Talk:Amici dignitatis (Nova Roma) - Revision history

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: 'About the Name' needs to stay on top; it supplements the article itself. [Is this page the right place for it?]

2007-09-08T23:05:34Z

'About the Name' needs to stay on top; it supplements the article itself. [Is this page the right place for it?]

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−	[[Marcus Octavius Gracchus (Nova Roma)\|Marcus Octavius Gracchus]] started [[Amici Dignitatis (Nova Roma)]] quite some time ago. Since it is a proper noun it deserves all caps, in my opinion. Would the editors of this article please consolidate as needed under one of the titles and leave a redirect at the other? If you don't know how to do this, ask me for help. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:07, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
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−	:Done earlier this month. I'd bumped into Octavius' article after commenting Cordus'. I 'ported over the one bit of info that the newer version didn't already have, re-linked the few pages that needed it, and on the 11th I asked him about deleting the older one.
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−	:On the name, we'd never considered ourselves a proper faction or other formal grouping. I'd interpreted ''amici dignitatis'' as a description, used in the same way as, say, "civil-rights activist". (Doesn't mean I'm right, though...) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 05:19, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
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−	::OK then, unless there is an objection here in the next few days I'll convert the old page to a redirect to this one. I suspected that you had taken care of it, but it is good to have the record of the thinking here. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:22, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
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	==About the name==		==About the name==

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	-- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 09:04, 16 July 2007 (CEST)		-- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 09:04, 16 July 2007 (CEST)
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		+	==Duplicate articles==
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		+	[[Marcus Octavius Gracchus (Nova Roma)\|Marcus Octavius Gracchus]] started [[Amici Dignitatis (Nova Roma)]] quite some time ago. Since it is a proper noun it deserves all caps, in my opinion. Would the editors of this article please consolidate as needed under one of the titles and leave a redirect at the other? If you don't know how to do this, ask me for help. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:07, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:Done earlier this month. I'd bumped into Octavius' article after commenting Cordus'. I 'ported over the one bit of info that the newer version didn't already have, re-linked the few pages that needed it, and on the 11th I asked him about deleting the older one.
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		+	:On the name, we'd never considered ourselves a proper faction or other formal grouping. I'd interpreted ''amici dignitatis'' as a description, used in the same way as, say, "civil-rights activist". (Doesn't mean I'm right, though...) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 05:19, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
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		+	::OK then, unless there is an objection here in the next few days I'll convert the old page to a redirect to this one. I suspected that you had taken care of it, but it is good to have the record of the thinking here. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:22, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

	==Ides of March page==		==Ides of March page==

	I have two articles from ''The Eagle'', vol. IV, no. II (April 2001), dealing with the "Ides of March resignations" and presenting both Germanicus' and Formosanus' perspectives on the event. I'm going to put them on the proposed page, [[Ides of March resignations (Nova Roma)]]...but first I'd like to know if that's a good title, or should I put the year in there, or if the community would rather I call it something else. (It's a lot easier to edit the link beforehand than to rename the page afterwards!) <g> -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:32, 28 August 2007 (CEST)		I have two articles from ''The Eagle'', vol. IV, no. II (April 2001), dealing with the "Ides of March resignations" and presenting both Germanicus' and Formosanus' perspectives on the event. I'm going to put them on the proposed page, [[Ides of March resignations (Nova Roma)]]...but first I'd like to know if that's a good title, or should I put the year in there, or if the community would rather I call it something else. (It's a lot easier to edit the link beforehand than to rename the page afterwards!) <g> -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:32, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:No feedback, so...I've created the page as proposed. -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 01:05, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

M. Lucretius Agricola: /* Duplicate articles */ OK, will schedule old page to be redirect here.

2007-08-29T02:22:19Z

Duplicate articles: OK, will schedule old page to be redirect here.

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	:On the name, we'd never considered ourselves a proper faction or other formal grouping. I'd interpreted ''amici dignitatis'' as a description, used in the same way as, say, "civil-rights activist". (Doesn't mean I'm right, though...) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 05:19, 28 August 2007 (CEST)		:On the name, we'd never considered ourselves a proper faction or other formal grouping. I'd interpreted ''amici dignitatis'' as a description, used in the same way as, say, "civil-rights activist". (Doesn't mean I'm right, though...) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 05:19, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
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		+	::OK then, unless there is an objection here in the next few days I'll convert the old page to a redirect to this one. I suspected that you had taken care of it, but it is good to have the record of the thinking here. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:22, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

	==About the name==		==About the name==

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: Ides of March page name?

2007-08-28T18:32:16Z

Ides of March page name?

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	So we wanted, first of all, to redeem the much-abused concept of ''dignitas.'' It is in this sense that we were the "friends of Dignity". We wanted relationships in NR, and between fellow Romans, to not be so lopsided. We wanted NR put on alert that respect has to be earned; that it was to be treated as an honor, not a perk of office. A just-plain-Civis could have enormous ''dignitas;'' a magistrate might not. This was one way to keep the magistrates from getting high-handed, and one way for "Roma Reborn" to be a fulfilling experience for Her rank-and-file. There had to be something for us; it did not seem to us that any non-Senator, non-magistrate had any other voice in those early years.		So we wanted, first of all, to redeem the much-abused concept of ''dignitas.'' It is in this sense that we were the "friends of Dignity". We wanted relationships in NR, and between fellow Romans, to not be so lopsided. We wanted NR put on alert that respect has to be earned; that it was to be treated as an honor, not a perk of office. A just-plain-Civis could have enormous ''dignitas;'' a magistrate might not. This was one way to keep the magistrates from getting high-handed, and one way for "Roma Reborn" to be a fulfilling experience for Her rank-and-file. There had to be something for us; it did not seem to us that any non-Senator, non-magistrate had any other voice in those early years.
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	-- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 09:04, 16 July 2007 (CEST)		-- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 09:04, 16 July 2007 (CEST)
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		+	==Ides of March page==
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		+	I have two articles from ''The Eagle'', vol. IV, no. II (April 2001), dealing with the "Ides of March resignations" and presenting both Germanicus' and Formosanus' perspectives on the event. I'm going to put them on the proposed page, [[Ides of March resignations (Nova Roma)]]...but first I'd like to know if that's a good title, or should I put the year in there, or if the community would rather I call it something else. (It's a lot easier to edit the link beforehand than to rename the page afterwards!) <g> -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 20:32, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: caps [consistency]

2007-08-28T03:22:40Z

caps [consistency]

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	==About the name==		==About the name==

−	The origin of the name ''~~Amici Dignitatis~~'' could be of some interest. It wasn't exactly "Friends of Dignity" the way a modern would interpret the phrase. Rather, it--like the group itself--was a reaction to the perceived attitudes, as much as the actions, of Nova Roma's senior magistrates over the year or so previous. Many of them had rationalized their harrassment of us by claiming it was done in defence of their ''dignitas,'' defined by them as their public standing and the measure of respect they felt they were owed.	+	The origin of the name ''amici dignitatis'' could be of some interest. It wasn't exactly "Friends of Dignity" the way a modern would interpret the phrase. Rather, it--like the group itself--was a reaction to the perceived attitudes, as much as the actions, of Nova Roma's senior magistrates over the year or so previous. Many of them had rationalized their harrassment of us by claiming it was done in defence of their ''dignitas,'' defined by them as their public standing and the measure of respect they felt they were owed.

	This concept was a non-starter with us: we held that true ''dignitas'' is a thing freely given by a Roman community, a thing to be earned, not something you could demand from others or claim for yourself. As in the early Church, "It was there [Berea, iirc] that they were first ''called'' Christians." I don't call myself an Anything. It is said of me that I am Roman. It is said of, say, Pomponius Atticus that he has ''dignitas.'' Where we go, whatever we do, people react as if these things were true of us. '''That''' is how we know we have it: that we can affect the world the way those with ''dignitas'' or ''auctoritas'' do. It does not come to us for calling it. It certainly does not come to an office-holder just because he proclaims it as his by right.		This concept was a non-starter with us: we held that true ''dignitas'' is a thing freely given by a Roman community, a thing to be earned, not something you could demand from others or claim for yourself. As in the early Church, "It was there [Berea, iirc] that they were first ''called'' Christians." I don't call myself an Anything. It is said of me that I am Roman. It is said of, say, Pomponius Atticus that he has ''dignitas.'' Where we go, whatever we do, people react as if these things were true of us. '''That''' is how we know we have it: that we can affect the world the way those with ''dignitas'' or ''auctoritas'' do. It does not come to us for calling it. It certainly does not come to an office-holder just because he proclaims it as his by right.

−	So we wanted, first of all, to redeem the much-abused concept of ''dignitas.'' It is in this sense that we were the "~~Friends~~ of Dignity". We wanted relationships in NR, and between fellow Romans, to not be so lopsided. We wanted NR put on alert that respect has to be earned; that it was to be treated as an honor, not a perk of office. A just-plain-Civis could have enormous ''dignitas;'' a magistrate might not. This was one way to keep the magistrates from getting high-handed, and one way for "Roma Reborn" to be a fulfilling experience for Her rank-and-file. There had to be something for us; it did not seem to us that any non-Senator, non-magistrate had any other voice in those early years.	+	So we wanted, first of all, to redeem the much-abused concept of ''dignitas.'' It is in this sense that we were the "friends of Dignity". We wanted relationships in NR, and between fellow Romans, to not be so lopsided. We wanted NR put on alert that respect has to be earned; that it was to be treated as an honor, not a perk of office. A just-plain-Civis could have enormous ''dignitas;'' a magistrate might not. This was one way to keep the magistrates from getting high-handed, and one way for "Roma Reborn" to be a fulfilling experience for Her rank-and-file. There had to be something for us; it did not seem to us that any non-Senator, non-magistrate had any other voice in those early years.


	-- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 09:04, 16 July 2007 (CEST)		-- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 09:04, 16 July 2007 (CEST)

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: did consolidation; caps?

2007-08-28T03:19:05Z

did consolidation; caps?

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	[[Marcus Octavius Gracchus (Nova Roma)\|Marcus Octavius Gracchus]] started [[Amici Dignitatis (Nova Roma)]] quite some time ago. Since it is a proper noun it deserves all caps, in my opinion. Would the editors of this article please consolidate as needed under one of the titles and leave a redirect at the other? If you don't know how to do this, ask me for help. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:07, 28 August 2007 (CEST)		[[Marcus Octavius Gracchus (Nova Roma)\|Marcus Octavius Gracchus]] started [[Amici Dignitatis (Nova Roma)]] quite some time ago. Since it is a proper noun it deserves all caps, in my opinion. Would the editors of this article please consolidate as needed under one of the titles and leave a redirect at the other? If you don't know how to do this, ask me for help. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:07, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
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		+	:Done earlier this month. I'd bumped into Octavius' article after commenting Cordus'. I 'ported over the one bit of info that the newer version didn't already have, re-linked the few pages that needed it, and on the 11th I asked him about deleting the older one.
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		+	:On the name, we'd never considered ourselves a proper faction or other formal grouping. I'd interpreted ''amici dignitatis'' as a description, used in the same way as, say, "civil-rights activist". (Doesn't mean I'm right, though...) -- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus\|Marius Peregrinus]] 05:19, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

	==About the name==		==About the name==

M. Lucretius Agricola: Duplicate article

2007-08-28T02:07:09Z

Duplicate article

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		+	[[Marcus Octavius Gracchus (Nova Roma)\|Marcus Octavius Gracchus]] started [[Amici Dignitatis (Nova Roma)]] quite some time ago. Since it is a proper noun it deserves all caps, in my opinion. Would the editors of this article please consolidate as needed under one of the titles and leave a redirect at the other? If you don't know how to do this, ask me for help. [[User:M. Lucretius Agricola\|Agricola]] 04:07, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
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	==About the name==		==About the name==

Aldus Marius Peregrinus: Origin of name 'Amici Dignitatis'

2007-07-16T07:04:52Z

Origin of name 'Amici Dignitatis'

New page

==About the name==

The origin of the name ''Amici Dignitatis'' could be of some interest. It wasn't exactly "Friends of Dignity" the way a modern would interpret the phrase. Rather, it--like the group itself--was a reaction to the perceived attitudes, as much as the actions, of Nova Roma's senior magistrates over the year or so previous. Many of them had rationalized their harrassment of us by claiming it was done in defence of their ''dignitas,'' defined by them as their public standing and the measure of respect they felt they were owed.

This concept was a non-starter with us: we held that true ''dignitas'' is a thing freely given by a Roman community, a thing to be earned, not something you could demand from others or claim for yourself. As in the early Church, "It was there [Berea, iirc] that they were first ''called'' Christians." I don't call myself an Anything. It is said of me that I am Roman. It is said of, say, Pomponius Atticus that he has ''dignitas.'' Where we go, whatever we do, people react as if these things were true of us. '''That''' is how we know we have it: that we can affect the world the way those with ''dignitas'' or ''auctoritas'' do. It does not come to us for calling it. It certainly does not come to an office-holder just because he proclaims it as his by right.

So we wanted, first of all, to redeem the much-abused concept of ''dignitas.'' It is in this sense that we were the "Friends of Dignity". We wanted relationships in NR, and between fellow Romans, to not be so lopsided. We wanted NR put on alert that respect has to be earned; that it was to be treated as an honor, not a perk of office. A just-plain-Civis could have enormous ''dignitas;'' a magistrate might not. This was one way to keep the magistrates from getting high-handed, and one way for "Roma Reborn" to be a fulfilling experience for Her rank-and-file. There had to be something for us; it did not seem to us that any non-Senator, non-magistrate had any other voice in those early years.

-- [[User:Aldus Marius Peregrinus|Marius Peregrinus]] 09:04, 16 July 2007 (CEST)