http://www.novaroma.org/vici/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3ACato%27s_Calendar_Commentary_%28Nova_Roma%29Talk:Cato's Calendar Commentary (Nova Roma) - Revision history2026-04-30T01:08:27ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.17.0http://www.novaroma.org/vici/index.php?title=Talk:Cato%27s_Calendar_Commentary_(Nova_Roma)&diff=13119&oldid=prevAulus Apollonius Cordus: 'Hodie est' - tentative answer2007-06-16T16:45:21Z<p>'Hodie est' - tentative answer</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>I'm pretty sure that "hodie est..." is wrong. ''hodie'' is an adverb, not a noun, so it cannot take the subject spot. I sustect that ''hodiernus dies est...'' would satisfy the grammar. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 11:37, 11 June 2007 (CEST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>I'm pretty sure that "hodie est..." is wrong. ''hodie'' is an adverb, not a noun, so it cannot take the subject spot. I sustect that ''hodiernus dies est...'' would satisfy the grammar. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 11:37, 11 June 2007 (CEST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:My feeling is that "''hodie est''" is probably okay, since one can read "''est''" in the phrase as "it is", so that "''hodie''" is not the subject noun of the verb but an adverb indicating the time when the action takes place.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:"''Hodiernus''", incidentally, is normally an adjective meaning "modern" or "happening today", so I'm not sure it would really work as the subject of "''est''", if that's what you have in mind.</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Aulus Apollonius Cordushttp://www.novaroma.org/vici/index.php?title=Talk:Cato%27s_Calendar_Commentary_(Nova_Roma)&diff=13097&oldid=prevM. Lucretius Agricola: hodie est question2007-06-11T09:37:55Z<p>hodie est question</p>
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I'm pretty sure that "hodie est..." is wrong. ''hodie'' is an adverb, not a noun, so it cannot take the subject spot. I sustect that ''hodiernus dies est...'' would satisfy the grammar. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola|Agricola]] 11:37, 11 June 2007 (CEST)</div>M. Lucretius Agricola