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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Today's Doonesbury strip
From:	ames0826@cs.com
Date:	Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:02:49 -0500

"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com> wrote:

> Salve,
>
>Ah, but it displays Trudeau's ignorance of the Roman Republic.nbsp; Duke
>calls himself quot;Pro-consulquot; rather than quot;Consul.quot;nbsp;
>
>Vale,
>
>Q. Cassius Calvus
>

I think he meant "proconsul" as in governer of a province: i.e., Iraq. He did misspell "proconsul" if he used a hyphen, though.

Does this mean that Honey is his questor?


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Today's Doonesbury strip
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:38:16 EST

In a message dated 3/17/03 4:15:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, ames0826@cs.com
writes:

> I think he meant "proconsul" as in governer of a province: i.e., Iraq. He
> did misspell "proconsul" if he used a hyphen, though.
>
> Does this mean that Honey is his questor?
>
>

Honey has always been his Quaestor.

It should have been Propraetor. Duke never held a higher office. He was an
ambassador to the USA, and even though ran for higher office, was defeated.

I dropped an e-mail to Garry. We will see if he responds.

Fabius

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Today's Doonesbury strip
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:29:05 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/17/03 4:15:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ames0826@c...
> writes:
>
>
> > I think he meant "proconsul" as in governer of a province: i.e.,
Iraq. He
> > did misspell "proconsul" if he used a hyphen, though.
> >
> > Does this mean that Honey is his questor?
> >
> >
>
> Honey has always been his Quaestor.
>
> It should have been Propraetor. Duke never held a higher office.
He was an
> ambassador to the USA, and even though ran for higher office, was
defeated.
>
> I dropped an e-mail to Garry. We will see if he responds.
>
> Fabius

Salve,

LOL, and good luck, Fabius <G> Though I thank you for backing me up
that in order to be proconsul one must first be of consular status.
Though I can't picture Duke settling for anything less than
Emperor.....

Vale,

Calvus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] How are things?
From:	"Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@datanet.ab.ca>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:27:18 -0000

Salvete omnes,

I just got in for the week and thought I'd say hello to everyone.
I'll play catch up and read the postings from the last several days.
I have the luxury of my own Sat TV where I work. I just wanted to
point out that there is a movie called "Druids" with Christopher
Lambert, Klaus Maria Brandauer, Max Von Sydow. Its a Canada- France
production from 2001 and is all about the rise of Vercingetroix and
his clash with Caesar. Not a high production like Gladiator but not
bad at all and reasonably accurate as history goes. Its sure worth a
look in my opinion. I'll see if its available in video stores.

Valete bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Anyone read paranormal time-travel ancient Roman novels?
From:	"biojournalism" <biojournalism@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:04:50 -0000

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Musical Dissapointment
From:	"austrolopithicus_robustus" <austrolopithicus_robustus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:54:41 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, cassius622@a... wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> While in Italy, Patricia Cassia and I found a new "Roman music" CD,
by Pietro
> Pirelli, entitled "Hyman O Hymenaee". The back of the CD had the tag
line -
> "To repeat the music of ancient Rome would be impossible, why not
re-invent
> it therefore?" Cuts from the CD were entitled Aut Dormi, Aut Lacta, Aut
> Dormi, Pan E Syrinx, etc. We had high hopes that the music would at
least be
> tolerable, and therefore usable as background music at Roman events,
etc.

Austro: As artists are intitled to their interpretation of "modern"
music. This person has every right to express what he thinks his
ancestors' music sounded like. BY the way, Greek music would be
comparable to Roman music.

>
> The CD seemed to have some very good potential elements. They sang
in Latin,
> had decent voices, and were able to keep a good ancient-sounding
percussion
> line.

>
> However, in our opinion, the CD was terrible, to the point of being
> completely unlistenable. Why? Because the group which made the CD
insisted on
> adding a huge variety of creepy, unmelodic, and jarring sounds to
the music -
> making it sound like the track to a particularly bad horror film.

Austro: I take it that you dont listen to industrial or goth music?

Really, the
> sounds were depressing, and *creepy*. In the same track the group
would play
> 30 seconds of good Latin signing combined with reasonable ancient -
sounding
> drum work and flute music... and then they'd play five minutes of
garbled
> sound little better then white noise.
>
> Many of us have heard the album "Synaulia", which flatly admitted to be
> people just testing the sound of ancient instruments, rather than an
attemp
> to create Roman songs. In comparison with "Hymen O Hymenaee",
"Synaulia" was
> a beautiful harmonic symphony. This new album was about as
attractive as
> listening to chickens being run over by a steamroller in slow motion.

Austro: What kind of sick freak listens to chickens being run over by
a steam roller? You, I suppose.

>
> Sorry to rant, folks, but I continue to be amazed at people who seem to
> believe that the ancient Romans listened to nothing but disjointed
sounds
> that couldn't be sung, played from memory, or whistled by a person
for fun.

Austro: Who are you to say that they didnt? All Roman musicians
expressed themselves in only one manner?

> It was especially frustrating to know that these musicians had the
capability
> to do an album that could have been these things, but ended up being
overlaid
> by weird non-musical sound, much of which was apparantly done on a
modern
> synthesizer.

Austro: I await YOUR cd listening party. Before I end my critique of
your critique, which label or music publication do you work for? Or,
do you just play an instrument?

>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Musical Dissapointment
From:	"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@aol.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:57:17 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "austrolopithicus_robustus"
<austrolopithicus_robustus@y...> wrote:
> Austro: As artists are intitled to their interpretation
of "modern"
> music. This person has every right to express what he thinks his
> ancestors' music sounded like. BY the way, Greek music would be
> comparable to Roman music.

Cassius:
These folks certainly had every right to produce their music in
whatever way they wish. I have an equal right to say that I disliked
the music extremely, and also believe it to be very inaccurate from a
historical standpoint. There *are* a few small surviving pieces of
ancient music, so there is at least a small clue they could have
worked from if they had chosen to.

>
> Austro: I take it that you dont listen to industrial or goth music?

Cassius:
Not as such. My tastes don't run that way. However, I'll say nothing
bad about them as musical forms... they are what they are, and
usually don't pretend to be anything else.
>
>> Austro: What kind of sick freak listens to chickens being run over
by > a steam roller? You, I suppose.

Cassius:
There is no need whatever to insult me personally. You're more than
welcome to pick up this CD, and whatever other music you like, and
listen to it to your heart's content. But again, that will not stop
me from expressing my opinion about it.

>
> Austro: Who are you to say that they didnt? All Roman musicians
> expressed themselves in only one manner?
>

Cassius:
Roman musicians would have no doubt expressed themselves in several
ways... but none of them would have been like this. In societies
where there there were no means of mechanical recording music, tended
to be in structured forms that could be remembered by those who heard
it and played it. This music had no structure - it was an 'avant
garde' modernistic creation. A bit like trying to say a painting by
Picasso is the same style as what the ancient Romans painted in their
frescoes.

> Austro: I await YOUR cd listening party. Before I end my critique of
> your critique, which label or music publication do you work for? Or,
> do you just play an instrument?

Cassius:
I don't work for a music label. However, I'm starting to suspect that
you might be working for, or at least friends with the people who
produced this CD. If so, please don't take my post as a personal
insult... but rather as a sincere expression of dissapointment from
someone who simply wanted a realistic approach to ancient musical
forms. These folks could simply build on the strengths they do have
and produce a more accurate album in the future. That is likely to
happen only if people take the time to say that stuff like they've
produced now doesn't cut it.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Today's Doonesbury strip
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:48:50 -0500

Correction. Duke served as an ambassador FROM the USA twice in the history of Doonesbury; once to Guam (or maybe Samoa) and once to China. He was also a drug dealer, a cruise director during the Falkland War, a zombie, and a movie producer who was also a drug dealer plus running about 200 shady deals over the last 35 years.

F Gal Aur Sec


Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:22:45 -0000

"To the People:

Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
the
mind.

And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
blood
boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
in
seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
with
fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
the leader and gladly so.

How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "

-- Julius Caesar

~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:45:35 US/Central

Salvete

> Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war...
> -- Julius Caesar

Purely for informative purposes, and without any comment on the coming US-Iraq
war, I feel compelled to point out that C Iulius Caesar never wrote the above.
And, no ancient author ever attributed the sentiment to him.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:12:39 -0500

Salve Mater

As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling). She
made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly. The
(Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
liberation) the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the liberators
that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was wrong.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

----- Original Message -----
From: "teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@yahoo.com>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

> "To the People:
>
> Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> the
> mind.
>
> And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> blood
> boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> in
> seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> with
> fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> the leader and gladly so.
>
> How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
>
> -- Julius Caesar
>
> ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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>


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:33:07 US/Central

Salve Tiberi Galeri

> ...the passage you quoted was first made public last year by Barbara
> Streisand (spelling).

This is incorrect. The quote has been making the Internet rounds since the
latter part of 2001, and has been used by quite a few representatives of the
political spectrum from proponents of the New Left to Libertarians. Plenty of
people erroneously believe that either C Iulius or William Shakespeare wrote
it, and it was public long before Streisand's speech of 29 Sep 2002.

(Only because you asked, with no intent to embarass: it's Barbra Streisand,
with only two a's in the first name.)

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
Date:	18 Mar 2003 13:38:27 -0300

Em Ter, 2003-03-18 �s 13:12, Stephen Gallagher escreveu:
> Salve Mater
>
> As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
> family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
> quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling). She
> made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly. The
> (Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
> liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
> liberation)

You mean conquered of course. Iraq is a full member of the UN and was
not conquered by any one in the last 50 years.

BTW if a member of the UN attacks another member of the UN without
previous authorization of the UN, the normal response is an automatic
embargo of this contravenant country. I really expect to see this
happening.

IF some country attacks another and IF the governements are to
initimidated by that country and do not install an embargo,
then I hope for the people to boycott every product manufactured in the
offending country.

Salve

Manius Villius Limitanus

> the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the liberators
> that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was wrong.
>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Citizen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@yahoo.com>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
>
>
> > "To the People:
> >
> > Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> > the
> > mind.
> >
> > And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> > blood
> > boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> > in
> > seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> > with
> > fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> > the leader and gladly so.
> >
> > How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
> >
> > -- Julius Caesar
> >
> > ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
>
>
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--
Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	Michel Loos <loos@qt1.iq.usp.br>
Date:	18 Mar 2003 13:40:22 -0300

Em Ter, 2003-03-18 �s 07:33, labienus@novaroma.org escreveu:
> Salve Tiberi Galeri
>
> > ...the passage you quoted was first made public last year by Barbara
> > Streisand (spelling).
>
> This is incorrect. The quote has been making the Internet rounds since the
> latter part of 2001, and has been used by quite a few representatives of the
> political spectrum from proponents of the New Left to Libertarians. Plenty of
> people erroneously believe that either C Iulius or William Shakespeare wrote
> it, and it was public long before Streisand's speech of 29 Sep 2002.
>
> (Only because you asked, with no intent to embarass: it's Barbra Streisand,
> with only two a's in the first name.)
>

Have you an idea about the author?
(Off course it is quite modern form the style/ideas expressed)

Manius Villius Limitanus
> Valete
> T Labienus Fortunatus
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>
>
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>
--
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	labienus@novaroma.org
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:44:56 US/Central

Salve Mani Villi

> Have you an idea about the author?

No. It's one of those Internet phenomena with no known source.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:47:53 -0600

Ave wise TGP

I agree wholeheartedly with you. It sickens me to see those who have
profited so disproportionately from democracy and capitalism(actors) act and
speak out so ignorantly against the very country and citizenry that made
them what they are. They are fools. As far as our "allies" go, I see no
problem with leaving them in the dust and doing what is right. Thats why we
left those countries in the first place. We don't take our cues from other
countries. We do things differently, and for the most part, we strive to do
what is right. By all rights, we should abandon Israel. If we did that, our
problems in the Middle East would soon be over. But, for better or worse, we
consider them friends and we stand by them, to our great detriment. We don't
knuckle under to terrorism and cower in the corner and "negotiate". Saddam
will be crushed. Bin Laden will be crushed. We'll make the whole Middle East
into a parking lot if that what it takes.

Love is trap laid out by the forces of evolution. Pleasure is the bait laid
out by the same force. There is only Power. Power is of the individual mind,
but Power of the Mind is not enough. Power of the body decides everything in
the end, and only Might makes Right.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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From: Stephen Gallagher [mailto:spqr753@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:13 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

Salve Mater

As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling).
She
made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly. The
(Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
liberation) the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the
liberators
that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was
wrong.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

----- Original Message -----
From: "teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@yahoo.com>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

> "To the People:
>
> Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> the
> mind.
>
> And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> blood
> boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> in
> seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> with
> fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> the leader and gladly so.
>
> How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
>
> -- Julius Caesar
>
> ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:52:18 -0600

"You mean conquered of course. Iraq is a full member of the UN and was
not conquered by any one in the last 50 years.

BTW if a member of the UN attacks another member of the UN without
previous authorization of the UN, the normal response is an automatic
embargo of this contravenant country. I really expect to see this
happening.

IF some country attacks another and IF the governements are to
initimidated by that country and do not install an embargo,
then I hope for the people to boycott every product manufactured in the
offending country."

No, we mean "liberated", of course.

We're really scared of an embargo, or boycott from the UN. Look how bad it
scared Saddam Hussein. He was really whipped into shape.

The LaSalle Law Office
417 East 13th Street
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Loos [mailto:loos@qt1.iq.usp.br]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:38 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

Em Ter, 2003-03-18 �s 13:12, Stephen Gallagher escreveu:
> Salve Mater
>
> As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
> family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
> quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling).
She
> made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly.
The
> (Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
> liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
> liberation)

You mean conquered of course. Iraq is a full member of the UN and was
not conquered by any one in the last 50 years.

BTW if a member of the UN attacks another member of the UN without
previous authorization of the UN, the normal response is an automatic
embargo of this contravenant country. I really expect to see this
happening.

IF some country attacks another and IF the governements are to
initimidated by that country and do not install an embargo,
then I hope for the people to boycott every product manufactured in the
offending country.

Salve

Manius Villius Limitanus

> the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the liberators
> that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was
wrong.
>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Citizen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@yahoo.com>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
>
>
> > "To the People:
> >
> > Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> > the
> > mind.
> >
> > And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> > blood
> > boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> > in
> > seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> > with
> > fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> > the leader and gladly so.
> >
> > How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
> >
> > -- Julius Caesar
> >
> > ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@hotmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:37:01 -0800

Still, it gives serious concern to see the questionably elected leader of a
democracy giving an ultimatum as a precursor to an unprovked attack on
another nation. The whole comic opera of rallying other nations to assist
us in our "liberation" of Iraq has pretty much come to nothing. The tenuous
alliance was starting to fall apart as Blair's government starts to revolt
against foreign adventurism and the President's own father advised Junior to
seek a multilateral solution to the problem of Iraq. Two tired former
empires do not make a broad coalition. It has also fallen from public
conscience that at one point the very fundamental materials needed for
producing the dread weapons of mass destruction (our nominal causus
belli)were given to Iraq by none other than the Western powers. One can only
hope and pray for a quick decisive war, followed by an opportunity to focus
on the long neglected domestic affairs.
Oh, by the way, who's going to pay for this adventure? Who will profit?
The sticky hands of Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root are
conveniently everywhere in the plans to rebuild a shattered nation. I wonder
whose suggestion that was?
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:47:27 -0500

Salve G. Basilicatus Agricola:
>
> It sickens me to see those who have profited so disproportionately from democracy and capitalism(actors) act and
> speak out so ignorantly against the very country and citizenry that made them what they are. They are fools.
>
The "actors" you depricate do not speak with one voice; neither does the citizenry. As citizens themselves, the actors who are anti-war/anti-Bush have every right to speak out, and the fact that they disagree with the warmongers does not make them unpatriotic. Peter Ustinov once observed that, "in America, through pressure of conformity, there is freedom of choice but nothing to choose from." That was half a century ago, but the spirit of the House Committee on Un-American Activities lives on whenever we conclude that "doing what is right" includes vilifying dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only a unanimity of the graveyard.

L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

Ave wise TGP

I agree wholeheartedly with you. It sickens me to see those who have
profited so disproportionately from democracy and capitalism(actors) act and
speak out so ignorantly against the very country and citizenry that made
them what they are. They are fools. As far as our "allies" go, I see no
problem with leaving them in the dust and doing what is right. Thats why we
left those countries in the first place. We don't take our cues from other
countries. We do things differently, and for the most part, we strive to do
what is right. By all rights, we should abandon Israel. If we did that, our
problems in the Middle East would soon be over. But, for better or worse, we
consider them friends and we stand by them, to our great detriment. We don't
knuckle under to terrorism and cower in the corner and "negotiate". Saddam
will be crushed. Bin Laden will be crushed. We'll make the whole Middle East
into a parking lot if that what it takes.

Love is trap laid out by the forces of evolution. Pleasure is the bait laid
out by the same force. There is only Power. Power is of the individual mind,
but Power of the Mind is not enough. Power of the body decides everything in
the end, and only Might makes Right.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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From: Stephen Gallagher [mailto:spqr753@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:13 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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Salve Mater

As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling).
She
made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly. The
(Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
liberation) the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the
liberators
that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was
wrong.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

----- Original Message -----
From: "teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@yahoo.com>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

> "To the People:
>
> Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> the
> mind.
>
> And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> blood
> boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> in
> seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> with
> fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> the leader and gladly so.
>
> How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
>
> -- Julius Caesar
>
> ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Today's Doonesbury strip
From:	Pat <pmcl@nctimes.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:31:26 -0800

S. Omnes,

F Gal Aur Sec wrote:
>Correction. Duke served as an ambassador FROM the USA twice in the
>history of Doonesbury; once to Guam (or maybe Samoa) and once to
>China. He was also a drug dealer, a cruise director during the Falkland
>War, a zombie, and a movie producer who was also a drug dealer plus
>running about 200 shady deals over the last 35 years.

I've tried to sit on my hands and wait while the censors get around to my
citizenship. But a purely factual correction is making my fingertips ache
(or perhaps it's just the lack of blood flow from sitting on them for so long).

Duke served as governor (appointive, not elective... though our standards
may have fallen that low since those cartoons were drafted) of whatever
Pacific American protectorate it was supposed to have been.

(The USA doesn't send ambassadors to Guam and American Samoa, any more than
it does to Puerto Rico)

Valete!

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to
rule it."
-- H. L. Mencken --

"Never was so much false arithmetic employed on any subject, as that which
has been employed to persuade nations that it is in their interest to go to
war."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1782 --


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Musical Dissapointment
From:	Cleofus Jackson <austrolopithicus_robustus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:48:45 -0800 (PST)

AUSCASDICT,

Of course you have every right to have an
opinion about someones' musical interpretaion of the
ancient Roman world. And can only hope that you
encourage those in your community to write and perform
in the old ways.

vale, Austro

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:04:43 -0600

Everything you say is sort of right. Peter Ustinov, great actor. Should've
stuck to acting. Plenty to choose from in America. The whole spectrum of
views are available.I never argued fro compulsory unification of opinion.
It's tiring to see actors using their fame as a launching pad for the
hackenyed liberal vomit. My belief is that what President Bush is doing is
right. Therefore, everyone else who holds a different opinion is wrong. That
is the nature of a belief or opinion. Its not a suggestion. Its not a "feel
good bi-partisan can't we all just get along" philosophy the democrats
acquired as soon as they lost power and were rightfully marginalized. Thats
it.

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Walzer [mailto:jwalzer5@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:47 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

Salve G. Basilicatus Agricola:
>
> It sickens me to see those who have profited so disproportionately from
democracy and capitalism(actors) act and
> speak out so ignorantly against the very country and citizenry that
made them what they are. They are fools.
>
The "actors" you depricate do not speak with one voice; neither does
the citizenry. As citizens themselves, the actors who are
anti-war/anti-Bush have every right to speak out, and the fact that they
disagree with the warmongers does not make them unpatriotic. Peter Ustinov
once observed that, "in America, through pressure of conformity, there is
freedom of choice but nothing to choose from." That was half a century ago,
but the spirit of the House Committee on Un-American Activities lives on
whenever we conclude that "doing what is right" includes vilifying
dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only a unanimity of
the graveyard.

L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

Ave wise TGP

I agree wholeheartedly with you. It sickens me to see those who have
profited so disproportionately from democracy and capitalism(actors) act
and
speak out so ignorantly against the very country and citizenry that made
them what they are. They are fools. As far as our "allies" go, I see no
problem with leaving them in the dust and doing what is right. Thats why
we
left those countries in the first place. We don't take our cues from
other
countries. We do things differently, and for the most part, we strive to
do
what is right. By all rights, we should abandon Israel. If we did that,
our
problems in the Middle East would soon be over. But, for better or
worse, we
consider them friends and we stand by them, to our great detriment. We
don't
knuckle under to terrorism and cower in the corner and "negotiate".
Saddam
will be crushed. Bin Laden will be crushed. We'll make the whole Middle
East
into a parking lot if that what it takes.

Love is trap laid out by the forces of evolution. Pleasure is the bait
laid
out by the same force. There is only Power. Power is of the individual
mind,
but Power of the Mind is not enough. Power of the body decides
everything in
the end, and only Might makes Right.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

The LaSalle Law Office
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
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From: Stephen Gallagher [mailto:spqr753@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:13 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

Salve Mater

As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My
Roman
family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand
(spelling).
She
made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly.
The
(Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq
is
liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war
of
liberation) the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the
liberators
that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was
wrong.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

----- Original Message -----
From: "teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@yahoo.com>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

> "To the People:
>
> Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip
the
> citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> the
> mind.
>
> And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> blood
> boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no
need
> in
> seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> with
> fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights
unto
> the leader and gladly so.
>
> How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
>
> -- Julius Caesar
>
> ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
>
>
>
>
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> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:16:31 -0600

No dawn of Empire here. Its long been a reality. We have spheres of military
influence.We must protect them.

Whether or not you believe he was questionably elected bears nothing in
this debate. He is the president, end of story. Is supposed to go around
saying " I know it was a close election, so I guess I'll do nothing"? The
Great Scumbag Clinton was never elected with a majority, and that never
slowed him down. If Engalnd , France or Spain wants no part of this war,
thats fine. Who cares? it would be better to have them along, but if they
don't have the stomach for it, adios. Its easier to go in now and take care
of the problem before it gets out of hand, like it did in WWI or WWII.

"It has also fallen from public conscience that at one point the very
fundamental materials needed for producing the dread weapons of mass
destruction (our nominal causus belli)were given to Iraq by none other than
the Western powers"

There is no such thing as public conscience. And the public shouldn't be
making foriegn policy decisions in any event. And if it is true that we
armed Saddam, then that is a mistake that needs to be corrected. You
liberals use guilt as a reason for doing nothing, to sit around and wring
our hands and beat ourselves up. Those days are over.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus [mailto:ahenobarbus@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:37 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

Still, it gives serious concern to see the questionably elected leader of
a
democracy giving an ultimatum as a precursor to an unprovked attack on
another nation. The whole comic opera of rallying other nations to assist
us in our "liberation" of Iraq has pretty much come to nothing. The
tenuous
alliance was starting to fall apart as Blair's government starts to revolt
against foreign adventurism and the President's own father advised Junior
to
seek a multilateral solution to the problem of Iraq. Two tired former
empires do not make a broad coalition. It has also fallen from public
conscience that at one point the very fundamental materials needed for
producing the dread weapons of mass destruction (our nominal causus
belli)were given to Iraq by none other than the Western powers. One can
only
hope and pray for a quick decisive war, followed by an opportunity to
focus
on the long neglected domestic affairs.
Oh, by the way, who's going to pay for this adventure? Who will profit?
The sticky hands of Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root
are
conveniently everywhere in the plans to rebuild a shattered nation. I
wonder
whose suggestion that was?
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"Barry Smith" <bsmith3121@msn.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:18:49 -0500

Aah, but there was UN approval - last year. It's just that the UN is afraid to act because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. The UN also did not act in Kosovo, Rwanda, Somalia, and several other countries. As I recall, there was no embargo of the US when we took action against Kosovo, which was justified. The action taken against is completely justified and was approved by the UN with the passage of 1441. BTW this is the 3rd largest coalition of nations ever assembled for military action. WWII was the largest, followed by the first Gulf war. Kind of does away with the theory that the US is acting unilaterally.

Caius Titinius Varus
----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Loos
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

Em Ter, 2003-03-18 �s 13:12, Stephen Gallagher escreveu:
> Salve Mater
>
> As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
> family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
> quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling). She
> made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly. The
> (Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
> liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
> liberation)

You mean conquered of course. Iraq is a full member of the UN and was
not conquered by any one in the last 50 years.

BTW if a member of the UN attacks another member of the UN without
previous authorization of the UN, the normal response is an automatic
embargo of this contravenant country. I really expect to see this
happening.

IF some country attacks another and IF the governements are to
initimidated by that country and do not install an embargo,
then I hope for the people to boycott every product manufactured in the
offending country.

Salve

Manius Villius Limitanus

> the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the liberators
> that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was wrong.
>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Citizen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@yahoo.com>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
>
>
> > "To the People:
> >
> > Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> > the
> > mind.
> >
> > And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> > blood
> > boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> > in
> > seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> > with
> > fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> > the leader and gladly so.
> >
> > How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
> >
> > -- Julius Caesar
> >
> > ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla <hedeabianchia@unc.edu>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:22:11 -0500

Personally, I feel this war is going to happen no matter who protests it,
or what nations stand against the US. And it is NOT unprovoked (sp?). This
should have been finished years ago (probably would have been, too, of
Clinton weren't such an idiot).

However, regardless of where one stands on this war, you must realize that
everyone involved is fighting for his life, for his way of life. I know
several people in the armed forces. For those in the US, this shouldn't be
another Vietnam. Soldiers who go and fight should be celebrated for
defending what was established (through war) over 200 years ago. I'm
forwarding something a friend of mine wrote, since it pertains.

-----
The Every Soldier

Close your eyes and imagine your son lying in sand hot from the sun's
continuous assault. He is not at the beach eyeing the chic young girls in
their hot pink bikinis; instead he is lying in a fox hole and staring down
men that he has never met. Men that he has been told to kill to protect his
family and his country.

Don't pretend that this is some anonymous soldier, as so many of us
Americans are willing to do. This is your son, the baby that you held in
your arms and the child who's scraped knee you patched lovingly with a
Transformers Band Aid. And now he is far from home; his life totters on an
edge and there is nothing that you can do to help him. What is he thinking
there in the desert sand? Do you think he is praying? Is he whispering for
his mother as the enemy approaches? Is he wishing that he could just kiss
his wife?

We are so willing to think of war in vague terms, fights that happen in
other lands, on other soil, to other people. We say that the loss of some
is better for the benefit of the whole. But, what if it is your son?

Now, picture this same soldier. Picture his children asleep at home
without their father. They are dreaming about his safe homecoming; he has
promised to take them fishing as soon as he gets back. Now, this soldier,
this son of yours: make his speak Arabic. Make his speak Spanish,
Portuguese, give him an English accent. This soldier is every soldier.

I don't care what your stance is on war with Iraq. I don't care if you
protested or if you urged action. I don't care what your religion is:
whether you are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Pagan, or Atheist. I
want for you to remember that war is not vague. I want you to think of this
soldier and know the pain of the people who love him. I want you to think
of this soldier, this every soldier, and whatever method that it is that
you pray I want you to pray for him.

Cheryl Kornegay

NC

-----------

Hedea Bianchia


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:37:21 -0500

Salve

If this coming war was about Empire or oil the USA is already in Saudi
Arabia and Kuwait and could declare victory and have control over both
nations in days, if not hours. Mexico and Canada are even closer and have
great amounts of oil and territory for a New Empire. They have no military
that could stop a Boy Scout troop.

This is about making the nations in the middle east into stable, democratic
nations that will spend more of their natural wealth on the people then on
more palaces for the elites or Weapons of Mass destruction.

The Constitution of the USA is what a President of the USA takes an oath to
not the UN Charter. The Constitution requires that a candidate for President
must get 270 electoral votes to be elected. He/she can lose the popular
vote by millions of votes and still wins if they get 270 electoral votes.
George Bush is the legally and constitutionally elected President of the
USA. He won Florida on election day and in EVERY RECOUNT that was conducted.
( some people need to get over Florida, if Gore wins his HOME state of
Tenn., Florida does not matter.)

Saddam is a DICTATOR and mass murderer and not elected by anybody.
President Bush and Secretary Powell have given the UN every chance to do
the right thing. 12 years is long enough for Saddam. Remember Hitler was in
Power for 12 years and 50 million people died ( in WWII) to put him and
Nazism on the ash heap of history.

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen of the Two great Republics of Human History

----- Original Message -----
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To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

>
> Still, it gives serious concern to see the questionably elected leader of
a
> democracy giving an ultimatum as a precursor to an unprovked attack on
> another nation. The whole comic opera of rallying other nations to assist
> us in our "liberation" of Iraq has pretty much come to nothing. The
tenuous
> alliance was starting to fall apart as Blair's government starts to revolt
> against foreign adventurism and the President's own father advised Junior
to
> seek a multilateral solution to the problem of Iraq. Two tired former
> empires do not make a broad coalition. It has also fallen from public
> conscience that at one point the very fundamental materials needed for
> producing the dread weapons of mass destruction (our nominal causus
> belli)were given to Iraq by none other than the Western powers. One can
only
> hope and pray for a quick decisive war, followed by an opportunity to
focus
> on the long neglected domestic affairs.
> Oh, by the way, who's going to pay for this adventure? Who will profit?
> The sticky hands of Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root
are
> conveniently everywhere in the plans to rebuild a shattered nation. I
wonder
> whose suggestion that was?
> 48 hours til the dawn of Empire...
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	Krysialtemus@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:41:21 -0500

Two tired, former empires??? Questionably elected leader? you sound like the whining, sore-loser, Mr. Tom Daschle himself.Pass this guy the Kleenex. And...just released on the Drudgereport: France wants to send military aid to assist the US if chemical or biological weapons are used. Now I need the Kleenex! I need to wipe my tears from laughing so hard.
Dalmatica


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:54:56 -0500

G. Basilicatus Agricola writes:
>
> They are fools...
> Great Scumbag Clinton was never elected with a majority and that never slowed him down.
>
Believing the opinions of others are wrong is fine. Proving them so is not accomplished by calling them fools and
scumbags. It is undignified for Nova Romans to bicker and name-call instead of using civil discourse to debate
what are, admittedly, hot-button issues.

(Dick Armey once opined that "President Clinton is not my president." If the Republican house whip was able
to publicly disown the commander-in-chief, why pillory actors for simply disagreeing with him??)

By the way, Lincoln did not receive a majority. Nor did Wilson, Truman, Kennedy, Nixon (1968) - or Bush, Jr.

I suspect that if the "acting community" coalesced around the belligerent views of Arnold Schwarzeneggar, Bruce Willis,
and Clint Eastwood, your distaste toward their using their notoriety as a "launchpad" for their opinions would
evaporate. But that's only my opinion.

L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

Everything you say is sort of right. Peter Ustinov, great actor. Should've
stuck to acting. Plenty to choose from in America. The whole spectrum of
views are available.I never argued fro compulsory unification of opinion.
It's tiring to see actors using their fame as a launching pad for the
hackenyed liberal vomit. My belief is that what President Bush is doing is
right. Therefore, everyone else who holds a different opinion is wrong. That
is the nature of a belief or opinion. Its not a suggestion. Its not a "feel
good bi-partisan can't we all just get along" philosophy the democrats
acquired as soon as they lost power and were rightfully marginalized. Thats
it.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:56:08 -0500

Salve

It not my fault she can't spell Barbara.

Vale

Tiberius

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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

> Salve Tiberi Galeri
>
> > ...the passage you quoted was first made public last year by Barbara
> > Streisand (spelling).
>
> This is incorrect. The quote has been making the Internet rounds since
the
> latter part of 2001, and has been used by quite a few representatives of
the
> political spectrum from proponents of the New Left to Libertarians.
Plenty of
> people erroneously believe that either C Iulius or William Shakespeare
wrote
> it, and it was public long before Streisand's speech of 29 Sep 2002.
>
> (Only because you asked, with no intent to embarass: it's Barbra
Streisand,
> with only two a's in the first name.)
>
> Valete
> T Labienus Fortunatus
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] War, NR and this list
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:59:09 EST

Salvete,

On March 12, in message #8670, our Consuls took the admirable step of
declaring Nova Roma a neutral party in the current macronational events. A
war between the US and Iraq has little to do with "things Roman," and we have
Citizens from many countries, religions and sides of the political spectrum.
It is extremely unlikely that we would ever reach consensus on this issue -
and even if we could it wouldn't make much difference to Nova Roma itself.

Many of our Citizens, however, have great interest and/or involvement in this
conflict. It's probably unavoidable that the issue will be debated here.
Stressful times make people want to speak out in any forum where they can be
heard; and past events have shown it's impossible to completely avoid
discussion of such a large issue.

It is very possible that this Forum will be somewhat disrupted with such
discussion over the next few days or even weeks. It may be a difficult time
for all of us. If that difficulty should manifest here that's just human
nature - and not much of anything to do with Nova Roma as a micronation or
organization.

That said, if anyone would like to assist in keeping this forum both 'on
topic' and generally agreeable, there are a few things that can be done:

I. Post and respond to Roman topics - The more we're able to stay involved
with discussion of 'things Roman' in times of stress, the more agreeable this
Forum is likely to be.

II. Avoid argument, or take it off list - If someone posts something that you
strongly disagree with, continuing public discussion on that topic is more
apt to make things worse than better. A private reply to the author of a
message, or no reply at all, is will help the unpleasant thread go away more
quickly.

III. Think about your posts - is what you are saying really helpful, or are
you just blowing off steam?

I'll do my best to make an effort to keep Roman threads going here in the
Forum, and hopefully others can do so as well. :)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] War, NR and this list
From:	John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:07:27 -0500

Vale, Marcus:

Well said. Thanks for attempting to cool things off.

L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: cassius622@aol.com
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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:59 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] War, NR and this list

Salvete,

On March 12, in message #8670, our Consuls took the admirable step of
declaring Nova Roma a neutral party in the current macronational events. A
war between the US and Iraq has little to do with "things Roman," and we have
Citizens from many countries, religions and sides of the political spectrum.
It is extremely unlikely that we would ever reach consensus on this issue -
and even if we could it wouldn't make much difference to Nova Roma itself.

Many of our Citizens, however, have great interest and/or involvement in this
conflict. It's probably unavoidable that the issue will be debated here.
Stressful times make people want to speak out in any forum where they can be
heard; and past events have shown it's impossible to completely avoid
discussion of such a large issue.

It is very possible that this Forum will be somewhat disrupted with such
discussion over the next few days or even weeks. It may be a difficult time
for all of us. If that difficulty should manifest here that's just human
nature - and not much of anything to do with Nova Roma as a micronation or
organization.

That said, if anyone would like to assist in keeping this forum both 'on
topic' and generally agreeable, there are a few things that can be done:

I. Post and respond to Roman topics - The more we're able to stay involved
with discussion of 'things Roman' in times of stress, the more agreeable this
Forum is likely to be.

II. Avoid argument, or take it off list - If someone posts something that you
strongly disagree with, continuing public discussion on that topic is more
apt to make things worse than better. A private reply to the author of a
message, or no reply at all, is will help the unpleasant thread go away more
quickly.

III. Think about your posts - is what you are saying really helpful, or are
you just blowing off steam?

I'll do my best to make an effort to keep Roman threads going here in the
Forum, and hopefully others can do so as well. :)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Today's Doonesbury strip
From:	ames0826@cs.com
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:25:02 -0500

Pat <pmcl@nctimes.net> wrote:

> S. Omnes,
>
>F Gal Aur Sec wrote:
>gt;Correction.nbsp; Duke served as an ambassador FROM the USA twice in the
>gt;history of Doonesbury; once to Guam (or maybe Samoa) and once to
>gt;China.nbsp; He was also a drug dealer, a cruise director during the Falkland
>gt;War, a zombie, and a movie producer who was also a drug dealer plus
>gt;running about 200 shady deals over the last 35 years.
>
>I've tried to sit on my hands and wait while the censors get around to my
>citizenship.nbsp; But a purely factual correction is making my fingertips ache
>(or perhaps it's just the lack of blood flow from sitting on them for so long).
>
>Duke served as governor (appointive, not elective... though our standards
>may have fallen that low since those cartoons were drafted) of whatever
>Pacific American protectorate it was supposed to have been.
>
>(The USA doesn't send ambassadors to Guam and American Samoa, any more than
>it does to Puerto Rico)
>
>Valete!
>
Hail, omnes:

Well, today Proconsul Duke is carrying a bundle of fasces with an axe in them (the axe of course signifying that he means business). I think he ought to be sporting a little ivory rod. Maybe he hasn't had time to hire any lictors yet.

Vale

Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta
>


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] War, NR and this list
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:47:49 -0800 (PST)

Salvete,

completely agreed. There are other lists to talk about these matters.

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae

--- cassius622@aol.com wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> On March 12, in message #8670, our Consuls took the admirable step of
> declaring Nova Roma a neutral party in the current macronational events. A
> war between the US and Iraq has little to do with "things Roman," and we have
> Citizens from many countries, religions and sides of the political spectrum.
> It is extremely unlikely that we would ever reach consensus on this issue -
> and even if we could it wouldn't make much difference to Nova Roma itself.
>
> Many of our Citizens, however, have great interest and/or involvement in this
> conflict. It's probably unavoidable that the issue will be debated here.
> Stressful times make people want to speak out in any forum where they can be
> heard; and past events have shown it's impossible to completely avoid
> discussion of such a large issue.
>
> It is very possible that this Forum will be somewhat disrupted with such
> discussion over the next few days or even weeks. It may be a difficult time
> for all of us. If that difficulty should manifest here that's just human
> nature - and not much of anything to do with Nova Roma as a micronation or
> organization.
>
> That said, if anyone would like to assist in keeping this forum both 'on
> topic' and generally agreeable, there are a few things that can be done:
>
> I. Post and respond to Roman topics - The more we're able to stay involved
> with discussion of 'things Roman' in times of stress, the more agreeable this
> Forum is likely to be.
>
> II. Avoid argument, or take it off list - If someone posts something that you
> strongly disagree with, continuing public discussion on that topic is more
> apt to make things worse than better. A private reply to the author of a
> message, or no reply at all, is will help the unpleasant thread go away more
> quickly.
>
> III. Think about your posts - is what you are saying really helpful, or are
> you just blowing off steam?
>
> I'll do my best to make an effort to keep Roman threads going here in the
> Forum, and hopefully others can do so as well. :)
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Senator
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: War, NR and this list
From:	"Livia Cornelia Hibernia" <lindaw@san.rr.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:39:17 -0000

Salve Senator

Very well said. The wisdom of your posting is highly befitting a
Senator. I am in full agreement. We are all from different
macronations, some involved in this impending conflict, others not,
but certainly all concerned whether that concern be pro or con.

The important thing here is not that we are Americans, or British or
French, Arab or Jew, Christian or Muslim or Pagan, but that we are
all ROMAN. The proudest statement a person could make in antiquity
is "I am a Roman citizen". Let us all remember that in the days and
weeks (hopefully not months) ahead and let us all strive to conduct
ourselves with the highest examples of dignitas and Romanitas.

For my part, I pledge, on my honor as a Roman and by all the Gods and
Goddesses, that I will not engage in any discourse that might be
harmfull to the goals of our beloved Res Publica and that while in
these list of Nova Roma I will put aside my feelings for and
interests in my macronation and will conduct myself a citizen of a
neutral nation; as a proper Roman.

Vale

Livia Cornelia Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, cassius622@a... wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> On March 12, in message #8670, our Consuls took the admirable step
of
> declaring Nova Roma a neutral party in the current macronational
events. A
> war between the US and Iraq has little to do with "things Roman,"
and we have
> Citizens from many countries, religions and sides of the political
spectrum.
> [SNIPPED TO SAVE SPACE]


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:54:42 -0600

So France is concerned about chemical and biological weapons? I thought Iraq
didn't have any since the UN had inspected. Thanks, France. Pass me the
freedom fries and liberty toast.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

Two tired, former empires??? Questionably elected leader? you sound like
the whining, sore-loser, Mr. Tom Daschle himself.Pass this guy the Kleenex.
And...just released on the Drudgereport: France wants to send military aid
to assist the US if chemical or biological weapons are used. Now I need the
Kleenex! I need to wipe my tears from laughing so hard.
Dalmatica


Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:56:07 -0600

You forgot Charleton Heston, Ape Fighter.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:55 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

G. Basilicatus Agricola writes:
>
> They are fools...
> Great Scumbag Clinton was never elected with a majority and that
never slowed him down.
>
Believing the opinions of others are wrong is fine. Proving them so
is not accomplished by calling them fools and
scumbags. It is undignified for Nova Romans to bicker and name-call
instead of using civil discourse to debate
what are, admittedly, hot-button issues.

(Dick Armey once opined that "President Clinton is not my president."
If the Republican house whip was able
to publicly disown the commander-in-chief, why pillory actors for
simply disagreeing with him??)

By the way, Lincoln did not receive a majority. Nor did Wilson,
Truman, Kennedy, Nixon (1968) - or Bush, Jr.

I suspect that if the "acting community" coalesced around the
belligerent views of Arnold Schwarzeneggar, Bruce Willis,
and Clint Eastwood, your distaste toward their using their notoriety
as a "launchpad" for their opinions would
evaporate. But that's only my opinion.

L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

Everything you say is sort of right. Peter Ustinov, great actor.
Should've
stuck to acting. Plenty to choose from in America. The whole spectrum of
views are available.I never argued fro compulsory unification of
opinion.
It's tiring to see actors using their fame as a launching pad for the
hackenyed liberal vomit. My belief is that what President Bush is doing
is
right. Therefore, everyone else who holds a different opinion is wrong.
That
is the nature of a belief or opinion. Its not a suggestion. Its not a
"feel
good bi-partisan can't we all just get along" philosophy the democrats
acquired as soon as they lost power and were rightfully marginalized.
Thats
it.

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:56:35 -0600

hahaha

GB Agricola

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Salve

It not my fault she can't spell Barbara.

Vale

Tiberius

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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

> Salve Tiberi Galeri
>
> > ...the passage you quoted was first made public last year by Barbara
> > Streisand (spelling).
>
> This is incorrect. The quote has been making the Internet rounds since
the
> latter part of 2001, and has been used by quite a few representatives of
the
> political spectrum from proponents of the New Left to Libertarians.
Plenty of
> people erroneously believe that either C Iulius or William Shakespeare
wrote
> it, and it was public long before Streisand's speech of 29 Sep 2002.
>
> (Only because you asked, with no intent to embarass: it's Barbra
Streisand,
> with only two a's in the first name.)
>
> Valete
> T Labienus Fortunatus
>
>
>
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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
From:	"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:59:04 -0600

Ave Tiberius

Agreed. For what this war will cost we could buy enough oil for the next 20
years. Its not strictly about oil.

GB Agricola

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Salve

If this coming war was about Empire or oil the USA is already in Saudi
Arabia and Kuwait and could declare victory and have control over both
nations in days, if not hours. Mexico and Canada are even closer and have
great amounts of oil and territory for a New Empire. They have no
military
that could stop a Boy Scout troop.

This is about making the nations in the middle east into stable,
democratic
nations that will spend more of their natural wealth on the people then on
more palaces for the elites or Weapons of Mass destruction.

The Constitution of the USA is what a President of the USA takes an oath
to
not the UN Charter. The Constitution requires that a candidate for
President
must get 270 electoral votes to be elected. He/she can lose the popular
vote by millions of votes and still wins if they get 270 electoral votes.
George Bush is the legally and constitutionally elected President of the
USA. He won Florida on election day and in EVERY RECOUNT that was
conducted.
( some people need to get over Florida, if Gore wins his HOME state of
Tenn., Florida does not matter.)

Saddam is a DICTATOR and mass murderer and not elected by anybody.
President Bush and Secretary Powell have given the UN every chance to
do
the right thing. 12 years is long enough for Saddam. Remember Hitler was
in
Power for 12 years and 50 million people died ( in WWII) to put him and
Nazism on the ash heap of history.

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen of the Two great Republics of Human History

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@hotmail.com>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

>
> Still, it gives serious concern to see the questionably elected leader
of
a
> democracy giving an ultimatum as a precursor to an unprovked attack on
> another nation. The whole comic opera of rallying other nations to
assist
> us in our "liberation" of Iraq has pretty much come to nothing. The
tenuous
> alliance was starting to fall apart as Blair's government starts to
revolt
> against foreign adventurism and the President's own father advised
Junior
to
> seek a multilateral solution to the problem of Iraq. Two tired former
> empires do not make a broad coalition. It has also fallen from public
> conscience that at one point the very fundamental materials needed for
> producing the dread weapons of mass destruction (our nominal causus
> belli)were given to Iraq by none other than the Western powers. One can
only
> hope and pray for a quick decisive war, followed by an opportunity to
focus
> on the long neglected domestic affairs.
> Oh, by the way, who's going to pay for this adventure? Who will profit?
> The sticky hands of Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root
are
> conveniently everywhere in the plans to rebuild a shattered nation. I
wonder
> whose suggestion that was?
> 48 hours til the dawn of Empire...
>
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