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Senate Voting Results, published on a.d. VI Kal. Decembras MMDCCLIX
A.U.C., or 26 November 2006 AD.

The Senate was called to order on 16/Nov/2006 (2759).
The Contio was held on agenda items until 20/Oct/2006.
Voting on the agenda items was then held from 20/Nov/2006, 24:00, to
23/Nov/2006, 24:00 (time of Rome).

On 23rd of November, the latest session of the Senate of Nova Roma was
declared closed by the Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo, in which 28 of
the 36 senatores voted, fulfilling the quorum needed for the session.

Here are the list of the voting Senators, alphabetically listed by nomen:

*[FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
*[LAF] Lucius Arminius Faustus
*[MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior
*[MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
*[MCJ] Marcus Cassius Julianus
*[PC] Patricia Cassia
*[GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
*[LECA] Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
*[GFBM] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
*[CFBQ] Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
*[QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus
*[CFD] Caius Flavius Diocletianus
*[TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
*[MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
*[MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus
*[GL] Gaia Livia
*[LMS] Lucius Minicius Sceptius
*[MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens
*[PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo
*[MOG] Marcus Octavius Gracchus
*[TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
*[GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas
*[GSA] Gnaeus Salvius Astur
*[JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna
*[LSA] Lucius Sergius Australicus
*[QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
*[ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
*[FVG] Flavius Vedius Germanicus

The following senatores failed to vote in this
session:

*[SAS] Sextus Apollonius Scipio
*[MCS] Manius Constantinus Serapio
*[CCS] Caius Curius Saturninus
*[ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica
*[DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
*[TLF] Titus Labienus Fortunatus
*[GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus
*[AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

According to the Edictum Censorium of 17th October, Lucius Cornelius
Sulla Felix was excluded from the senate records and Senator Marcus
Moravius Piscinus Horatianus appointed to his place.

The items for consideration were as follows:

Item I: Publius Memmius Albucius is to be appointed Propraetor Gallia
Provincia.

[FAC] Uti Rogas. I'm very happy to give my vote for the appointment of
a very skilled gentleman. I'm sure he would lead Provincia Gallia as
well as possible
[LAF] Uti Rogas.
[MAM] Uti Rogas.
[MBA] Uti Rogas.
[MCJ] Uti Rogas.
[PC] Uti Rogas.
[GEM] Uti Rogas.
[LECA] Uti Rogas.
[GFBM] Uti Rogas.
[CFBQ] Uti Rogas. I have the greatest confidence for and big
expectations with this hardworking citizen.
[QFM] Uti Rogas.
[CFD] Uti Rogas.
[TGP] Uti Rogas. I strongly support this applicant and believe he will
do a very good job for us.
[MMPH] Uti Rogas.
[MIP] Uti Rogas. With all my best congratulations and thanks for his
dedication to Nova Roma.
[GL] Uti Rogas. I am sure he will do an excellent job.
[LMS] Uti Rogas.
[MMA] Uti Rogas.
[PMS] Uti Rogas.
[MOG] Uti Rogas.
[TOPA] Uti Rogas.
[GPL] Uti Rogas.
[GSA] Uti Rogas.
[JSM] Uti Rogas.
[LSA] Uti Rogas.
[QSP] Uti Rogas.
[ATMC] Uti Rogas.
[FVG] Uti Rogas (yes)

Results of Item I: Uti Rogas, 28; Antiquo, 0; Abstineo, 0.
Congratulations, Publius Memmius Albucius, Propraetor of Provincia
Gallia of Nova Roma.

Item II: Lucius Aurelius Severus is to be appointed Propraetor Canada
Orientalis.

[FAC] Uti Rogas. I don't know him directly but the reccomendations by
my colleagues are enough to vote him.
[LAF] Uti Rogas.
[MAM] Uti Rogas.
[MBA] Uti Rogas.
[MCJ] Uti Rogas.
[PC] Uti Rogas.
[GEM] Uti Rogas.
[LECA] Uti Rogas.
[GFBM] Uti Rogas.
[CFBQ] Uti Rogas. On the recommendation of Pompeia Minucia Strabo, the
present Proconsul and Consul, I support this candidate.
[QFM] Uti Rogas.
[CFD] Uti Rogas.
[TGP] Uti Rogas. This candidate has the support of his predecessor and
I defer to her judgment on this matter.
[MMPH] Uti Rogas.
[MIP] Abstineo.
[GL] Uti Rogas.
[LMS] Uti Rogas.
[MMA] Uti Rogas.
[PMS] Uti Rogas.
[MOG] Uti Rogas.
[TOPA] Uti Rogas.
[GPL] Uti Rogas.
[GSA] Uti Rogas.
[JSM] Uti Rogas.
[LSA] Uti Rogas.
[QSP] Uti Rogas.
[ATMC] Uti Rogas.
[FVG] Uti Rogas (yes)

Results of Item II: Uti Rogas, 27; Antiquo, 0; Abstineo, 1.
Congratulations, Lucius Aurelius Severus, Propraetor of of Provincia
Canada Orientalis of Nova Roma.

Item III: The Senate of Nova Roma approves the following Code of
Conduct, adopting its language as a basic policy of what the Senate
body believes to be an appropriate minimum standard of conduct for its
individual members. A Senatus Consultum does not override the
Censors' authority in this regard, but the Censors are invited to take
this adoption into consideration in any decisions they face regarding
conduct of Senators.
(for complete text, see message:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/47453 )

[FAC] Uti Rogas. I strongly vote for this item, we need a code ruling
this August Chamber against unpolite and offensive actions. The
Sanatores would be the conscience of the Res Publica and a good
example for the Populus. I only would suggest to insert (maybe in the
laws) more detailed guidelines.
[LAF] Uti Rogas. With some observations: "support and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma" doesn´t mean the Senator will prevent
himself to make any critic and remark to the constitution he considers
worthy for the better follow of Nova Roma to the true Roman way.
[MAM] Abstineo.
[MBA] Abstineo.
[MCJ] ANTIQUO. This document is so vague it is absurd. It can give no
help to the Censors, nor appraise the Senators of any definable course
of conduct.
[PC] Antiquo.
[GEM] Uti Rogas.
[LECA] Iterum ANTIQUO (a second time NO) "fere libenter homines id
quod volunt credunt".
[GFBM] Uti Rogas.
[CFBQ] Uti Rogas. I supported this the last time it was proposed and
see no reason to not support it now. As Nova Roma is an international
organization with citizens from different cultures I think it is wise
to have a common ground to stand on.
[QFM] Antiquo.
[CFD] Antiquo.
[TGP] Antiquo. Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo suggested that some of us
needed to comment on this issue more and some of us have but the
proposal is as it was when first presented. No changes have been made.
[MMPH] Uti Rogas.
[MIP] Abstineo.
[GL] Antiquo. I do not believe that we need to adopt a 'Code of
Conduct' to define what constitutes reasonable behaviour - if someone
is considered worthy of being admitted to the Senate in the first
place then they don't need treating like a school child, and as this
proposal doesn't even have any real legal weight, it also seems like
an exercise in futility.
[LMS] Abstineo. I consider there is no need for a code to rule the
behaviour of people's speeches. On the other hand, any time someone
acts in a rude way, I feel compulsive to tell him about (Not off as a
kid). Therefore, it is a good chance for some people to check their
own behaviour that maybe inspired tha
[MMA] Uti Rogas. I have written of my approval of this measure to some
extent, since I believe it to be a measure that will help the Senate
in their deliberations. I believe that I have fully understood the
points made by other Senators, and having understood them agree with
some and simply disagree with others. I see no threat in this
proposal to any Senator who pursues an adult line of Courtesy in
manner and speech, nor do I see a "plot" for the taking over of the
Religio Romano. I do not embrace this measure with the idea of
forcing anyone to live or alter his / her manner in any way, but
rather to live up to the Oath that we all hold dear, and to smooth the
path of our deliberations with courtesy and consideration for another
view.
[PMS] Uti Rogas.
[MOG] Uti Rogas.It is sufficiently vague that it will allow the
Censores to exercise judgement, yet still provide good guidelines to
the Senators.
[TOPA] Uti Rogas. With thanks to those who have worked to put these
together.
[GPL] Antiquo.
[GSA] Abstineo.
[JSM] ANTIQUO. I've given arguments on both sides careful
consideration, and greatly appreciated the recitation by M. Horatius
Piscinus of Cato's advice, but cannot help but feel that, code of
conduct or no code of conduct, those who value civility will conduct
themselves according to their natures and those who do not will not be
guided by such a code.
In any case, however repellent I may find certain modes of expression,
I cannot do otherwise than defend individual's right to free speech.
[LSA] Antiquo.
[QSP] Uti Rogas.
[ATMC] ANTIQUO. This one was not an easy decision for me, but I can
understand the arguments against this item, and tend to agree with them.
[FVG] Antiquo (no).

Results of Item III: Uti Rogas, 11; Antiquo, 12; Abstineo, 5.
The proposal does not pass.

Item IV: The Senate approves the formal assignment of the State of
Hawaii, U.S.A. to California Provincia Nova Roma.

[FAC] ABSTINEO. It seems that Hawaii is yet in Provincia California.
In any way I vote abstineo because if on one side Hawaii would need a
provincia and maybe California is the best choose, on the other side
the current California is not able to manage this isles too.
[LAF] ANTIQVO. Future Consul Paulinus as some ideas about provinciae
reforms. I will make a vote of confidence on his work.
[MAM] Uti Rogas.
[MBA] Uti Rogas.
[MCJ] Uti Rogas.
[PC] Uti Rogas.
[GEM] Uti Rogas.
[LECA] Uti Rogas. Since no actual Senatus Consultum has been found for
this matter, I've been advised that it wouldn't hurt to keep the item
on the agenda, in the interests of being legal and proper.
[GFBM] Uti Rogas.
[CFBQ] Uti Rogas. This seems reasonable to me.
[QFM] Uti Rogas.
[CFD] Uti Rogas.
[TGP] Antiquo. I believe the historic record shows that this was
already done in 2753 (2000)
[MMPH] Antiquo.
[MIP] Uti Rogas.
[GL] Uti Rogas.
[LMS] Antiquo. I don't believe this will help too much. Learning from
my own mistakes, I would say that adding new territory to a existing
Province without getting from the people of such territory the will or
the knowledge about, changes nothing the new Province. Therefore,
better to wait and think about some other ways.
[MMA] ABSTAIN. If the Regio Hawaii is already assigned to the Province
of California, I see no reason to vote. If the Regio Hawaii is not
yet assigned to a given Province, then some detailed reasoning should
be submitted as to it's determination.
[PMS] Uti Rogas.
[MOG] Antiquo.
[TOPA] Uti Rogas.
[GPL] Uti Rogas.
[GSA] ANTIQVO. I see no point in incorporating any number of citizens
to a Province that has not shown any activity whatsoever for several
years.
[JSM] ANTIQUO. I believe that the individual living in Hawai'i
deserves our attention and support. However, I believe provincial
boundaries should not encompass territory so vast as to be
impracticable and I would like to see provincial reform address this
at some future date.
[LSA] Uti Rogas.
[QSP] Antiquo.
[ATMC] Uti Rogas.
[FVG] Uti Rogas (yes)

Results of Item IV: Uti Rogas, 18; Antiquo, 8; Abstineo, 2.
The state of Hawaii, USA, is confirmed as part of Provincia California
of Nova Roma.

Item V: Proposal withdrawn for revision.

[PMS] I've done a double-take, and I am having some reservations about
the current presentation of Item V. After seeking advice from my
colleague and a couple of veteran Senators, I've decided to take this
off the ballot. I would like to see the criteria for Senate approval
for constitutional amendments less constricting, but this scheme would
prove to be not constricting enough for my comfort level. If we can
work something out for next ballot we can revisit it, but for the
moment, I'm going to can it.

[TGP] While this item has been withdrawn for revision I wish my
comments part of the public record.
The Senate advises that the following proposal for constitutional
amendment should be placed before the Comitia Centuriata (note...this
is not an attempt to ask the Senate to 'pre- ratify a constitutional
amendment, but a request for advice as to the plausibility of going
further with the item)
I Constitutional Basis, Section A2 CURRENTLY READS: 'This
constitution may be amended by a Lex passed by the Comitia Centuriata
and approved by a vote of two-thirds of the Senate.
PROPOSED REVISION: 'This constitution may be amended by a Lex passed
by the Comitia Centuriata and approved by 2/3 of Senators voting on
the amendment. The current rules on a quorum state that two-thirds of
the Senate is needed to conduct business. That means at least twenty-
four of thirty-six Senators must be in attendance. If sixteen of the
twenty-four vote for an amendment, under the proposed rule it would
allow a minority of Senators to ratify constitutional amendments.
Currently twenty-four Senators are need.
Sixteen of the current thirty-six Senators is not a good idea. It
could even be fewer if the current rules on a quorum were to be
changed to say fifty percent plus one of the Senate. ( A change in the
current rules only requires a majority plus one). In this case
nineteen Senators would constitute a quorum and thirteen would be need
to ratify a constitutional amendments. Thirteen out of thirty-six
Seantors. Again not a good idea.

Item VI: The Senate appoints Marcus Octavius Gracchus as Magister
Aranearius (webmaster) Novae Romae 2760 AVC

[FAC] Uti Rogas.
[LAF] Uti Rogas. He is the best.
[MAM] Uti Rogas.
[MBA] Uti Rogas.
[MCJ] Uti Rogas.
[PC] Uti Rogas.
[GEM] Uti Rogas.
[LECA] Uti Rogas.
[GFBM] Uti Rogas. Marcus Octavius Gracchus is an asset to Nova Roma
and I am pleased that he is willing to take on such an important task.
[CFBQ] Uti Rogas. Marcus Octavius Gracchus has always done a wonderful
job in this position when he has held it. I am grateful if he once
more takes this burden on his shoulders.
[QFM] Uti Rogas.
[CFD] Uti Rogas.
[TGP] Uti Rogas. We would be crazy not to except his service. His
willing to do a large amount of the grunt work is unmatched. He has my
sincere thanks.
[MMPH] Uti Rogas.
[MIP] Uti Rogas.
[GL] Uti Rogas.
[LMS] Uti Rogas.
[MMA] Uti Rogas. My thanks to Senator Octavius for all that he has
done, all the time he has spent, and all the finances donated to the
building of NR.
[PMS] Uti Rogas. My thanks to Marcus Octavius Gracchus for this, and
for all he's done for us in the past.
[MOG] Abstineo.
[TOPA] Uti Rogas.
[GPL] Uti Rogas.
[GSA] Uti Rogas.
[JSM] Uti Rogas. I have worked as Scriba to Marcus Octavius Gracchus
in the past and find his service to be exemplary in every way.
[LSA] Uti Rogas.
[QSP] Uti Rogas. I special thanks to Marcus Octavius Gracchus for
handling this big responsibility.
[ATMC] Uti Rogas. Marcus Octavius has for years done an excellent job,
and has the sincere thanks of this Senator.
[FVG] Uti Rogas (yes)

Results of Item VI: Uti Rogas, 27; Antiquo, 0; Abstineo, 1.
Congratulations, Marcus Octavius Gracchus, Magister Aranearius designati.

Item VII: The Senate recognizes Sodalitas Graeciae as an official
Sodalitas of Nova Roma.
(for complete text, see message:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/47453 )

[FAC] Uti Rogas. The greek culture is part of the Roman and Classic
Culture, the Greek was the common international tongue out the italica
peninsula, I don't see reason to refuse it and its studies.
[LAF] Uti Rogas. A good new indeed.
[MAM] Uti Rogas.
[MBA] Uti Rogas.
[MCJ] Uti Rogas.
[PC] Uti Rogas.
[GEM] Uti Rogas.
[LECA] Absto. I don't want to hinder citizens from that which they
desire, but I also don't understand why they need to have this in Nova
Roma.
[GFBM] Uti Rogas. I think it is important for the Senate to support
the interests of our citizens. I believe that this Sodalitas will be a
benefit to Nova Roma and I applaud those individuals spearheading the
project.
[CFBQ] Uti Rogas. If there are citizens who feel they want to do this
within Nova Roma I see no reason to stand in their way.
[QFM] Antiquo. This was a tough one. I want to give the Roman people
what they want, yet we should be studying Romans. Since I'm grounded
in the classics I understand exactly what the Hellenes did for
improving Rome, and later, a club such as this might be a benefit.
But right now I do not believe this, or a Keltic, or a Germanic club
would benefit Nova Roma.
[CFD] Abstineo.
[TGP] Uti Rogas.
[MMPH] Uti Rogas.
[MIP] ANTIQVO. I really don't see how this could make Nova Roma closer
to Ancient Rome; in my humble opinion a simple mailing list can
satisfy who want to chat about Rome and the Ellenic world without
being an official/recognized NR organization.
[GL] Uti Rogas.
[LMS] Uti Rogas.
[MMA] Uti Rogas. Several comments on this item were worthy of detailed
consideration. Certainly our focus in NR should be on the ancient
Roman Culture. However, much of what later became the Roman Culture
was adopted or combined from the Greeks. Many, if not most, of the
technical ideas to come to it's fuller development under the detailed
and consistent energies of the Romans came from the Greeks. Much of
Roman Philosophy was originated in the minds of the Greek world.
Finally as the Honored Consul has indicated, in Nova Roma new ideas,
and new citizens should be encouraged and not discouraged in their
efforts for the state.
[PMS] Uti Rogas.
[MOG] Uti Rogas.
[TOPA] Uti Rogas. The Romans recognised a lot of their higher culture
derived from the Greek, why should not we?
[GPL] Uti Rogas.
[GSA] Uti Rogas.
[JSM] Uti Rogas.
[LSA] Antiquo.
[QSP] Uti Rogas. Greek was indeed the universal language of the Roman
Empire. Music to art came to the Romans from the Greek culture. I
recall that no Roman magistrate got provincial postings ie overseas
positions without being fluent in Greek. I wish the best to all those
who wish to learn more about ancient Greek culture - especially the
language.

[ATMC] Uti Rogas. Another difficult decision. However, I believe that
this one is appropriate and so my vote reflects that belief.
[FVG] Antiquo (no).

Results of Item VII: Uti Rogas, 22; Antiquo, 4; Abstineo, 2.
Sodalitas Graeciae is now an official Sodalitas of Nova Roma.

Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior
Tribunus Plebis

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