Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Economic History, need help
From: Caius Curius Saturninus <c.curius@welho.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:12:54 +0300
Salvete omnes,

I hope someone could help me out to find a book. I need a good basic
book about Roman economic history in English. The book should be
general in nature and dealing with long timespan. It does need to be
long, even 400 pages is enough. Is there any standard basic work in
the field?

Valete,
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
From: "Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:39:05 -0000
G. Iulius Scaurus Dianae Moraviae Aventinae salutem dicit.

Salve, Diana Moravia.

> Me: Honestly, I don't see the word 'built' in the Dutch sentence. My
> translation would be 'As centerpiece there stands a round stone
temple with
> the Goddess Minerva'. But maybe it's my use of Dutch :-p So I am still
> being stubborn and hanging onto the idea that the Temple was already
there
> when the gardens were built. I mean why would Teutonic
Priest-Knights build
> a Temple to a roman Goddess? Everything else in the domain looks
very much
> Christian.

While I don't read Dutch, I'd hazard a guess that the temple to
Minerva had to do with the Neoclassical taste of much of the
eighteeenth century's educated classes tended to espouse rather than
religious belief. Pius VI kept statutes of Minerva and Apollo
excavated from the Palatine in his private apartments.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus



Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Economic History, need help
From: "Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:24:57 -0000
G. Iulius Scaurus C. Curio Saturnino salutem dicit.

Salve, C. Curi.

> I hope someone could help me out to find a book. I need a good basic
> book about Roman economic history in English. The book should be
> general in nature and dealing with long timespan. It does need to be
> long, even 400 pages is enough. Is there any standard basic work in
> the field?

This is a more difficult question to answer than it might seem.
A.H.M. Jones' _The Roman Economy: Studies in Ancient Economic and
Administrative History_ is good, but not exhaustive (Jones tends to
deal more with the literary than the archaeological evidence) and M.I.
Rostovtzeff's _The Social and Economic History of the Roman Empire_ is
classic and massive, but out-of-date and deals only with the imperial
period. Jones also has a good general introduction to Roman economic
history in his two volumes on the later empire, but the bulk of the
chapter deals only with the late antique and Byzantine economy.
Richard Duncan-Jones has two excellent monographs, _The Economy of the
Roman Empire: Quantitative Studies_ and _Structure and Scale in the
Roman Economy_, but they're not comprehensive. Kevin Greene's _The
Archaeology of the Roman Economy_ is excellent, but doesn't deal much
with the literary evidence. Neville Morley's _Metropolis and
hinterland : the city of Rome and the Italian economy, 200 B.C.-A.D.
200_ is very interesting, but limited to the Italian economy, and C.R.
Whittaker's _Land, City, and Trade in the Roman Empire_ isn't really
a comprehensive survey. There's also the problem that a great deal of
the better work on Roman economic history is written in German,
Italian, and French, but not translated into English. Perhaps a
combination of Jones and Greene would meet your need? I wish I could
be more helpful.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus



Subject: [Nova-Roma] Iberian Epigraphy
From: "Gregory Rose" <gfr@intcon.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:36:12 -0000
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the Archivo Epigr‡fico de Hispania (it is in Spanish
and the epigraphical indices are in .pdf files):

http://www.ucm.es/info/archiepi/aevh/index2.html

It contains links to:

* _Hispania Epigraphica_, a journal edited by Isabel Velˆzquez for the
Archivo Epigrˆfico de Hispania of the Universidad Complutense in
Madrid, publishes texts of ancient inscriptions newly found in the
Iberian peninsula (and new studies or readings of known texts) up to
the Visigothic period. Its website has extremely detailed epigraphical
indices for issues 5-7 (1995-1997) which are particularly useful for
onomastic and philological as well as epigraphic research.

* A database for a virtual archive of Iberian inscriptions (there are
only a handful currently available, but there are plans to eventually
cover the entire corpus of Iberian inscriptions).

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus



Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Economic History, need help
From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Hirtius=20Helveticus?=" <hirtius75ch@yahoo.de>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:36:18 +0200 (CEST)
Salve Caie Saturnie

I suggest the following two works (I once browsed
through them during my studies of economic and social
history):

Boren, Henry Charles (1992): Roman Society: A Social,
Economic, and Cultural History, Houghton Mifflin, 2nd
Ed.

De Ligt, L. (1993): Fairs and Markets in the Roman
Empire: Economic and Social Aspects of Periodic Trade
in a Pre-Industrial Society (Dutch Monographs on
Ancient History), John Benjamins Pub. Co.

The first one gives a good overview, not only about
economic history. The second one is maybe a bit too
focussed on periodic trade.

There is also a new and excellent German introduction
to Roman economic history, but I am not sure, whether
it is published in english, too (yet):

Drexhage, Hans-Joachim; Kronen, Heinrich; Ruffing, Kai
(2002): Die Wirtschaft des Römischen Reiches. (1. - 3.
Jahrhundert). Eine Einführung, Akademie-Verlag.

Vale bene,



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(Corippus, In laudem Iustini 3, 328)
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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Economic History, need help
From: "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:50:39 -0700
Ave Caius Curius,

Here are some titles for you:

Banking and Business in the Roman World

Roman Society: A Social, Economic, and Cultural History

Coinage in the Roman Economy, 300 B.C. to A.D. 700 (Ancient Society and History)

Business Managers in Ancient Rome: A Social and Economic Study of Institores, 200 B.C.-A.D. 250 (Columbia Studies in the Classical Tradition, V. 21.)

The Sixth Century: Production, Distribution and Demand (Transformation of the Roman World, V. 3) (Probably a bit off topic for what you are asking for.)

All of these books are available through amazon.com. Maybe our webmaster can add these to the amazon.com link.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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From: Caius Curius Saturninus
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:12 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Economic History, need help


Salvete omnes,

I hope someone could help me out to find a book. I need a good basic
book about Roman economic history in English. The book should be
general in nature and dealing with long timespan. It does need to be
long, even 400 pages is enough. Is there any standard basic work in
the field?

Valete,
--

Caius Curius Saturninus

Accensus Superior Primus (Ductor Cohortis) Cohors Consulis CFQ
Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@welho.com
www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica
www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Temple of Minerva Part 4 :-)
From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:51:57 +0200
(crossposted to 2 lists, sorry)
Salvete friends,

Mercurius Apollonius, who we could refer to as our unofficial Flemish
historian, has confirmed that the Temple is indeed only 216 years old and is
a neo-classical work. I guess I should have paid more attention in Art
History class (oops).
Anyway, it still doesn't take away from how nice it is. And if ever anyone
is in my side of the pond, I would love to bring you there for a picnic !

Valete,
Diana Moravia


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:03:17 +0100 (BST)
-----Original Message-----
>From : Gregory Rose <gfr@intcon.net>
Date : 25 April 2003 07:39:05
>
>> Me: Honestly, I don't see the word 'built' in the Dutch sentence. My
>> translation would be 'As centerpiece there stands a round stone
>temple with
>> the Goddess Minerva'. But maybe it's my use of Dutch :-p So I am still
>
>religious belief. Pius VI kept statutes of Minerva and Apollo
>excavated from the Palatine in his private apartments.
>
I didn't find any 'built' either but the person to ask is Jachthondus since she /is/ Dutch.

Caesariensis.


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Minerva Temple
From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:54:54 -0400 (EDT)
Diana Moravis;

In support of what has already been said about the 18th century
preoccupation with Rome, I know that many British Army Officers during
the 18th century took Roman names for thier personal correspondence to
other military officers. There are many examples of this, and they
wrote as correspondents inthe Roman style using latin, as most higher
education of that day required some latin training.

In England in the 18th and into the 19th century very elaborate "ruins"
were constructed in the "gardens" of many wealthy country homes. These
ruins carefully designed and constructed to reflect all the romanticism
possible from these structures.

I first got interested in Christain knight-priests when I first visited
the island of Malta, and went through the museums there, Very
impressive!! The Knights Templar and theTuetonic Knights were powerful
organizations. My thanks and appreciation for the websites, and the
information. Another area to read about, -- so much of interest and so
little time (Grin!!!!!!!).

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re-schedule of Comitia Plebis tributa
From: "Daniel O. Villanueva" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:08:59 -0300
Ex domo officio Tribunus Plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus omnibus civibus S.P.D.

Considering that the tax deadline ends on April 30th during the run-off election , and since as tribunus I must make sure that all the candidates fullfill with the law regarding the tax issue, I do hereby postpone the beginning of the election to May 3rd. The voting shall end as already scheduled by May 10th. Thus fullfilling the 8 days required by law.

Scribebam Bonariae a.d. VII Kal. Mai. MMDCCLVI (April 25th, 2003)


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: incorrect URL
From: "Declan Dillman" <dillpickle@qwest.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:16:31 -0600
Ah yes, My mistake!
the correct URL is http://legvi.tripod.com/loricas/id7.html

hope this helps!

they have better pictures than I do, and they have a good description.
It seems to be sized similarly to the deepeeka
lorica segmentatas, approx. a 44" chest, and a 34"-38" waist. It doesn't
fit me perfectly, but again, it's not custom made.
if you have other questions, Please contact me at :
marius_aquilus@yahoo.com.






Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Minerva Temple
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:55:44 -0300 (ART)
Salvete

--- jmath669642reng@webtv.net escreveu: [..]
> In England in the 18th and into the 19th century
> very elaborate "ruins"
> were constructed in the "gardens" of many wealthy
> country homes. These
> ruins carefully designed and constructed to reflect
> all the romanticism
> possible from these structures.
[..]

M.ARMINIUS: I suddenly remember of my visit to Germany
in 1998; i visited the "Sansouci" palace, in Potsdam,
built by king Frederick II the Great. Within the sight
of the palace, in a nearby hill, there was some
"ancient ruins", but fake ones, specially built by the
king to give him a beautiful sight...

> Respectfully;
> Marcus Minucius Audens

Vale
Marcus Arminius

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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Minerva Temple
From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:33:50 +0100 (BST)
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>From : =?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br>
Date : 25 April 2003 21:55:44
>
>of the palace, in a nearby hill, there was some
>“ancient ruins“, but fake ones, specially built by the
>king to give him a beautiful sight...
>
I add to this an article in Stern entitled "Warum ist es am Rhein so Deutsch?" (Why is it on the Rhine so German?) revealing that a good half of the romantic ruins overlooking the lower Rhine valley were built that way by order of Kaiser Willhelm I.

Caesariensis


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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Titus=20Arminius=20Genialis?= <tagenialis@yahoo.com.br>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:38:33 -0300 (ART)
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