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REPORT OF SENATE SESSION

Senate Voting Results

The Senate was called to order on Jan. 18th 2007. The Contio was held on agenda
items until Jan. 23rd 2007

Voting on the agenda items was then held from Jan. 23rd , 24:00 to Jan. 31st
2007, 24:00 (time of Rome).

On 31st of January, the latest session of the Senate of Nova Roma was declared
closed by the Consul L. Arminius Faustus, in which 33 of the 38 senatores voted,
fulfilling the quorum needed for the session.

Here are the list of the voting Senators, alphabetically listed by nomen:

*[SAS] Sextus Apollonius Scipio
*[FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
*[LAF] Lucius Arminius Faustus
*[MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior
*[MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
*[PC] Patricia Cassia
*[ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica
*[CCS] Caius Curius Saturninus
*[GEC] Gaius Equitius Cato
*[GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
*[LECA] Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
*[GFBM] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
*[CFBQ] Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
*[QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus
*[CFD] Caius Flavius Diocletianus
*[TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
*[AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
*[MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
*[MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus
*[DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
*[GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus
*[LMS] Lucius Minicius Sceptius
*[MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens
*[PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo
*[MOG] Marcus Octavius Gracchus
*[TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
*[GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas
*[GSA] Gnaeus Salvius Astur
*[JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna
*[LSA] Lucius Sergius Australicus
*[QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
*[ATS ] A. Tullia Scholastica
*[ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato

SENATE AGENDA STARTS

Item I - Appointment of interpreters

1a. Titus Arminius Genialis as interpreter of PORTUGUESE

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS to all. They have been doing excellent work already in the Wiki
*GEM - Uti Rogas
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all, with thanks for work already accomplished.
*MMA- "a" through "c" -- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS UTI ROGAS I thank them very much for their willingness to serve.
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to all.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas
*CCS: Uti rogas to all
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas for all.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF :VTI ROGAS
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS for both the candidates.
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM -Vti rogas I vote to appoint all three in item I
*ATS: Vtí rogás. Geniális has an excellent command of English, and seems quite
eager to work.
*GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Titus Arminius Geniales is appointed as interpreter portuguese

1b. According Lex Cornelia, creation of the office of HUNGARIAN Interpreter, and
appointment of Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as its first interpreter.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS to all. They have been doing excellent work already
in the Wiki
*GEM - Uti Rogas
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all, with thanks for work already accomplished.
*MMA- "a" through "c" -- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS UTI ROGAS I thank them very much for their willingness to serve.
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to all.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas
*CCS: Uti rogas to all
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas for all.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF :VTI ROGAS
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS for both the candidates.
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM -Vti rogas I vote to appoint all three in item I
*ATS: Vtí rogás. Lentulus is a fine young man, and a graduate student in
classics who is devoted to Rome and Nova Roma.
*GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is appointes Hungarian interpeter

1c. Titus Octavius Avitus as interpreter of FRENCH.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS I thank these citizens for their interest and dedication
*MOG: UTI ROGAS to all. They have been doing excellent work already
in the Wiki
*GEM - Uti Rogas
*TGP - VTI ROGAS. I appreciate their willingness to serve
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all, with thanks for work already accomplished.
*MMA- "a" through "c" -- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS -UTI ROGAS I thank them very much for their willingness to serve.
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to all.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas
*CCS: Uti rogas to all
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas for all.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF :VTI ROGAS
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS for both the candidates.
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM -Vti rogas I vote to appoint all three in item I
*ATS: Vtí rogás. I have had correspondence with this gentleman as well, and his
training and level of competency in French seem to be at a very high level.
*GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Util Rogas: Titus Octavius Avitus is appointed as interpreter of FRENCH

Item II - Appointment of propraetores proconsulesqve

2a. Lucius Aurelius Severus as propraetor of CANADA ORIENTALIS.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS
*GEM Uti Rogas
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all..
*MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS.
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS -UTI ROGAS
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas to all
*CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there.
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF :VTI ROGAS
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
*ATS: Vtí rogás
*GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Lucius Aurelius Severus is appointed as propraetor of CANADA
ORIENTALIS

2b. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as propraetor of CANADA OCCIDENTALIS.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS and with great appreciation for his skills and dedication.
*MOG: UTI ROGAS
*GEM - Uti Rogas, with my particular thanks to Gn. Iulius for being willing to
continue in office. Our western Canadian group is small, but of very high
quality.
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
*MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS. Gaenus is a fine example of Roman virtue. I believe he ought
to be a Senator.
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS -UTI ROGAS
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas to all
*CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincial
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS.
*LAF :VTI ROGAS
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
*ATS: Vtí rogás
*GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar is appointed as propraetor of CANADA
OCCIDENTALIS

2c. Titus Arminius Genialis as propraetor of BRASILIA.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS
*GEM - Uti Rogas
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
*MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS -UTI ROGAS
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas to all
*CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF :VTI ROGAS
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
*ATS: Vtí rogás
*GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Titus Arminius Genialis is appointed as propraetor of BRASILIA

2d. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as propraetor of PANNONIA.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS
*GEM - Uti Rogas. Lentulus is a superb citizen, and an able magistrate.
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
*MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS -UTI ROGAS
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas to all
*CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF :VTI ROGAS
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS. I'm happy that the Pannonia will be in good hands.
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
*ATS: Vtí rogás
*GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is appointed as propraetor of PANNONIA

2e. Titus Iulius Sabinus as propraetor of DACIA.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS
*GEM- Uti Rogas. Sabinus is one of our very best. Dacia is fortunate to have him.
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
*MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS -UTI ROGAS
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS. I support Sabinus, a very skilled magistrates with excellent
idea.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
ATS: Vtí rogás. Sabínus is a dedicated, hardworking, citizen who should be
cloned.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Titus Iulius Sabinusis appointed as propraetor of DACIA.

2f. Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus as proconsul of LACUS MAGNI.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas. My thanks to Gaius Fabius for his continued efforts on behalf
of
the Republic.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS Very experienced citizen.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
ATS: Vtí rogás.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus is appointed as proconsul of LACUS
MAGNI

2g. Caius Curius Saturninus as propraetor of THULE.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas. Another first rate citizen. I am pleased he is willing to
continue to serve.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS Saturninus is one of our most active and intelligent citizen.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
ATS: Vtí rogás.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Caius Curius Saturninus is appointed as propraetor of THULE.

2h. Quintus Fabius Maximus as proconsul of CALIFORNIA.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: ANTIQUO. We've seen nothing but decline in that province for
five years. It's time for an active governor.
*GEM - Antiquo. It is time and past time for California to have another governor.
Better the governorship of California be left empty a few months than it be
saddled for yet another year with a governor who does nothing and suppresses the
efforts of others to do things within his province.
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: ANTIQUO
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
*MMA: "h"—ABSTAIN
In regards to Senator Maximus and Provincia California, his provided plan looks
pretty good to me. He is having the same kind of difficulty in California, that
I am seeing in Nova Britannia. We do not always agree, however, I trust that
what he says, he will do his best to accomplish. Additionally, I see no other
governor candidate for that province, and I strongly disagree that no governor
is better than the existing one. –MMA
I have made an error in my vote. I voted to Abstain my vote for Senator Maximus
as a governor. I want to change that error to read:
"YES" for Governor Maximus and to
"ABSTAIN" for Governor Marcus Audens.
My thanks to Senator Maximus for alerting me to my error. My apologies for any
difficulty that this error has caused.
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS –ANTIQUO
*MMPH - ANTIQUO
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: ANTIQUO. We need to stop the decline, and a new governor is part
of the solution.
*GFBM: Antiquo
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : ANTIQUO
*DIPI: Uti rogas to all
*CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
*MIP: ANTIQVO
*ECF: Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor
for this provincia.
*ATMC – ABSTAIN
*LAF : ANTIQVO - The absence of people of California so long time, a culturally
so rich environment, makes me worry about the capacity of the governor. We used
to use the W.O. rule - nobody steps down, the sole willing citizen becomes the
wining candidate. Well, I think on this case it is not working anymore.
*CFBQ: Antiquo
*FAC: ANTIQVO California needs an active governor
*CSA - I vote against.
*MAM: Antiquo.
*AMA: Antiquo.
*SAS: Abstineo.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
*ATS: Antiquó
*GEC: Uti Rogas

12 Uti Rogas, 2 Abstineo and 19 Antiquo: Quintus Fabius Maximus is NOT appointed
as proconsul of CALIFORNIA

2i. C. Sempronia Graccha Volentia as propraetor of AMERICA MEDIOCCIDENTALIS
SUPERIOR

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS.
*GEM: Uti Rogas.
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
*MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS -UTI ROGAS
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas to all
*CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF: VTI ROGAS
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
*ATS: Vtí rogás. She has done a good job with the calendar distribution in the
US, and with various sodalitates.
The title, however, should be propraetríx in her case.
*GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: C. Sempronia Graccha Volentia is appointed as propraetrix of
AMERICA MEDIOCCIDENTALIS SUPERIOR

2j. Fl. Galerius Aurelianus as propraetor of AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS.
*GEM - Uti Rogas, with my thanks to Propraetor Galerius for his active and
enthusiastic service.
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
*MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS -UTI ROGAS
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas to all
*CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF:VTI ROGAS
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
*ATS: Vtí rogás.
*GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Fl. Galerius Aurelianus is appointed as propraetor of AMERICA
AUSTRORIENTALIS

2k. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of AMERICA MEDIATLANTICA.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS.
*GEM: Uti Rogas, by whatever title, a good governor.
*TGP – ABSTINEO
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
*MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS -UTI ROGAS
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas to all
*CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF: VTI ROGAS. although I think he would have really considered pass to
another citizen, due to the burden of the consulship this year.
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
*ATS: Vtí rogás, though this is, as one of the honored senatores had noted, a
heavy burden in conjunction with the cónsulátus.
*GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is appointed as proconsul of AMERICA
MEDIATLANTICA

2l. Marcus Minucius Audens as proconsul of NOVA BRITANNIA.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS.
*GEM: Uti Rogas, with my thanks for his long years of service.
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
*MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
I have made an error in my vote. I voted to Abstain my vote for Senator Maximus
as a governor. I want to change that error to read:
"YES" for Governor Maximus and to
"ABSTAIN" for Governor Marcus Audens.
My thanks to Senator Maximus for alerting me to my error. My apologies for any
difficulty that this error has caused.
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS -UTI ROGAS
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas to all
*CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF: VTI ROGAS
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS He is an example for us as man and as governor
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
*ATS: Vtí rogás.
*GEC: Uti Rogas

32 Uti Rogas and 1 Abstineo: Marcus Minucius Audens is appointed as proconsul of
NOVA BRITANNIA.

2m. Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius as propraetor of HISPANIA.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS.
*GEM: Uti Rogas. Lucius Didius continues to serve the Republic and his province
well. Few outside Hispania realize just how much he does.
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and
point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius
Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
*MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS -UTI ROGAS
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas
*GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS
*DIPI: Uti rogas to all
*CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's
time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would
be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF: VTI ROGAS
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS I see again great projects for Hispania.
*CSA - I abstain.
*MAM: Uti Rogas.
*AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern
provinces
*ATS: Vtí rogás, though the gentleman has pointed out that his nomen is now
Minicius (as it has been for some time), not the historically-inaccurate and
linguistically impossible Didius Geminus. His correct name is thus L. Minicius
Sceptius.
*GEC: Uti Rogas

31 Uti Rogas and 2 Abstineo: Lucius Minicius Sceptius is appointed as propraetor
of HISPANIA

Item III - Senatusconsultum - "De consulibus et proconsulibus"

In keeping with the authority granted to the Senate by Article III, Paragraph
3, of the Constitution, (Please note that this is a change only to their title,
and has no impact on their duties, powers, and
functions).
Currently-serving Consuls governing provinces shall be titled Consul.
Former Consuls who are continuing to govern a province after their term as
Consul ends shall be titled Proconsul.
Magistrates appointed by the Senate to govern a particular province for the
first time shall be titled Praetor.
Praetors who continue to govern a province after their first term of office
ends shall be titled Propraetor.

Magistrates appointed by governors to assist in the administration of their
province who shares the governor´s Imperium shall be titled Legate

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: ANTIQUO.
*GEM: Antiquo. Only the Comitia Centuriata may make a Praetor. Thus I can not
support this proposal.
*TGP - VTI ROGAS This simply adds the new title of Italy to the
current SC on titles
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS: Uti Rogas
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: ANTIQUO
*MMA -- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Antiquo
Comment: There seems to be a flaw in this in that the Senate should not be
empowered to appoint someone to be a praetor. Beyond that, this seemingly
endless topic of seeking exactly the "right" title for every position seems to
be a great waste of time and energy.
*PMS –ANTIQUO
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM – ANTIQVO. Ironic since I pushed for this. But I believe we must reword it
better.
*TOPA: ANTIQUO. It is dangerous calling governators Praetors without a law or
preferably constitutional amendment to separate them from the "real" Praetors.
*GFBM: Antiquo. I would prefer the usage of something other than Praetor.
*GPL - Antiquo. As has been pointed out, only the people can create a praetor.
*MBA : ANTIQUO
*DIPI: ANTIQUO. Marinus is right, the senate can not make a praetor, only give
propraetorian powers, thus the use of the term "propraetor" during previous
years.
*CCS: Antiquo
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Antiquo
*ATMC - ANTIQUO
*LAF: VTI ROGAS - This Senatusconsultum changes nothing, just titles.
*CFBQ: Antiquo
*FAC: VTI ROGAS
*CSA - I vote in favour.
*MAM: Abstineo.
*AMA: Antiquo.
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Nego I vote not to approve the senatusconsultum now, understanding that
the language differentiating praetor and propraetor will be developed for
resubmission.
*ATS: Antiquó. As proposed here, the title praetor seems inaccurate and
inappropriate.
*GEC: Antiquo. I prefer the usage of the available (and historic) terminology
rather than than "praetor".

13 Uti Rogas, 1 Abstineo and 19 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum not passed

Item IV - Senatusconsultum - "De Italia"

The attribute "province" is removed from the description of Italy within Nova
Roma.

It will be govern as a province under the rules adopted by the Senate but will
be called Italia.

The "governor" of Italy shall be called Praefectus Italiae. If a sitting Consul
or Praetor resides in Italy and they serve as "governor" on behalf of the Senate
of Nova Roma they shall be called Consul or Praetor.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS.
*GEM: Uti Rogas.
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS: Uti Rogas
*CFD: Antiquo The proposal has it´s ancient roots in times later than that of
the republic we try to reconstruct. More important for me is that we need a
territorial organization adequate to our internet-based micornational character.
Italia is de facto a province and should de facto bear the title of a province.
A province is governed by a promagistrate, the titles we adjusted above. Some
adjustments to our current times and structures are necessary.
*PC: UTI ROGAS.
*MMA -- NO;

I had originally thought to approve this item, but the arguments against it are,
to me, quite telling. This decision of mine, has nothing to do with
personalities –MMA
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Antiquo Comment: There appears to be no real reason for this proposal other
than that it will make the Italians feel good. If that's a motive, perhaps we
should make all citizens everywhere feel good by dropping the term "province"
from the titles of all regions of Nova Roma.
*PMS -UTI ROGAS
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - ANTIQVO
Italia should be an equal to all provinces. To single her out just because she
contains Rome is silly and sets a precedent.
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas.
*GPL- Antiquo. I agree with Senators Australicus, Cincinnatus, and Diocletianus.
*MBA : UTI ROGAS. I like the idea of honouring Italia, for they are the home of
Rome.
*DIPI: Antiquo
*CCS: Uti rogas. Many thanks for our Consules for making this change!
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas. This is a great improvement to our credibility.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF: VTI ROGAS, we cannot deny this honour to Italia
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS
*CSA - I vote in favour. It was due time that this old reivindication of our
Italian co-citizens be recognized.
*MAM: Abstineo.
*AMA: Uti Rogas
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to honor Italia in this way.
*ATS: Vtí rogás
*GEC: Uti Rogas

26 Uti Rogas, 1 Abstineo and 6 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum passed

Item V - Senatusconsultum - "Senatus Consultum de Regendis Provinciis"

I. The SenatusConsultum of 11 March 2001 is hereby revoked. For all purposes of
this text, the English word "governor" replaces the Latin terms "propraetor" or
"proconsul". In the absence of the consuls, these instructions should be followed
by the magistrate with the highest Imperium available granted by the Republic
(such as the praetor, dictator or interrex).
II. At the beginning of their terms of office, but prior to the Ides of
February, the consuls are asked to issue an edictum calling for the governors
for the upcoming year. The consuls will be responsible for
setting the period during which applications will be taken in accordance with
their planning of the Senate's agenda.
III. The term of a governor starts immediately after issuance of the Senate
results of the approvals on the Main List. The term of a governor ends with that
of a new governor for the province (or the
same, in case of prorogation ) or on the Ides (15th) of March, or whichever
happens first. Any change before the term is the responsibility of the Senate.
IV. For provinces with a budget at their disposal, the Senate asks the consuls
to choose one of the quaestors to help the governor in making jointly the report
of expenses. The consuls shall take geographic and cultural patterns into
account for making the assignment.
V. The Senate asks the consuls to not accept candidates that are not allowed by
NR law to become governors. If a current governor fails to send the Senate the
financial report of the province (if needed) by the time for calling of new
governors, the Senate advises the consuls not to accept the name of this citizen
for prorogation.

*QSP - UTI ROGAS to all v
*MOG: UTI ROGAS.
*GEM: Uti Rogas.
*TGP – Abstain
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS: Uti Rogas
*CFD: Abstino.
*PC: UTI ROGAS.
*MMA -- YES;
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Abstineo
*PMS –ABSTAIN
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM - ANTIQVO
While I under stand what this is suppose to say, it’s badly written and needs
revision
*TOPA: UTI ROGAS.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas.
*GPL :Uti Rogas
*MBA: UTI ROGAS. I like this. It clears the way for more accurate titles.
*DIPI: Abstineo
*CCS: Uti rogas.
*MIP: VTI ROGAS
*ECF: Uti rogas
*ATMC – ABSTAIN
*LAF: VTI ROGAS, it makes things clearer
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas
*FAC: VTI ROGAS
*CSA - I vote in favour
*MAM: Abstineo.
*AMA: Uti Rogas
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to adopt this senatusconsultum.
*ATS: Vtí rogás, though not without some hesitation.
*GEC: Uti Rogas

25 Uti Rogas, 7 Abstineo and 1 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum passed.

Item VI - Senatusconsultum - "De Aquila"

Senatus Consultum on the Aquila Newsletter.

The Senate authorizes the Editor Commentariorum, Ap. Galerius Aurelianus, to
solicit subscriptions, in an amount determined by him but not exceeding
$20.00USD per subscription for a printed Aquila
Newsletter." Individuals may if the like make donations in addition to taking
out a subscription.

He is further authorized to solicit donations to off-set the costs of publishing
the Aquila newsletter for the year L. Arminio Ti. Galerio cos. The number of
copies, per issue, to be printed shall be
determined by the Editor Commentariorum, with the advice of his staff and
advisors, based on the cost of production, delivery and the amount of money
collected.

The Senate requires that 2/3 of the total cost of the newsletter be covered by
direct subscriptions and / or donations. No more than 1/3 of the total cost will
be covered by the Nova Roma treasury.

The Editor Commentariorum, Ap. Galerius Aurelianus, will also publish or cause
to be published, a free web version of the Aquila newsletter. He shall do so in
a manner determined by him

*QSP - UTI ROGAS
*MOG: UTI ROGAS. A printed newsletter is desperately needed for our credibility,
else were are nothing more than a collection of mailing lists and web sites. We
don't need yet another web site; we need a newsletter.
*GEM: Uti Rogas, with the caution that the Editor Commentariorum must strive to
cover all operating costs with paid subscription fees. The 1/3 amount specified
in the text is an upper bound, and not something that he should consider 'money
in the bank.'
*TGP - VTI ROGAS
*JSM: UTI ROGAS
*LMS: Abstineo
*CFD: Uti Rogas
*PC: ANTIQUO. More needs to be known about the financial aspects of this move,
and whether we have the volunteers available to do the work of producing,
printing and mailing this Aquila.
*MMA --YES; I had originally thought to disapprove of this issue because of the
mention of allotting NR funding to support it. However, I agree with those who
seek a more specific and detailed item signifying NR to the outside world. I
believe this newsletter will help in this effort.
*LECA - VTI ROGAS
*LSA: Uti Rogas
*PMS - ANTIQUO I believe we should be doing the audit first before awarding any
monies, except for a strict emergency situation. Moreover, I would like to know
a figure of how much is being requested of the Senate as opposed to a given
percentage of the costs.
*MMPH - UTI ROGAS
*QFM – VTI ROGAS
*TOPA: ANTIQUO. Put in an upper limit as to how much the third that Nova Roma is
supposed to cover may be, otherwise I'm in support.
*GFBM: Uti Rogas. However, I don't think our publications need take any money
from our treasury. I believe they can be self-sufficient.
*GPL :Uti Rogas
*MBA: UTI ROGAS.
*DIPI: Uti rogas. It will be good to see a hard copy of the Eagle again.
*CCS: Antiquo.
*MIP: ABSTINEO
*ECF: Antiquo. A fixed sum would be more preferable.
*ATMC - UTI ROGAS
*LAF: ABSTINEO, I said once we should not approve anything without a detailed
budget. I miss one on this case. Once, the Aquila budget administration was a
disaster. So, for approve without doubt, It would be very suitable an detailed
budget.
*CFBQ: Antiquo
*FAC: VTI ROGAS
*CSA - I vote in favour
*MAM: Abstineo.
*AMA: Uti Rogas
*SAS: Uti Rogas.
*CMM - Vti rogas I vote to adopt this senatusconsultum.
*ATS: Abstineó.
*GEC: Uti Rogas

22 Uti Rogas, 5 Abstineo and 6 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum passed.

COMMENTS OF SENATORES
Item VII - Contio about 2/3

"Last year, the subject of the 2/3 of the Senate needed to approve a
constitutional reform has been touched due to many doubts of interpretation.
There was some division of opinions between the
magistrates. The question remained unsolved, and some senatores asked the
current consuls to continue the subject.

There is currently two interpretations of the law, both with merits. According
to the historical procedures of Ancient Rome, and obeying the seniority of the
conscript fathers, we invite all senatores to discuss the question, on the hope
some light can be better brought to the subject. There is no voting, just a
refreshment of the question.

One interpretation says the text of the Constitution means "2/3 of the entire
Senate" means all citizens entitled to vote in the Senate.

The other means "2/3 of the entire Senate" means all voting senatores , ie, by
"Senate" is recognized the senatores present to a voting.

So we invite the senatores to give their opinions during the voting.

We hope the fathers understand everything on the Republic can be accomplished
with a powerful agreement, and we together can reach to a reasonable and
republican approach.

QSP - I would rather have a straight vote passed by numbers rather than the 2/3
formula. I think the 2/3 system could be stifling and frustrating, slowing
things down; also, more often than not there are always 5 or 6 senators who do not make the voting and that does not help at all.

MOG - The Constitution is broken. The author never foresaw a Senate with a high
absentee rate. Either the Constitution needs to be fixed so that a 2/3rds
majority of voting Senators (when a quorum is present) are sufficient, or we're
going to have to start tossing people out of the Senate if we ever want to be
able to make any changes.

GEM - The text of the Constitution is clear. 2/3 of all the persons enrolled in
the Album Senatorium must vote in favor of a Constitutional Amendment for it to
pass. I recommend that Censors M. Octavius Gracchus and C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
exercise their constitutionally granted authority to remove inactive senators
from the Album Senatorium as quickly as possible, in order to preserve the
effectiveness of this Senate.

TGP Our constitution has clauses that are at times contradictorily. This is not
one of those times. I believe that the only way one can interpret the
constitution is to look at its plain language . "2/3 of the entire Senate" means
"2/3 of the entire Senate"

JSM - The constitution should be modified only in extreme circumstances. A
policy regarding absenteeism of senatores ought to be developed and rigorously
applied.

LSM - I support a 2/3 of the voting senators. If there are people who doesn't
care about what is under voting at any moment on the organization they belong
to, and give no proxy or representation, they can be count as "mind absence"
people. So only 2/3 of the people who really care and participate.

CFD: I prefer a historical argumentation. In ancient times many Senators were
unable to be present in Senate sessions due to commitments overseas, in wars
acting as officers, in diplomatic missions, as provincial magistrates. This
means that our ancient forefathers had a Senate which was imho quite never
complete. Today a simple network breakdown can cut more than one Senator off
communication, that´s comparable for me.
The 2/3 quorum can in my opinion only be counted from the Senators present at a
specific session.

PC: I agree with the Constitution as currently written.

MMA (no vote) -- I do not agree that the Constitution is unclear on this
question. It is quite clear to me, and the concern lies in two areas. The
first, and most important one, to my thought, is the responsibility of the
Senators so appointed. It is a significant honor to be elected to this office
or to be appointed by one's peers. It also has a significant responsibility.
If any Senator is not concerned about the responsibility he or she should be
removed from that position. The second concern is the problem of communication
methodology. Yahoo has not in the past proven to be so exact in their support
that I should be willing to dismiss a Senator solely on the basis of Yahoo's
message delivery record. Two items to consider in this question.

LECA - The Constitution stipulates 2/3 of the ENTIRE Senate must vote to ratify
any change to it. It does not say anything other than that, not "of those who
vote", not "minus those who abstain", et cetera.
There is only one *Honest* interpretation of the statement, "... such
alterations to this Constitution must be ratified by a vote of two-thirds of the
entire Senate before they shall take effect...", any less than 2/3's of the
entire Senate voting to ratify is not enough to pass an amendment/change.
What should be done? Let the system work for once, BEFORE monkeying around
with it.

Why is it that each new administration is in such a rush to make changes?
We've been through this drill many times the past years and I haven't honestly
seen any changes that have made Nova Roma better, more complicated, but not
better.

LSA - comment: It is my opinion that this provision of the Constitution should
remain unaltered and should be understood to mean what it clearly says - that
2/3 of all the members of the Senate must approve a change to the Constitution.
Senators not participating for an extended period of time should be removed by
the Censors.

PMS - I do not see the ambiguity in current constitutional language
itself...For years it has been unquestioned as meaning 2/3 of this entire
senate , just as it reads. This 2/3 has shown to be attainable in the past when
Senators have voted regularly. I, with other Senators, think it is time to
tighten the criteria of participation for Senators to maintain their positions
among this august body.

MMPH – No comments

QFM - This is a vote with no division possible. But for informative purposes it
is very apparent that 2/3rds of the ENTIRE appointed SENATE must vote to ratify
any change to this Constitution. Other wise it would read “ THOSE SENATORS
PRESENT” in the text.
So to make it official: VTI ROGAS to the interpretation that the vote must pass
with 2/3rds of the entire Senate. Not just those Senators present.

TOPA: UTI ROGAS - as I believe the phrase would have interpreted by the Romans
and how I believe it should be used. If it cannot be interpreted that way, I am
for a constitutional amendment to the same effect.

GFBM: I agree with M. Octavius Gracchus in that there are problems in our
constitution. There are also too many senators who don't vote. If someone is a
senator and doesn't have the time or interest they need to let the Censores know
about it so they can be removed. I think the constitution does indicate 2/3 of
the whole senate, but I think this should be changed.

GPL : It seems to me the Constitution is very clear. A 2/3rds vote of the
entire Senate is required.

MBA: After reviewing the constitution, I am of the belief that 2/3 of the entire
Senate means just that. We, as Senators, need to be responsible and vote. I
missed one vote at the beginning of last year and I still feel that I violated a
trust that was given to me.

DIPI - (No vote required.) There is no ambiguity in the constitution on this
matter. It clearly states votes of 2/3rds of the *entire* senate is required to
pass a constitutional amendment, not 2/3rds of those voting.

This has never really been a problem before last year, so perhaps part of the
issue was last year's leadership. In the past, if consuls were afraid of not
getting enough votes, they would lobby senators privately and in the senate,
saying why a vote was important and why a senator's vote was important and
needed. They would lead.

As for high absenteeism of late, again it may be an issue of last year's
leadership. It may also be due to the cheapening of the senate the year before
that, when 11 or 12 people were added (increasing our numbers by about 1/3) to
the senate in one year by the censores. That stacking of the senate made it much
more difficult to add worthy people to the senate in following years because of
the required senator to assidui ratio. It made the title of senator mean less
and may have encouraged people to stay away from this chamber more than they
would have.

CCS - Uti rogas. Senator Pius has already pointed out same comments I intended
too.

MIP: VTI ROGAS

ECF: Uti rogas.

ATMC – No comments

LAF: Since the ancient roman senatores never ever counted missing senatores, I
believe the constitution means 2/3 of the voting senatores. Anyway, I urge the
Senate to consider even more ´draconian´ measures to keep citizens on the album
Senatorium.

CFBQ - o change he Constitution to only include the voting Senatores in the 2/3
is both historical and practical. Although I encourage the Censores to get rid
of Senatores who haven't voted for three times in a row, without asking for
leave or having medical reasons.

FAC: No comments

CSA - Any "2/3 formula" will necessarily be historically inaccurate. I'd
advocate for getting rid of this modernism altogether.

MAM: Abstineo.

AMA: I agree with the constitution as it is currently written, that 2/3 of all
the persons enrolled in the Album Senatorium must vote.

SAS: Any such formula will not be accurate historically.

CMM - For the purpose of constitutional amendment only, the quorum should in my
opinion remain 2/3 of the entire senate, not only of senators casting votes in
session. To amend the constitution should be a rarity, and therefore,
provisions aren't needed to facilitate it. For all other business, a simple
majority of votes cast, discarding "abstineo", should determine the outcome. In
this way, the senate can move forward while preserving the structure of Nova
Roma's institutions.

ATS: For what it is worth, I cannot see how we can fail to interpret this as
meaning two-thirds of all members considered part of the senate. Clearly,
however, if paralysis is a problem because too few of the enrolled members vote,
some pruning of inactive members should be done. Perhaps there could be
senátórés émerití who would not count toward the total.

GEC: I believe the lex Constitutiva should be left as it is.

Valete

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Session LXXX 18 January 2760 - Revision history

Publius Memmius Albucius at 15:18, 16 January 2010

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus at 04:34, 15 August 2008

M. Lucretius Agricola: + templa

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus at 02:02, 7 August 2008

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: New page: REPORT OF SENATE SESSION Senate Voting Results The Senate was called to order on Jan. 18th 2007. The Contio was held on agenda items until Jan. 23rd 2007 Voting on the agenda items was...