Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] gangs
From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:30:05 EDT
In a message dated 5/28/03 2:36:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com writes:


> I find your
> blanket statements, against provincial leadership, insulting. However, I
> have
> come to accept that about you...and would honestly expect nothing less. You
>
> have a "my way or the highway attitude,"

If what you are saying is I don't suffer shirkers gladly, you are correct.
It is not like we have been in existance for 300 years. Everyone who is a
magistrate involved in this project must be comitted 100%. Other wise we are
doomed to eventually fail. I know a bunch od Praetors
Modius, some are excellent some are "who cares"

Fabius


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] gangs
From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:21:42 -0400
Fabius:

Those provincial magistrates who have a "who cares" attitude should be removed. You are in a much better position, as a senator, to help faciliate this than I. I know that there are many provincial magistrates who do care, and who are committed to our Republic. I am not as aware of the apathetic ones, as you are. But I if they are not providing leadership in their provinces they should find another way to serve the Republic that will best utilize their talents.

I share your frustration, however, I caution you to make sweeping statements about everyone in a provincial post. I feel you will get more people agreeing with you if you address it as you did below.

On a similar, yet related note, I think the Religio of Nova Roma is in a poor state. We have Pontiffs and priesthood holders who have not paid taxes, and who also seem to have the "who cares" attitude. This is very SAD! I do not always agree with you, but I do agree that everyone in a leadership role needs to be committed 100%

Vale;

G. Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 5/28/2003 7:30:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, qfabiusmaxmi writes:

>
>
> In a message dated 5/28/03 2:36:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com writes:
>
>
> > I find your
> > blanket statements, against provincial leadership, insulting. However, I
> > have
> > come to accept that about you...and would honestly expect nothing less. You
> >
> > have a "my way or the highway attitude,"
>
> If what you are saying is I don't suffer shirkers gladly, you are correct.
> It is not like we have been in existance for 300 years. Everyone who is a
> magistrate involved in this project must be comitted 100%. Other wise we are
> doomed to eventually fail. I know a bunch od Praetors
> Modius, some are excellent some are "who cares"
>
> Fabius


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The noblest Roman?
From: "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 01:51:38 -0000
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> <2, If not Brutus, then who do you consider to be the
> <noblest Roman?
>
> Well Palladius, that's an easy one.
>
> The answer could only be you and Q Fabius Maximus.
>
> Vale,
> Diana
> ;-)

Actually, it was my gensmate DeciMus Iunius Silanus who posted the
question. The similar praenomina often confuse people.

Thank you though for the place of honor on your list. ;-)

Vale,

Palladius


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Quintus Fabius Maximus
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:02:02 -0000
Salve Senator,

I was just looking through the Album photos in Nova Roma and saw your
picture there. By the gods, I'm surprised that living in Hollywood
you have not been grabbed up by a movie company for a major part in a
Roman movie such as Gladiator. You look just as I imagined some of
the younger lively Emperors to be. Good show!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
From: "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:06:20 -0000
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salve Senator,
>
> I was just looking through the Album photos in Nova Roma and saw
your
> picture there. By the gods, I'm surprised that living in Hollywood
> you have not been grabbed up by a movie company for a major part in
a
> Roman movie such as Gladiator. You look just as I imagined some of
> the younger lively Emperors to be. Good show!

Oh good Gods, just what Fabius needs, someone to boost his ego! We're
NEVER going to hear the end of this. ;-)

Decius Iunius Palladius


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:15:54 -0000
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...> wrote:

Salve Decius!

Well the truth is the truth. Does the photo not look classical? (grin)

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Salve Senator,
> >
> > I was just looking through the Album photos in Nova Roma and saw
> your
> > picture there. By the gods, I'm surprised that living in
Hollywood
> > you have not been grabbed up by a movie company for a major part
in
> a
> > Roman movie such as Gladiator. You look just as I imagined some
of
> > the younger lively Emperors to be. Good show!
>
> Oh good Gods, just what Fabius needs, someone to boost his ego!
We're
> NEVER going to hear the end of this. ;-)
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius


Subject: [Nova-Roma] CEIPAC
From: =?iso-8859-1?B?R6VJVkxJVlOlU0NBVlJWUw==?= <gfr@intcon.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:42:04 -0000
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here is a link to the website of the Centro Para el Estudio de la
Interdependencia Provincial en la AntigŸedad Clasca (Centre for the
Study of Provincial Interdependence in Classical Antiquity) at the
University opf Barcelona in Spanish:

http://ceipac.gh.ub.es/

CEIPAC sponsors several archaeological excavations -- Mount Testaccio
(Rome), the Roman city of Arva (Alcolea del R'o, Sevilla), the Roman
village of Vilarenc (Calafell, Tarragona), and the Roman village of
Catarroja (Valencia) and research projects -- Data- processing of the
Corpus of Instrumentum Domesticum and the Circulation of Amphoras in
the Tarraconense Conventus Asturun, central Catalonia, and Barcino.
The site contains descriptions and photos of the Centre's activities
as well as lists of its publications. The site is also available in
English:

http://ceipac.gh.ub.es/index_en.html

and Catalan:

http://ceipac.gh.ub.es/index_ca.html

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus



Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:59:49 -0400
EDICTVM CVRATORIS DIFFERUM
The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
E Domo Curatoris Differum Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix


is hereby appointed Scriba Curatoris Differum effective Today

the 29th of MAIVS MMDCCLVI auc 29 May 2003.

In the consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
and Titus Labienus Fortunatus

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Curator




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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
From: =?iso-8859-1?B?R6VJVkxJVlOlU0NBVlJWUw==?= <gfr@intcon.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 04:12:30 -0000
G. Iulius Scaurus D. Iunio Palladio salutem dicit.

Salve, D. Iuni.

> Oh good Gods, just what Fabius needs, someone to boost his ego! We're
> NEVER going to hear the end of this. ;-)

My question is: what's a Roman senator doing wearing a diadem? Or is
that just my old, failing eyesight? :-).

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus



Subject: [Nova-Roma] Rome poem question
From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:12:45 -0400
Salve Romans

Does anybody know of a poem, ancient or modern , written about Rome, that is short but captures her sprit, her glory, her essential qualities .

It could be a short passage from a larger work or it could be a stand alone work.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
Fortuna Favet Fortibus


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Rome poem question
From: Pipar - Steven <catamount_grange@inwave.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:52:29 -0500
Salus et Fortuna,

Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> Salve Romans
>
> Does anybody know of a poem, ancient or modern , written about Rome, that is short but captures her sprit, her glory, her essential qualities .
>
> It could be a short passage from a larger work or it could be a stand alone work.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
> Fortuna Favet Fortibus
>

Here's one I wrote a few years ago:

My impression of the founding of Rome.

Genesis Romana - 22 January 2753 AUC

The Hand of Mars, reached down one day
To choose a tribe, to call His own
By seven hills, in rustic huts
Amidst their herds, they made their lives

A Latin folk, both proud and strong
Old Quirinus, inspired them
To scale the mounts, and build thereon
This small, rude start, grew into more

A foreign folk, became their kings
All things went well, for long and long
More gods were met, rites learned, shrines built
More ways came in, a dark seed fell

And bitter grew their hearts to them
Farmers, herdsmen, craftsmen took sword
This people fought, threw off the yoke
Of foreign king, took future's reins

This hardy folk, in forum spoke
They made their Law, and Orders set
By Gens and Tribe, by deed and word
Set hand to fate, created Rome

--
=========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Civis Nova Romana et Paterfamilias

Rubigo numquam dormit!
(Rust never sleeps!)


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Rome poem question
From: "Lucius Rutilius Minervalis" <pjtuloup@yahoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 05:56:38 -0000
Salvete omnes !

By example, here is a poem written by Rutilius Namatianus:

Exaudi, Regina tui pulcherrima mundi,
Inter sidereos Roma recepta polos ;
Exaudi, genetrix hominum genetrixque deorum
Non procul a caelo per tua templa sumus.
Te canimus semperque, sinent dum fata, canemus :
Sospes nemo potest immemor esse tui.
Obruerint citius scelerata oblivia solem
Quam tuus ex nostro corde recedat honos.
Nam solis radiis aequalia munera tendis,
Qua circumfusus fluctuat Oceanus.
Volvitur ipse tibi, qui continet omnia, Phoebus,
Eque tuis ortos in tua condit equos.
Te non flammigeris Lybie tardavit arenis,
Non armata suo reppulit Ursa gelu :
Quantum vitales natura tetendit in axes,
Tantum virtuti pervia terra tuae.
Fecisti patriam diversis gentibus unam,
Profuit injustis, te dominante, capi,
Dumque offers victis proprii consortia juris,
Urbem fecisti quod prius orbis erat.
Auctores generis Venerem Martemque fatemur,
Aeneadum matrem Romulidumque patrem :
Mitigat armatas victrix clementa vires :
Convenit in mores numen utrumque tuos.
Hinc tibi certandi bona parcendique voluptas :
Quos timuit, superat ; quos superavit, amat.
Inventrix oleae colitur, vinique repertor
Et qui primus humo pressit aratra puer ;
Aras Paeoniam meruit medicina per artem ;
Factus et Alcides nobilitate Deus.
Tu quoque, legiferis mundum complexa triumphis,
Foedere communi vivere cuncta facis.
Te, Dea, te celebrat Romanus ubique recessus,
Pacificoque gerit libera colla jugo.
Omnia perpetuos quae servant sidera motus
Nullum viderunt pulchrius imperium.

Vale !

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> Does anybody know of a poem, ancient or modern , written about
Rome, that is short but captures her sprit, her glory, her essential
qualities .
>
> It could be a short passage from a larger work or it could be a
stand alone work.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
> Fortuna Favet Fortibus
>
>
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: [Nova Roma] Newbies/Ingratitude
From: "Mary Beth Clemons" <flaviaspqr@sailormoon.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:38:50 +0800
NOTICE:

Ok...this is the third time I have written this email. While signing the first one, the power went off. While trying to remember what I said in the first one and typing the second one, MS Explorer decided to error and close itself. So, this is what I remember from the first one which was a lot better! You've been warned..now onto the important part of my email.

PREACH ON, BROTHER PAULINUS!

Your words are wise and reminded me of why I crept away from NR in the first place. As an ex-magistrate, I know how much time it takes to fulfill the duties of your office. And nowadays Time is one of our most precious commodies. We aren't perfect and life happens, so I hope we can be more tolerant of the mistakes of our kind volunteers.

Also after reading some of the, let's say "colorful" debates, I recalled how stressful it is to be an officer. Sure, I got angry when someone doesn't see the world the way I do, but bear this in mind before you send that reply sprinkled with a hint of malice: the person with whom you don't agree wants the same you do: what's best for NR. Work from that common ground. Remember, there's more than one way to run a republic. Oh, wait...that's not how the saying goes... ;o)

Your tree-hugging Roman,

Minervina Iucundia Flavia


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Census
From: "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 06:36:25 -0000
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Honored Senator Palladius;

Ave Senator et Consular Marce Minuci Audens,

> I have unfortunately, as I have so often done in the past. made
>myself unclear, and for that I must apologize.

snip

> You have indeed been my mentor in the past, and your views are
>certainly among those that I read and value. So, I beg that perhaps
>my concerns have been better stated on this occasion, and that
>perhaps I may have erased, by so doing, your idea that I oppose the
>expression of concerns on the part of the citizens of NR. What I
>oppose is insulting remarks, name-calling and political manuvering
>that has little to do with carrying out the determination of the NR
>Citizens.

Thank you for your kind words and I join you in your opposition to
insulting remarks and name calling. There is no need for one to
resort to it, and though I understand the temptation at times I hope
no one sees my actions as being a personal attack on the consul or
anyone else.

As for political maneuvering, as politicians that is what we do. The
consul is maneuvering through his posts and the posts and actions of
his staff to get his legislation passed, I have been maneuvering to
prevent its passage because I disagree with portions of it but at the
same time building support to amend the damaging portion of the law
if it passes, which it likely will since almost all laws pass when
voted on in NR. Whether that is successful remains to be
seen. "Political maneuvering" for what one thinks is right for Nova
Roma is not wrong in my opinion. Doing it for mere political
advantage is, as you rightly condemn.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
From: "Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 06:44:11 -0000
Salvete Quirites; et salve, F. Galeri.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. Modius Athanasius, Flamen
> Pomonalis. Salve.
>
> I strongly disagree with this sentiment. I believe that the
> Religio could be better served if the pontiffs, flamens, and augurs
> published articles on the mainlist and in The Eagle to put forward
> the goals and beliefs of the Religio and also by attending pagan
> festivals to teach classes & perform public rituals.
> After casting about for a pontiff or flamen to teach a class at the
> Pagan Unity Festival [in April] and not having any success, I
> finally taught the class myself using the materials available to
> any citizen.

To be sincere, I have to say that I have found a similar response
when looking for someone to impart the Academia Religio course among
our current priests.

> The result was a very well attended class that yielded one new
> citizen for NR. Issac Bonewits and I discussed the class as we
> were driving back from visiting the Parthenon in Nashville. As I
> remember, he believes that many pagans committed to non-specific
> paths might find the Greek and Roman reconstructed religions just
> the right thing for them. A Babylonian-Akkadian ritual to Innana
> was held on Friday night and a Druidical ritual to the Dagda and
> Brigid on Saturday night [led by Issac & Gray Cat]. Both were well
> received by the majority of the laity who had been exposed to
> mostly Wiccan, CM, Christian, Jewish, and Buddhist rituals.

What a hell of a time you had! I am green with envy :-).

> I believe that more than anything else, NR needs to put the religio
> out into the world.

I couldn't agree more.

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: De Re Censo
From: "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 06:53:39 -0000
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Equitius" <vergil@s...>
wrote:
> Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus SPD

Salve Luci Equiti Cincinnate Augur!

> On way to cut down on such casual "click, join and disappear"
> citizens is to go back to a physical, mail-in form. Most "casual
> joiners" will not go through the trouble of filling out an
> application, buying a stamp and mailing it. This would be a simple
> way to prevent likely inactive citizens from joining in the first
> place.
>
> Sorry, didn't mean to ramble.
>
> Vale, Decius Iunius Palladius

>
> I've been an advocate of a return to the 'snail-mail' application
>since the online form was first implemented. Instead of 'weeding out
>the dead wood' we would have 'weeded out' those who aren't the least
>bit serious from the start. Really, a stamp and SASE (self addressed
>stamped envelope) isn't that much time or money. Quite frankly if
>one can't manage that then one ought to reconsider their priorities.

Yes, I remember that you were and I believe you are right. You were
the first to advocate a return to that form. It would and would have
saved us a lot of trouble.

I've always thought of the term as "weeding out the dead-wood" as
kind of your trademark phrase and thus didn't use it when making my
post.

Just out of curiosity, what is your view of putting the "dead-wood"
into a permanent "socii" status instead of just dropping them?

> Yes, that is how I felt last year when the Lex Cornelia DE CENSO
>was being voted upon. Perhaps I should have been outspoken in my
>objections, but I would have been willing to try had we been given
>the support of the Senate.

Did you approach the senate about this? I don't recall. You should
have been outspoken--that I would recall. ;-) You've never had any
trouble being outspoken.

> I do believe that the Censores ought to be consulted on how they
>are going to do their job, as anyone who is a supervisory position
>ought. Censor is a very demanding position and to expect someone to
>devote so much time and energy to it AND then in the middle of a
>term ADD a financial burden, however sight, without their
>consultation and approval is an outrage.

> I just wanted to set the record straight that we didn't "ignore"
the Census last year.

Thank you for your view of the situation. Perhaps I should have
contacted you directly for your perspective. Ideally, I believe what
you as censors probably should have done would have been to gather
information on how expensive conducting the census would have been
and then presented it to the Senate and said "this can't possibly be
done in this form with tremendous expense." It would have prevented
all the accusations of the censors ignoring their duties.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius


Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] gangs
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:50:04 +0100 (BST)
Salve Aule Apolloni,

> In the spirit of conciliation,

Had we fallen out?

> I should be glad to
> help you complete the British section of the census
> if
> the Fabian law passes.

Your offer is most welcome and I am truly grateful for
it...however I believe the Fabian law specifies
governors and their legates only to conduct the census
provincially. As a consequance I would not be sure of
the legality of your assistance unless I were to
appoint you a legate. Of course I have a vacant
position if you are interested. However, I should be
loathe to make the appointment of the basis of any
forthcoming census alone.

Please contact me privately should you wish to pursue
this further.

Bene vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae.



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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nix Imperial Creations
From: "Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa" <vipsaniusagrippa@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 03:19:58 -0600
Salvete

Has anyone ever order anything from Nix Imperial Creations
http://www.niximperial.com/

There is a replica of the armour from the statue of Augustus of the Prima
Porta that I am interested in purchasing. I was just wondering about the
quality of their work.

Thanks

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa

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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 05:31:36 EDT
In a message dated 5/29/2003 2:45:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
salixastur@yahoo.es writes:

> >I believe that more than anything else, NR needs to put the religio
> >out into the world.
>
> I couldn't agree more.

I have said several times, and being accused of modernism, that the priests
of Nova Roma need to integrate and work with other Pagans in the "Pagan
Revival" of our modern times. Attend festivals, lead workshops and rituals, ect...
We don't need to "new age" ourselves, but simply maintain a presence. This
year I am attending a 900+ person gathering in Ohio known as Pagan Spirit
Gathering. While there I am facilitating two workshops; Cult of Mithras, and
Priesthood's of Ancient Rome as well as hosting a networking meeting for
Reconstructionists. In September the local ADF Grove (the only Hellenic Grove in ADF) I
lead is hosting a weekend festival.

I am very involved in the Pagan community as a Reconstructionist, albeit a
moderate one. I joined Nova Roma because of the Religio, and I am not satisfied
with the state of the Religio within our Republic. We have lost several
pontifices over the last year, and at least two have not paid their taxes for this
year. We also have several members of the priesthood who are simply out of
touch, and also have not paid their taxes. Is a reform necessary?

Vale;

G. Modius Athanasius
Flamen Pomonalis


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 05:36:10 EDT
In a message dated 5/28/03 9:13:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gfr@intcon.net
writes:


> My question is: what's a Roman senator doing wearing a diadem? Or is
> that just my old, failing eyesight? :-).
>

Well, the diadem...Sigh, it wasn't my idea, I had broken my foot and I was
getting ready to go out to the Erotic Masquerade ball. My girl at the time
wanted us to go as Agnamemnon and Bresis. You should have seen her Gracian see
thru gown. Anyway I thought that a Mycenaean king would have that as a symbol
of his Kingship.
I have my togas, but with no pics of them. So instead I look like an
Etruscan monarch in the pic.
Bummer!

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
From: =?iso-8859-1?B?R6VJVkxJVlOlU0NBVlJWUw==?= <gfr@intcon.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:12:39 -0000
G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Fabio Maximo salutem dicit.

Salve, Q. Fabi.

> Well, the diadem...Sigh, it wasn't my idea, I had broken my foot and
I was
> getting ready to go out to the Erotic Masquerade ball. My girl at
the time
> wanted us to go as Agnamemnon and Bresis. You should have seen her
Gracian see
> thru gown. Anyway I thought that a Mycenaean king would have that
as a symbol
> of his Kingship.
> I have my togas, but with no pics of them. So instead I look like an
> Etruscan monarch in the pic.
> Bummer!

Well, to paraphrase Cato the Elder, one can get into all sort of
devilment by aping those damned Greeks and their ways... Not, of
course, that I would have passed up the opportunity to examine Bresis
in better light... ah, for purely research purposes, you know :-).

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus



Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nix Imperial Creations
From: =?iso-8859-1?B?R6VJVkxJVlOlU0NBVlJWUw==?= <gfr@intcon.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:23:08 -0000
G. Iulius Scaurus Gaio Vipsanio Agrippae salutem dicit.

Salve G. Vipsani.

I've never ordered anything from Nix, but the photos on their website
suggest that the workmanship is of relatively high quality. But,
correct me if I'm wrong, didn't your relative Marcus have some trouble
over looking better in an uniform than his commander? I suppose,
after all, he did get to marry the boss' daughter, so it couldn't have
been too much trouble.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus


Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: The noblest Roman?
From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:43:06 +0200
Salvete Iunii,

< Actually, it was my gensmate DeciMus Iunius Silanus who posted the
< question. The similar praenomina often confuse people.

Yikes! I'm feeling more like a jerk than usual. My apologies for the mix-up
gentlemen ! Ok, so I'll have to update my Noble Roman list to include a
second Iunius!
Valete,
Diana



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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The noblest Roman?
From: "quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:19:42 -0000
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decimus Iunius Silanus
<danedwardsuk@y...> wrote:

> 2, If not Brutus, then who do you consider to be the
> noblest Roman?
>
> I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>

My vote for noblest Roman has no name, the Roman Legionare.

Q. Cassius Calvus


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Voting for the Lex Fabia de censo
From: =?iso-8859-1?B?R6VJVkxJVlOlU0NBVlJWUw==?= <gfr@intcon.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:22:35 -0000
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes cives Romani.

In a little less than six hours the polling in the Comitia will end
and we shall know whether the Lex Fabia de censo has been adopted. I
strong urge my fellow citizens who have not yet voted to do so
quickly, regardless of whether they approve or oppose the measure.

The census is a turning point for NR. The policy of online signup has
led to a large number of citizens who seem never to do anything
further than signup. Some say that we should chuck this dead wood out
of the citizenzy's rank. I am more sympathetic to the senior consul's
policy of treating inactive citizens as socii and making one last try
to determine who among these people still share our vision of Nova
Roma. Certainly it would be cheaper to simply say, if you haven't
paid taxes or voted in the magisterial elections, you're just a
needless hanger-on who never had any real commitment to NR and you've
shown it with your bovine inactivity. But that would not be an
honourable, Roman way to deal with the matter.

When the Censores accepted the applications of these folk, they
_became_ Roman citizens with all the responsibilities and privileges
of Roman citizenship. We, Romans of Nova Roma, extended the hand of
citizenship to these people and it would be a least discourteous and
more likely still dishonourable to simply dump them from the citizen
rolls without ascertaining if they still wished to be citizens. The
census must be done, not so that our rolls can be cleaned of shirkers,
but so that we as Romans can extend our hands one last time to invite
these inactive citizens to join us in actively building NR.

If citizenship is to have the sacred value which we attach to it, then
we are morally obligated to take the few extra steps to enquire
directly whether an inactive citizen would like to join us anew in
building the New Rome. We owe that much to anyone who for any reason
sought the citizenship of Nova Roma, because we Nova Romans hold our
active citizens to a higher standard. If we purge the citizen rolls
arbitrarily or by fiat, we devalue all our citizenships. We owe the
census to the dignitas of our citizenship, regardless of whether our
inactive citizens have drifted away by inertia, little real interest,
or the vicissitudes of daily life.

I strongly support raising the bar for full citizenship in ways that
have been suggested here. What I cannot support is a policy of not
taking one, final opportunity to reignite the spark of Rome in each of
our inactive citizens. Roman citizen can be taken away only by
judicial procedure or by census. We owe it to ourselves as the living
embodiment of the Roman res publica. Those inactives whom we cannot
contact will become socii, some who respond may ask to become socii,
others still will remember the promise which NR held for them when
they applied for citizenship and return as active citizens. We owe it
to ourselves and to the dignity of Roman citizenship to conduct the
best and most exhaustive census possible.

I support the Lex Fabia de censo. I have already voted for it. I
know it will be less costly that the earlier census law. I know that
conducting the census primarily at the provincial level will ensure
greater success of contact. I urge you, cives Romani, to vote for the
Lex Fabia de censo for these reasons.

I agree that we soon must draft a lex which limits the time period for
which an inactive may remain a socius. But until we know truly what
the numbers are -- numbers we can only gain from a well-conducted
census -- we cannot draft an appropriate lex to limit social status.
But let us not diminish the value of our citizenship by conducting
anything less than a detailed, exhaustive census which will allow us
to see where the res publica truly stands.

For Roma, for the dignitas of civitas romana, for the principles of
fairness and justice which count high among the Roman virtues, support
the Lex Fabia de censo in the few reamaining hours we have before the
polling is closed. I pray that the Genius of Roma guides your hand to
support this good and Roman law.

Valete, Quirites!

G. Iulius Scaurus


.


Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: The noblest Roman?
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:46:58 +0100 (BST)
Salve,

> Ok, so I'll have to update my Noble
> Roman list to include a
> second Iunius!

Yikes...me? A noble Roman? Haha you haven't met me
when I've had a couple of pints of the local brew ;-)

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Q. Fabius Maximus / Praetors
From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:30:50 -0400 (EDT)
Senator Mximus -- Well as a referee in a Gladiator Ring, he can be a
tiger (Grin!!!!!!!!!).

Praetor Concerns -- I agree that not all Praetors or Magistrates are
committed to the success of Nova Roma to the extent that we might
expect. I think in any world=wide organization that appoints Praetors
based on what they say rather than what they do, such is the norm.

Further, I disagree that an opponent in any given argument wants the
same as his / her opponent. In my experience, here in Nova Roma, there
have been several people who have wanted to change Nova Roma
significantly from what it is today. Most of those people are gone now,
but there will always be that minority in any large organization who
strive to change any institution to which they belong into thier own
image of that institution.

The Senate rules on the appointment and continuation of Praetors based
upon their promises and thier desire to continue in place primarily. To
a lesser degree upon the recommendation of members of the Senate.
During my tenure in the Senate I have not received one message from any
Propraetor / Praetor advising me to consider not continuing a Praetor in
place for cause.

Certainly, there have been Praetors which have disappeared into the
woodwork without explanation, and the Magistrates have had to seek out
replacements, and in other cases volunteers have spoken up, and have
been put into place. There have also been those who were continued
simply because there was no-ne to replace them. However, I would think
that the time has come for the Provincial Praetors to begin to police
themselves, rather than place the responsibility solely upon the Senate,
Certainly the Senate has the last say in the matter, but even some
negative votes on the agenda item, given for good reason, may well have
a significant effect.

I gave up my ProConsulship after three years, because I felt that I had
a gentleman in mind that could do a better job than I had. I was right,
he has taken charge of the Nova Britannia Provincia and has
significantly improved the program, and has brought togther the Citizens
of that Provincia as never before. I am proud to proclaim this to the
micro-nation, but I am not aware of the success or lack of it in regard
to other Provinciae. As a Senator faced with that decision each year, I
would be grateful for some kind of indication about what the Praetors as
a group think about the continuation or initial appointment of one of
thier number.

In the United States, and I would suppose in any other Republic, there
are organizations which are well thought of by the general public who
advise the voting citizens and elected magistrates regarding thier
views. Very often these groups prove to be very valuable in thier
revalations and thier recommendations. I think that I should like to
see something along those lines to assist the Senate in making the
determinations to initially appoint, or continue in office any given
ProPraetor / Praetor.

In closing, therefore, I should like to encourage the Provincial
Praetors as a whole to look to policing thier own, setting some
standards for a Provincial Praetor and his / her Legates, and developing
a Minimal Provincial Program which requires some work on the part of
appointed Provincial Officers. I have a few ideas which I would be
pleased to share if anyone is interested, but whether or not, it is my
considration that perhaps such an effort should be established for the
benefit of NR.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Senator and ProConsul

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nix Imperial Creations
From: "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:20:44 -0000
Salve Gai Vipsani,

I check out the site now and then, but I have never ordered
anything. I do have to say I LOVE that helmet. Being married,
however, I have to weigh the consequences of the wife finding out I
spent $675 for a Roman helmet vs. the joy in owning it ;-O.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa"
<vipsaniusagrippa@h...> wrote:
> Salvete
>
> Has anyone ever order anything from Nix Imperial Creations
> http://www.niximperial.com/
>
> There is a replica of the armour from the statue of Augustus of
the Prima
> Porta that I am interested in purchasing. I was just wondering
about the
> quality of their work.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
>
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Rome poem question
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:52:02 -0000
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Rutilius Minervalis"
<pjtuloup@y...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes !
>
> By example, here is a modern poem written by one of my favourite
writers, Oscar Wilde:
>



>Oscar Wilde (1854–1900). Poems. 1881.

17. Rome Unvisited



I.

THE corn has turned from grey to red,
Since first my spirit wandered forth
From the drear cities of the north,
And to Italia's mountains fled.

And here I set my face towards home, 5
For all my pilgrimage is done,
Although, methinks, yon blood-red sun
Marshals the way to Holy Rome.

O Blessed Lady, who dost hold
Upon the seven hills thy reign! 10
O Mother without blot or stain,
Crowned with bright crowns of triple gold!

O Roma, Roma, at thy feet
I lay this barren gift of song!
For, ah! the way is steep and long 15
That leads unto thy sacred street.

II.

And yet what joy it were for me
To turn my feet unto the south,
And journeying towards the Tiber mouth
To kneel again at Fiesole! 20

And wandering through the tangled pines
That break the gold of Arno's stream,
To see the purple mist and gleam
Of morning on the Apennines.

By many a vineyard-hidden home, 25
Orchard, and olive-garden grey,
Till from the drear Campagna's way
The seven hills bear up the dome!

III.

A pilgrim from the northern seas—
What joy for me to seek alone 30
The wondrous Temple, and the throne
Of Him who holds the awful keys!

When, bright with purple and with gold,
Come priest and holy Cardinal,
And borne above the heads of all 35
The gentle Shepherd of the Fold.

O joy to see before I die
The only God-anointed King,
And hear the silver trumpets ring
A triumph as He passes by! 40

Or at the altar of the shrine
Holds high the mystic sacrifice,
And shows a God to human eyes
Beneath the veil of bread and wine.

IV.

For lo, what changes time can bring! 45
The cycles of revolving years
May free my heart from all its fears,—
And teach my lips a song to sing.

Before yon field of trembling gold
Is garnered into dusty sheaves, 50
Or ere the autumn's scarlet leaves
Flutter as birds adown the wold,

I may have run the glorious race,
And caught the torch while yet aflame,
And called upon the holy name 55
Of Him who now doth hide His face.




Colorful or what!

Enjoy - Quintus Lanius Paulinus



Subject: [Nova-Roma] The voting is over
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:48:28 +0200
Salvete Quirites!

Now the time of the voting is soon over! Voting shall end at 18.00
Roman time Thursday the 29th of May!

I will expect the Rogatores to soon report the result to me, so I can
public it here on the main list and on the Nova Roma Announce list.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nix Imperial Creations
From: "Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia" <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:33:49 -0000

Salvete,

I tried to resist, but I can't. Since we're talking about armor, I
must pass on this link:

http://www.dmc-metalsmith.com

He does *incredible* custom work. If you are in the market for armor,
definitely have a look.

Arnamentia Moravia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
<ksterne@b...> wrote:
> Salve Gai Vipsani,
>
> I check out the site now and then, but I have never ordered
> anything. I do have to say I LOVE that helmet. Being married,
> however, I have to weigh the consequences of the wife finding out I
> spent $675 for a Roman helmet vs. the joy in owning it ;-O.
>
> Vale,
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa"
> <vipsaniusagrippa@h...> wrote:
> > Salvete
> >
> > Has anyone ever order anything from Nix Imperial Creations
> > http://www.niximperial.com/
> >
> > There is a replica of the armour from the statue of Augustus of
> the Prima
> > Porta that I am interested in purchasing. I was just wondering
> about the
> > quality of their work.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> >
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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Quintus Fabius Maximus
From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:38:12 +0100 (BST)
A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

Well, there's an idea for the Aediles - how about a
'Romans past & present' look-alike contest at the next
games?

Cordus

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Romans Past and Present, was: Quintus Fabius Maximus
From: "Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia" <arnamentia_aurelia@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:47:34 -0000

I like it! I'll enter as Cato.
Arnamentia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<cordus@s...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> greetings.
>
> Well, there's an idea for the Aediles - how about a
> 'Romans past & present' look-alike contest at the next
> games?
>
> Cordus
>
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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Census
From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?=" <cordus@strategikon.org>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:45:35 +0100 (BST)
A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator & Consular Decius
Iunius Palladius and all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

> The consul is maneuvering through his posts and the
> posts and actions of his staff to get his
> legislation passed...

Well now, it sounds almost as if the Consul writes all
our main list posts for us! We may not care about
titles or century-points, but let us at least have a
little credit... ;)

Yours humourously,

Cordus

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus/ Pailinus And Intergity
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:37:33 -0000
>
> Oh good Gods, just what Fabius needs, someone to boost his ego!
We're
> NEVER going to hear the end of this. ;-)
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius


Salve Deci,

I sense you may be implying that I may be hoping to gain brownie
points and favour by complimenting the proconsul. My fellow citizen,
nothing could be futher from the truth. I am a man of intergity, not
ambition. Please do not think that even for a moment.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


Subject: [Nova-Roma] OATH OF OFFICE FOR NEW PROCURATOR - AMERICA SEPTENTRIONALIS
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:45:57 -0000
Salvete omnes!

I Quintus Lanius Paulinus thanks to all my great work have been
promoted!

I Quintus Lanius Paulinus solemny swear to uphold the office of
Procurator..... Sorry citizens. I just couldn't resist this one! I'm
in one of those moods today! (LOL)

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:22:15 EDT
In a message dated 5/29/03 3:13:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gfr@intcon.net
writes:


> Not, of
> course, that I would have passed up the opportunity to examine Bresis
> in better light... ah, for purely research purposes, you know :-).
>
>

I have pics if you'd like to see...
Fabius


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] attn. factio veneta members
From: "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:59:49 -0000
Salvete omnes.
I´m planning to have our internal Ludi (for veneta members only) in
June, let's say about the 20th or so.
Bene valete
L. Pompeius Octavianus



Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:48:10 -0400
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Diana Moravia Aventina. Salve.

I am in total agreement with you about longer term limits for certain offices including that of my cousin. Of course, I believe that when he runs again for the magistracy of Curator Differium, he will be voted in by an overwhelming majority. He is indeed one of the hardest working individuals in NR and one of the most productive on the mainlist. Of course, I look forward to your spririted, witty, entertaining, and (sometimes) earthy comments as well. Vale.

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re:shooting my mouth off
From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:08:01 -0400
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix. Salve.

I believe you have found out the most ill-kept secret in NR. We love to argue, debate, pontificate, abuse, insult, trade low-flying innuendoes and repartee, and generally indulge ourselves in a mud-slinging, old-fashioned political donnybrook. I think we like it more than SCA Laurels like to count threads and nit-pick research.
However, don't think that we go on like this all the time. This little shindig has been going on over a major change in the census structure for NR to try to keep our organization open to a goodly number of inactive members who may have been disillusioned by previous donnybrooks.
NR is built upon a basic group of ideals that are among the most admirable in history and continue to be sought after by many civilized humans to this day. The Religio is particularly suited to the modern pagan as a modified reconstruction that suits both the urbanite and rural pagan. Do not be discouraged by the occasional ramblings of a few overbearing (but often well meaning) citizens. Look on the bright points such as the newly revived Eagle, the continuing research into the Religio, the plans for provinicial events that are developing. Always remember, little sister, that NR is still in the act of becoming something that will move out of the internet and into our world. You can be a part of that as many of our citizens are doing. Please stay in touch with me and those that are like-minded to you (the sacerdos of Venus, for instance). There is so much for those with humor, will, and patience to do in Nova Roma. May Venus and Diana grant you good fortune. Vale.

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:20:20 -0400
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. Modius Athanasius, Flamen Pomonalis. Salve.

Be not green with envy, cousin. Next year, the 7th Pagan Unity Festival will occur and Issac will be back; so will Diana Morrison, M.R. Sellars, and several other notable pagans. I hope to conduct a public ritual and would welcome any assistance if you can attend. All teachers are admitted free to the event which is held from Thursday to Sunday in a large Tennessee State Park with plenty of good food, good mead, a variety of classes, nice cabins, and convivial company. Perhaps you can come down and I will take you to the Parthenon to see the Goddess Athena Parthenos in all her gilded glory. Be thou well and blessed. Vale.

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:23:41 -0400
I do not believe that paying taxes makes a good priest. It is their spiritual and pastoral activities that are of value. I don't care if an active pontiff, flamen, or augur is CC or As., as long as they post information, rituals, and reference material on the mainlist and other related sites. I encourage all citizens interested and practicing the Religio to share their experiences, religious or mystical, with others.

F Gal Aur Sec

Subject: [Nova-Roma] NOVA ROMA INTERNATIONAL RALLY 2756 : news...
From: "Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:14:34 -0000
Salvete Omnes,
some important news about our Nova Roman Rally in Italy.
I remember you that the subscription is now open and you have a
couple of weeks to confirm your partecipation to the meeting.

:: VILLA LEONA, THE LOCATION OF THE VILLAGE
We have published a schedule and the photos of the location where
we'll stay in 1st and 2nd August. It is a wonderful structure in
Bologna called Villa Leona and builded in XV sec. It has wonderful
paintings and ancient objects and a very large and beautiful garden.
Here we'll organize our BONOMIAE VILLAGE where you can look live
events, gladiatorial combats, military experiments, training camps
and discuss with several roman experts.
The pictures are at
http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/meeting/village.htm

:: EXPERTS IN THE MEETING
We received the confirmation of the partecipation of the famous prof.
Nicastro, the roman and etruskian archeologist and professor, ex-
owner of the very famous restaurant Magna Roma.
He's very happy and proud to partecipe and talk with all the Nova
Romans.
We add this name to the list of others local skille re-enactors.

:: THE NUMBER GROWS
Other citizens confirmed the partecipation to the Meeting after
Consul Quintilianus and others!
Enjoy you too!

:: MAILING LIST
The official mailing list of the rally is now open and active.
Subscribe it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomanMeeting2003

+++++++++++++++++++
If you want to take advantage of this accomodation you have to make
your booking through us within June 15th!!! This deadline is for this
accomodation only: to take part to the Rally you have more time.

To give your confirmation either send me a message
(mcserapio@yahoo.it ) or go to
http://www.cooperativainforma.it/fv/nr/meeting.htm

The website of the NOVA ROMA INTERNATIONAL RALLY is:

http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/meeting

We strongly invite you to join this mailing list for further
information and details:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomanMeeting2003

We look forward to meeting you next August!!!


Valete
Fr. Apulus CAesar
Senior Curule Aedile



Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:43:55 -0400
We at least agree that they should be active. Several are not.

G. Modius

In a message dated 5/29/2003 4:23:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE writes:

>
>
> I do not believe that paying taxes makes a good priest. It is their spiritual and pastoral activities that are of value. I don't care if an active pontiff, flamen, or augur is CC or As., as long as they post information, rituals, and reference material on the mainlist and other related sites. I encourage all citizens interested and practicing the Religio to share their experiences, religious or mystical, with others.
>
> F Gal Aur Sec