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Aulus Apollonius Cordus: Small suggestions.

2007-09-17T16:05:40Z

Small suggestions.

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	::::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 17:55, 17 September 2007 (CEST)		::::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 17:55, 17 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	===Small suggestions===
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		+	Four small suggestions:
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		+	*To add the word "the" in front of the name of the ''comitia'' in the phrase "approved by ''comitia''..."
		+	*To place the names of the ''comitia'', the word ''lex'', and other Latin words in italics.
		+	*To change the phrase "This ''lex'' is now uncertain" to "This ''lex'' is now of uncertain legal status". Otherwise it's not clear what the phrase means until you compare it to other ''leges'' which are not uncertain.
		+	*To change the word "now" to the word "currently" in the phrase "This ''lex'' is now...". To me the use of "now" implies that it used to be something else and has changed, which will not always be true of ''leges''.
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		+	Obviously these are not high-priority changes, but I thought I'd note them on the record while they were in my mind.
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		+	- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 18:05, 17 September 2007 (CEST)

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Aulus Apollonius Cordus: /* Language bars */ Reply about authentic texts.

2007-09-17T15:55:52Z

Language bars: Reply about authentic texts.

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	:::I mean to put '''just''' the authentic text in an article. Then we could include it in other articles, maybe decorated with all sorts of other information, but in every case the authentic text would exist in exactly one place. We could include it by treating it like a template. We could also change this LexInfo template to Latin, so it could be used universally. It would have a link to a glossary page, basically. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 07:20, 16 September 2007 (CEST)		:::I mean to put '''just''' the authentic text in an article. Then we could include it in other articles, maybe decorated with all sorts of other information, but in every case the authentic text would exist in exactly one place. We could include it by treating it like a template. We could also change this LexInfo template to Latin, so it could be used universally. It would have a link to a glossary page, basically. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 07:20, 16 September 2007 (CEST)

−	:Or would it be enough to rely on the use or not of "class=scriptum" to distinguish authentic texts from inauthentic ones? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 07:20, 16 September 2007 (CEST)	+	:::Or would it be enough to rely on the use or not of "class=scriptum" to distinguish authentic texts from inauthentic ones? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 07:20, 16 September 2007 (CEST)

		+	::::Ah, I understand. Well, the problem with that is that sometimes there is more than one authentic text. In the last few years, for example, the ''comitia'' have approved a number of ''leges'' in both Latin and English. Since both texts have been simultaneously approved by the ''comitia'' in the same vote, both are authentic, and it then becomes impractical (and probably unhelpful) to put them both on the same page.
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		+	::::As for using the 'scriptum' box to distinguish the authentic texts from the inauthentic ones, that's a possibility, I suppose. What makes me hesitate is the possibility of 'official' translations. We have an official body of ''interpretes'' whose duty it is to translate such official documents. A translation by an official ''interpres'' is therefore a sort of 'official' translation, which has more authority than a translation done by a private citizen or by a sequence of private citizens who edit the translation just like a normal article on the website. It still wouldn't be an authentic text, but we might nonetheless want to protect it from the attentions of ordinary editors, and the 'scriptum' box would seem the natural way to do that. But then we'd need a different way to mark authentic texts. Hmm. I'm not sure.
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		+	::::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 17:55, 17 September 2007 (CEST)

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M. Lucretius Agricola: update usage with new variables

2007-09-16T08:08:34Z

update usage with new variables

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	<nowiki>{{LexInfo</nowiki><br/>		<nowiki>{{LexInfo</nowiki><br/>
	\|sortkey= Enter the sort word for categories<br/>		\|sortkey= Enter the sort word for categories<br/>
		+	\|type= Enter the document type<br/>
	\|status= choose "current" "repealed" "lapsed" or "uncertain"<br/>		\|status= choose "current" "repealed" "lapsed" or "uncertain"<br/>
	\|result= choose "approved" "rejected" "vetoed" "withdrawn" or "uncertain"<br/>		\|result= choose "approved" "rejected" "vetoed" "withdrawn" or "uncertain"<br/>
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	\|yes= Number of YES votes \|no= Number of NO votes \|abs= Number of ABSTAIN votes<br/>		\|yes= Number of YES votes \|no= Number of NO votes \|abs= Number of ABSTAIN votes<br/>
	\|when= date of action. use date templates freely.<br/>		\|when= date of action. use date templates freely.<br/>
		+	\|reference= URL to an off-wiki reference.<br/>
	}}		}}

M. Lucretius Agricola: a bit of explanation

2007-09-16T05:20:16Z

a bit of explanation

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	The variable "status" can take these values:		The variable "status" can take these values:

−	C, c, current, F, f, 1 all result in "IN FORCE"	+	C, c, current, F, f, all result in "IN FORCE"

−	R, r, repealed, 2 all result in "REPEALED" and place the item in [[:Category:Repealed leges (Nova Roma)]]	+	R, r, repealed, all result in "REPEALED" and place the item in [[:Category:Repealed leges (Nova Roma)]]

−	L, l, lapsed, 3 all result in "LAPSED" and place the article in [[:Category:Lapsed leges (Nova Roma)]]	+	L, l, lapsed, all result in "LAPSED" and place the article in [[:Category:Lapsed leges (Nova Roma)]]

	No value or anything else result in "Uncertain" and place the article in [[:Category:Leges needing attention (Nova Roma)]]}}'''		No value or anything else result in "Uncertain" and place the article in [[:Category:Leges needing attention (Nova Roma)]]}}'''
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−	A, a, P, p, approved, 1 all result in an "Approved by" message.	+	A, a, P, p, approved, all result in an "Approved by" message.

−	R, r, rejected, 2 all result in a "Rejected by" message.	+	R, r, rejected, all result in a "Rejected by" message.

	"Approved by" and "Rejected by" also get a comitia from the "com" variable and a voting record from "yes" "no" and "abs" variables.		"Approved by" and "Rejected by" also get a comitia from the "com" variable and a voting record from "yes" "no" and "abs" variables.

−	V, v, vetoed, 3 all result in a "Vetoed before voting in" message plus the comitia name.	+	V, v, vetoed, all result in a "Vetoed before voting in" message plus the comitia name.

−	W, w, withdrawn, 4 all result in a "Withdrawn before voting in" message plus the comitia name.	+	W, w, withdrawn, all result in a "Withdrawn before voting in" message plus the comitia name.

	Nothing or anything else result in "Uncertain" and placement in [[:Category:Leges needing attention		Nothing or anything else result in "Uncertain" and placement in [[:Category:Leges needing attention
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	This template makes it a preference to display information in normal article format, not in the idiosyncratic box format. The box format used a table layout device, which is a deprecated mechanism and not reliable across browsers. This is especially true for persons with impaired vision and most particularly true for persons using screen readers. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 11:58, 29 August 2007 (CEST)		This template makes it a preference to display information in normal article format, not in the idiosyncratic box format. The box format used a table layout device, which is a deprecated mechanism and not reliable across browsers. This is especially true for persons with impaired vision and most particularly true for persons using screen readers. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 11:58, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

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	===Language bars===		===Language bars===
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	::I'm afraid I don't quite understand what all that means! Perhaps when you have time you could make an example..? :)		::I'm afraid I don't quite understand what all that means! Perhaps when you have time you could make an example..? :)
	::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 14:40, 4 September 2007 (CEST)		::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 14:40, 4 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:::I mean to put '''just''' the authentic text in an article. Then we could include it in other articles, maybe decorated with all sorts of other information, but in every case the authentic text would exist in exactly one place. We could include it by treating it like a template. We could also change this LexInfo template to Latin, so it could be used universally. It would have a link to a glossary page, basically. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 07:20, 16 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:Or would it be enough to rely on the use or not of "class=scriptum" to distinguish authentic texts from inauthentic ones? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 07:20, 16 September 2007 (CEST)
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Aulus Apollonius Cordus: /* Language bars */ Um... right.

2007-09-04T12:40:01Z

Language bars: Um... right.

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	:Agree. The problem I see is that elsewhere the languagebar links equivalent versions. It may be useful to break off the canonical texts from ALL other materials. This would let us use an include to bring the very same authentic text into all versions. We could also change the boilerplate in this template to Latin and have a link to a translation page. I have elsewhere been supportive of this sort of thing (e.g. dates) as a teaching tool. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 03:38, 4 September 2007 (CEST)		:Agree. The problem I see is that elsewhere the languagebar links equivalent versions. It may be useful to break off the canonical texts from ALL other materials. This would let us use an include to bring the very same authentic text into all versions. We could also change the boilerplate in this template to Latin and have a link to a translation page. I have elsewhere been supportive of this sort of thing (e.g. dates) as a teaching tool. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 03:38, 4 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	::I'm afraid I don't quite understand what all that means! Perhaps when you have time you could make an example..? :)
		+	::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 14:40, 4 September 2007 (CEST)

M. Lucretius Agricola: /* Language bars */ answer Cordus

2007-09-04T01:38:00Z

Language bars: answer Cordus

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	- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 19:01, 3 September 2007 (CEST)		- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 19:01, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:Agree. The problem I see is that elsewhere the languagebar links equivalent versions. It may be useful to break off the canonical texts from ALL other materials. This would let us use an include to bring the very same authentic text into all versions. We could also change the boilerplate in this template to Latin and have a link to a translation page. I have elsewhere been supportive of this sort of thing (e.g. dates) as a teaching tool. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 03:38, 4 September 2007 (CEST)

Aulus Apollonius Cordus: /* Discussion */ Language bars and authentic texts

2007-09-03T17:01:46Z

Discussion: Language bars and authentic texts

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		+	===Language bars===
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		+	The text above raises the question whether it is a good idea to have a language bar at the top of an article which contains the text of a legal document. I think it is a good idea. Some legal documents are issued in more than one language - a number of ''leges'', for example, have been promulgated and enacted in both Latin and English. There seems little point putting all the versions in the same article, because very few readers will want to read the same document in more than one language. Therefore it makes sense to have the English version of the text in one article, the Latin version in another, and so on, and to link them together using the language bar.
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		+	However, we must be careful here to distinguish between authentic and inauthentic texts. For non-lawyers I'll explain that the authentic text of a legal document is the text which embodies the meaning of the document and which can be relied upon by lawyers and judges. Where a question of interpretation arises, only an authentic text can be used to support any given interpretation. In Nova Roma the only authentic text of a ''lex'' is the text which was approved by the ''comitia'', the only authentic text of a ''senatus consultum'' is the text which was approved by the senate, and so on. When a ''lex'' is proposed and voted on in both Latin and English then both Latin and English texts are authentic. But a translation made later is not authentic. So we need to be very careful to make clear which texts are authentic and which are inauthentic when presenting texts in several languages.
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		+	- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 19:01, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

M. Lucretius Agricola: get docs ready for use with subst

2007-09-02T06:42:43Z

get docs ready for use with subst

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		+	This template uses MAGICWORDS and ParserFunctions.
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		+	==Usage==
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		+	Put '''<nowiki>{{subst:Template talk:LexInfo}}</nowiki>''' on the first line of the article and save it. Then open it for editing and leave only the correct values. Remove all quote marks.
		+	</noinclude>
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		+	<nowiki>{{LexInfo</nowiki><br/>
		+	\|sortkey= Enter the sort word for categories<br/>
		+	\|status= choose "current" "repealed" "lapsed" or "uncertain"<br/>
		+	\|result= choose "approved" "rejected" "vetoed" "withdrawn" or "uncertain"<br/>
		+	\|com= name of comitia <br/>
		+	\|yes= Number of YES votes \|no= Number of NO votes \|abs= Number of ABSTAIN votes<br/>
		+	\|when= date of action. use date templates freely.<br/>
		+	}}
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		+	<noinclude>
	==What this does and how to use it==		==What this does and how to use it==

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	This template makes it a preference to display information in normal article format, not in the idiosyncratic box format. The box format used a table layout device, which is a deprecated mechanism and not reliable across browsers. This is especially true for persons with impaired vision and most particularly true for persons using screen readers. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 11:58, 29 August 2007 (CEST)		This template makes it a preference to display information in normal article format, not in the idiosyncratic box format. The box format used a table layout device, which is a deprecated mechanism and not reliable across browsers. This is especially true for persons with impaired vision and most particularly true for persons using screen readers. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 11:58, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
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M. Lucretius Agricola: update documentation

2007-09-02T06:00:05Z

update documentation

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	3. It blocks the TOC, but then the TOC shouldn't appear until the fourth heading is included. This can be overridden in the article, but it seems best to suppress them by default as in most cases the articles are short.		3. It blocks the TOC, but then the TOC shouldn't appear until the fourth heading is included. This can be overridden in the article, but it seems best to suppress them by default as in most cases the articles are short.

−	4. Creates a "~~Status~~" section.	+	4. Creates a "Background" section.

	The variable "status" can take these values:		The variable "status" can take these values:
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	No value or anything else result in "Uncertain" and place the article in [[:Category:Leges needing attention (Nova Roma)]]}}'''		No value or anything else result in "Uncertain" and place the article in [[:Category:Leges needing attention (Nova Roma)]]}}'''

−	~~5. Creates a "History" section.~~

	The variable "result" can take these values:		The variable "result" can take these values:
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	6. The date is added from the "when" variable. Note that this variable may contain other templates, specifically date templates. For date templates see the help files.		6. The date is added from the "when" variable. Note that this variable may contain other templates, specifically date templates. For date templates see the help files.

−	7. ~~Creates a "commentary" section containing~~ the message "Commentary is not part of the lex and should be placed on the discussion page. It automatically creates a link to each article's talk page.	+	7. Inserts the message "Commentary is not part of the lex and should be placed on the discussion page. It automatically creates a link to each article's talk page.

−	8. ~~Draws~~ a ~~horizontal line~~.	+	8. Creates a level 2 heading with "Text of" plus the name of the article.
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		+	9. Sets a sort key through the "sortkey" variable, which is forced into first letter uppercase, just to be safe.

	==Discussion==		==Discussion==

M. Lucretius Agricola: document the template

2007-08-29T09:58:11Z

document the template

New page

==What this does and how to use it==

1. It puts the languagebar on the top of the page. But I am not sure we really want to do this. Discussion?

2. It adds the article to [[:Category:Leges (Nova Roma)]].

3. It blocks the TOC, but then the TOC shouldn't appear until the fourth heading is included. This can be overridden in the article, but it seems best to suppress them by default as in most cases the articles are short.

4. Creates a "Status" section.

The variable "status" can take these values:

C, c, current, F, f, 1 all result in "IN FORCE"

R, r, repealed, 2 all result in "REPEALED" and place the item in [[:Category:Repealed leges (Nova Roma)]]

L, l, lapsed, 3 all result in "LAPSED" and place the article in [[:Category:Lapsed leges (Nova Roma)]]

No value or anything else result in "Uncertain" and place the article in [[:Category:Leges needing attention (Nova Roma)]]}}'''

5. Creates a "History" section.

The variable "result" can take these values:

A, a, P, p, approved, 1 all result in an "Approved by" message.

R, r, rejected, 2 all result in a "Rejected by" message.

"Approved by" and "Rejected by" also get a comitia from the "com" variable and a voting record from "yes" "no" and "abs" variables.

V, v, vetoed, 3 all result in a "Vetoed before voting in" message plus the comitia name.

W, w, withdrawn, 4 all result in a "Withdrawn before voting in" message plus the comitia name.

Nothing or anything else result in "Uncertain" and placement in [[:Category:Leges needing attention

6. The date is added from the "when" variable. Note that this variable may contain other templates, specifically date templates. For date templates see the help files.

7. Creates a "commentary" section containing the message "Commentary is not part of the lex and should be placed on the discussion page. It automatically creates a link to each article's talk page.

8. Draws a horizontal line.

==Discussion==

This one template does the work of seven or so old templates. It simplifies the work of changing status and it handles category membership automatically. This will prevent a law from stating one status but appearing in the category proper to a different status.

This template makes it a preference to display information in normal article format, not in the idiosyncratic box format. The box format used a table layout device, which is a deprecated mechanism and not reliable across browsers. This is especially true for persons with impaired vision and most particularly true for persons using screen readers. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 11:58, 29 August 2007 (CEST)