans... running real-world Classical-oriented businesses through the [[Ordo Equester (Nova Roma)|Ordo Equester]], hosting public gatherings such as [[Roman Days]], organizing [[Sodalitates (Nova Roma)|Sodalitates]] (clubs) around Classical subjects concerning everything from Brewing to Philosophy, holding legal religious services, helping to fund serious archaeological digs, and even participating in real-world politics as an international "Culture and People."

Decades from now nobody is going to care that we as individuals were really superior store clerks, computer programmers, salespeople or whatever. But possibly, just possibly - we might have made a real difference by helping to preserve and rebuild the Classical foundations of Western culture.

Besides, at the VERY least, we'll have lead more interesting lives than most people ever bother to!

==Can I be a patrician?==

According to our [[Constitution (Nova Roma)|Constitution]], only the first thirty families to join Nova Roma are counted among the ranks of the patrician class. Vacancies have been filled by elevating plebeian families to the partician class. The family name is irrelevant to this; even if your family was historically patrician, it may be counted as plebeian in Nova Roma. Only if a patrician family becomes extinct can the Censors elevate a plebeian family to patrician status.

==So what's the difference between patrician and plebeian?==

'''Functionally, almost nothing at all.''' In fact, there are a few magistracies (such as the [[Tribuni Plebis (Nova Roma)|Tribuni Plebis]]) that can only be occupied by Citizens of the plebeian class. Patrician status was really included as a way to honor those families which came on-board at a very early stage of Nova Roma and were therefore instrumental in our early history.

==What's a spelt cake (or far cake)?==

A [[spelt cake]] is a traditional offering given agricultural deities such as Ceres or Tellus. [http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1996/V3-156.html#SPELT Spelt] (or far) is a species of grain in the same family as wheat.

==I want to form a Collegium of (Wicca/Asatru/Islam/etc.). How do I go about this?==

'''The simple answer is, you can't.''' Strictly speaking, the official Collegia are based on historical Roman models and are specifically involved in the practice of the revival of the historical Religio Romana. While the Senate can officially recognize religious institutions outside of the [[:Category:Religio Romana (Nova Roma)|Religio Romana]], they will only do so for historical reconstructionist groups that were actually present during the classical Roman era (such as the Mithraic Mysteries, the cult of Isis, the cult of Dionysus, etc.). Since Wicca, Asatru, Islam, Amerindian religion, etc. weren't known to the classical Romans, they really have no place in the public religious life of Nova Roma. This in no way says that Citizens cannot practice these faiths in their private religious life; this restriction is strictly applied to "official" public religious expression.

FAQ

2006-03-19T21:26:34Z

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==What does S.P.Q.R. mean?==

'''Senatus Populusque Romanus''' - the Senate and Roman People; also usually quoted as "the Senate and People of Rome". The "que" suffix is "and"; "Romanus" is an adjective.

==Do I have to be Pagan to join?==

'''Absolutely not!''' Although most of our Citizens are currently pagans of one ilk or another, and the public "State" religion of Nova Roma is the Religio Romana, we in no shape, matter, or form require Citizens to practice Roman Paganism. The one exception to this is our magistrates; because they are not only civil servants but also have functions within the Religio Romana, we ask that they at least be willing to fulfill those religious functions. We have absolutely no interest in the private religious lives of any of our Citizens. All that's required is a love of all things Roman; you may wish to read A non-Pagan's perspective on the role of the Religio Romana

==Do I have to be of Roman or Italian heritage to join?==

As before, '''absolutely not!''' Just as persons of any race or nationality could become Roman Citizens, so too is the right of Nova Roman Citizenship open to all.

==Ancient Roman society was rather patriarchical. How does Nova Roma deal with women?==

While we are endeavoring to recreate most aspects of classical [[Roman culture (Nova Roma)|Roman culture]], we are updating some of the more backwards views of our illustrious ancestors (slavery being the other big one — we wouldn't allow it even if it were legal). Women in Nova Roma are completely free to vote, hold office, become members of the [[Senate (Nova Roma)|Senate]], and so forth. As far as the [[:Category:Religio Romana (Nova Roma)|Religio Romana]] goes, there are some offices that are women-only, some that are men-only, and some that are open to both. While we recognize the differences between women and men, neither is held to be superior to the other.

==Do I have to know Latin or Greek to join?==

'''Not at all.''' While a cursory knowledge of [[Latin]] might be helpful in understanding some of the terms and phrases you'll see both on our web site and in some of our publications, it is in no way required. Several Latin courses are now taught online at [http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/ Academia Thules].

==Are you serious about the sovereignty thing?==

'''Yes''', we are completely serious about our declaration of sovereignty. However, we are also very realistic and do not expect to function as an actual sovereign nation with our own territory in the foreseeable future. We look at it in three ways; as a long-term goal towards which we can reach, as a very convenient way to organize the administration of Nova Roma (especially given our Roman orientation), and as necessary for the full and complete restoration of the Religio Romana (since many religious duties were inherently tied to the State).

==Is this just some kind of role-playing game?==

'''No.''' Although we've rather become a sort of Virtual Community in these early stages thanks to computer technology, we're far more than some "role- playing" game! The culture and knowledge left by Classical Rome still has a great amount of positive direction to contribute to the modern world. Nova Roma is a quite serious attempt to provide a place where those interested in the various aspects of the Classical world can begin to focus that culture as a living system once again.

With Fortune, Nova Roma will grow into something very "real" indeed. We are gaining Citizens at a steady (and increasing) rate, and more and more "local real world" meetings and events are becoming possible. Within a few years there may well be a few thousand Nova Romans... running real-world Classical-oriented businesses through the [[Ordo Equester (Nova Roma)|Ordo Equester]], hosting public gatherings such as [[Roman Days]], organizing [[Sodalitates (Nova Roma)|Sodalitates]] (clubs) around Classical subjects concerning everything from Brewing to Philosophy, holding legal religious services, helping to fund serious archaeological digs, and even participating in real-world politics as an international "Culture and People."

Decades from now nobody is going to care that we as individuals were really superior store clerks, computer programmers, salespeople or whatever. But possibly, just possibly - we might have made a real difference by helping to preserve and rebuild the Classical foundations of Western culture.

Besides, at the VERY least, we'll have lead more interesting lives than most people ever bother to!

==Can I be a patrician?==

According to our [[Constitution (Nova Roma)|Constitution]], only the first thirty families to join Nova Roma are counted among the ranks of the patrician class. Vacancies have been filled by elevating plebeian families to the partician class. The family name is irrelevant to this; even if your family was historically patrician, it may be counted as plebeian in Nova Roma. Only if a patrician family becomes extinct can the Censors elevate a plebeian family to patrician status.

==So what's the difference between patrician and plebeian?==

'''Functionally, almost nothing at all.''' In fact, there are a few magistracies (such as the [[Tribune Plebis (Nova Roma)|Tribune Plebis]]) that can only be occupied by Citizens of the plebeian class. Patrician status was really included as a way to honor those families which came on-board at a very early stage of Nova Roma and were therefore instrumental in our early history.

==What's a spelt cake (or far cake)?==

A [[spelt cake]] is a traditional offering given agricultural deities such as Ceres or Tellus. [http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1996/V3-156.html#SPELT Spelt] (or far) is a species of grain in the same family as wheat.

==I want to form a Collegium of (Wicca/Asatru/Islam/etc.). How do I go about this?==

'''The simple answer is, you can't.''' Strictly speaking, the official Collegia are based on historical Roman models and are specifically involved in the practice of the revival of the historical Religio Romana. While the Senate can officially recognize religious institutions outside of the [[:Category:Religio Romana (Nova Roma)|Religio Romana]], they will only do so for historical reconstructionist groups that were actually present during the classical Roman era (such as the Mithraic Mysteries, the cult of Isis, the cult of Dionysus, etc.). Since Wicca, Asatru, Islam, Amerindian religion, etc. weren't known to the classical Romans, they really have no place in the public religious life of Nova Roma. This in no way says that Citizens cannot practice these faiths in their private religious life; this restriction is strictly applied to "official" public religious expression.

Choosing a cognomen

2006-03-13T05:43:58Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica:

The third name or cognomen started to be a nickname or personal name that distinguished individuals within the same gens (the cognomen does not appear in official documents until around 100 BCE). During the Roman Republic, the cognomen was inherited from father to son, serving to distinguish a family within a gens. Often the cognomen was chosen based on some physical or personality trait.

'''Note:''' This list is intended as a guide to help you choose a meaningful cognomen. It is not a definite work and we will be adding new cognomina as and when our research permits. You are most welcome to choose a cognomen that does not appear on this list as long as your cognomen fits within the rules defined by the censorial edictum de nominibus and the Lex Fabia de Nominibus.

;male form / female form : Meaning

;Aculeo / ? : Prickly, unfriendly
;Agricola / ? : The farmer
;Agrippa / ? : He who was born feet first
;Ahala / ? : Armpit; Cognomen of gens Servilia
;Ahenobarbus / ? : With a red beard; Cognomen of gens Domitia
;Albinus / Albina : ? Cognomen of gens Postumia
;Albus / Alba : White or fair-skinned; Cognomen of gens Postumia
;Ambustus / Ambusta : Burnt, scalded; used by Fabii
;Annalis / Annalis : Relating to years; used by Villii
;Aquila / ? : Eagle
;Aquilinus / Aquilina : Eagleish
;Arvina / ? : Fat, lard; used by Cornelii and others
;Asellio / ? : The keeper of donkeys; used by Sempronii
;Asina / ? : The female donkey / cognomen of gens Cornelia
;Atellus / Atella : Dark-haired or dark skinned
;Avitus / Avita : He who takes after his grandfather
;Balbus / Balba : He who stutters; used by Acilii, Cornelii, Lucilii, Naevii, Octavii, and others.
;Barba / ? : A beard
;Barbatus / ? : The bearded one; used by Cornelii, Scipiones, Horatii, Quinctii, and others.
;Bassus / Bassa : The plump (i.e. fat) one
;Bestia / ? : An animal or a bestial man; used by Calpurnii.
;Bibaculus / Bibacula : Drunkard; Cognomen of gentes Furia & Sextia
;Bibulus / Bibula : Drunkard; Cognomen of gentes Calpurnia and Publicia
;Blaesus / Blaesa : Someone who mispronounces words, slurs his speech, stammers, or lisps; used by Sempronii.
;Brocchus / ? : Toothy
;Brutus / Bruta : Stupid, dull-witted; used by Iunii
;Bubulcus / Bubulca : A cattle-driver; used by Iunii and others.
;Bucco / ? : Fool; dolt.
;Bulbus / Bulba : Bulb, onion; used by Atilii
;Buteo / ? : Buzzard; used by Fabii
;Caecina / ? : Cognomen of gens Licinia
;Caecus / Caeca : The blind one; cognomen of gens Claudia
;Caepio / ? : The onion vendor. Cognomen of gens Servilia.
;Caesar / ? : From archaic praenomen Caesar, perhaps meaning "hairy"; used by Iulii
;Calidus / Calida : Hot-headed, rash; used by Coelii and others
;Calvinus / Calvina : ? Probably from Calvus. Cognomen of gentes Domitia & Veturia
;Calvus / Calva : The bald one
;Camillus / Camilla : A child who hepled during sacrifices. Cognomen of gens Furia
;Caninus / Canina : Dog-like; used by Acilii
;Canus / Cana : Golden-haired or grey-haired
;Capito / ? : Big-headed; used by Ateii and others
;Carbo / ? : Charcoal; used by Papirii and others.
;Castus / Casta : The pure, chaste one
;Catilina / ? : Cognomen of gens Sergia
;Cato / ? : Shrewd, prudent; used by Hostilii, Porcii, and others
;Catulus / Catula : Puppy, whelp; used by Lutatii.
;Celer / Celera : Quick
;Celsus / Celsa : Tall; used by Papii and others
;Cethegus / Cethega : Refers to early Romans. Cognomen of gens Cornelia
;Cicero / ? : Chick pea; used by Tullii and others
;Cicurinus / Cicurina : Mild, gentle; used by Veturii
;Cilo / ? : Large forehead or large lips; used by Flaminii and others
;Cincinnatus / Cincinnata : Curly-haired; used by Quinctii and others
;Cinna / ? : ? Cognomen of gens Cornelia
;Collatinus / Collatina : ? Probably from Collatia. Cognomen of gens Tarquinia.
;Cordus / Corda : Born late
;Cornicen / ? : Military bugler.
;Cornutus / Cornuta : Horned; used by Caecilii, Sulpicii
;Corvinus / Corvina : He who looks/acts like a crow. Cognomen of gens Valeria
;Corvus / Corva : The crow. Cognomen of gens Valeria
;Cossus / Cossa : From archaic praenomen Cossus; used by Cornelii
;Costa / ? : A rib; used by Pedanii
;Cotta / ? : ? Cognomen of Gens Aurelia
;Crassipes / ? : Club-footed; used by Furii
;Crassus / Crassa : Fat; used by Claudii, Licinii, Otacilii, Veturii, and others
;Crispinus / Crispina : ? Probably related to a location
;Crispus / Crispa : He who has curly hair. Cognomen of gentes Sallustia & Vibia
;Culleo / ? : Leather sack for carrying liquid; used by Terentii
;Curio / xxx : Priest of a Curia. Cognomen of gens Scribonia.
;Cursor / ? : Runner, courier; used by Papirii
;Curvus / Curva : Stopping, bent; used by Fulvii and others
;Dentatus / Dentata : Toothy
;Denter / Dentra : Toothy; used by Caecilii and others
;Dento / ? : Toothy
;Dives / Dives : Rich, wealthy; used by Licinii Crassi and others
;Dolabella / ? : Hatchet; used by Cornelii
;Dorsuo / ? : Large back; used by Fabii, and others
;Drusus / Drusilla : ? Used by Livii, and others
;Figulus / Figula : The pot maker/potter.
;Fimbria / ? : Edge of clothing, fringes. Cognomen of gens Flavia.
;Flaccus / Flacca : He who has big floppy ears. Used by Avianii, Fulvii, Valerii, and others.
;Flavus / Flava : Blonde-haired; used by Decimii and others
;Florus / Flora : Light-coloured or blooming; used by Aquilii
;Fronto / xxx : He who has a prominent forehead
;Frugi / Frugi : (indecl) the honest one, the sober one
;Fullo / ? : A fuller or launderer; used by Apustii
;Fusus / Fusa : From archaic praenomen Fusus; used by Furii
;Galeo / ? : Helmet
;Gemellus / Gemella : A twin; used by Servilii, Veturii, and others
;Geta / ? : ? Probably related to a location
;Glabrio / ? : A relative of Glaber; used by Acilii
;Gracchus / Graccha : ? Cognomen of gens Sempronia
;Gurges / ? : Greedy, prodigal; used by Fabii Maximi
;Habitus / Habita : In good physical condition; used by Cluentii and others
;Helva / ? : Dun-colored hair; used by Aebutii
;Imperiosus / Imperiosa : Domineering, dictatorial; used by Manlii
;Iul(l)us / Iul(l)a : From archaic praenomen Iulus; used by Iulii
;Labeo / ? : Prominent lips; used by Antistii, Atinii, Fabii, and others.
;Lactuca / ? : Lettuce; used by Valerii
;Laenas / ? : ? Possibly related to a wooly item of clothing (likely a cape; Gk. khlaina). Cognomen of gens Popillia
;Laenatus / Laenata : Wearing wool; used by the Menenii
;Laevinus / Laevina : ?
;Laterensis / Laterenisi : Person from the hill-side; used by Iuventii
;Lentulus / Lentula : A bit slow; used by Cornelii
;Lepidus / Lepida : Charming, amusing; used by Aemilii and others
;Libo / ? : ? Used by Marcii and others
;Licinus / Licina : Spiky- or bristly-haired; used by Mamilii
;Longus / Longa : Tall; used by Sempronii, Sulpicii and others
;Lucullus / Luculla : From lucus (grove) or Lucius (praenomen); used by Licinii
;Lupus / Lupa : The wolf. Cognomen of gens Rutilia.
;Lurco / ? : Gluttonous, greedy
;Macer / Macra : Thin; used by Licinii and others
;Macula / ? : A spot or blemish.
;Malleolus / Malleola : Hammer; used by Publicii
;Mamercus / Mamerca : From rare praenomen Mamercus, used by Aemilii
;Marcellus / Marcella : The warrior
;Merenda / ? : Light afternoon meal; used by Antonii, Cornelii and others
;Maro / ? : ? Used by Vergilii
;Mergus / Merga : Sea-gull
;Merula / Merulina : The blackbird; used by Cornelii
;Messal(l)a / Messal(l)ina : ? Cognomen of gens Valeria
;Metellus / Metella : The army follower. Cognomen of gens Caecillia
;Murena / ? : Eel; used by Licinii
;Mus / Mus : Mouse or rat; used by Decii and others
;Musca / ? : Fly; used by Sempronii
;Nasica / ? : Big-nosed; used by Sempronii
;Naso / ? : Big-nosed; used by Ovidii
;Natta / ? : An artisan; used by Pinarii
;Nepos / ? : Grandchild; used by Caecilii Metelli and others
;Nero / ? : From rare praenomen Nero; used by Claudii and others
;Nerva / ? : Vigorous; used by Licinii and others
;Niger / Nigra : Black-skinned or black-haired
;Novellus / Novella : New, new-fangled; used by Gavilii
;Ocella / ? : Small-eyed; used by Livii and others
;Pacilus / Pacila : From archaic praenomen Pacilus; used by Furii
;Paetus / Paeta : Squinty or blinking; used by Aelii and others
;Pansa / ? : Splay-footed; used by Vibii and others.
;Papus / Papa : From rare praenomen Papus; used by Aemilii and others
;Paterculus / Patercula : Father; used by Sulpicii and others
;Pau(l)lus / Paul(l)la : Small; used by Aemilii and others
;Pavo / ? : Peacock
;Pera / ? : Shoulder-bag; used by Iunii
;Perpenna / ? : ?
;Perperna / ? : ?
;Pictor / Pictrix : Painter; used by Fabii
;Piso / xxx : The mortar. Cognomen of gens Calpurnia
;Planctus / Plancta : Flat-footed; used by Munatii
;Plautus / Plauta : Flat-footed
;Poplicola / ? : He who flatters the people. This is an older spelling of "Publicola"
;Postumus / Postuma : Born after the father's death; used by Curtii and others
;Potitus / Potita : Probably derived from an archaic praenomen; used by Valerii
;Praeconinus / Praeconina : A relative of a herald
;Praetextatus / Praetextata : Young (wearing the toga praetexta); used by Sulpicii and others
;Priscus / Prisca : Very ancient, from the days of old, the very old man
;Proculus / Procula : From rare praenomen Proculus, perhaps meaning "born during father's absence"; used by Plautii.
;Publicola / ? : He who flatters the people.
;Pulcher / Pulchra : Attractive; used by Claudii and others
;Pullus / Pulla : Child
;Pulvillus / Pulvilla : Small cushion; used by Horatii
;Purpureo / ? : Wearing purple or with a purplish complexion
;Quadratus / Quadrata : Stocky, squarely built
;Ralla / ? : A tunic of fine fabric; used by Marcii
;Regillus / Regilla : Prince; used by Aemilii
;Regulus / Regula : Prince, used by Atilii
;Rufus / Rufa : Reddish, Ginger-haired.
;Ruga / ? : Wrinkly
;Rullus / Rulla : Uncultivated, boorish; used by Servilii
;Rutilus / Rutila : Reddish-gold hair
;Salinator / Salinatrix : He who harvests salt.
;Saturninus / Saturnina : Dedicated to Saturnus
;Scaeva / ? : Left-handed; used by Iunii Bruti and others
;Scaevola / ? : Left-handed; used by Mucii and others.
;Scapula / ? : Shoulder-blade; used by Quinctii and others
;Scaurus / Scaura : Lame, swollen-ankled; used by Aemilii, Aurelii
;Scipio / ? : Rod, staff; used by Cornelii and others
;Scrofa / ? : Sow; used by Tremelii
;Severus / Severa : Strict, severe
;Seneca / ? : ? Probably related to senex, the old man. Cogn of gens Aennaea
;Silanus / Silana : From the forest. Cognomen of gens Iunia
;Silo / ? : Snub-nosed; used by Sergii
;Silus / Sila : Snub-nosed; used by Sergii
;Stolo / ? : Shoot of a plant; used by Licinii
;Strabo / ? : Squinty; used by Titii and others
;Structus / Structa : Possibly derived from an archaic praenomen; used by Servilii
;Sulla / ? : ? Used by Cornelii
;Sura / ? : Calf of the leg
;Taurus / Taura : Bull
;Tranquillus / Tranquilla : Calm, tranquil, quiet
;Triarius / Triaria : A type of soldier; used by Valerii and others
;Trigeminus / Trigemina : A triplet; used by Curiatii and others
;Trio / ? : One of the seven stars of the Plough/Big Dipper; used by Lucretii
;Tubero / ? : Having a tumour or swelling; used by Aelii
;Tubertus / Tuberta : Having a tumour or swelling; used by Postumii
;Tubulus / Tubula : Little tube; used by Hostilii
;Tuditanus / Tuditana : Mallet; used by Sempronii
;Tullus / Tulla : From rare praenomen Tullus; used by Volcatii
;Turdus / Turda : Thrush; used by Papirii
;Varro / ? : Block-head; used by Terentii and others
;Varus / Vara : Bow-legged; used by Atilii, Licinii, Quinctilii, and others
;Vatia / ? : Knock-kneed; used by Servilii and others
;Verres / ? : Pig; used by Cornelii
;Vespillo / ? : Person employed to bury people too poor for a funeral; used by Lucretii
;Vetus / Veta : Old; used by Antistii
;Vitulus / Vitula : Calf or young cow; used by Mamilii, Pomponii, and others
;Volusus / Volusa : From rare praenomen Volusus; used by Valerii

==Vide==

*[[Choosing a Roman name]]
*[[Choosing a praenomen]]
*[[Choosing a nomen]]

Choosing a nomen

2006-03-13T05:26:53Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica:

The second name or ''nomen'' (pl. ''nomina'') is the name of the gens (clan). In Nova Roman society, each gens bears a unique name.

* Nomina marked with an asterisk (*) are NOT currently in use in Nova Roma. Please note that we are not currently accepting new gentes in Nova Roma until further notice. You may however petition the censores and present a case should you wish to overcome this restriction.
* Nomina in brackets ([…]) are only recorded during the imperial period but may also belong to the Republican nomenclature.
* Nomina marked with a square (#) do not have an Italian/Roman origin.
* Nota Bene: Female nomina take ''-ia'' instead of ''-ius'' on the root of the nomen. e.g : ''Octavius'' -> ''Octavia''.

We encourage our applicants to enter one of the already existing Gentes of Nova Roma and to adopt the respective nomen. If an applicant wants to create a new gens, the censores must be contacted for approval and it should be one of the gentes proven to actually have existed during the Republic.

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{{FourUp|content=Aebutius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Aelius}}
{{FourUp|content=Aemilius}}
{{FourUp|content=Aeternius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Afranius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Albinius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Albius}}
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{{FourUp|content=Anicius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Annaeus}}
{{FourUp|content=Annius}}
{{FourUp|content=Antius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Antonius}}
{{FourUp|content=Apollonius # (Greece)}}
{{FourUp|content=Appuleius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Aquil(l)ius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Arrius}}
{{FourUp|content=Asinius}}
{{FourUp|content=Atilius}}
{{FourUp|content=Atrius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Aurelius}}
{{FourUp|content=Baebius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Caecilius}}
{{FourUp|content=Caedicius}}
{{FourUp|content=Caelius}}
{{FourUp|content=Calidius}}
{{FourUp|content=Calpurnius}}
{{FourUp|content=Calvisius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Caninius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Cassius}}
{{FourUp|content=Catilius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Cicereius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Claudius}}
{{FourUp|content=Cloelius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Cocceius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Comicius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Cominius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Cornelius}}
{{FourUp|content=Cornuficius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Coruncanius}}
{{FourUp|content=Curius}}
{{FourUp|content=Curtius}}
{{FourUp|content=Decius}}
{{FourUp|content=Dexius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Didius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Domitius}}
{{FourUp|content=Duilius}}
{{FourUp|content=[Duvius]*}}
{{FourUp|content=Equitius}}
{{FourUp|content=Fabius}}
{{FourUp|content=Fabricius}}
{{FourUp|content=Flaminius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Flavius}}
{{FourUp|content=Folius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Fulvius}}
{{FourUp|content=Furius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Gabinius}}
{{FourUp|content=[Galerius]}}
{{FourUp|content=Geganius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Gellius}}
{{FourUp|content=[Geminius]}}
{{FourUp|content=Genucius}}
{{FourUp|content=[Gra(t)tius]}}
{{FourUp|content=[Haterius]*}}
{{FourUp|content=Helvius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Herennius}}
{{FourUp|content=Hermenius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Hirtius}}
{{FourUp|content=Horatius}}
{{FourUp|content=Hortensius}}
{{FourUp|content=Iulius}}
{{FourUp|content=Iunius}}
{{FourUp|content=Iuventius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Labienus}}
{{FourUp|content=Laelius}}
{{FourUp|content=Larcius}}
{{FourUp|content=Laronius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Licinius}}
{{FourUp|content=Livius}}
{{FourUp|content=Lucilius}}
{{FourUp|content=Lucretius}}
{{FourUp|content=Lutatius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Manlius}}
{{FourUp|content=Marcius}}
{{FourUp|content=Marius}}
{{FourUp|content=Memmius}}
{{FourUp|content=Menenius*}}
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{{FourUp|content=Modius}}
{{FourUp|content=Mucius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Munatius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Naevius}}
{{FourUp|content=Nautius}}
{{FourUp|content=Nerius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Nigidius}}
{{FourUp|content=Nonius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Norbanus*}}
{{FourUp|content=Numicius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Octavius}}
{{FourUp|content=Ogulnius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Opimius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Oppius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Otacilius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Ovidius}}
{{FourUp|content=Ovinius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Ovius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Papirius}}
{{FourUp|content=Pedius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Peducaeus*}}
{{FourUp|content=[Petronius]}}
{{FourUp|content=Pinarius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Plautius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Pleminius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Poetelius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Pompeius}}
{{FourUp|content=Pomponius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Pontius}}
{{FourUp|content=Popillius}}
{{FourUp|content=Porcius (or Portius)}}
{{FourUp|content=Postumius}}
{{FourUp|content=Publilius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Pupius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Quin(c)tilius}}
{{FourUp|content=Quin(c)tius}}
{{FourUp|content=Rabuleius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Romilius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Roscius*}}
{{FourUp|content=[Rubellius]}}
{{FourUp|content=Rutilius}}
{{FourUp|content=Salonius*}}
{{FourUp|content=Sallustius}}
{{FourUp|content=Salvius}}
{{FourUp|content=Scribonius}}
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{{FourUp|content=Servilius}}
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{{FourUp|content=[Velius]}}
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{{FourUp|content=Vergilius}}
{{FourUp|content=Veturius*}}
{{FourUp|content=[Vespasius]*}}
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{{FourUp|content=Vipsanius}}
{{FourUp|content=Virginius}}
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{{FourUp|content=Vibius}}
{{FourUp|content=Vitruvius}}
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==Vide==

*[[Choosing a Roman name]]
*[[Choosing a praenomen]]
*[[Choosing a cognomen]]

 
==Nomina in use in Nova Roma==

 
==Nomina not now in use in Nova Roma==

Choosing a praenomen

2006-03-13T05:21:15Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: /* Female Praenomina */

This form of "first" name was relatively unimportant, and was rarely used on its own. Only a few praenomina were commonly in use in the Republican era of Rome.

Please note that this list includes all the most common praenomina. They are accepted as standards by most scholars and will also be accepted by the censores without discussion. There are however a few other far less common praenomina available on request. The full list can be obtained on request and censorial approval of these unusual praenomina is necessary before any application is processed.

Please note that '''no''' Praenomen that does not appear on this list will be accepted by the Censorial office without a special application.

'''Nota Bene:''' Historically, certain praenomina were used only in certain gentes. Although we do not restrict their use we warmly recommend that established practice should be followed if and where possible.
The praenomina in question are:

* Kaeso used by the gens Fabia
* Numerius used by gens Fabia
* Appius used by gens Claudia
* Mamercus used by gens Aemilia

===Male Praenomina===

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{{FourUp|content=Gaius}}
{{FourUp|content=Gnaeus}}
{{FourUp|content=Kaeso}}
{{FourUp|content=Lucius}}
{{FourUp|content=Mamercus}}
{{FourUp|content=Manius}}
{{FourUp|content=Marcus}}
{{FourUp|content=Numerius}}
{{FourUp|content=Oppius}}
{{FourUp|content=Publius}}
{{FourUp|content=Quintus}}
{{FourUp|content=Servius}}
{{FourUp|content=Sextus}}
{{FourUp|content=Tiberius}}
{{FourUp|content=Titus}}

 

===Female Praenomina===

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{{FourUp|content=Aula}}
{{FourUp|content=Fausta}}
{{FourUp|content=Gaia}}
{{FourUp|content=Gnaea}}
{{FourUp|content=Iulla}}
{{FourUp|content=Lucia}}
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{{FourUp|content=Marca}}
{{FourUp|content=Numeria}}
{{FourUp|content=Oppia}}
{{FourUp|content=Paula/Polla}}
{{FourUp|content=Postuma}}
{{FourUp|content=Publia}}
{{FourUp|content=Quinta}}
{{FourUp|content=Salvia}}
{{FourUp|content=Servia}}
{{FourUp|content=Spuria}}
{{FourUp|content=Tiberia}}
{{FourUp|content=Titia}}
{{FourUp|content=Vibia}}

 

==Vide==

*[[Choosing a Roman name]]
*[[Choosing a nomen]]
*[[Choosing a cognomen]]

Choosing a Roman name

2006-03-13T01:05:58Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica:

So that Nova Roma may be a working restoration of ancient Republican Roman society, we ask that you choose a Roman name when you enroll as an official Citizen. Use of Roman names will allow the culture of Nova Roma to grow in the traditional manner of organization by "gentes", or clans, and branches of families within the different gentes.
The Roman name you choose will be entered into the Citizen rolls along with your "given" name. We'll use it when contacting you, and invite you to make your experience an authentic one by making use of it in correspondence and public participation.

*If you've already chosen a Roman name for yourself, simply list it in your application for Citizenship.
*If you are new to Roman culture, and would like assistance in choosing a Roman name that expresses both you and your interests, simply contact the censores.

Roman male names typically contain three proper nouns which are classified as the '''praenomen''' (or given name), the '''nomen''' (or gens name) and the '''cognomen'''. Sometimes a second cognomen (called an agnomen) is added. For female names, the convention is similar, with a few differences. When applying for citizenship, only the praenomen, nomen, and cognomen are mandatory.

Additional elements such as agnomen and filiation are optional.

;Praenomen (plural, praenomina) : This form of "first" name was relatively unimportant, and was rarely used on its own outside of the family. There are relatively few praenomina that were commonly used in the Republican era of Rome.

;Nomen (plural, nomina) : The second name or nomen is the name of the gens (clan) in masculine form; the Latin word "gens" is feminine, so the name appears as feminine in our lists.

;Cognomen (plural, cognomina) : The third name or cognomen started to be a nickname or personal name that distinguished individuals within the same gens (the cognomen does not appear in official documents until around 100 BCE). During the Roman Republic, the cognomen is inherited from father to son, serving to distinguish a family within a gens. Often the cognomen was chosen based on some physical or personality trait.

*[[Choosing a praenomen]]
*[[Choosing a nomen]]
*[[Choosing a cognomen]]

==Additional elements & examples==

Originally, the praenomen and nomen constituted a Roman's full name and were followed by the so-called filiation (a patronymic or indication of paternity). The filiation (patronymicus) consisted of the Latin word for "son," "filius" (abbreviated by the letter f.), preceded by the abbreviation of the father's praenomen, which was understood in the genitive case. Hence, a Roman might have been known as

M. Antonius M. f. (=Marci filius), that is, Marcus Antonius, the son of Marcus.

Additionally it could also indicate the grandfather with the word "grandson," "nepos" (abbreviated by the letter n.).

By the Middle Republic the abbreviation for tribe in which the man was enrolled was added after his filiation. When this became an official part of the name is not known. By 242 BC the number of tribes was fixed at 35:

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{{FourUp|content=Falerna}}
{{FourUp|content=Galeria}}
{{FourUp|content=Horatia}}
{{FourUp|content=Lemonia}}
{{FourUp|content=Maecia}}
{{FourUp|content=Oufentina}}
{{FourUp|content=Palatina}}
{{FourUp|content=Papiria}}
{{FourUp|content=Poblilia}}
{{FourUp|content=Pollia}}
{{FourUp|content=Pomptina}}
{{FourUp|content=Quirina}}
{{FourUp|content=Romilia}}
{{FourUp|content=Sabatia}}
{{FourUp|content=Scaptia}}
{{FourUp|content=Sergia}}
{{FourUp|content=Stellatina}}
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{{FourUp|content=Teretina}}
{{FourUp|content=Tromentina}}
{{FourUp|content=Velina}}
{{FourUp|content=Voltinia}}
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A tribe was not an indication of common ancestry; the tribes were distributed geographically and a man belonged to the tribe in which his main residence was located. The tribe was an essential part of citizenship, since voting was often carried out by tribe. With the expansion of the Empire, the number or tribes also expanded. In Nova Roma, assignment to tribes is performed by the Censors. If you don't know your tribe, email them and ask.

Ok, let's analyse the example of a complete name: '''Marcus Aurelius Marci f. Quinti n. tribu Galeria Antoninus Pius, domo Caesaraugusta'''.

* praenomen: Marcus
* nomen: Aurelius (he belongs to gens Aurelia, the Aurelii in plural)
* patronymicus: son of Marcus
* grandparent: grandson of Quintus
* tribe: Galeria (a tribe from the region of Caesaraugusta in Hispania)
* cognomen: Antoninus (family of the Antonini)
* agnomen: Pius (probably because of his piety...rarely inherited))
* city: Caesaraugusta (ancient Saragozza in Hispania)

In everyday use, people are referred to by either a combination of the praenomen and nomen, or even more usually by just their cognomen.

*"Marcus Livius Drusus" would either be just "Drusus" or "Marcus Livius."
*"Iulia Marciana" would be just "Iulia."

Sodalitates (Nova Roma)

2006-03-11T09:02:21Z

Aula Tullia Scholastica: /* Sodalitas Latinitas */

Several '''Sodalitates''', or associations, exist within Nova Roma for the discussion of topics of special interest to citizens, such as the arts, the Roman millitary, the Latin language, and more. Most of these Sodalitates have web sites and mailing lists of their own.

Any citizen may be a member of any Sodalitas, and non-citizens often participate in their mailing lists as well.

Sodalitates must be approved by the Senate.

==Sodalitas Coquorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum==

'''The Society of Cooks and Brewers'''

Devoted to the research, preparation, and enjoyment of the beverages, foods and dining methods of Roma Antiqua, those of cultures with which she came into contact, those of Nova Roma and the host cultures of Nova Roma's Cives. The main emphasis of all efforts is Roma Antiqua, with an eye to the future of Nova Roma. The Sodalitas provides a forum for communication and exchange of information between the brewers and cooks of Nova Roma, and to the benefit of the general population.

Dominus: [[Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator (Nova Roma)|Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator]]

Mailing List: [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/ groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/]

Established: 17 Februarius [[MMDCCLII]] (charter)

==Sodalitas Egressus==

'''Nova Roma Outreach'''

[[Image:Egressus.gif|right]]The Sodalitas Egressus of Nova Roma was founded to promote our Republic and establish person-to-person contact of cives of Nova Roma with other organizations of Roman-related interests. This Sodalitas list provides its members with a point of contact, whereby various Sodalitas ventures are discussed, and where events sponsored by either Nova Roma or other organizations shall be posted.

Praefectus Fabrum: [[Marcus Minucius Audens (Nova Roma)|Marcus Minucius Audens]]

Mailing List: [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Egressus/ groups.yahoo.com/group/Egressus/]

Established: 14 Iunius [[MMDCCLIII]] (charter)

==Sodalitas Latinitatis==

'''The Latin Society'''

[[Image:Latinitas.jpg|right]]Civibus Novae Romae qui linguae litterisve Latinis vel philologiae classicae studeant, locus ubi haec agitentur nec non promotio Latinitatis Novae Romae. Tabellae Latine aliisque linguis scriptae accipiuntur.

For citizens of Nova Roma with an interest in the Latin Language, Latin Literature, and Classical Philology, a place to discuss these matters along with the promotion of Latinity in Nova Roma. Messages in Latin and other languages are welcome.

Mailing List: [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Latinitas/ groups.yahoo.com/group/Latinitas/]

==Sodalitas Militarium==

'''Roman Military'''

[[Image:Militarium.gif|right]]Members discuss and study aspects of the Roman Military with focus on Infantry, Cavalry, Naval, Engineering and Cartography. Although the Sodalitas Militarium in no way promotes conquest and unnecessary military force, we are intrigued by the efficiency of the Roman Military Vehicle and its positive contributions to the foundation of Ancient and contemporary civilization, as well as its tactical legacy to the military forces of today. Members discuss Ancient Roman military strategies, tactics, battles, and plan future sodalitas events. The Sodalitas is also involved in the sponsoring of Roman Reenactment Legions worldwide.

Praefectus Fabrum: [[Marcus Minucius Audens (Nova Roma)|Marcus Minucius Audens]]

Mailing List: [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMilitarium/ groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMilitarium/]

Website: http://ca.geocities.com/sodalitasmilitarium

==Sodalitas Munerum==

'''Gladiatorial Combat'''

An association of Nova Roman citizens interested in the art of gladiatorial combat and related entertainments as practiced in ancient Rome. The Sodalitas is formed for the purpose of staging such games in as safe a manner as possible while still remaining authentic and entertaining. To further that end, the Sodalitas shall facilitate research, the production of armor and weapons, training, staging games, and those other activities which are deemed to support that mission.

Mailing List: [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMunerum/ groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMunerum/]

Established: 18 Julius [[MMDCCLIV]] (charter)

==Sodalitas Musarum==

'''Arts and Literature'''

[[Image:Musarum.jpg|right]]

The Sodalitas Musarum, under the patronage of Apollo and the Nine Muses, endeavours to develop and serve the cultural and artistic life of Nova Roma.

The Sodalitas Musarum is composed of ten Collegia, each of which is named after and under the patronage of the appropriate Muse or Apollo.

<div style="border:thin solid #800000;float:right;padding:1em">
Collegia Sodalitatis
<hr/>
I. Calliope (Epic Poetry) 
II. Clio (History and Social Science) 
III. Euterpe (Music) 
IV. Melpomene (Tragedy) 
V. Terpsichore (Dance) 
VI. Erato (Lyric Poetry) 
VII. Polyhymnia (Sacred Song and Verse) 
VIII. Urania (Astronomy and Natural Science) 
IX. Thalia (Comedy) 
X. Apollo (Graphic and Plastic Arts, and Architecture) 
</div>

Coryphaea: [[Aula Tullia Scholastica (Nova Roma)|Aula Tullia Scholastica]]

Website:http://www.freewebtown.com/musarum/curatores.html

Mailing List: [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ForTheMuses/ groups.yahoo.com/group/ForTheMuses/]

Established: 05 December [[MMDCCLIII]]