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Tribunus Plebis Marcus Arminius Maior Quiritibus
salutem plurimam
dicit:

Report of Senate session

Senate Voting Results, as published on pridie Nonas
Iunias MMDCCLIX A.U.C. (04 June 2006 CE).

The Senate was called to order on May 21, 2006 (2759)
by Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo.

The Contio was held on agenda items from 24 May 2006
through 28 May 2006.
Voting on the agenda items was then held from 28 May
2006, 20:00, through 31 May 2006, 20:00 Rome time.

On 31th of May, the latest session of the Senate of
Nova Roma was declared closed by the Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo,
in which 28 of the 37 senatores voted, fulfilling the
quorum needed for the session.

Here are the list of the voting Senators,
alphabetically listed by nomen:

*[SAS] Sextus Apollonius Scipio
*[FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
*[MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior
*[MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
*[CCS] Caius Curius Saturninus
*[ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica
*[LECA] Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
*[GFBM] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
*[CFBQ] Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
*[QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus
*[CFD] Caius Flavius Diocletianus
*[TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
*[MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus
*[DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
*[TLF] Titus Labienus Fortunatus
*[MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens
*[LMS] Lucius Minicius Sceptius
*[PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo
*[AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
*[MOG] Marcus Octavius Germanicus
*[TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
*[GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas
*[GSA] Gnaeus Salvius Astur
*[JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna
*[LSA] Lucius Sergius Australicus
*[QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
*[ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
*[FVG] Flavius Vedius Germanicus

The following senatores failed to vote in this
session:

*[MAGG] Marcus Antonius Gryllus Graecus
*[LAF] Lucius Arminius Faustus
*[MCJ] Marcus Cassius Julianus
*[PC] Patricia Cassia
*[MCS] Manius Constantinus Serapio
*[LCSF] Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
*[GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
*[GL] Gaia Livia
*[GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus

Commments: Senator M. Antonius Gryllus Graecus send
his vote before the voting period, and Senator Gn. Equitius Marinus
send his proxy, that was not effected.

The items for consideration were as follows:

ITEM I: Gubernatorial Candidates

i. Candidates for Mediatlantica Propraetorship. There
are two candidates asking for appointment:- Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Senator et Praetor is to be appointed Propraetor Mediatlantica
- Gaius Equitius Cato Curule Aedile is to be appointed Propraetor
Mediatlantica

*SAS : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*FAC : Abstineo.
*MAM : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*MBA : Uti Rogas, for both candidates.
*CCS : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*ECF : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*LECA: Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
*CFBM: Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*QFM : Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
*CFD : Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
*TGP : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*MIP : Abstineo.
*DIPI: Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*TLF : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*MMA : Uti Rogas, for both candidates.
*LMS : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*PMS : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*AMA : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*MOG : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*TOPA: Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*GPL : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*GSA : Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
*JSM : Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
*LSA : Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
*QSP : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
8ATMC: Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
*FVG : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.

Candidate Ti. Galerius Paulinus received 20 Uti
Rogas, candidate G. Equitius Cato received 8 uti Rogas,
and there were 2 abstentions (2 senatores voted for both).

Congratulation Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, appointed
by the Senatus Propraetor of Provincia Mediatlantica.

Comments from Senatores:

*TOPA: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is clearly the more
qualified and experienced candidate and as such has my vote.
*CCS : While both of the candidates have my support,
I feel proper to vote the one which I see as more qualified for the
position. I'm glad to see that there is actually a
choice for propraetorship in provincia, let's hope that in the
future too the Senate has the privilege to choose from many
candidates when filling propraetorships.
*LECA: I believe that Cato is most qualified. He is
Curule Aedile and as current Legate to Nova Eboracum Mediatlantica he
has proven himself as Quaestor along with his contributions to the coin
project and his informative daily posts to the Forum.
*GFBM: Between the two choices of Cato or Paulinus I
believe that Paulinus is the most qualified. With Paulinus being a
current Praetor it seems only fitting that he should also serve as a
provincial governor.
*GPL : I have the greatest respect for Gaius
Equitius, but I believe Paulinus to be the better choice at this point.
I hope Cato will continue to serve as a provincial Legate.
*JSM : I consider both candidates to be qualified;
Cato, however, has a track record of organising
face-to-face meetings of provincials -- a
thing I consider essential to furthering provincial involvement
And commitment to Nova Roma.
*DIPI: Nothing against Cato, he has served well so
far in his brief service to the republic but it would be doing a
disservice to Nova Roma and the cursus honorum to appoint an
aedile as governor over a sitting praetor and senator.
*QFM : Equitius is qualified, and knowledgeable. I
dont agree with his religious views, but thats the beauty of non
discrimination.

ii Candidate for America Austrorientalis
Propraetorship Flavius Galerius Aurelianus Flamen Cerealis is to
be appointed Propraetor America Austrorientalis.

*SAS : Uti Rogas.
*FAC : Uti Rogas.
*MAM : Uti Rogas.
*MBA : Uti Rogas.
*CCS : Uti Rogas.
*ECF : Uti Rogas.
*LECA: Uti Rogas.
*CFBM: Uti Rogas.
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas.
*QFM : Uti Rogas.
*CFD : Uti Rogas.
*TGP : Uti Rogas.
*MIP : Uti Rogas.
*DIPI: Uti Rogas.
*TLF : Uti Rogas.
*MMA : Uti Rogas.
*LMS : Uti Rogas.
*PMS : Uti Rogas.
*AMA : Uti Rogas.
*MOG : Uti Rogas.
*TOPA: Uti Rogas.
*GPL : Uti Rogas.
*GSA : Uti Rogas.
*JSM : Uti Rogas.
*LSA : Uti Rogas.
*QSP : Uti Rogas.
*ATMC: Uti Rogas.
*FVG : Uti Rogas.

Candidate Flavius Galerius Aurelianus received 28
Uti Rogas, and is appointed unanimously.

Congratulations Flavius Galerius Aurelianus, appointed by the
Senatus Propraetor of Provincia America Austrorientalis.

Comments from Senatores:
*QFM : Galerius is one of our more active members of
NR.

iii Candidate for California Proconsulship
Quintus Fabius Maximus Senator is to be appointed
Propraetor (Proconsul) California.

*SAS : Uti Rogas.
*FAC : Antiquo.
*MAM : Uti Rogas.
*MBA : Uti Rogas.
*CCS : Antiquo.
*ECF : Antiquo.
*LECA: Uti Rogas.
*CFBM: Antiquo.
*CFBQ: Antiquo.
*QFM : Uti Rogas.
*CFD : Uti Rogas.
*TGP : Uti Rogas.
*MIP : Antiquo.
*DIPI: Uti Rogas.
*TLF : Uti Rogas.
*MMA : Uti Rogas.
*LMS : Abstineo.
*PMS : Antiquo.
*AMA : Abstineo.
*MOG : Uti Rogas.
*TOPA: Antiquo.
*GPL : Uti Rogas.
*GSA : Antiquo.
*JSM : Antiquo.
*LSA : Uti Rogas.
*QSP : Uti Rogas.
*ATMC: Uti Rogas.
*FVG : Uti Rogas.

Candidate Q. Fabius Maximus received 16 Uti Rogas,
10 Antiquo and 2
abstentions.

Congratulations Q. Fabius Maximus, appointed by the
Senatus Proconsul of Provincia California.

Comments from Senatores:
*TOPA: I request the Consuls approach the tax-paying
citizens of California and ask one of them to candidate for the
position. The problems mentioned in the census and by several
senators demonstrate quite clearly that new leadership is needed in this
provincia.
*MOG : Frankly, I'm tired of all the blather about him having made a
"threat". It was clearly a joke, and hopefully by this vote of confidence we can put this matter to rest.
*FAC : I think that California needs a new governor
able to raise new citizens and make active the Provincia.
The only activity which could be organized is a collaboration with Getty Museum
which is involved in one of the biggest archeological swindle because
accused to traffic illegal rests stolen in Italy.
*TGP : There seems to me to be a large amount of
truth in what our Pater Patriae Flavius Vedius Germanicus has said on
the subject of Quintus Fabius service as governor of California. The
Senate should give serious thought to setting goals in terms of
taxpayers and additional citizens as well as face to face meetings
for each province. Some thought should also be given to
reducing the size of some of our provinces.
*CCS : California needs an active propraetor.
*MMA : I asked the Senate for their views on this as
I was not sure how to vote, considering the items mentioned in my
post. Apparently some Senators do not believe that each of us have the
right to our beliefs, and must criticize everything said which
disagrees with their views. However, four Senators replied to my questions
and concerns, and made many good points. Some I had not considered
sufficiently until I read their messages. My thanks to these five
Senators as your comments have helped me greatly in making my decision.
I also thank Senator Octavious for his input although it was not
quite so polite. Senator Maximus has also provided some new material
that I was not aware of. Considering all this material together, I
have decided to continue to support Senator Maximus in his request to
take up once more his Proconsulship in California, based on the
replies to my question, and to the sensibility and service that all
of the above have demonstrated. Most of the problems that Senator
Maximus has in his Province, I find are significant in my province as
well, and the size problems of the provinces of California and Nova
Britannia are very similar.
*GSA : I was planning to abstain on this item,
considering that any governor, no matter how bad, is better than no
governor at all, and offering Q.Fabius Maximus the opportunity to improve
the situation in California. However, instead of describing his future
plans for his provincia, Q.Fabius Maximus has spent the contio
trying to excuse his lack of past activity in terms that do not allow me to
foresee any future improvement. Besides, his excuses are not
convincing enough to me; I live in a province (Hispania) which is
comparable in extension (194,897 sq mi) and population (44 million
inhabitants) to California, and mine is a very active and lively province thanks
to the good work of successive provincial governments over the years.
Therefore, I vote *against* Q. Fabius Maximus being reinstated as
governor for another bare, fruitless year. Maybe the void will encourage
other California citizens to present themselves for the office, and we
might one day have the propraetor that California deserves.
*AMA : I have not met Senator Fabius, nor do I feel
that I have followed the debate enough to express an opinion on
this matter.
*GFBM: I had originally intended to vote Uti Rogas
for Senator Maximus. However, the way he responded to Caeso
Fabius Buteo Quintilianus gives me reason to question his
intentions, and ability to function as Proconsul. I'm not sure I believe all
of the rhetoric against Maximus, but I do know that his response to
Quintilianus was unnecessary as it was worded.
*ATMC: Although Senator Fabius is, a overly rough in
his dealing with people at times, asnd there were threats etc., and
even got me a bit angry with him once long ago, I hold no grudge, and
respect his great knowledge, and contributions to Nova Roma over the
years. I would like to believe, that he perhaps has learned something from
our friendly criticism, and that he can perhaps try to change his
approach when dealing with those that he strongly disagrees with.
All of us are human and have our failings. The thing to always work
on is to improve ourselves in our relationships with others. I am
willing to support Senator Fabius this time, to give him the opportunity
to demonstrate that he is the right person. Yes, there are those here
who will say that I am making a mistake, and perhaps you are right,
but I am willing to give him another chance.
*JSM : For an individual to be successful in the
office of propraetor of any provincia requires strong people skills --
motivating and encouraging citizen involvement and recognising
superior contributions. Those who have met Fabius Maximus may
see another side of him. I, however, must base my decision on years of
reading his postings to this and other lists, and I find Fabius
Maximus unsuited to lead a provincia, based on my observations.
*DIPI: Fabius is often berated for his behavior but
his critics in this issue have often been far worse than he in the
manner of their criticism. Fabius has done nothing but behave
honorably in the matter of his proconsulship.
*QFM : Im voting for myself because if I abstain its
the same as a no vote.
*LSA : What sense is there in turning down Quintus
Fabius' request to continue and instead go to citizens who have expressed
no interest in the post and asking them to take it?

ITEM II:
Propraetrix et Senatrix Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
has requested that she receive payment for 50% of her province's tax
remittance from 2005 and 2006, less transfer costs, based on accounts
receivable spreadsheets, managed by Quaestors. This shall be
granted as per prevailing law and payment forwarded to her by
Patricia Cassia on behalf of this august body.

*SAS : Uti Rogas.
*FAC : Uti Rogas.
*MAM : Uti Rogas.
*MBA : Uti Rogas.
*CCS : Uti Rogas.
*ECF : Uti Rogas.
*LECA: Antiquo.
*CFBM: Uti Rogas.
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas.
*QFM : Antiquo.
*CFD : Antiquo.
*TGP : Uti Rogas.
*MIP : Uti Rogas.
*DIPI: Abstineo.
*TLF : Uti Rogas.
*MMA : Uti Rogas.
*LMS : Uti Rogas.
*PMS : Uti Rogas.
*AMA : Uti Rogas.
*MOG : Uti Rogas.
*TOPA: Uti Rogas.
*GPL : Uti Rogas.
*GSA : Antiquo.
*JSM : Uti Rogas.
*LSA : Antiquo.
*QSP : Uti Rogas.
*ATMC: Uti Rogas.
*FVG : Antiquo.

The proposal of Item II received 21 Uti Rogas, 6
Antiquo and 1 abstention, and the item passes.

Comments from Senatores:
*CFBQ: I fully trust Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia to
use these funds for the best of the Res Publica and her provincia.
*PMS : I am pleased to vote to extend this funding to
Arnamentia
*Moravia Aurelia, citizen since 2002 who has proven
herself to be an attentive, outstanding Propraetrix et al. Her agenda
of plans for the provincia looks exciting and will benefit the republic
as a whole.
Her province's tax money is in good hands with her.
She is requesting funding for the time she has been Propraetrix only.
Our budget has an annual amount dedicated to provincia tax portions.
This is one of these times the money is being requisitioned. The last
instance I can see was Hispania in 2002, and they received the
funding as requested.
*FVG : While I do not have any objection to the
proper application of our law regarding taxes, it is my understanding that
we have yet to receive the promised "figures and letter of
explanation of the Propraetrix". I certainly have nothing to that effect
in my email inbox. On that basis alone I must say no.
*GSA : I do not want this vote to be seen as a vote
against Arnamentia Moravia's performance as propraetrix; I am
quite happy with her. Rather, it is a vote against the possibility that
the budget of a previous year be modified after that year is over. I
explicitly would like to invite Propraetrix Arnamentia Moravia to
present a plan and a budget for the activities she plans to fund with that
money this year, and I will be more than happy to vote in favour of
that very same amount of money - or even more, if necessary. But, in
principle, we can not allow for this kind of bad accountancy
practices. Last year's exercise has been closed, and that should be the end
of it. Hispania did request a refunding four years ago, but we did not
request refunding from previous years - only for the period of
that very same year. That makes a lot of difference.
*JSM : I know my colleague personally and, based on
her performance as my legata, as well as my firm conviction that
activities such as those she has outlined are essential to strengthen the
bonds between civis and Nova Roma, I am glad to
support her proposals.
*QFM : I understand that 50% of revenue was to
returned to the provinces if requested. I assumed that meant that it
would be for a significant event or happening. Senator Moravia does
not make a compelling argument of HOW these monies were to be
used for the event. General expenses should be budgeted by the
administration, for reimbursement, or raised separately from the citizenry
and various fund raisers.

ITEM III:
Propraetor et Senator Caius Curius Saturninus
requests that the 5% from his calendar sales payable to Nova Roma be
applied to the Magna Mater Fund. These calendars were approved of the
Senate in January of this year and are advertised on www.novaroma.org This
financial reconcilliation will be made prior to the final budget
presentation on or about Dec. 15, 2959 AUC

*SAS : Uti Rogas.
*FAC : Uti Rogas.
*MAM : Antiquo.
*MBA : Uti Rogas.
*CCS : Uti Rogas.
*ECF : Uti Rogas.
*LECA: Antiquo.
*CFBM: Antiquo.
*CFBQ: Uti Rogas.
*QFM : Antiquo.
*CFD : Antiquo.
*TGP : Antiquo.
*MIP : Uti Rogas.
*DIPI: Antiquo.
*TLF : Uti Rogas.
*MMA : Antiquo.
*LMS : Uti Rogas.
*PMS : Uti Rogas.
*AMA : Uti Rogas.
*MOG : "mu", interpreted as "no voting".
*TOPA: Uti Rogas.
*GPL : Antiquo.
*GSA : Antiquo.
*JSM : Antiquo.
*LSA : Uti Rogas.
*QSP : Uti Rogas.
*ATMC: Uti Rogas.
*FVG : Antiquo.

The proposal of Item III received 15 Uti Rogas, 12
Antiquo, 1 senator refused to vote, and the item passes.

Comments from Senatores:
*CFBQ: I don't think any Senator who contribute shall
have the right to decide where the money should go, but on the other
hand I would listen to a suggestion from anybody and this
suggestion is a good one.
Here we have chance to strengthen the only ongoing
Nova Roma project and I for one will take that chance. Still I must once
more encourage the Consuls to set one (we need to be careful when
taking on such responsibilities so that we will be able to meet our
own promises) more project. I have mentioned Vindolanda (on the
Hadrian wall) in Britannia before in different forums. As this year's
European Conventus is located on this very wall it becomes an
excellent target for our support if it is at all possible, something
that our excellent Propraetor of Britannia is well placed to find out.
*MOG : My preference would be to abstain from voting
on matters in which I have no particular knowledge or interest; and
allocation of funds is generally one of those. Unfortunately, there
is no such thing as an abstain vote under the Senate procedures of the
past few years; no way to declare oneself neutral. This should have
been fixed a long time ago. Thus I vote: Mu.
*FAC : The Magna Mater Project, our most important
project, needs more funds to move to a more advances level.
8QSP : A very worthwhile project that helps give NR
good credibility.
*TGP : It will take years for Caius Curius Saturninus
to recover his investment and I would like the Senate to rebate the
5% to Caius Curius Saturninus so this happens sooner.
*CCS : Magna Mater project needs much more
contributions than donations have given this far. With this request I
want to encourage private citizens to make more donations and the whole
of Nova Roma to give more support for the project.
*GSA : Although I would personally like to thank my
excellent friend and colleague C. Curius Saturninus for his generosity,
I think, again, that it is bad practice for donors to dictate to the
Senate the terms in which their donations should be spent. That is the
prerogative of the Senate, according to the needs of Nova Roma, and
no one else's. Otherwise, Saturninus could directly donate to the
Magna Mater fund through the channels provided for such donations,
without needing permission from the Senate.
*AMA : A worthy project.
*GFBM: I am very supportive of the Magna Mater
project, so I do not want my vote to be seen as a means to undermine this
excellent project. The reason for my vote is because the Magna
Mater project has a few individuals who have donated considerable
donations to the project in the past few months. I also know of some
pending fundraisers by the Aediles to boost the Magna Mater
fund. The Nova Roma treasury needs its own source of income, and
allowing Equestrians to dictate were their percentage donations are going
to go could lead to long term problems. I would rather the fund be
sent to the Nova Roma treasury. If at any time the Magna Mater Project
is in need of funds they can always request funds from the treasury
*JSM : I do not believe that this sets a good budgetary precedent.
The calendar is an outstanding project, as is Magna
Mater. But we are responsible for the overall financial health of Nova
Roma, and the decline in our tax revenues is a cause for long-term
concern.
*DIPI: I agree with Astur that it would be a bad precedent for
donations be directed to specific funds without prior
approval of the senate. As noted, he certaiinly can direct an
additional 5 percent to the Magna Mater fund.
*QFM : I believe that if the Senate wants to give
money to MM fund, it will come out of the general fund. I admire Curius
zeal to the Great Mother, but this just sets a dangerous precedent
of separating funds within the general fund.

Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior
Tribunus Plebis

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