Senate Voting Results

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Senate Voting Results

05 Ianuarius MMDCCLV

Tribunus Plebis Marcus Arminius Maior Senatoribus SPD

The Senate has finished its latest session, and the
votes have been tallied. I ask each Senator who voted
to make sure that I have correctly reported his vote
and any comments he may have made; and i ask Tribunus
Astur to confirm this report.

The following 16 Senatores cast votes. They are
referred to below by their initials, and are listed in
alphabetical order by nomen:
Patricia Cassia (PC)
Marcus Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (LCSF)
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo (PCS)
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (LEC)
Quintus Fabius Maximus (QFM)
Caius Flavius Diocletianus (CFD)
Antonius Gryllus Graecus (AGG)
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus (DIPI)
Marcus Iunius Iulianus (MII)
Titus Labienus Fortunatus (TLF)
Gaius Marius Merullus (CMM)
Marcus Minucius Audens (MMA)
Marcus Octavius Germanicus (MOG)
Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus (LSAO)
Flavius Vedius Germanicus (FVG)

The following Senatores did not vote:
Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonius
Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Gaius Tullius Triumphius Cicero

Some items needs 2/3 majority vote to be approved.
With 16 Senatores voting, this 2/3 majority will be
reached with at least 11 senatores voting UTI ROGAS
(yes).

"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item,
"ANTIQUO" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO" is an
abstention.


The items for consideration are as follows:

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ITEM I. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Correctione
Incorporatonis

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described
by the Lex Vedia de Correctione Incorporatonis, which
was passed by the Comitia Centuriata in October 2001,
are hereby ratified. The copy of the Constitution as
maintained in the Tabularium section of the
Novaroma.org website shall be updated accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this
measure.]

*PASSED* Unanimously.  YES, 16;  NO, 0;  ABSTENTION,
0.

- The Lex Vedia de Correctione Incorporatione will be
added to the Tabularium.

PC    UTI ROGAS.
MCJ   UTI ROGAS.
LCSF  UTI ROGAS.
PCS   UTI ROGAS.
LEC   UTI ROGAS.
QFM   UTI ROGAS.
CFD   UTI ROGAS.
AGG   UTI ROGAS.
DIPI  UTI ROGAS.
MII   UTI ROGAS.
TLF   UTI ROGAS.
CMM   UTI ROGAS. I vote to ratify the lex.
MMA   UTI ROGAS.
MOG   UTI ROGAS.
LSAO  UTI ROGAS.
FVG   UTI ROGAS.

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Item II. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Provinciis

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described
by the Lex Vedia de Provinciis, which was passed by
the Comitia Centuriata in October 2001, are hereby
ratified. The copy of the Constitution as maintained
in the Tabularium section of the Novaroma.org website
shall be updated accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this
measure.]

*PASSED*  YES, 15;  NO, 1;  ABSTENTION, 0.

- The Lex Vedia de Provinciis will be added to the
Tabularium.

PC    UTI ROGAS.
MCJ   UTI ROGAS.
LCSF  UTI ROGAS.
PCS   UTI ROGAS.
LEC   UTI ROGAS.
QFM   UTI ROGAS.
CFD   UTI ROGAS.
AGG   UTI ROGAS.
DIPI  UTI ROGAS.
MII   UTI ROGAS.
TLF   UTI ROGAS.
CMM   ANTIQUO. I vote against ratification of this
lex. I believe that it alters the constitution to the
detriment of the provinces, and removes useful
standardized titles for provincial governors, without
providing any substantial benefit. It is a definite
step backward as far as I can tell.
MMA   UTI ROGAS.
MOG   UTI ROGAS.
LSAO  UTI ROGAS.
FVG   UTI ROGAS.

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Item III. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Tribuni
(or: Lex Vedia de Tribunis)

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described
by the Lex Vedia de
Tribuni, which was passed by the Comitia Centuriata in
December 2001, are
hereby ratified. The copy of the Constitution as
maintained in the
Tabularium section of the Novaroma.org website shall
be updated accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this
measure.]

*PASSED*  YES, 12;  NO, 1;  ABSTENTION, 3.

- The Lex Vedia de Tribunis will be added to the
Tabularium.

PC    UTI ROGAS.
MCJ   UTI ROGAS.
LCSF  UTI ROGAS.
PCS   UTI ROGAS.
LEC   ABSTINEO.
QFM   ANTIQUO. I'm still not certain enough safeguards
are in place, to avoid the mad tribunes scenario that
has been discused.
CFD   ABSTINEO.
AGG   UTI ROGAS.
DIPI  ABSTINEO.
MII   UTI ROGAS.
TLF   UTI ROGAS.
CMM   UTI ROGAS. I vote to ratify the lex, and also
move that its title be corrected to Lex Vedia de
Tribunis.
MMA   UTI ROGAS.
MOG   UTI ROGAS.
LSAO  UTI ROGAS.
FVG   UTI ROGAS.

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Item IV. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Liberus
Civium (or: Lex Vedia de Liberis Civium)

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described
by the Lex Vedia de Liberus Civium, which was passed
by the Comitia Centuriata in December 2001, are hereby
ratified. The copy of the Constitution as maintained
in the Tabularium section of the Novaroma.org website
shall be updated accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this
measure.]

*PASSED* Unanimously.  YES, 16;  NO, 0;  ABSTENTION,
0.

- The Lex Vedia de Liberis Civium will be added to the
Tabularium.

PC    UTI ROGAS.
MCJ   UTI ROGAS.
LCSF  UTI ROGAS.
PCS   UTI ROGAS.
LEC   UTI ROGAS.
QFM   UTI ROGAS.
CFD   UTI ROGAS.
AGG   UTI ROGAS.
DIPI  UTI ROGAS.
MII   UTI ROGAS.
TLF   UTI ROGAS.
CMM   UTI ROGAS. I vote to ratify the lex, and also
move that its title be corrected to Lex Vedia de
Liberis Civium.
MMA   UTI ROGAS.
MOG   UTI ROGAS.
LSAO  UTI ROGAS.
FVG   UTI ROGAS.

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Item V. Modification of Senatus Consultum on Taxation

Whereas it has been determined that requiring bonding
for those individuals entrusted to handle official
funds is too expensive to undertake under our current
circumstances, paragraph IV.B. of the Senatus
Consultum on Taxation (passed in July 2001), which
requires all appointed publicanii to be so bonded, is
hereby eliminated from that Senatus Consultum.

*PASSED*  YES, 14;  NO, 0;  ABSTENTION, 2.

PC    UTI ROGAS.
MCJ   UTI ROGAS.
LCSF  ABSTINEO. The reason I am abstianing for this is
due to the fact that eventually our Publicani, when we
have them, will need to be bonded.
PCS   ABSTINEO. I am not against taxation, but I think
a couple of items need to be clarified before I am
fully comfortable with the verbage of this consultum,
as modified.
LEC   UTI ROGAS.
QFM   UTI ROGAS.
CFD   UTI ROGAS.
AGG   UTI ROGAS. 
DIPI  UTI ROGAS.
MII   UTI ROGAS.
TLF   UTI ROGAS.
CMM   UTI ROGAS.
MMA   UTI ROGAS.
MOG   UTI ROGAS.
LSAO  UTI ROGAS.
FVG   UTI ROGAS.

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Item VI. Nomination of Priscilla Vedia Serena

The Censores are hereby notified that, in accordance
with the Lex Vedia Senatoria, Priscilla Vedia Serena,
in recognition of her service to the Republic as
Curatrix Sermo and her long-standing dedication and
involvement in Nova Roman affairs since its inception,
is hereby nominated for inclusion in the Senate.

*PASSED*  YES, 10;  NO, 3;  ABSTENTION, 2.

- The name of Priscilla Vedia Serena is added to the
senatorial roll of approved names, suggested to the
Censores to be added to the Album Senatorium, at their
discretion.

PC    UTI ROGAS. I vote "Uti rogas" (yes) to all seven
items, with a special commendation to Priscilla Vedia,
whose service and dedication will be welcome in this
body.
MCJ   UTI ROGAS.
LCSF  ABSTINEO. I believe (despite the current laws)
that all nominations that are made should consult the
Censors BEFORE placing them before the Senate.
PCS   UTI ROGAS. Although I am not fully comfortable
for the timing of these nominations, for reasons on
which I will elaborate more fully in a separate
correspondence, I shall abide by the law as it reads
and judge Priscilla Vedia Serena on her merits, and
not on any personal trepidation regarding the timing.
Priscilla, on the basis of your service to the
respublica, and your wisdom and virtue, I say UTI
ROGAS.
LEC   ANTIQUO. As stated earlier, "I would have
preferred to have been consulted, along with my
colleague and future colleague, before a list of
candidates was proposed. As I had posted (even)
earlier on this subject, I will consider additional
Senatores only after the completion of the elections,
when it will be known who must be added by law before
the addition of Senator is contemplated."
QFM   UTI ROGAS. Priscilla Vedia Serena has surprised
me with her zeal and diligence, despite having a child
this year.  Nova Roma needs devoted people like her,
and hopefully she will set an example for our other
non senatorial female magistrates.
CFD   ANTIQUO. Im ambivalent. Serena and I were
opposing candidates and during the election campaign
we clashed few times. But this is not a reason for me
to vote against. I appreciate her dedication to the
res publica and her past and current work as Curatrix
Sermonem. But, as Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus and
Lucius Cornelius Sulla stated correctly in my eyes,
the Censores should be consulted before candidates for
the Senate are nominated. This is not a vote against
the person Serena, my decision is based on procedural
considerations.
AGG   ANTIQUO. Latin should be the official language
of Nova Roma and thus excempt from Censorial
restrictions on language. Those who betray Latinitas
betray Romanitas.
DIPI  UTI ROGAS.
 Both Flavius Vedius and Lucius Equitius are right in
this matter. Flavius Vedius was strictly within his
legal rights as consul to nominate whomever he pleased
to the list of senatorial candidates for the senate to
vote upon. It would have been good form, however, to
have the nomination of his wife put forward by his
consular colleague and to have personally abstained on
the item. Lucius Equitius is right when he says it
would have been common courtesy for Flavius Vedius to
have consulted or at least informed the censors ahead
of time of the people he intended to nominate. In the
end the censors make the decision as to who will join
the senate so it would be ethically right though not
legally required that they be consulted ahead of time.

 I am a little surprised at Flavius Vedius' reaction
to Lucius Equitius and I ask that he see things
through his eyes. 2 years ago, in the closing days of
my consulship I nominated 3 people to be voted upon by
the senate. I was also censor and took it for granted
that my colleague, Flavius Vedius, would have no
objections to my nominations. While he had no
objections to my candidates he did object to me that I
had not consulted or informed him ahead of time of
what I intended to do, saying it would have been
common courtesy. Flavius Vedius was right then and
Lucius Equitius is right now. 
 Obviously by what I have said I was initally inclined
to abstain on these items but will not since what I
have talked of is not in the letter of the law but
rather its spirit. 
 Priscilla Vedia Serena has served Nova Roma well over
the last year and has been with us since the
beginnning. She is obviously dedicated to our nation
and capable. I vote that she be added to the list of
potential senate candidates for the censors to consult
as they may wish, at their discretion. 
MII   UTI ROGAS.
TLF   UTI ROGAS. 
CMM   ABSTINEO. With no disrespect meant to the
Consules or the candidate, I believe that the process
of accession to the Senate needs clarification.
MMA   UTI ROGAS. Both Serena and Quintillianus haved
worked hard for Nova Roma, and have labored in her
cause unceaseingly. 
MOG   UTI ROGAS. 
LSAO  UTI ROGAS. Some may expect that I would be cool
to this nomination because P. Vedia and I have clashed
in the past over her conduct of her duties as list
moderator. I reject that as a valid reason to oppose
her nomination to the Senate. Good and reasonable
people may disagree, sometimes sharply. I am inclined
to abstain because I agree with others that this
method is somewhat ahistorical. The Censores still
have the sole authority to determine whether those
nominated join the Senate, but for us to nominate
someone puts the Censores "on the spot" to reject
them. I am also a little uncomfortable that P. Vedia's
name is put forward by her husband. Without prejudice
as to her qualifications, that seems vaguely improper.
Perhaps it is not, but it "feels" that way to me. It
might have been better if someone else had put her
name forward. All of that being said, I must agree
with F. Vedius that the law that we have put on the
books is the law we must follow unless and until it is
changed. The desireability of the process itself is
not what is before us right now, nor the propriety of
nomination by one's spouse. P. Vedia has been a
fighter for Nova Roma and deserves to be considered by
the Censores for inclusion in the Senate. Therefore L.
Sergius Australicus votes Uti Rogas (yes).
FVG   UTI ROGAS. 

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Item VII. Nomination of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

The Censores are hereby notified that, in accordance
with the Lex Vedia Senatoria, Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus, in recognition of his service to the
Republic as an outstanding and extraordinarily active
Governor of Provincia Thule, is hereby nominated for
inclusion in the Senate.

*PASSED*  YES, 11;  NO, 2;  ABSTENTION, 2.

- The name of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus is added to
the senatorial roll of approved names, suggested to
the Censores to be added to the Album Senatorium, at
their discretion.

PC    UTI ROGAS.
MCJ   UTI ROGAS.
LCSF  ABSTINEO. I believe (despite the current laws)
that all nominations that are made should consult the
Censors BEFORE placing them before the Senate.
PCS   UTI ROGAS. Again, objectively judging the
candidate for his contributions to the respublica and
his personal merits, I believe he will be a
contributory Senator for Nova Roma.
LEC   ANTIQUO.
 As stated earlier,"I would have preferred to have
been consulted, along with my colleague and future
colleague, before a list of candidates was proposed.
As I had posted (even) earlier on this subject, I will
consider additional Senatores only after the
completion of the elections, when it will be known who
must be added by law before the addition of Senator is
contemplated."
 When my new colleague and I have had time to discuss
the matter of whether or not to add any additional
Senator(es) and who they might be, we will then
contact the Consules with a list of candidates and how
many from the list will be considered. I hope the next
time this subject is brought before the Senate the
actual keepers of the 'Album Senatorium' are
consulted.
QFM   UTI ROGAS. No I won't abstain. This August body
needs dedicated Provincial Praetors such as Fabius.
Especially in Europe. What better way to reward hard
work and deligence then the marble bench? Nova Roma
needs this, gentlemen. I'm sorry some of you don't see
that. If the Censors wish, we should review this lex.
After all I will be Censor someday, and I would hope
my interpretation of the lex is correct. If it is not,
then it should be corrected with clearer language.
CFD   ANTIQUO. ...due to the same reasons I wrote
above.
AGG   UTI ROGAS.
DIPI  UTI ROGAS. Another excellent candidate to be
added to the list of potential senate candidates for
the censors to consult as they may wish, at their
discretion. 
MII   UTI ROGAS.
TLF   UTI ROGAS, with pleasure.
CMM   ABSTINEO. With no disrespect meant to the
Consules or the candidate, I believe that the process
of accession to the Senate needs clarification.
MMA   UTI ROGAS. Both Serena and Quintillianus haved
worked hard for Nova Roma, and have labored in her
cause unceaseingly. 
MOG   UTI ROGAS.
The Censores do not intend to create any new Senators
immediately, and it is unknown when they will. That
decision is solely theirs.
We, the Senate, are empowered to add names to the pool
of candidates who might eventually be considered for
admission to this August body. Priscilla Vedia Serena
and Caeso Fabius  Quintillianus are both worthy of
such.
LSAO  UTI ROGAS.
FVG   UTI ROGAS.

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