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Aldus Marius Peregrinus: titles s'more

2008-01-25T05:09:40Z

titles s'more

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	::Many hands make light work. Can we recruit some of the "Muses" members to work on these? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 07:37, 20 November 2007 (CET)		::Many hands make light work. Can we recruit some of the "Muses" members to work on these? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 07:37, 20 November 2007 (CET)
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		+	==Title s'more==
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		+	(Starting a new section to make it easier for WikiListers and others to jump in...)
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		+	OK, so far we've got:
		+	*Myth(s)/Mythology
		+	*Core narrative
		+	*Legends/Legends of Rome
		+	*[Something] stories (''didactic, hortative, edifying,'' and ''exemplary'' have been offered so far)
		+	*"Stories that inspired many generations of Romans" (included for completeness' sake)
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		+	Besides these, I can add:
		+	*Oral tradition (these are the stories a young Roman would learn on his ''tutor'''s knee)
		+	*Hero tales
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		+	Anyone else...? -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 06:09, 25 January 2008 (CET) >({\|:-)

M. Lucretius Agricola: /* About these narratives */ a couple short answers

2007-11-20T06:37:22Z

About these narratives: a couple short answers

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	:Would 'interpretations through time' include the use and abuse of the stories by various Romans to support different sides in political / cultural / ideological conflicts?		:Would 'interpretations through time' include the use and abuse of the stories by various Romans to support different sides in political / cultural / ideological conflicts?
	:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 19:06, 10 September 2007 (CEST)		:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 19:06, 10 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:: I don't see why not. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 07:37, 20 November 2007 (CET)

	:I've been thinking long and hard about this since it was posted. I wonder if, with this as with all the "red links" (pages created but not actually written), we are making more work for ourselves than we can reasonably expect to deliver? Specific to this project, I'd like to help you with the stories...but I honestly can't provide more than the narrative and ''possibly'' sources/variants. If I had to do the rest I'd throw up my hands and say I don't have enough years left to live! My thought was just to get the tales up there, told as much to entertain as to enlighten. I'm afraid I'd have to leave it to others to analyse them. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 21:19, 10 September 2007 (CEST)		:I've been thinking long and hard about this since it was posted. I wonder if, with this as with all the "red links" (pages created but not actually written), we are making more work for ourselves than we can reasonably expect to deliver? Specific to this project, I'd like to help you with the stories...but I honestly can't provide more than the narrative and ''possibly'' sources/variants. If I had to do the rest I'd throw up my hands and say I don't have enough years left to live! My thought was just to get the tales up there, told as much to entertain as to enlighten. I'm afraid I'd have to leave it to others to analyse them. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 21:19, 10 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	::Many hands make light work. Can we recruit some of the "Muses" members to work on these? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 07:37, 20 November 2007 (CET)

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: Too much like work?

2007-09-10T19:19:53Z

Too much like work?

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	:Would 'interpretations through time' include the use and abuse of the stories by various Romans to support different sides in political / cultural / ideological conflicts?		:Would 'interpretations through time' include the use and abuse of the stories by various Romans to support different sides in political / cultural / ideological conflicts?
	:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 19:06, 10 September 2007 (CEST)		:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 19:06, 10 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:I've been thinking long and hard about this since it was posted. I wonder if, with this as with all the "red links" (pages created but not actually written), we are making more work for ourselves than we can reasonably expect to deliver? Specific to this project, I'd like to help you with the stories...but I honestly can't provide more than the narrative and ''possibly'' sources/variants. If I had to do the rest I'd throw up my hands and say I don't have enough years left to live! My thought was just to get the tales up there, told as much to entertain as to enlighten. I'm afraid I'd have to leave it to others to analyse them. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 21:19, 10 September 2007 (CEST)

Aulus Apollonius Cordus: /* About these narratives */ Ideological use of stories?

2007-09-10T17:06:40Z

About these narratives: Ideological use of stories?

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	What else should we include? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 01:38, 7 September 2007 (CEST)		What else should we include? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 01:38, 7 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:Would 'interpretations through time' include the use and abuse of the stories by various Romans to support different sides in political / cultural / ideological conflicts?
		+	:- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 19:06, 10 September 2007 (CEST)

M. Lucretius Agricola: suggest content for narrative arts

2007-09-06T23:38:20Z

suggest content for narrative arts

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	:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)		:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
	::I can see that becoming one section of a complete treatment of Livy. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)		::I can see that becoming one section of a complete treatment of Livy. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	==About these narratives==
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		+	This is what I think the narrative articles should cover (not inclusive):
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		+	*Tell the narrative
		+	*Discuss the sources and variants
		+	*Discuss interpretations through time
		+	*Impact in art and literature
		+	**Cite instances in Roman art
		+	**Cite instances in later art/lit.
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		+	What else should we include? [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 01:38, 7 September 2007 (CEST)

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: Merge OK; the Storyteller's offer

2007-09-06T04:51:23Z

Merge OK; the Storyteller's offer

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	::Yikes! And it was me who carried it over, so long ago. They need to be merged. Back in the day, we had no idea of the cat structure, so it was just left hanging there. Good find! [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)		::Yikes! And it was me who carried it over, so long ago. They need to be merged. Back in the day, we had no idea of the cat structure, so it was just left hanging there. Good find! [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
	:::OK I think I did an OK merge. Can we mark the older page for deletion? It has no history and no talk. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:46, 6 September 2007 (CEST)		:::OK I think I did an OK merge. Can we mark the older page for deletion? It has no history and no talk. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:46, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
		+	::::Merge looks good. Sit tight; when I get back I may help you with some of the stories. >({\|:-) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 06:51, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

	:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)		:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
	::I can see that becoming one section of a complete treatment of Livy. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)		::I can see that becoming one section of a complete treatment of Livy. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

M. Lucretius Agricola: merge done

2007-09-06T02:46:35Z

merge done

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	:We have a [[Legends of Rome]] page, ported over from the old site; it covers the same material and offers the same explanation as to why another term might be preferable to "myth". Would "legends" work? (Would the Legends ''page'' work?)		:We have a [[Legends of Rome]] page, ported over from the old site; it covers the same material and offers the same explanation as to why another term might be preferable to "myth". Would "legends" work? (Would the Legends ''page'' work?)
	::Yikes! And it was me who carried it over, so long ago. They need to be merged. Back in the day, we had no idea of the cat structure, so it was just left hanging there. Good find! [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)		::Yikes! And it was me who carried it over, so long ago. They need to be merged. Back in the day, we had no idea of the cat structure, so it was just left hanging there. Good find! [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
		+	:::OK I think I did an OK merge. Can we mark the older page for deletion? It has no history and no talk. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:46, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

	:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)		:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
	::I can see that becoming one section of a complete treatment of Livy. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)		::I can see that becoming one section of a complete treatment of Livy. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

M. Lucretius Agricola: answer Peregrinus

2007-09-06T02:37:48Z

answer Peregrinus

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	:We have a [[Legends of Rome]] page, ported over from the old site; it covers the same material and offers the same explanation as to why another term might be preferable to "myth". Would "legends" work? (Would the Legends ''page'' work?)		:We have a [[Legends of Rome]] page, ported over from the old site; it covers the same material and offers the same explanation as to why another term might be preferable to "myth". Would "legends" work? (Would the Legends ''page'' work?)
		+	::Yikes! And it was me who carried it over, so long ago. They need to be merged. Back in the day, we had no idea of the cat structure, so it was just left hanging there. Good find! [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

	:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)		:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
		+	::I can see that becoming one section of a complete treatment of Livy. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: Legends of Rome?

2007-09-05T17:01:08Z

Legends of Rome?

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	::Hmm, I see. Yes, 'mythology' could make the scope too broad. Your seven-word suggestion is, I agree, a bit long, but from a search-box point of view it would be good to find a title which includes the word "stories" (or would it have to be "story"?). I'm thinking of some phrase such as "didactic stories", "hortative stories", or "edifying stories", but those are not very clear. Maybe "exemplary stories"?		::Hmm, I see. Yes, 'mythology' could make the scope too broad. Your seven-word suggestion is, I agree, a bit long, but from a search-box point of view it would be good to find a title which includes the word "stories" (or would it have to be "story"?). I'm thinking of some phrase such as "didactic stories", "hortative stories", or "edifying stories", but those are not very clear. Maybe "exemplary stories"?
	::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 16:16, 5 September 2007 (CEST)		::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 16:16, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:We have a [[Legends of Rome]] page, ported over from the old site; it covers the same material and offers the same explanation as to why another term might be preferable to "myth". Would "legends" work? (Would the Legends ''page'' work?)
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		+	:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)

Aulus Apollonius Cordus: Reply to Agricola.

2007-09-05T14:16:53Z

Reply to Agricola.

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	:But you are right to think about the search box issue. Redirects are possible, of course. I think I would oppose "Stories that inspired many generations of Romans", not because it fails to be descriptive, but because it is not likely to be a useful link. <G> [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:53, 5 September 2007 (CEST)		:But you are right to think about the search box issue. Redirects are possible, of course. I think I would oppose "Stories that inspired many generations of Romans", not because it fails to be descriptive, but because it is not likely to be a useful link. <G> [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:53, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
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		+	::Hmm, I see. Yes, 'mythology' could make the scope too broad. Your seven-word suggestion is, I agree, a bit long, but from a search-box point of view it would be good to find a title which includes the word "stories" (or would it have to be "story"?). I'm thinking of some phrase such as "didactic stories", "hortative stories", or "edifying stories", but those are not very clear. Maybe "exemplary stories"?
		+	::- [[User:Aulus Apollonius Cordus\|Cordus]] 16:16, 5 September 2007 (CEST)

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	::Yikes! And it was me who carried it over, so long ago. They need to be merged. Back in the day, we had no idea of the cat structure, so it was just left hanging there. Good find! [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)		::Yikes! And it was me who carried it over, so long ago. They need to be merged. Back in the day, we had no idea of the cat structure, so it was just left hanging there. Good find! [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
	:::OK I think I did an OK merge. Can we mark the older page for deletion? It has no history and no talk. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:46, 6 September 2007 (CEST)		:::OK I think I did an OK merge. Can we mark the older page for deletion? It has no history and no talk. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:46, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
		+	::::Merge looks good. Sit tight; when I get back I may help you with some of the stories. >({\|:-) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 06:51, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

	:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)		:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
	::I can see that becoming one section of a complete treatment of Livy. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)		::I can see that becoming one section of a complete treatment of Livy. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

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	:We have a [[Legends of Rome]] page, ported over from the old site; it covers the same material and offers the same explanation as to why another term might be preferable to "myth". Would "legends" work? (Would the Legends ''page'' work?)		:We have a [[Legends of Rome]] page, ported over from the old site; it covers the same material and offers the same explanation as to why another term might be preferable to "myth". Would "legends" work? (Would the Legends ''page'' work?)
	::Yikes! And it was me who carried it over, so long ago. They need to be merged. Back in the day, we had no idea of the cat structure, so it was just left hanging there. Good find! [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)		::Yikes! And it was me who carried it over, so long ago. They need to be merged. Back in the day, we had no idea of the cat structure, so it was just left hanging there. Good find! [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)
		+	:::OK I think I did an OK merge. Can we mark the older page for deletion? It has no history and no talk. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:46, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

	:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)		:Also, my [[Titus Livius]] piece isn't really an article so much as an essay. It, too, describes the unifying influence of such stories and the insight they give us into the Roman mind and ideal. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 19:01, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
	::I can see that becoming one section of a complete treatment of Livy. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)		::I can see that becoming one section of a complete treatment of Livy. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:37, 6 September 2007 (CEST)