Talk:The Fimbria controversies (Nova Roma) - Revision history

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: Aquila special?

2007-09-03T17:36:39Z

Aquila special?

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	::::I don't suppose there could be a list just for magistrates' oaths, could there? Or some other way to handle them...say, by publication in a special ''Aquila'' issue, sent to all citizens and containing nothing but oaths? There is precedent for 'procedural' lists; there's one just for censorial ''nota'' hearings (though, strangely, neither of the current censors has access). It's crazy to hold back that much information for something that comes in batches of a few dozen just once or twice a year. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 07:47, 3 September 2007 (CEST)		::::I don't suppose there could be a list just for magistrates' oaths, could there? Or some other way to handle them...say, by publication in a special ''Aquila'' issue, sent to all citizens and containing nothing but oaths? There is precedent for 'procedural' lists; there's one just for censorial ''nota'' hearings (though, strangely, neither of the current censors has access). It's crazy to hold back that much information for something that comes in batches of a few dozen just once or twice a year. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 07:47, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
	:::::Be careful. If you ask for another mailing list you might get ten. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 08:14, 3 September 2007 (CEST)		:::::Be careful. If you ask for another mailing list you might get ten. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 08:14, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
		+	::::::I like the ''Aquila'' idea better, actually; something about the durability and "officialness" of print... -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:36, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

	==Nota==		==Nota==

M. Lucretius Agricola: /* Links to Main List */ agree but there is no fix available

2007-09-03T06:14:57Z

Links to Main List: agree but there is no fix available

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	::::I don't suppose there could be a list just for magistrates' oaths, could there? Or some other way to handle them...say, by publication in a special ''Aquila'' issue, sent to all citizens and containing nothing but oaths? There is precedent for 'procedural' lists; there's one just for censorial ''nota'' hearings (though, strangely, neither of the current censors has access). It's crazy to hold back that much information for something that comes in batches of a few dozen just once or twice a year. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 07:47, 3 September 2007 (CEST)		::::I don't suppose there could be a list just for magistrates' oaths, could there? Or some other way to handle them...say, by publication in a special ''Aquila'' issue, sent to all citizens and containing nothing but oaths? There is precedent for 'procedural' lists; there's one just for censorial ''nota'' hearings (though, strangely, neither of the current censors has access). It's crazy to hold back that much information for something that comes in batches of a few dozen just once or twice a year. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 07:47, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
		+	:::::Be careful. If you ask for another mailing list you might get ten. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 08:14, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

	==Nota==		==Nota==

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: responsum; ideas

2007-09-03T05:47:45Z

responsum; ideas

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	::I will grow wings and a tail before I remove anyone else's links to '''any''' working resource. I just want them to work for everyone; otherwise the painstaking work of locating the resource will yield no benefit for those not already in a position to read the posts themselves...be they readers or researchers. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]]		::I will grow wings and a tail before I remove anyone else's links to '''any''' working resource. I just want them to work for everyone; otherwise the painstaking work of locating the resource will yield no benefit for those not already in a position to read the posts themselves...be they readers or researchers. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]]
	:::I still find it distasteful that needed records are kept away from public view. However it was pointed out on NRWiki that magistrates must disclose their macronational names in oaths of office, hence all the privacy; it keeps their names from being harvested. I don't think there is much risk, but it is a rationale, and seemingly the one in use. Therefore I expect the ML archives to remain closed to the public, maybe forever. Perhaps helpful editors, seeing these links, will import short bits of relevant material and integrate it into the article. No macronational names and as much as is covered by fair use. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 06:06, 3 September 2007 (CEST)		:::I still find it distasteful that needed records are kept away from public view. However it was pointed out on NRWiki that magistrates must disclose their macronational names in oaths of office, hence all the privacy; it keeps their names from being harvested. I don't think there is much risk, but it is a rationale, and seemingly the one in use. Therefore I expect the ML archives to remain closed to the public, maybe forever. Perhaps helpful editors, seeing these links, will import short bits of relevant material and integrate it into the article. No macronational names and as much as is covered by fair use. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 06:06, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	::::I don't suppose there could be a list just for magistrates' oaths, could there? Or some other way to handle them...say, by publication in a special ''Aquila'' issue, sent to all citizens and containing nothing but oaths? There is precedent for 'procedural' lists; there's one just for censorial ''nota'' hearings (though, strangely, neither of the current censors has access). It's crazy to hold back that much information for something that comes in batches of a few dozen just once or twice a year. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 07:47, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

	==Nota==		==Nota==

M. Lucretius Agricola: /* Links to Main List */ ML archives prob will stay closed

2007-09-03T04:06:10Z

Links to Main List: ML archives prob will stay closed

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	:I find it an outrage that the ML is set this way, but it is up to the praetors and it may change from time to time, so let any links stand, please. If the ML setting change the links will work for all. If the ML stays restricted, people need only subscribe to make them work. It isn't a pretty situation, but that is the best we can do. It is important to keep the links. I want to stress that: please keep the links to ML posts. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:19, 29 August 2007 (CEST)		:I find it an outrage that the ML is set this way, but it is up to the praetors and it may change from time to time, so let any links stand, please. If the ML setting change the links will work for all. If the ML stays restricted, people need only subscribe to make them work. It isn't a pretty situation, but that is the best we can do. It is important to keep the links. I want to stress that: please keep the links to ML posts. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:19, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
	::I will grow wings and a tail before I remove anyone else's links to '''any''' working resource. I just want them to work for everyone; otherwise the painstaking work of locating the resource will yield no benefit for those not already in a position to read the posts themselves...be they readers or researchers. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]]		::I will grow wings and a tail before I remove anyone else's links to '''any''' working resource. I just want them to work for everyone; otherwise the painstaking work of locating the resource will yield no benefit for those not already in a position to read the posts themselves...be they readers or researchers. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]]
		+	:::I still find it distasteful that needed records are kept away from public view. However it was pointed out on NRWiki that magistrates must disclose their macronational names in oaths of office, hence all the privacy; it keeps their names from being harvested. I don't think there is much risk, but it is a rationale, and seemingly the one in use. Therefore I expect the ML archives to remain closed to the public, maybe forever. Perhaps helpful editors, seeing these links, will import short bits of relevant material and integrate it into the article. No macronational names and as much as is covered by fair use. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 06:06, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

	==Nota==		==Nota==

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: vow

2007-08-29T03:06:13Z

vow

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	Umm...any links to messages on the NR Main List will only work if one is a subscriber. Replicating the text here is one good solution, but beyond my physical capability; or the list owners could change the group settings so that the message archives are no longer "Members Only". (The list archives were public when I was Curator Sermonem; apparently that's changed?) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:10, 28 August 2007 (CEST)		Umm...any links to messages on the NR Main List will only work if one is a subscriber. Replicating the text here is one good solution, but beyond my physical capability; or the list owners could change the group settings so that the message archives are no longer "Members Only". (The list archives were public when I was Curator Sermonem; apparently that's changed?) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:10, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
	:I find it an outrage that the ML is set this way, but it is up to the praetors and it may change from time to time, so let any links stand, please. If the ML setting change the links will work for all. If the ML stays restricted, people need only subscribe to make them work. It isn't a pretty situation, but that is the best we can do. It is important to keep the links. I want to stress that: please keep the links to ML posts. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:19, 29 August 2007 (CEST)		:I find it an outrage that the ML is set this way, but it is up to the praetors and it may change from time to time, so let any links stand, please. If the ML setting change the links will work for all. If the ML stays restricted, people need only subscribe to make them work. It isn't a pretty situation, but that is the best we can do. It is important to keep the links. I want to stress that: please keep the links to ML posts. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:19, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
		+	::I will grow wings and a tail before I remove anyone else's links to '''any''' working resource. I just want them to work for everyone; otherwise the painstaking work of locating the resource will yield no benefit for those not already in a position to read the posts themselves...be they readers or researchers. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]]

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M. Lucretius Agricola: /* Links to Main List */ please keep links anyway

2007-08-29T02:19:41Z

Links to Main List: please keep links anyway

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	Umm...any links to messages on the NR Main List will only work if one is a subscriber. Replicating the text here is one good solution, but beyond my physical capability; or the list owners could change the group settings so that the message archives are no longer "Members Only". (The list archives were public when I was Curator Sermonem; apparently that's changed?) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:10, 28 August 2007 (CEST)		Umm...any links to messages on the NR Main List will only work if one is a subscriber. Replicating the text here is one good solution, but beyond my physical capability; or the list owners could change the group settings so that the message archives are no longer "Members Only". (The list archives were public when I was Curator Sermonem; apparently that's changed?) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:10, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
		+	:I find it an outrage that the ML is set this way, but it is up to the praetors and it may change from time to time, so let any links stand, please. If the ML setting change the links will work for all. If the ML stays restricted, people need only subscribe to make them work. It isn't a pretty situation, but that is the best we can do. It is important to keep the links. I want to stress that: please keep the links to ML posts. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:19, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

	==Nota==		==Nota==

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: links to ML?

2007-08-28T18:10:18Z

links to ML?

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	:Putting reference links in their own section is a good idea. However, I think the APA link will need to stay where it is. It is vital that the reader understand what "transgender" means before continuing on to what happened to that one individual that one time. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 10:18, 13 August 2007 (CEST)		:Putting reference links in their own section is a good idea. However, I think the APA link will need to stay where it is. It is vital that the reader understand what "transgender" means before continuing on to what happened to that one individual that one time. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 10:18, 13 August 2007 (CEST)

−	::Umm...any links to messages on the NR Main List will only work if one is a subscriber. Replicating the text here is one good solution; or the list owners could change the group settings so that the message archives are no longer "Members Only". (The list archives were public when I was Curator Sermonem; apparently that's changed?) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 05:23, 15 August 2007 (CEST)	+	==Links to Main List==
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		+	Umm...any links to messages on the NR Main List will only work if one is a subscriber. Replicating the text here is one good solution, but beyond my physical capability; or the list owners could change the group settings so that the message archives are no longer "Members Only". (The list archives were public when I was Curator Sermonem; apparently that's changed?) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:10, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

	==Nota==		==Nota==

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: wording

2007-08-18T18:02:07Z

wording

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	:::A wise approach. I don't want to trust only memory for the detailed portion. I spent my first four years away from Nova Roma trying to ''forget'' as much of this matter as I could. (I'm only here now on psychiatric clearance.) That's why I've been looking for my paper records...and patiently recovering data from my old 386 Laptop. When that's been done, I'll have the Nota, the Main List postings, and everything else. But it'll be a while. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:02, 11 August 2007 (CEST)		:::A wise approach. I don't want to trust only memory for the detailed portion. I spent my first four years away from Nova Roma trying to ''forget'' as much of this matter as I could. (I'm only here now on psychiatric clearance.) That's why I've been looking for my paper records...and patiently recovering data from my old 386 Laptop. When that's been done, I'll have the Nota, the Main List postings, and everything else. But it'll be a while. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:02, 11 August 2007 (CEST)

−	:::Y2K: All of this happened, in pretty close to this order; however, the chronology is ~~only tentative~~. A definitive account must await other minds as well as the further recovery and perusal of my printed and e-mail records. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:59, 17 August 2007 (CEST)	+	:::'''Y2K:''' All of this happened, in pretty close to this order; however, the chronology is still being solidified. A definitive account must await other minds as well as the further recovery and perusal of my printed and e-mail records. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:59, 17 August 2007 (CEST)

	:I like the year templates; I just don't know how to invoke them myself. You're correct, they do contribute to the neutrality of tone. Perhaps I should just provide such raw materials as I have, encourage interested others to do the same, then let the Wiki wizards take over the formatting...? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 10:18, 13 August 2007 (CEST)		:I like the year templates; I just don't know how to invoke them myself. You're correct, they do contribute to the neutrality of tone. Perhaps I should just provide such raw materials as I have, encourage interested others to do the same, then let the Wiki wizards take over the formatting...? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 10:18, 13 August 2007 (CEST)

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: Names?

2007-08-18T06:21:14Z

Names?

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	:::In the long run we are going to have to have a disambiguation page for [[Iuno]]. Your correction should stand here, though, as correct linking is better than linking to a disambiguation page. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 06:03, 11 August 2007 (CEST)		:::In the long run we are going to have to have a disambiguation page for [[Iuno]]. Your correction should stand here, though, as correct linking is better than linking to a disambiguation page. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 06:03, 11 August 2007 (CEST)
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		+	==Format of names==
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		+	What do I do with the names? It'd be cumbersome to roll out "Lucius Marius Fimbria", ''exempla gratia,'' every single time he is mentioned (and he's got the ''shortest'' name of any of the principals! <g>); what is the practice here, for readability and variety? (For now I've used the full name on the first mention; either ''praenomen-nomen'' or ''nomen-cognomen'' the second time; and ''cognomen'' only for the remainder of the piece.) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 08:21, 18 August 2007 (CEST)

	==Chronology and Formatting==		==Chronology and Formatting==

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: order of events

2007-08-17T18:59:45Z

order of events

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	:::A wise approach. I don't want to trust only memory for the detailed portion. I spent my first four years away from Nova Roma trying to ''forget'' as much of this matter as I could. (I'm only here now on psychiatric clearance.) That's why I've been looking for my paper records...and patiently recovering data from my old 386 Laptop. When that's been done, I'll have the Nota, the Main List postings, and everything else. But it'll be a while. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:02, 11 August 2007 (CEST)		:::A wise approach. I don't want to trust only memory for the detailed portion. I spent my first four years away from Nova Roma trying to ''forget'' as much of this matter as I could. (I'm only here now on psychiatric clearance.) That's why I've been looking for my paper records...and patiently recovering data from my old 386 Laptop. When that's been done, I'll have the Nota, the Main List postings, and everything else. But it'll be a while. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:02, 11 August 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:::Y2K: All of this happened, in pretty close to this order; however, the chronology is only tentative. A definitive account must await other minds as well as the further recovery and perusal of my printed and e-mail records. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:59, 17 August 2007 (CEST)

	:I like the year templates; I just don't know how to invoke them myself. You're correct, they do contribute to the neutrality of tone. Perhaps I should just provide such raw materials as I have, encourage interested others to do the same, then let the Wiki wizards take over the formatting...? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 10:18, 13 August 2007 (CEST)		:I like the year templates; I just don't know how to invoke them myself. You're correct, they do contribute to the neutrality of tone. Perhaps I should just provide such raw materials as I have, encourage interested others to do the same, then let the Wiki wizards take over the formatting...? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 10:18, 13 August 2007 (CEST)

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	:::A wise approach. I don't want to trust only memory for the detailed portion. I spent my first four years away from Nova Roma trying to ''forget'' as much of this matter as I could. (I'm only here now on psychiatric clearance.) That's why I've been looking for my paper records...and patiently recovering data from my old 386 Laptop. When that's been done, I'll have the Nota, the Main List postings, and everything else. But it'll be a while. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:02, 11 August 2007 (CEST)		:::A wise approach. I don't want to trust only memory for the detailed portion. I spent my first four years away from Nova Roma trying to ''forget'' as much of this matter as I could. (I'm only here now on psychiatric clearance.) That's why I've been looking for my paper records...and patiently recovering data from my old 386 Laptop. When that's been done, I'll have the Nota, the Main List postings, and everything else. But it'll be a while. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:02, 11 August 2007 (CEST)

−	:::Y2K: All of this happened, in pretty close to this order; however, the chronology is ~~only tentative~~. A definitive account must await other minds as well as the further recovery and perusal of my printed and e-mail records. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:59, 17 August 2007 (CEST)	+	:::'''Y2K:''' All of this happened, in pretty close to this order; however, the chronology is still being solidified. A definitive account must await other minds as well as the further recovery and perusal of my printed and e-mail records. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:59, 17 August 2007 (CEST)

	:I like the year templates; I just don't know how to invoke them myself. You're correct, they do contribute to the neutrality of tone. Perhaps I should just provide such raw materials as I have, encourage interested others to do the same, then let the Wiki wizards take over the formatting...? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 10:18, 13 August 2007 (CEST)		:I like the year templates; I just don't know how to invoke them myself. You're correct, they do contribute to the neutrality of tone. Perhaps I should just provide such raw materials as I have, encourage interested others to do the same, then let the Wiki wizards take over the formatting...? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 10:18, 13 August 2007 (CEST)

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	:::A wise approach. I don't want to trust only memory for the detailed portion. I spent my first four years away from Nova Roma trying to ''forget'' as much of this matter as I could. (I'm only here now on psychiatric clearance.) That's why I've been looking for my paper records...and patiently recovering data from my old 386 Laptop. When that's been done, I'll have the Nota, the Main List postings, and everything else. But it'll be a while. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:02, 11 August 2007 (CEST)		:::A wise approach. I don't want to trust only memory for the detailed portion. I spent my first four years away from Nova Roma trying to ''forget'' as much of this matter as I could. (I'm only here now on psychiatric clearance.) That's why I've been looking for my paper records...and patiently recovering data from my old 386 Laptop. When that's been done, I'll have the Nota, the Main List postings, and everything else. But it'll be a while. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:02, 11 August 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:::Y2K: All of this happened, in pretty close to this order; however, the chronology is only tentative. A definitive account must await other minds as well as the further recovery and perusal of my printed and e-mail records. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:59, 17 August 2007 (CEST)

	:I like the year templates; I just don't know how to invoke them myself. You're correct, they do contribute to the neutrality of tone. Perhaps I should just provide such raw materials as I have, encourage interested others to do the same, then let the Wiki wizards take over the formatting...? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 10:18, 13 August 2007 (CEST)		:I like the year templates; I just don't know how to invoke them myself. You're correct, they do contribute to the neutrality of tone. Perhaps I should just provide such raw materials as I have, encourage interested others to do the same, then let the Wiki wizards take over the formatting...? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 10:18, 13 August 2007 (CEST)