Subject: [Nova-Roma] Greetings from Marcvs Flavivs Fides, new citizen
From: raymond fuentes <praefectus2324@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:41:38 -0700 (PDT)
Salve, I am Marcvs Flavivs Fides. I am a 30 year old Police officer from NYC. I am a new Quiris of Nova Roma. Please feel free to contact me about anything, correspondence in Latin is fine. praefectus2324@yahoo.com
Vale,
Marcvs Flavivs Fides



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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Greetings from Marcvs Flavivs Fides, new citizen
From: "Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia" <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 01:17:49 -0000

Welcome Marcvs Flavivs! I'm sure you'll find many interesting
conversations here, in Latin and otherwise. Glad to hear from you!

Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:
> Salve, I am Marcvs Flavivs Fides. I am a 30 year old Police
officer from NYC. I am a new Quiris of Nova Roma. Please feel free
to contact me about anything, correspondence in Latin is fine.
praefectus2324@y...
>
Vale,
>
Marcvs Flavivs Fides
>
>
>
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> Do you Yahoo!?
> Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Greetings from Marcvs Flavivs Fides, new citizen
From: "Annia Minucia Sempronia" <_Ciarin_@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 01:29:56 -0000
Salve,

I'm glad to meet you.

Vale,

Annia Minucia Sempronia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:
> Salve, I am Marcvs Flavivs Fides. I am a 30 year old Police officer
from NYC. I am a new Quiris of Nova Roma. Please feel free to contact
me about anything, correspondence in Latin is fine.
praefectus2324@y...
>
Vale,
>
Marcvs Flavivs Fides
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Greetings from Marcvs Flavivs Fides, new citizen
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 01:45:42 -0000
Salve Marci Flavi!

A hearty welcome to Nova Roma! I hope you enjoy your time with us
here and we all have one big thing in common - a love for Ancient
Rome. Please do not hesitate to discuss things or ask any questions.
What some of us can't always answer, other people can. Likewise you
can contact any of us personally on any question or problem. Now I
know I can come to you with questions about Latin.(grin) Please take
a look at our sodalistas groups and you'll also find a Latin list
there. All the best and have a great weekend!

Respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:
> Salve, I am Marcvs Flavivs Fides. I am a 30 year old Police officer
from NYC. I am a new Quiris of Nova Roma. Please feel free to contact
me about anything, correspondence in Latin is fine.
praefectus2324@y...
>
Vale,
>
Marcvs Flavivs Fides
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cicero or Catilina? Sorry Octavia
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 02:06:38 -0000
Salve Octavia,

My apologies for calling you Octavius. Too much concentration on the
subject matter and not enough on your name.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Max" <maxmarth@l...> wrote:
> SVVBEEV
>
>
>
> I have just finished Cicero's orations "In Catilinam" and I have a
question:
>
> who do you consider the best between Cicero and Catilina?
>
>
> In fact, while the first was a very vain person and also a na´ve
politician, the other was very ambitious and "extravagant with his
money and greedy for someone else's money", according to Sallust.
>
>
>
> I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Octavia Fabia Musa.
>
>
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Gallia Belgica
From: =?iso-8859-1?B?R6VJVkxJVlOlU0NBVlJWUw==?= <gfr@intcon.net>
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 07:18:43 -0000
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Gallia Belgica":

http://galliabelgica.free.fr/

The site is dedicated to the archaeology of the North of France
(Seine-Maritime, Picardie, Ardennes-Marne, and the Nord-Pas-de-Calais)
from the Iron-Age to Roman Gaul. It contains essays on archeaological
issues and bibliographic references. This site is in French, but can
also be viewed via Altavista's Babelfish machine translation facility
(with the usual caveats about machine translation) at
http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus



Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cicero or Catilina?
From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:26:14 +0100 (BST)
A. Apollonius Cordus to Q. Lanius Paulinus and all
citizens and peregrines, greetings.

> For people who don't know them, here they are in a
> nutshell...

I wasn't planning to intervene in this thread, because
I'm not very well up on Catiline, but I feel your
summaries may be slightly misleading (not
deliberately, I'm sure). They omit to mention that
Catiline, whatever his motives, promoted a popular
agenda which proposed to give benefits to ordinary
Italians, and that Cicero, in dealing with the
conspiracy, had a considerable number of conspirators
executed without trial and was widely condemned for it
afterwards.

One might also note that Cicero connived with Octavian
against Antony during the period before the 'second'
triumvirate, thus probably helping to precipitate
civil war. On this and other aspects of Cicero's
less-than-ideal behaviour in this period, Syme's 'The
Roman Revolution' has a good chapter.

I don't wish to express a judgement, being
insufficiently well-informed; merely to suggest that
people wishing to make up their minds look into the
matter more carefully than the impression one gets
from Cicero's own writings.

Cordus

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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cicero or Catilina?
From: "Sp. Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 13:52:56 -0400
Sp. Postumius Omnibus S.P.D.

Salvete,

<widely snipped>

> I wasn't planning to intervene in this thread, because
> I'm not very well up on Catiline, but I feel your
> summaries may be slightly misleading (not
> deliberately, I'm sure). They omit to mention that
> Catiline, whatever his motives, promoted a popular
> agenda which proposed to give benefits to ordinary
> Italians, and that Cicero, in dealing with the
> conspiracy, had a considerable number of conspirators
> executed without trial and was widely condemned for it
> afterwards.

While Quintus is a good friend of mine, I have to hold up Cordus's point on this one. It's even backed up by the fact that Piso, very soon after the end of Cicero's consulship, passed legislation aimed at bringing Cicero to trial for these executions, namely that of Cataline. Of course, Cicero fled to Greece and that was the end of that.

>
> One might also note that Cicero connived with Octavian
> against Antony during the period before the 'second'
> triumvirate, thus probably helping to precipitate
> civil war. On this and other aspects of Cicero's
> less-than-ideal behaviour in this period, Syme's 'The
> Roman Revolution' has a good chapter.
>
> I don't wish to express a judgement, being
> insufficiently well-informed; merely to suggest that
> people wishing to make up their minds look into the
> matter more carefully than the impression one gets
> from Cicero's own writings.

Good point! This is why I mainly read the writing of others (e.g Plutarch, Livy, Dionysius, Cassius Dion, et al.) to get an idea of a person. In any case, I do enjoy this academic conversation; it's a nice change from the never-ending politics going on here, even if I get involved in them from time to time! <g>

Valete,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus

"Nam nemo sine vitiis nascitur; optimus ille est qui minima habet." -- Q. Horatius Flaccus

Subject: [Nova-Roma] Past Legal Occasions
From: "Sp. Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:14:17 -0400
Sp. Postumius Quiritibus S.P.D.

I was skimming through the archives of the main list(s) when I ran across a few dangling posts about an affair with Fannius and Marconius. So, if anyone has a moment, could you give me a quick run-down of what happened?

Valete,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus

"Nam nemo sine vitiis nascitur; optimus ille est qui minima habet." -- Q. Horatius Flaccus

Subject: [Nova-Roma] To Cordusand Postumus Re: Cicero and Cateline
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:40:17 -0000
Salvete Gentlemen!

Thank you both for your input. Please be rest assured that I do not
take criticism of my postings personally. I am here to learn and pick
people's brains because I sure do not have all the answers. Perhaps
there may be one or 2 Nova Romans a little smarter and that know a
little more than me. (LOL - may I look up now?). I appreciate both
your postings. My intent was to summarize these to guys in a nutshell
for the benefit of any members or new members who may not be familiar
with the situations at that time. Well, it looks that I have
oversimplified the situation between these 2 guys as both of you have
pointed out. Next time I'll think and read a little more before such
a posting as this.

BUT! I have to give the winning hand to Cicero since he was the last
man standing of the two. I guess he eventually met his match by
crossing swords with Antony, Octavian by playing his political games.

Best regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus