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{{Senate Session|Jan|24|2004}} <br />
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Senate action for 24 January 2757 as posted in the “old Tabularium” <br />
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Censor 10 August 2761 A.V.C.<br />
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Senate Voting Results<br />
Tribunus Plebis Fr. Apulus Caesar Omnibus SPD<br />
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The session of the Senate is closed and the votes have been tallied as follows:<br />
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Formal debate ended on January 24th at 12:30 PM CET. Voting began immediately afterwards and ended on January 28th at 17:20 PM CET. <br />
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The results were officially published by the presiding Consul Gnaeus Salix Astur on the Senate list on January 28th 2757 (01/28/2004).<br />
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The following Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to below by a code composed by their initials:<br />
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CSA - Cn. Salix Astur<br />
CEM - Cn. Equitius Marinus<br />
MOG - M. Octavius Germanicus<br />
LSD - L. Sicinius Drusus<br />
CON - Cn. Octavius Noricus<br />
KFQ - K. Fabius Quintilianus<br />
AICPM - Alexander I.C. Probus Macedonicus<br />
AGG - A. Gryllus Graecus<br />
MAM - M. Arminius Maior<br />
MMA - M. Minucius Audens<br />
PC - Patricia Cassia<br />
TLF - T. Labienus Fortunatus<br />
QFM - Q. Fabius Maximus<br />
DIS - D. Iunius Silanus<br />
FAC - Fr. Apulus Caesar<br />
AMC - Ap. Marcellus Cato<br />
MCI - M. Cassius Iulianus<br />
LSA - L. Sergius Australicus<br />
LEC - L. Equitius Cincinnatus<br />
CMM - C. Marius Merullus<br />
DIP - D. Iunius Palladius<br />
CFD - C. Flavius Diocletianus<br />
LPO - L. Pompeius Octavianus<br />
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Only Senator Lucius Cornelius Sulla failed to vote.<br />
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Remember that "VTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO" is an abstention.<br />
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The overall results are as follow:<br />
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I. Approval of the Lex Labiena de Iure Civium, presented to the Comitia Centuriata a.d. IV Idus Decembris anno MMDCCLVI (December the 8th 2003) by the consul T. Labienus Fortunatus and approved by the Comitia Centuriata a.d. VIII Kal. Ianuariis (December the 25th). [please, visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/18009 if you would read the original text]<br />
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Item I passes with 22 votes in favor (2/3 of the votes of the Senate), 0 opposing and 1 abstentions.<br />
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CSA - VTI ROGAS<br />
CEM - VTI ROGAS<br />
MOG - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSD - VTI ROGAS<br />
CON - VTI ROGAS<br />
KFQ - VTI ROGAS<br />
AICPM - VTI ROGAS<br />
AGG - VTI ROGAS<br />
MAM - VTI ROGAS<br />
MMA - VTI ROGAS<br />
PC - VTI ROGAS<br />
TLF - VTI ROGAS<br />
QFM - VTI ROGAS<br />
DIS - VTI ROGAS<br />
FAC - VTI ROGAS<br />
AMC - VTI ROGAS<br />
MCI - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSA - VTI ROGAS<br />
LEC - VTI ROGAS<br />
CMM - VTI ROGAS<br />
DIP - VTI ROGAS: A long overdue change.<br />
CFD - VTI ROGAS<br />
LPO - ABSTINEO<br />
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II. Approval of the Lex Labiena de Gentibus, presented to the Comitia Centuriata a.d. IV Idus Decembris anno MMDCCLVI (December the 8th 2003) by the consul T. Labienus Fortunatus and approved by the Comitia Centuriata a.d. VIII Kal. Ianuariis (December the 25th). [please, visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/18009 if you would read the original text]<br />
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Item II passes with 18 votes in favor (2/3 of the votes of the Senate), 2 opposing and 3 abstentions.<br />
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CSA - VTI ROGAS<br />
CEM - VTI ROGAS<br />
MOG - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSD - VTI ROGAS<br />
CON - VTI ROGAS<br />
KFQ - VTI ROGAS<br />
AICPM - VTI ROGAS<br />
AGG - VTI ROGAS<br />
MAM - VTI ROGAS<br />
MMA - VTI ROGAS<br />
PC - VTI ROGAS: since the Comitia has approved it. However, I have reservations about whether this law is sufficient to ensure the rights and freedoms of Gens members, and urge the Consuls to further refine it at the earliest opportunity.<br />
TLF - VTI ROGAS<br />
QFM - ABSTINEO<br />
DIS - ABSTINEO: I have concerns that this could result in a plethora of one person families with substantially less cohesion and support that the current system affords. However, it is certainly more historical and I am loathe to vote against it.<br />
FAC - VTI ROGAS<br />
AMC - VTI ROGAS: I call on the Consuls to help implement this change by promulgating leges dealing with Naturalization and Adoption.<br />
MCI - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSA - VTI ROGAS<br />
LEC - VTI ROGAS<br />
CMM - ANTIQVO<br />
DIP - ANTIQVO: A change that comes far too soon. It will create hundreds of one person families with no sense of kinship with others in their gentes. It does nothing to unify Nova Roma.<br />
CFD - VTI ROGAS<br />
LPO - ABSTINEO<br />
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III. Approval of the Lex Fabia Labiena de Iure Augurum, presented to the Comitia Centuriata a.d. IV Idus Decembris anno MMDCCLVI (December the 8th 2003) by the consul T. Labienus Fortunatus and approved by the Comitia Centuriata a.d. VIII Kal. Ianuariis (December the 25th). [please, visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/18009 if you would read the original text]<br />
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Item III passes with 22 votes in favor (2/3 of the votes of the Senate), 0 opposing and 1 abstentions.<br />
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CSA - VTI ROGAS<br />
CEM - VTI ROGAS<br />
MOG - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSD - VTI ROGAS<br />
CON - VTI ROGAS<br />
KFQ - VTI ROGAS<br />
AICPM - VTI ROGAS<br />
AGG - VTI ROGAS<br />
MAM - VTI ROGAS<br />
MMA - VTI ROGAS<br />
PC - VTI ROGAS<br />
TLF - VTI ROGAS<br />
QFM - VTI ROGAS<br />
DIS - VTI ROGAS<br />
FAC - VTI ROGAS<br />
AMC - VTI ROGAS<br />
MCI - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSA - VTI ROGAS<br />
LEC - VTI ROGAS<br />
CMM - VTI ROGAS<br />
DIP - VTI ROGAS<br />
CFD - VTI ROGAS<br />
LPO - ABSTINEO<br />
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IV. Approval of the Lex Labiena de Obnuntiatione, presented to the Comitia Centuriata a.d. IV Idus Decembris anno MMDCCLVI (December the 8th 2003) by the consul T. Labienus Fortunatus and approved by the Comitia Centuriata a.d. VIII Kal. Ianuariis (December the 25th). [please, visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/18009 if you would read the original text]<br />
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Item IV passes with 22 votes in favor (2/3 of the votes of the Senate), 0 opposing and 1 abstentions.<br />
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CSA - VTI ROGAS<br />
CEM - VTI ROGAS<br />
MOG - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSD - VTI ROGAS<br />
CON - VTI ROGAS<br />
KFQ - VTI ROGAS<br />
AICPM - VTI ROGAS<br />
AGG - VTI ROGAS<br />
MAM - VTI ROGAS<br />
MMA - VTI ROGAS<br />
PC - VTI ROGAS<br />
TLF - VTI ROGAS<br />
QFM - VTI ROGAS<br />
DIS - VTI ROGAS<br />
FAC - VTI ROGAS<br />
AMC - VTI ROGAS<br />
MCI - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSA - VTI ROGAS<br />
LEC - VTI ROGAS<br />
CMM - VTI ROGAS<br />
DIP - VTI ROGAS<br />
CFD - VTI ROGAS<br />
LPO - ABSTINEO<br />
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V. Approval of the Lex Fabia de Civitate Minorum, presented to the Comitia Centuriata a.d. XII Kal. Decembris anno MMDCCLVI (November the 20th 2003) by the consul Q. Fabius Quintilianus and approved by the Comitia Centuriata a.d. III Non. Decembris (December the 3rd). [please, visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/16615 if you would read the original text]<br />
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Item V is NOT approved with 13 votes in favor, 8 opposing and 2 abstentions. It required 2/3 of the votes of the Senate.<br />
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CSA - VTI ROGAS<br />
CEM - VTI ROGAS<br />
MOG - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSD - ANTIQVO: I cast this vote in English because I'm voting on this matter as a member of the Board of Directors of Nova Roma Inc. I Would be remiss in my duties to the corporation if I voted yes on a matter that places Nova Roma Inc. in a situation where it could be violating the laws of the nations we operate in. Procedures need to be put in place to ensure that Nova Roma Inc. will be in compliance with national laws regarding minors before this change becomes effective.<br />
CON - ABSTINEO<br />
KFQ - VTI ROGAS<br />
AICPM - VTI ROGAS<br />
AGG - ANTIQVO<br />
MAM - VTI ROGAS<br />
MMA - VTI ROGAS<br />
PC - VTI ROGAS<br />
TLF - VTI ROGAS<br />
QFM - ANTIQVO: This lex lacks the prudence we need when it comes to minors. One Senator comment that we should pay a lawyer to look over and comment on our liability is the first thing I have heard that makes any sense when it comes this issue. We cannot guess as we have been doing, it is too dangerous to continue in this vein. I hope this lex is defeated. We are simply putting a band aid over a festering wound, and will have to revisit the issue later. <br />
DIS - VTI ROGAS<br />
FAC - VTI ROGAS<br />
AMC - ANTIQVO: I do not vote in favor at this time, for reasons that have already been mentioned by our noble collegue, Senator Drusus.<br />
MCI - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSA - ANTIQVO: I am not opposed to this lex in principle. I voted for it in Comitia. However the concerns raised by Palladius are valid. On closer examination, although this lex says that we will obtain written permission from parent or guardian before admitting a minor to citizenship, it does not say how the Censors will verify that written permission. Given the political/social climate of the macronation that hosts Nova Roma, I think that should be specified.<br />
LEC - ANTIQVO: SIC, I do not vote in favor at this time, for reasons that have already been mentioned by our noble colleague, Senator Drusus. <br />
CMM - VTI ROGAS<br />
DIP - ANTIQVO: This is an incredibly irresponsible proposal by comparison to the current law it hopes to amend--which is only two years old. Nova Roma does not need minors as citizens whose parents are not citizens also. The risk of bad publicity and potential lawsuits is too great. I wish that the senators who voted yes for this would explain their actions with accompanying comments, not one has put remarks with his vote regarding this item. I understand voting for gens reform, even if I don't approve of it; voting for this makes no sense to me.<br />
CFD - ANTIQVO<br />
LPO - ABSTINEO<br />
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VI. Appointment of a new propraetor for the Provincia of America Austrorientalis. The sole candidate is:<br />
Gaius Popilius Laenas<br />
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Item VI passes with 21 votes in favor, 1 opposing and 1 abstentions.<br />
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C. Popilius Laenas is appointed propraetor of America Austrorientalis.<br />
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CSA - VTI ROGAS<br />
CEM - ANTIQVO: As much as I respect Gaius Popilius, and understand that he has learned from his recent experiences, I think we would do better to issue a call for candidates for this office. If after such a call Gaius Popilius emerges as the best qualified candidate I will approve him without hesitation.<br />
MOG - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSD - VTI ROGAS<br />
CON - VTI ROGAS<br />
KFQ - VTI ROGAS<br />
AICPM - VTI ROGAS<br />
AGG - VTI ROGAS<br />
MAM - VTI ROGAS<br />
MMA - VTI ROGAS<br />
PC - VTI ROGAS: I believe that Gaius Popilius has learned from his experience, and I also came to respect him during a previous time when I worked with him closely. I believe he will resume his role as a positive force in Nova Roma.<br />
TLF - VTI ROGAS<br />
QFM - VTI ROGAS: Gaius Popilius was doing a good job when the war called him, and now he can pick up where he left off. The fact no one opposed him, shows his province is in agreement.<br />
DIS - VTI ROGAS: I am most pleased to see Gaius Popilius Laenas return to activity. Nova Roma can only benefit from his experience.<br />
FAC - ABSTINEO: I have read several good things and opinions about Illustrus Gaius Popilius Laenas. However I can't give a positive (or negative) vote for two reasons: firstly I don't know him personally and I don't know well the history of his propraetorship. Secondly I think a public call for candidacies could be better and useful.<br />
AMC - VTI ROGAS<br />
MCI - VTI ROGAS<br />
LSA - VTI ROGAS<br />
LEC - VTI ROGAS: I'm very pleased that this is being done in such a timely fashion, without much recrimination, posturing or personal rancor.<br />
CMM - VTI ROGAS<br />
DIP - VTI ROGAS: Welcome back to the position, Laenas!<br />
CFD - VTI ROGAS<br />
LPO - VTI ROGAS<br />
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For further information contact the Tribunes Plebis at tribunes@novaroma.org<br />
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Valete,<br />
Franciscus Apulus Caesar<br />
Tribunus Plebis <br />
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a.d. IV Kal. Feb. MMDCCLVII <br />
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