| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:14:03 -0300 (ART) |
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Salve
Oh yes, those things happen. You know, when isnt your
mother tongue ...
I remember that i wrote horrible mistakes in the past,
in the old "novaroma" ML. I learned to re-re-re-read
my letters to be sure that everything is more or less
readable.
Hopefully, the old archives will remain buried for all
the eternity.
:)
Vale
Marcus Arminius
--- jlasalle <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> escreveu: > The
Senate is at the moment discussing a decision
> that involves a decison
> that involves a decision that The Senate is at the
> moment discussing.
>
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
>
> "It is indeed a desirable thing to be
> well-descended, but the glory belongs
> to our ancestors."
> -Plutarch (46-120AD)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> [mailto:christer.edling@telia.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:18 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The
> Eagle and your Patronage"
>
>
> Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
[..]
> The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision
> that involves a
> decison about such longtime undertakings and it
> would be to
> anticipate the decision of the Senate to allow
> such a project on your
> part.
[..]
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Oath as Accensus |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:35:57 -0300 (ART) |
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Oath as Accensus
I, Marcus Arminius Maior, do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in
the best interests of the Consul Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus while I hold this office, except when
such action would be illegal or unconstitutional.
I, Marcus Arminius Maior, further swear to fulfill the
obligations and Responsibilities of the office of the
Consul Caeso Fabius Quintilianus to the best of my
Abilities while following the Roman virtues and
ideals.
I, Marcus Arminius Maior, swear to give faithful
service to my magistrate, and not to divulge any
information discussed in confidence. I understand that
I serve solely at the discretion of my magistrate.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the
presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people
and by their will and favor, do I accept the position
of Accensus with all the privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.
Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March 16 |
| From: |
Legion XXIV <legionxxiv@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:33:49 -0500 |
|
Gallio Velius Marsallas
George W. Metz Praefectus / Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073
legionxxiv@comcast.net 610-353-4982
www.legionxxiv.org
Avete et Salutatio Commilitones
Hello and Greetings from your new Legatus for the
Provincia Pennsylvaniensis - NovaRoma - Media-Atlantica
I have been appointed by our Praetor, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
(William Gawne) to act as a liaison for the 40 Citizens of NovaRoma,
who reside in Pennsylvaniensis.
One of my duties will be to try and have our citizens get together from
time to time. There is an event coming up that will provide an ideal
and impressive venue for such a gathering.
The University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology
will be re-opening their Classical Galleries on March 16th after a nearly
10 year, multi-million dollar renovation. The new displays entitled
"Etruscans - Greeks - Romans - Worlds Intertwined" will be opened to
the public on Sunday, March 16, 2003.
The Museum will conduct a Gala Dinner, Saturday Evening, March 15;
and a Roman Legionary and Gladiatorial Encampment, all-day Sunday,
March 16. The Gala is a private event for the UPM at which Legion XXIV
will be providing atmosphere. Therefore, there will be little for NovaRoma
to do on Saturday Evening. Although we may be able to accompany and provide appropriate atmosphere during the Grand March to the Exhibits.
However, the Encampment on Sunday, 11AM to 4PM, when the Galleries
will be opened to the public, will be like a late winter "Roman Days" Event
and could also be a great place for NovaRomans to gather and get to know
each other. Period attire would be in order and most encouraged.
If there is sufficient interest and response, I may be able to secure a room
or gallery in the Museum for NovaRoma to meet.
The Museum is playing this weekend up BIG with the news media
expected to be in attendance. In other words, we could expect that
"There will be film at Eleven" and probably at "Six" as well.
A great time for Romans to be seen and appreciated, not to mention
the opportunity to gather and meet in the environment of a prestigious
museum of classical history! I realize that time is a little short on this;
but if the will is there, it can happen. Originally, this was to be just a
military encampment and I admit I did not think of the possibilities for
a NovaRoma gathering. Now with my new duties as Legate, this has
come to mind and I hope we can take advantage of the opportunity.
Please let me know if you are interested in coming so we can plan
and advise the Museum Staff accordingly and make the necessary
arrangements for a meeting venue for NovaRoma.
I need to hear from you on this ASAP!
The Museum is located in West Philadelphia at 3230 South Street.
The City is promoting its "Philly is More Fun when you Stay Over"
campaign with a second night free at many hotels on weekends.
This could reduce the cost of overnight accommodations by half!
For directions: consult www.mapquest.com using "3230 South Street,
Phila, 19104". Use South Street exit, west off of I-76, Schuylkill
Expressway, right or left toward large stadium and under RR trestle,
left at first "light", then right into garage.
The BLACK GRYPHON INN, sponsored by the Canton of Gryphonwald,
at the Edison, NJ Moose Lodge was a fun time, with good food,
challenging games and lots of NovaRoma and SCA hospitality.
The theme for 2003 was a "Roman Tavern of Britannia".
Head cook Merlinia served up a feast of Ostrich Balls, Marinated Pork,
Wheat Polenta and Kale Brouse with barley (for the Celts).
(Disclaimer - No Ostriches were de-balled or otherwise harmed.)
The balls were actually beef balls, and although that may seem like a
"lot of bull" - likewise - no bulls were deprived of their manhood.
Lord Ragnarr developed a challenging and exciting board game.
Termed the "Circus Minimus", six charioteers proceed around the Circus
by count of dice. After three rounds of dice throws, four lions are
let loose to pursue the chariots. The lions likewise move by count of the
dice and upon catching-up to a chariot, the rider had to cast a "five" or
higher to survive or have a drawn "Get Out of Lion, Free" card allowing
him to escape. Other cards caused you to "crash" (unless you had an
"Un-Crash" card), allowed you "whip" an opponent, sending him back,
or advance or fall-back, depending on whether the Gods, Emperor or
Crowds were pleased or displeased. It was a well thought out contest
and your Commander crashed or was whipped or attacked several times
by the lions and finally devoured in the three rounds of play in which he participated.
A number of Latin-English skits were also presented. In all, it was a
pleasant way to pass a Saturday and commune with our NovaRoma and
SCA friends.
ROMAN WAR GAME - On the Horizon.
Ted Massad, from Oklahoma, has a start-up Game company,
known commonly as Underground Style Games (US).
They have nearly finished a 15 year project culminating in the
creation of the most comprehensive military and commercial
strategy board game perhaps ever in the history.
Known as 'Civis Romanus'. It is their intention that both novice
as well as historically knowledgeable individuals could use a
board game platform to model and simulate the historically
significant events unvolving political, military, and commercial
reasoning that evolved from 323 B.C. from the death of
Alexander the Great of Macedonia to the fall of Rome (and further
how ancient Western history relates to Modern European Society
and Demographics today).
The board game conceivably can be played to simulate 5 distinct
epochs from 323 B.C. to 1880 AD or played as a campaign game
over 2100 years of history, that could prove how history at one
moment or another could have been changed or very well prove
why all of the events in history lead to the foundation of Western
Civilization exactly the very way that it did.
They are desperately seeking ancient history and board game
enthusiasts (even novices that might just be interested) to contact
them about being Play Testers for Civis Romanus.
Play Testing is planned to begin in Summer of this year 2003.
And we are in need of 100 Play Testers from around the world.
The game consists of a large map board, army playing pieces,
trading posts, commodity cards, technology cards, and marker
tokens. For those that love Roman and Hellenistic History and
would be interested in helping their editing team fine tune the rules
and efficiency of the structure of the game, please contact
Teodor Massad c/o Underground Style Games.
style_jet7@yahoo.com for more information. Please include
'Civis Romanus' Play Testers in Subject field. Thank You !
MARCH EVENTS in Philadelphia
You are reminded of the Events at the University of Pennsylvania,
3200 South Street, during March.
Mar 15 Roman atmosphere for Univ.-PA Museum Gala and
Grand March to Exhibit, 5PM - 9PM, Philadelphia
Mar 16 Legion and Gladiatorial Encampment and Demonstrations,
UPM, with Legion XX. 11AM - 4PM
Mar 19 or 20 Roman atmosphere for UPM Member's Opening Party,
6 - 9PM, Philadelphia No details yet.
UPCOMING EVENTS
April 19-20 "Marching Through Time" Marietta Mansion,
Rt 193, N of Rt 450, Glen Dale, MD
May 3-4 "Universal Soldier" encampment, Fort Washington Park, MD - south of Wash-DC. The Commander will probably not be able to make this event; but I am sure Matt Amt & Legion XX would welcome any of us who could turn-out for this easy and laid-back encampment.
May 24-25 "Quest" SCA Barony of Settmour Swamp, Neshanic Station, near Flemington, NJ. A fun time with a SCA group who welcomes Romans. Melinia's cooking and hospitality is also another inducement to be there.
June 7 - 8 "Roman Days" Encampment , Marietta Mansion, Rt 193, N of Rt 450, Glen Dale, MD. All Rome! - All Day!
Roman Market Days - Hollis Maine - September 13 & 14 (corrected date)
Details to come.
Looking forward to meeting and working with you all in the future
to promote Provincia Pennsylvaniensis and NovaRoma,
I manere in Viresium et Honorare
I remain in Strength and Honor
(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Republica
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire
Gallio / George
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March 16 |
| From: |
"jlasalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:49:00 -0600 |
|
I wish I could go. Check out their website at:
http://www.museum.upenn.edu/new/exhibits/online_exhibits/online_exhibits.sht
ml
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: Legion XXIV [mailto:legionxxiv@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:34 PM
To: Gregoire, Joseph - NR-MA; Katyansky, Helen - NR-MA; Shupp, Michelle -
NR-MA; Miller, John - NR-MA; Miller, Tammy - NR-MA; Miller, John - NR-MA;
Brewster, Roy - NR-MA; Shandruk, Walter - NR-MA; Fenton, Robert - NR-MA;
Ruiz, Denis - NR-MA; Petrozza, Michael - NR-MA; Ferretti, Vincent - NR-MA;
Bompadre, Adam - NR-MA; DiBaggio, John - NR-MA; Collier, Paul - NR-MA;
Gawne, William - NR-Praetor; Gilberti, Frank - NR-MA; Johnson, James -
NR-MA; Fiore, Vincent - NR-MA; Todd, Matthew - NR-MA; Schlegel, Fred -
NR-MA; Caliguri, Megan - NR-MA; Metz, George - NR-MA-Legate; Swank,
Douglas - NR-MA; Cirinione, C.R. - NR-MA; Graham, Jeffrey - NR-MA; Levin,
PhD, Joshua - NR-MA; Gable, Delia - NR-MA; Gallant, Diane - NR-MA; Landan,
Laura - NR-MA; Helt, Brian - NR-MA; Altemus, Krystine - NR-MA; Ferragame,
Joseph - NR-MA; Sharo, David - NR-MA; Peabody, Emma - NR-MA; Stoudt-Bidwell,
Catherine - NR-MA; Bowers, Scott - NR-MA; Weiderhold, Dana - NR-MA
Cc: NovaRoma List Yahoo Groups
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March
16
Gallio Velius Marsallas
George W. Metz Praefectus / Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073
legionxxiv@comcast.net 610-353-4982
www.legionxxiv.org
Avete et Salutatio Commilitones
Hello and Greetings from your new Legatus for the
Provincia Pennsylvaniensis - NovaRoma - Media-Atlantica
I have been appointed by our Praetor, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
(William Gawne) to act as a liaison for the 40 Citizens of NovaRoma,
who reside in Pennsylvaniensis.
One of my duties will be to try and have our citizens get together from
time to time. There is an event coming up that will provide an ideal
and impressive venue for such a gathering.
The University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology
will be re-opening their Classical Galleries on March 16th after a nearly
10 year, multi-million dollar renovation. The new displays entitled
"Etruscans - Greeks - Romans - Worlds Intertwined" will be opened to
the public on Sunday, March 16, 2003.
The Museum will conduct a Gala Dinner, Saturday Evening, March 15;
and a Roman Legionary and Gladiatorial Encampment, all-day Sunday,
March 16. The Gala is a private event for the UPM at which Legion XXIV
will be providing atmosphere. Therefore, there will be little for
NovaRoma
to do on Saturday Evening. Although we may be able to accompany and
provide appropriate atmosphere during the Grand March to the Exhibits.
However, the Encampment on Sunday, 11AM to 4PM, when the Galleries
will be opened to the public, will be like a late winter "Roman Days"
Event
and could also be a great place for NovaRomans to gather and get to know
each other. Period attire would be in order and most encouraged.
If there is sufficient interest and response, I may be able to secure a
room
or gallery in the Museum for NovaRoma to meet.
The Museum is playing this weekend up BIG with the news media
expected to be in attendance. In other words, we could expect that
"There will be film at Eleven" and probably at "Six" as well.
A great time for Romans to be seen and appreciated, not to mention
the opportunity to gather and meet in the environment of a prestigious
museum of classical history! I realize that time is a little short on
this;
but if the will is there, it can happen. Originally, this was to be just
a
military encampment and I admit I did not think of the possibilities for
a NovaRoma gathering. Now with my new duties as Legate, this has
come to mind and I hope we can take advantage of the opportunity.
Please let me know if you are interested in coming so we can plan
and advise the Museum Staff accordingly and make the necessary
arrangements for a meeting venue for NovaRoma.
I need to hear from you on this ASAP!
The Museum is located in West Philadelphia at 3230 South Street.
The City is promoting its "Philly is More Fun when you Stay Over"
campaign with a second night free at many hotels on weekends.
This could reduce the cost of overnight accommodations by half!
For directions: consult www.mapquest.com using "3230 South Street,
Phila, 19104". Use South Street exit, west off of I-76, Schuylkill
Expressway, right or left toward large stadium and under RR trestle,
left at first "light", then right into garage.
The BLACK GRYPHON INN, sponsored by the Canton of Gryphonwald,
at the Edison, NJ Moose Lodge was a fun time, with good food,
challenging games and lots of NovaRoma and SCA hospitality.
The theme for 2003 was a "Roman Tavern of Britannia".
Head cook Merlinia served up a feast of Ostrich Balls, Marinated Pork,
Wheat Polenta and Kale Brouse with barley (for the Celts).
(Disclaimer - No Ostriches were de-balled or otherwise harmed.)
The balls were actually beef balls, and although that may seem like a
"lot of bull" - likewise - no bulls were deprived of their manhood.
Lord Ragnarr developed a challenging and exciting board game.
Termed the "Circus Minimus", six charioteers proceed around the Circus
by count of dice. After three rounds of dice throws, four lions are
let loose to pursue the chariots. The lions likewise move by count of the
dice and upon catching-up to a chariot, the rider had to cast a "five" or
higher to survive or have a drawn "Get Out of Lion, Free" card allowing
him to escape. Other cards caused you to "crash" (unless you had an
"Un-Crash" card), allowed you "whip" an opponent, sending him back,
or advance or fall-back, depending on whether the Gods, Emperor or
Crowds were pleased or displeased. It was a well thought out contest
and your Commander crashed or was whipped or attacked several times
by the lions and finally devoured in the three rounds of play in which he
participated.
A number of Latin-English skits were also presented. In all, it was a
pleasant way to pass a Saturday and commune with our NovaRoma and
SCA friends.
ROMAN WAR GAME - On the Horizon.
Ted Massad, from Oklahoma, has a start-up Game company,
known commonly as Underground Style Games (US).
They have nearly finished a 15 year project culminating in the
creation of the most comprehensive military and commercial
strategy board game perhaps ever in the history.
Known as 'Civis Romanus'. It is their intention that both novice
as well as historically knowledgeable individuals could use a
board game platform to model and simulate the historically
significant events unvolving political, military, and commercial
reasoning that evolved from 323 B.C. from the death of
Alexander the Great of Macedonia to the fall of Rome (and further
how ancient Western history relates to Modern European Society
and Demographics today).
The board game conceivably can be played to simulate 5 distinct
epochs from 323 B.C. to 1880 AD or played as a campaign game
over 2100 years of history, that could prove how history at one
moment or another could have been changed or very well prove
why all of the events in history lead to the foundation of Western
Civilization exactly the very way that it did.
They are desperately seeking ancient history and board game
enthusiasts (even novices that might just be interested) to contact
them about being Play Testers for Civis Romanus.
Play Testing is planned to begin in Summer of this year 2003.
And we are in need of 100 Play Testers from around the world.
The game consists of a large map board, army playing pieces,
trading posts, commodity cards, technology cards, and marker
tokens. For those that love Roman and Hellenistic History and
would be interested in helping their editing team fine tune the rules
and efficiency of the structure of the game, please contact
Teodor Massad c/o Underground Style Games.
style_jet7@yahoo.com for more information. Please include
'Civis Romanus' Play Testers in Subject field. Thank You !
MARCH EVENTS in Philadelphia
You are reminded of the Events at the University of Pennsylvania,
3200 South Street, during March.
Mar 15 Roman atmosphere for Univ.-PA Museum Gala and
Grand March to Exhibit, 5PM - 9PM, Philadelphia
Mar 16 Legion and Gladiatorial Encampment and Demonstrations,
UPM, with Legion XX. 11AM - 4PM
Mar 19 or 20 Roman atmosphere for UPM Member's Opening Party,
6 - 9PM, Philadelphia No details yet.
UPCOMING EVENTS
April 19-20 "Marching Through Time" Marietta Mansion,
Rt 193, N of Rt 450, Glen Dale, MD
May 3-4 "Universal Soldier" encampment, Fort Washington Park, MD -
south of Wash-DC. The Commander will probably not be able to make this
event; but I am sure Matt Amt & Legion XX would welcome any of us who could
turn-out for this easy and laid-back encampment.
May 24-25 "Quest" SCA Barony of Settmour Swamp, Neshanic Station,
near Flemington, NJ. A fun time with a SCA group who welcomes Romans.
Melinia's cooking and hospitality is also another inducement to be there.
June 7 - 8 "Roman Days" Encampment , Marietta Mansion, Rt 193, N of Rt
450, Glen Dale, MD. All Rome! - All Day!
Roman Market Days - Hollis Maine - September 13 & 14 (corrected date)
Details to come.
Looking forward to meeting and working with you all in the future
to promote Provincia Pennsylvaniensis and NovaRoma,
I manere in Viresium et Honorare
I remain in Strength and Honor
(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Republica
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire
Gallio / George
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:57:11 EST |
|
In a message dated 2/24/03 3:49:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@sbcglobal.net writes:
> The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves a decison
> that involves a decision that The Senate is at the moment discussing.
>
It is not as hard as that. The Senate is voting on giving the Eagle more
money.
The Curator took it on himself to come up with an idea to raise more money
for the
Eagle, which was admirable, was illegal under the Roman constitution. Had he
approached
the Senate first with his idea, which I like by the way, he wouldn't have
suffered that veto to his announcement.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March 16 |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:57:54 -0500 |
|
You can !!!! You get on a plane in KC and get off one in Phili
I will pick you up at the airport in my chariot!!!!
Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:56 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March 16
I wish I could go. Check out their website at:
http://www.museum.upenn.edu/new/exhibits/online_exhibits/online_exhibits.sht
ml
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
"It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs
to our ancestors."
-Plutarch (46-120AD)
-----Original Message-----
From: Legion XXIV [mailto:legionxxiv@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:34 PM
To: Gregoire, Joseph - NR-MA; Katyansky, Helen - NR-MA; Shupp, Michelle -
NR-MA; Miller, John - NR-MA; Miller, Tammy - NR-MA; Miller, John - NR-MA;
Brewster, Roy - NR-MA; Shandruk, Walter - NR-MA; Fenton, Robert - NR-MA;
Ruiz, Denis - NR-MA; Petrozza, Michael - NR-MA; Ferretti, Vincent - NR-MA;
Bompadre, Adam - NR-MA; DiBaggio, John - NR-MA; Collier, Paul - NR-MA;
Gawne, William - NR-Praetor; Gilberti, Frank - NR-MA; Johnson, James -
NR-MA; Fiore, Vincent - NR-MA; Todd, Matthew - NR-MA; Schlegel, Fred -
NR-MA; Caliguri, Megan - NR-MA; Metz, George - NR-MA-Legate; Swank,
Douglas - NR-MA; Cirinione, C.R. - NR-MA; Graham, Jeffrey - NR-MA; Levin,
PhD, Joshua - NR-MA; Gable, Delia - NR-MA; Gallant, Diane - NR-MA; Landan,
Laura - NR-MA; Helt, Brian - NR-MA; Altemus, Krystine - NR-MA; Ferragame,
Joseph - NR-MA; Sharo, David - NR-MA; Peabody, Emma - NR-MA; Stoudt-Bidwell,
Catherine - NR-MA; Bowers, Scott - NR-MA; Weiderhold, Dana - NR-MA
Cc: NovaRoma List Yahoo Groups
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Greetings from new Legatus - NR Gathering? on March
16
Gallio Velius Marsallas
George W. Metz Praefectus / Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073
legionxxiv@comcast.net 610-353-4982
www.legionxxiv.org
Avete et Salutatio Commilitones
Hello and Greetings from your new Legatus for the
Provincia Pennsylvaniensis - NovaRoma - Media-Atlantica
I have been appointed by our Praetor, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
(William Gawne) to act as a liaison for the 40 Citizens of NovaRoma,
who reside in Pennsylvaniensis.
One of my duties will be to try and have our citizens get together from
time to time. There is an event coming up that will provide an ideal
and impressive venue for such a gathering.
The University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology
will be re-opening their Classical Galleries on March 16th after a nearly
10 year, multi-million dollar renovation. The new displays entitled
"Etruscans - Greeks - Romans - Worlds Intertwined" will be opened to
the public on Sunday, March 16, 2003.
The Museum will conduct a Gala Dinner, Saturday Evening, March 15;
and a Roman Legionary and Gladiatorial Encampment, all-day Sunday,
March 16. The Gala is a private event for the UPM at which Legion XXIV
will be providing atmosphere. Therefore, there will be little for
NovaRoma
to do on Saturday Evening. Although we may be able to accompany and
provide appropriate atmosphere during the Grand March to the Exhibits.
However, the Encampment on Sunday, 11AM to 4PM, when the Galleries
will be opened to the public, will be like a late winter "Roman Days"
Event
and could also be a great place for NovaRomans to gather and get to know
each other. Period attire would be in order and most encouraged.
If there is sufficient interest and response, I may be able to secure a
room
or gallery in the Museum for NovaRoma to meet.
The Museum is playing this weekend up BIG with the news media
expected to be in attendance. In other words, we could expect that
"There will be film at Eleven" and probably at "Six" as well.
A great time for Romans to be seen and appreciated, not to mention
the opportunity to gather and meet in the environment of a prestigious
museum of classical history! I realize that time is a little short on
this;
but if the will is there, it can happen. Originally, this was to be just
a
military encampment and I admit I did not think of the possibilities for
a NovaRoma gathering. Now with my new duties as Legate, this has
come to mind and I hope we can take advantage of the opportunity.
Please let me know if you are interested in coming so we can plan
and advise the Museum Staff accordingly and make the necessary
arrangements for a meeting venue for NovaRoma.
I need to hear from you on this ASAP!
The Museum is located in West Philadelphia at 3230 South Street.
The City is promoting its "Philly is More Fun when you Stay Over"
campaign with a second night free at many hotels on weekends.
This could reduce the cost of overnight accommodations by half!
For directions: consult www.mapquest.com using "3230 South Street,
Phila, 19104". Use South Street exit, west off of I-76, Schuylkill
Expressway, right or left toward large stadium and under RR trestle,
left at first "light", then right into garage.
The BLACK GRYPHON INN, sponsored by the Canton of Gryphonwald,
at the Edison, NJ Moose Lodge was a fun time, with good food,
challenging games and lots of NovaRoma and SCA hospitality.
The theme for 2003 was a "Roman Tavern of Britannia".
Head cook Merlinia served up a feast of Ostrich Balls, Marinated Pork,
Wheat Polenta and Kale Brouse with barley (for the Celts).
(Disclaimer - No Ostriches were de-balled or otherwise harmed.)
The balls were actually beef balls, and although that may seem like a
"lot of bull" - likewise - no bulls were deprived of their manhood.
Lord Ragnarr developed a challenging and exciting board game.
Termed the "Circus Minimus", six charioteers proceed around the Circus
by count of dice. After three rounds of dice throws, four lions are
let loose to pursue the chariots. The lions likewise move by count of the
dice and upon catching-up to a chariot, the rider had to cast a "five" or
higher to survive or have a drawn "Get Out of Lion, Free" card allowing
him to escape. Other cards caused you to "crash" (unless you had an
"Un-Crash" card), allowed you "whip" an opponent, sending him back,
or advance or fall-back, depending on whether the Gods, Emperor or
Crowds were pleased or displeased. It was a well thought out contest
and your Commander crashed or was whipped or attacked several times
by the lions and finally devoured in the three rounds of play in which he
participated.
A number of Latin-English skits were also presented. In all, it was a
pleasant way to pass a Saturday and commune with our NovaRoma and
SCA friends.
ROMAN WAR GAME - On the Horizon.
Ted Massad, from Oklahoma, has a start-up Game company,
known commonly as Underground Style Games (US).
They have nearly finished a 15 year project culminating in the
creation of the most comprehensive military and commercial
strategy board game perhaps ever in the history.
Known as 'Civis Romanus'. It is their intention that both novice
as well as historically knowledgeable individuals could use a
board game platform to model and simulate the historically
significant events unvolving political, military, and commercial
reasoning that evolved from 323 B.C. from the death of
Alexander the Great of Macedonia to the fall of Rome (and further
how ancient Western history relates to Modern European Society
and Demographics today).
The board game conceivably can be played to simulate 5 distinct
epochs from 323 B.C. to 1880 AD or played as a campaign game
over 2100 years of history, that could prove how history at one
moment or another could have been changed or very well prove
why all of the events in history lead to the foundation of Western
Civilization exactly the very way that it did.
They are desperately seeking ancient history and board game
enthusiasts (even novices that might just be interested) to contact
them about being Play Testers for Civis Romanus.
Play Testing is planned to begin in Summer of this year 2003.
And we are in need of 100 Play Testers from around the world.
The game consists of a large map board, army playing pieces,
trading posts, commodity cards, technology cards, and marker
tokens. For those that love Roman and Hellenistic History and
would be interested in helping their editing team fine tune the rules
and efficiency of the structure of the game, please contact
Teodor Massad c/o Underground Style Games.
style_jet7@yahoo.com for more information. Please include
'Civis Romanus' Play Testers in Subject field. Thank You !
MARCH EVENTS in Philadelphia
You are reminded of the Events at the University of Pennsylvania,
3200 South Street, during March.
Mar 15 Roman atmosphere for Univ.-PA Museum Gala and
Grand March to Exhibit, 5PM - 9PM, Philadelphia
Mar 16 Legion and Gladiatorial Encampment and Demonstrations,
UPM, with Legion XX. 11AM - 4PM
Mar 19 or 20 Roman atmosphere for UPM Member's Opening Party,
6 - 9PM, Philadelphia No details yet.
UPCOMING EVENTS
April 19-20 "Marching Through Time" Marietta Mansion,
Rt 193, N of Rt 450, Glen Dale, MD
May 3-4 "Universal Soldier" encampment, Fort Washington Park, MD -
south of Wash-DC. The Commander will probably not be able to make this
event; but I am sure Matt Amt & Legion XX would welcome any of us who could
turn-out for this easy and laid-back encampment.
May 24-25 "Quest" SCA Barony of Settmour Swamp, Neshanic Station,
near Flemington, NJ. A fun time with a SCA group who welcomes Romans.
Melinia's cooking and hospitality is also another inducement to be there.
June 7 - 8 "Roman Days" Encampment , Marietta Mansion, Rt 193, N of Rt
450, Glen Dale, MD. All Rome! - All Day!
Roman Market Days - Hollis Maine - September 13 & 14 (corrected date)
Details to come.
Looking forward to meeting and working with you all in the future
to promote Provincia Pennsylvaniensis and NovaRoma,
I manere in Viresium et Honorare
I remain in Strength and Honor
(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Republica
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire
Gallio / George
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Questions for the Tribune candidates |
| From: |
AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:02:53 EST |
|
In a message dated 2/24/2003 6:46:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
diana@pandora.be writes:
> 1) What are you doing currently to promote Nova Roma in your area? If you
> are not currently promoting NR, what are your ideas regarding how to
> promote
> NR in the future?
>
I am a Procurator (Senior Legate) within Lacus Magni Province. I
participated in last years Roman event in September (in Columbus, OH), and
will help organize the event this year. Currently the Propraetor and I are
working on getting the Province more active locally, but all things take
time. We hope to start, initially, informal get togethers and hope that they
evolve into something more formal.
> 2) Which of the following duties of a Tribune do you find are most
> important?
> a) senate reporting?
> b) organizing Plebeian elections?
> c) writing new laws?
> d) having the right of intercessio (veto) over the edicts made by other
> magistrates?
>
I think running run-off elections are by far the most important, and
rewarding experience <G>. Seriously....I would say the right of intercessio
is the most important. It is something that requires a great deal of
maturity and sense of responsibility. It is an important balancing tool, and
should only be exercised when absolutely necessary. The other duties are
important as well, but the primary purpose of the Tribune is the right of
intercessio.
> 3) If you have previously held or now hold an office in NR, what have been
> the most rewarding parts of your duties? And what have been the most
> difficult parts of your office?
>
I must say the most rewarding duty within Nova Roma is the priesthood of
Flamen Pomonalis. I love the Gods, and especially Pomona. So service to her
is by far THE most rewarding task within Nova Roma I perform. However, it is
also a difficult role as well. While I consider myself a Reconstructionist I
consider myself a moderate, I believe that several of the priesthood holders
are a little more conservative than I. The most difficult part is seeking
balance. Difficult...(sometimes) yes, but definitely essential.
> 4) What do you think would be the most personally rewarding part of being a
> Tribune? What do you think would be the worst part?
The most rewarding part, IMO, would be to serve the Republic and watch Nova
Roma grow and mature. This can be done with any post I occupy. The worst
part about being a Tribune would be if I would ever have to invoke
intercessio on the edict of a friend. I would do whatever my conscience
dictated in the fulfillment of my duties, but that doesn't mean the decisions
would be easy to make. I acknowledge that, but am prepared to do if
necessary.
Thanks for giving me an opportunity to answer.
In Fellowship:
G. Modius Athanasius
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] What Latin word can I use for pound that was used in ancient Rome? |
| From: |
Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:03:08 -0500 |
|
On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 02:13:19PM -0600, jlasalle wrote:
> "'Something like that' is in the general area, yes. I presume this is an
> indication of your extensive education that you keep telling us about?"
>
> Thats off the top of my head. I learned latin in college and I don't
> speak it everyday. Stop presuming anything about me.
And the reason you think I would listen to your maunderings phrased as
orders is?... You have no influence on what I do, and no way to gain
any. Feel free to puff and blow, though; you can't make yourself look
any more foolish than you already have - it's simply not possible.
> Evidently you must be off
> moderated status, judging from your long, welcome silence.
Your preoccupation with moderated status seems quite apropos. Did your
Nursey tell you to go stand in the corner this past week for being a bad
boy and give you a complex? In fact, I would have expected the list
moderators to kick you off a long time ago, but I suspect they don't
want to soil their shoes.
> Ordinarily you
> are sane, but it appears you have lucid moments when you are only stupid.
Why, thank you; it must be lucidity indeed if even a gormless wad of
pseudo-sentient protoplasm like you manages to recognize it. You,
unfortunately, have *no* lucid moments: the regurgitated vomitus you
spout is, without doubt, the most uniformly boringly senseless droning
I've ever heard (although it _is_ highly reminiscent of cow flatus in
tone and content.) Is there some Git-to-English dictionary people should
use to read you, or is it a lost cause (as I firmly believe) from the
start?
> "Why don't you first give us all an example by donating 10% of all your
> profits to Nova Roma, and stop badgering others until you do?"
>
> I don't need NR or any of its citizens
Believe me, neither NR nor any of its citizens need you any more than
they need septicemia. Oh, wait - I'm being unkind to virulent
microorganisms by comparing them with you: they poison their host system
*quietly*...
> , least of all your rotten malice, to
<smile> Try not to project your own attitudes onto other people. The
twisting psychedelic fog of your drug haze will still remain, but there
will be at least _one_ tiny clear window onto the world in the loony bin
of what you laughably term your mind.
> practice law. Therefore, I owe nothing to NR from my private life, except
> what the SPQR asks. Citizens, whose only purpose here, is to leech
> information for use in private endeavors and personal profit should have the
> courtesy to offer compensation, instead of acting the shamless parasite.
Ah - so now you're going to rate cives by your own scale, and you're
going to enforce your rating by attacking those who don't pass your
inspection. Is there a magistrate here who would care to speak to this
issue - to this criminal practice of prejudice-driven violence?
> So, I ask you real nice, to lay off.
<laugh> Your understanding of "nice" must be fascinating to
xenobiologists. Feel free to post again when you've learned to speak a
human language; until then, go play in your sandpile.
> I'm sure biojournalism can answer my
> "badgering" herself.
The point is, why should anyone here have to? Nova Roma is not a place
where cives should have to defend themselves from badgering and whining
demands for money by random self-inflated windbags.
> Your incessant inanities are tiresome. I'd call you a
> sadistic, hippophilic necrophile, but that would be beating a dead horse.
<Yawn> Did you have to search the Internet for a long time to find that?
Good grief, you couldn't find anyone better to steal from than Woody
Allen... that's _really_ scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Poor thing, whatever shred of originality you may have once had has
rotted away in your leech-like, blood-sucking pursuits. Go on - I _dare_
you to come up with an original insult. Take a year; take several.
HINT: It takes *wit*, which you do not possess and have no way to steal
from your poor deluded clients' wallets. It may be possible to fake
intelligence for a time - you did for a bit, even though the level has
consistently been abysmally low - but you can't fake wit. Keep trying,
though - you're half-way there.
> I look foreward to your next e-mail, as they are always good for a laugh. I
> might even read it.
Whether or not you read it - or, more precisely, have it read to you,
since your loose-lipped vacuity precludes the possibility of your being
able to read - is of no concern to me. All I'm interested in is warning
other Nova Romani that a pile of you is lying in the road so they don't
step in it.
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Caelum, non animum mutant, qui trans mare currunt.
The sky, and not his soul, changes the one who runs across the sea.
-- Horace, "Epistulae"
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:44:02 -0500 |
|
Salvete:
Although I acknowledge your authority in this area, there is no excuse for your not making your position known sooner. Such a decision has caused unconscionable embarrasment to the Honorable Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.
In accordance with Section V. B. 2 of the Constitution of Nova Roma, I propose that the Senate clarify and, once and for all, codify, in a manner understandable to the citizenry of Nova Roma, the vital issue of taxation: how and in what manner it should be assesed and collected. This a grey area that needs to be addressed if we are ever to be a viable entity.
Valete
L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:18 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
I acknowledge the ambitions that You have when it comes to the Eagle,
this is well and good, but it is the Senate that takes all decisons
about the budget according to the Constitution V. B.
Because of the present discussion in the Senate about a modification
of the Budget where the Eagle is one of the main issues I must VETO
item 3. (below) in your latest message according to the power given
to me by the Constitution IV A. 2. d.
The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves a
decison about such longtime undertakings and it would be to
anticipate the decision of the Senate to allow such a project on your
part.
>3. After some brainstorming on finances the staff and I have
>rediscovered the time honored ROMAN TRADITION OF PATRONS
>
>If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a Patron all you have
>to do is pick from the following Levels and send in your check.
>
>Clines (client) Level I 50.00 Donation
>Cultor (fosterner) Level II 125.00 Donation
>Amicus (friend) Level III 250.00 Donation
>Comes (partner) Level IV 400.00 Donation
>Patronus (patron) Level V 500.00 Donation
>
>"What do I get if I am a Patron of the Eagle", you ask? Good question
>
>If you sign up for the Clines level you will receive
>One year subscription to the Eagle and your name on the Patron Page.
>
>If you sign up for the Cultor Level you will receive a two years
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level.
>
>If you sign up for the Amicus Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle mug
>naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people"
>
>If you sign up for the Comes Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special drawing of the Nova Roma Eagle SPQR symbol by the Eagle's
>resident artist.
>
>If you sign up for the Patronus Level V you will receive a three
>year subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special self portrait by the Eagle's resident artist and an issue
>dedicated to YOU
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>Curator Differum
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:17:34 -0800 |
|
Avete L. Seutonius et Omnes,
This issue has been clarified. It is located in the Tabularium, under Senatus Consulta. Specifically its this link: http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-07-18-viii.html Its even simply called Taxiation.
Soon, hopefully our consuls will address the nation about this years tax collection season. Some of my gens members are already paying it via paypal to the payments@novaroma.org addy.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: John Walzer
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Stephen Gallagher
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salvete:
Although I acknowledge your authority in this area, there is no excuse for your not making your position known sooner. Such a decision has caused unconscionable embarrasment to the Honorable Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.
In accordance with Section V. B. 2 of the Constitution of Nova Roma, I propose that the Senate clarify and, once and for all, codify, in a manner understandable to the citizenry of Nova Roma, the vital issue of taxation: how and in what manner it should be assesed and collected. This a grey area that needs to be addressed if we are ever to be a viable entity.
Valete
L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:18 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
I acknowledge the ambitions that You have when it comes to the Eagle,
this is well and good, but it is the Senate that takes all decisons
about the budget according to the Constitution V. B.
Because of the present discussion in the Senate about a modification
of the Budget where the Eagle is one of the main issues I must VETO
item 3. (below) in your latest message according to the power given
to me by the Constitution IV A. 2. d.
The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves a
decison about such longtime undertakings and it would be to
anticipate the decision of the Senate to allow such a project on your
part.
>3. After some brainstorming on finances the staff and I have
>rediscovered the time honored ROMAN TRADITION OF PATRONS
>
>If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a Patron all you have
>to do is pick from the following Levels and send in your check.
>
>Clines (client) Level I 50.00 Donation
>Cultor (fosterner) Level II 125.00 Donation
>Amicus (friend) Level III 250.00 Donation
>Comes (partner) Level IV 400.00 Donation
>Patronus (patron) Level V 500.00 Donation
>
>"What do I get if I am a Patron of the Eagle", you ask? Good question
>
>If you sign up for the Clines level you will receive
>One year subscription to the Eagle and your name on the Patron Page.
>
>If you sign up for the Cultor Level you will receive a two years
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level.
>
>If you sign up for the Amicus Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle mug
>naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people"
>
>If you sign up for the Comes Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special drawing of the Nova Roma Eagle SPQR symbol by the Eagle's
>resident artist.
>
>If you sign up for the Patronus Level V you will receive a three
>year subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special self portrait by the Eagle's resident artist and an issue
>dedicated to YOU
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>Curator Differum
--
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>" <gawne@cesmail.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:30:04 -0000 |
|
L. Suetonius Nerva writes:
[addressing the Senior Consul]
> Although I acknowledge your authority in this area, there is
> no excuse for your not making your position known sooner. Such
> a decision has caused unconscionable embarrasment to the Honorable
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus.
While I'm not pleased to see my able and ambitious Quaestor
placed in this awkward position either, I would advise both you
and him that the proper procedure with any such effort is to present
it to those magistrates in a position to veto it first. If that
presentation occurs in the public forum, then vetos will occur here
too. My Aedilean colleague discovered this difficult political truth
just a bit over a week ago.
I'd also have advised the Senior Consul, had he asked me, to send
a note to Quaestor Galerius Paulinus in private, asking him to
withdraw the proposal until the Senate could act on the matter.
-- Marinus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:56:45 -0500 |
|
Salve Consul Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and the Citizens of Nova Roma
To be as honest as I know how ,I am at a loss for words!!!! The notice I posted on the main list, on patronage, was FIRST sent ,in draft form, to the Novaromaeagle staff site at yahoogroups on January 12 message number 30 out of 93 and again in modified form on January 24 message number 62 of 93 . Members of the Eagle staff who also serve as members of your staff received these posts and said NOT ONE WORD about them that would indicate that you or your colleague had any problem with the Eagle paying its way in the world and relying less on the NR treasury.
The truly mystifying thing, is that BOTH YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUE , BOTH CONSULS, ARE ALSO PRIVY TO THIS LIST AND NEITHER OF YOU SAID A WORD THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO THIS or that if we did it would be vetoed
I am told time and time again that the Eagle MUST pay its own way and EVERYTIME we put one step forward to make this happen somebody does something to push us back five steps in the opposite direction The Patronage program has nothing to do with the budget other than freeing up funds for other uses. I am sure that this patronage plan is in the best Roman tradition. Until last year NR ONLY had money that was donated. NR is almost 5 years old and for the first four years only had money people were willing to give. Nothing in the patronage program costs the treasury a DIME.
The patronage program that I announced on Sunday has already received a pledge from a person who became a citizen on February 5th, L. Suetonius Nerva and he has already sent a check , for $250.00 to help pay for the Eagle. In less than a day we have raised almost 10% of the money in the current NR treasury that some have said took 5 years to raise. In less that a day!!!!
With all do respect to you and your colleague, and knowing how much you must have on your plate, a word before I posted on the ML would have cause me less embarrassment and less work for you. It would also have saved the generous L. Suetonius Nerva from writing a check that will now have to be sent back.
If at anytime you, your colleague or the Senate feel that I am not the person to serve as Curator Differum please have the decency to ask for my resignation.
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum et Quaestor
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:20 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
I acknowledge the ambitions that You have when it comes to the Eagle,
this is well and good, but it is the Senate that takes all decisions
about the budget according to the Constitution V. B.
Because of the present discussion in the Senate about a modification
of the Budget where the Eagle is one of the main issues I must VETO
item 3. (below) in your latest message according to the power given
to me by the Constitution IV A. 2. d.
The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves a
decision about such longtime undertakings and it would be to
anticipate the decision of the Senate to allow such a project on your
part.
>3. After some brainstorming on finances the staff and I have
>rediscovered the time honored ROMAN TRADITION OF PATRONS
>
>If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a Patron all you have
>to do is pick from the following Levels and send in your check.
>
>Clines (client) Level I 50.00 Donation
>Cultor (fosterner) Level II 125.00 Donation
>Amicus (friend) Level III 250.00 Donation
>Comes (partner) Level IV 400.00 Donation
>Patronus (patron) Level V 500.00 Donation
>
>"What do I get if I am a Patron of the Eagle", you ask? Good question
>
>If you sign up for the Clines level you will receive
>One year subscription to the Eagle and your name on the Patron Page.
>
>If you sign up for the Cultor Level you will receive a two years
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level.
>
>If you sign up for the Amicus Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle mug
>naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people"
>
>If you sign up for the Comes Level you will receive a two year
>subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special drawing of the Nova Roma Eagle SPQR symbol by the Eagle's
>resident artist.
>
>If you sign up for the Patronus Level V you will receive a three
>year subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
>special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
>mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
>special self portrait by the Eagle's resident artist and an issue
>dedicated to YOU
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>Curator Differum
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: What Latin word can I use for pound that was used in ancient Rome? |
| From: |
"malkhos <malkhos@yahoo.com>" <malkhos@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:54:13 -0000 |
|
The answer to the immediate question in libera; and it is not
surprising that it has caused some uncertianity, althought it must
have been a common word and has well known Romances descendents
(livre in French; the stylized 'L' monogram used to denoted the
British pound) it was not a common literary word: it does not, I
beleive occur in Lewis' Elementary, but is the first defintion given
in the OLD.
More widely, however, I have just discovered Nova Roma and am greatly
intersted in joining, but I have been for a few days monitoring the
posts here and on some of the other lists. The string of replies to
this rather innocent question contians appaling bitterness; and I
have seen simialr bad manners elsewhere. Is this sort of thing common
here? If so, why is it tolerated?
Malkhos
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "biojournalism
<biojournalism@h...>" <biojournalism@h...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> Can someone tell me the Roman (Latin) word for measuring by the
> pound? Sample sentence, "Masinissa wants 5,000 pounds of gold,
3,000
> pounds of pepper, 30,000 pounds of silver and 4,000 tunics of silk."
> What word can I substitute for pound to mean a similar unit of
> measurement such as a pound of silver or a pound of beans? My novel
> takes place 150 BCE in Rome and with Cato and Scipio in Numidia.
>
>
> Octavia
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:43:29 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn.com> wrote:
SNIP
>
> If at anytime you, your colleague or the Senate feel
> that I am not the person to serve as Curator
> Differum please have the decency to ask for my
> resignation.
Tiberius Galerius,
I for one would hate to see you leave your office. You
have been the most energetic Curator we have had in
some time. We need more people like you. I really did
like your idea to finance the Eagle, and I will do
what I can in assisting you in bringing it about.
L. Sicinius Drusus
Senator
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 04:58:32 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/24/03 3:49:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> jlasalle@s... writes:
>
>
> > The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves a
decison
> > that involves a decision that The Senate is at the moment
discussing.
> >
>
> It is not as hard as that. The Senate is voting on giving the
>Eagle more money.
> The Curator took it on himself to come up with an idea to raise
>more money for the Eagle, which was admirable, was illegal under
>the Roman constitution. Had he approached
> the Senate first with his idea, which I like by the way, he
>wouldn't have suffered that veto to his announcement.
It may be illegal at the moment but in a few days it likely will be.
The Tribunes have posted the items for the Senate vote. One of them
is the item about the Eagle voted on a few weeks ago (it did not pass
because not enough senators voted within the specified time period).
That item will allow the Curator to seek means to finance the Eagle,
such as this proposed system that would be perfectly acceptable.
It would have been better for the Consul to quietly ask the Curator
Differum to withdraw his edict and postpone the project for a week
rather than publicly embarass him. Sometimes it is suitable to
publicly rebuke someone but generally it is not. This was one of
those times when it was not necessary I believe.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius
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| Subject: |
Fw: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:01:07 -0500 |
|
I second the opinion of L. Sicinius Drusus. You are obviously sincere in the execution of your duties, as indicated by the passionate defense of your actions, posted to this group, and Nova Roma would be much the poorer for your loss.
Vale, Lucius
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Sicinius Drusus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn.com> wrote:
SNIP
>
> If at anytime you, your colleague or the Senate feel
> that I am not the person to serve as Curator
> Differum please have the decency to ask for my
> resignation.
Tiberius Galerius,
I for one would hate to see you leave your office. You
have been the most energetic Curator we have had in
some time. We need more people like you. I really did
like your idea to finance the Eagle, and I will do
what I can in assisting you in bringing it about.
L. Sicinius Drusus
Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@yahoo.com.br> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:42:50 -0300 (ART) |
|
Salve, Illustrissimus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus,
Curator Differum
--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn.com> escreveu: >
Salve Consul Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and the
> Citizens of Nova Roma
[..]
> The truly mystifying thing, is that BOTH YOU AND
> YOUR COLLEAGUE , BOTH CONSULS, ARE ALSO PRIVY TO
> THIS LIST AND NEITHER OF YOU SAID A WORD THAT WE
> SHOULD NOT DO THIS or that if we did it would be
> vetoed
> I am told time and time again that the Eagle MUST
> pay its own way and EVERYTIME we put one step
> forward to make this happen somebody does something
> to push us back five steps in the opposite direction
> The Patronage program has nothing to do with the
> budget other than freeing up funds for other uses.
[..]
M.ARMINIUS: I believe that the consules and their
staff didnt disagree with your initiative, but with
minor technical details. The big problem is that, when
someone donates money to you, or to the Eagle, Nova
Roma is responsible for the procedure, since you is a
novaroman magistrate.
So, i believe that the money needs to be directed to
the NR treasure, and then redirected (by the
Quaestores, who recognize thet the money is related to
the Eagle) to you, the Curator Differum.
Seems to be a bit "bureaucratic", but this is
necessary (please, correct me if i am wrong).
[..]
> The patronage program that I announced on Sunday
> has already received a pledge from a person who
> became a citizen on February 5th, L. Suetonius
> Nerva and he has already sent a check , for $250.00
> to help pay for the Eagle. In less than a day we
> have raised almost 10% of the money in the current
> NR treasury that some have said took 5 years to
> raise. In less that a day!!!!
>
> With all do respect to you and your colleague, and
> knowing how much you must have on your plate, a word
> before I posted on the ML would have cause me less
> embarrassment and less work for you. It would also
> have saved the generous L. Suetonius Nerva from
> writing a check that will now have to be sent back.
M.ARMINIUS: Whoa! Please, Tiberius Galerius, hold the
check a bit more! We can solve the situation with more
dialogue.
> If at anytime you, your colleague or the Senate feel
> that I am not the person to serve as Curator
> Differum please have the decency to ask for my
> resignation.
M.ARMINIUS: Tiberius Galerius, i recognize your
efforts to the better of Nova Roma. Please, understand
that this is about a minor, technical detail, and not
towards you personally; a magistrate has only three
days to veto a magisterial edict, and the Senatus
Consulta can take more time. Perhaps the consul
thought that your edict can be vetoed now and rewrited
shortly later.
And, I am sure that the consules want you to remain
our Curator Differum.
Thank you, and Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
Senator, Accensus.
-----
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum et Quaestor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:20 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle
> and your Patronage"
>
> Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
>
> I acknowledge the ambitions that You have when it
> comes to the Eagle,
> this is well and good, but it is the Senate that
> takes all decisions
> about the budget according to the Constitution V. B.
>
> Because of the present discussion in the Senate
> about a modification
> of the Budget where the Eagle is one of the main
> issues I must VETO
> item 3. (below) in your latest message according to
> the power given
> to me by the Constitution IV A. 2. d.
[..]
> >3. After some brainstorming on finances the staff
> and I have
> >rediscovered the time honored ROMAN TRADITION OF
> PATRONS
> >
> >If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a
> Patron all you have
> >to do is pick from the following Levels and send in
> your check.
> >
> >Clines (client) Level I
> 50.00 Donation
> >Cultor (fosterner) Level II
> 125.00 Donation
> >Amicus (friend) Level III
> 250.00 Donation
> >Comes (partner) Level IV
> 400.00 Donation
> >Patronus (patron) Level V
> 500.00 Donation
[..]
> >Vale
> >
> >Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >Curator Differum
>
> --
>
> Vale
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
John Walzer <jwalzer5@comcast.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:36:05 -0500 |
|
Salve, Marci:
You are correct, technically speaking Marcus, as per the Constitution of Nova Roma, but let's get real, guys (and gals):
Tiberius was simply acting in what he considered to be the best interests of Nova Roma. A publication, such as the Eagle purports to be, must be a going concern, grounded on a sound financial base. His efforts to establish the paper as such is simple common sense - and while effusive musings about the "bureaucracy" and the "treasury" are all very well, they are beside the point. The definitive issue is, who's paying the bills?
I think that's the issue the honorable Tiberius was addressing with his notion of a "Patron's List," and it deserves serious consideration.
Vale.
L. Suetonius Nerva
----- Original Message -----
From: M Arminius Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Salve, Illustrissimus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus,
Curator Differum
--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn.com> escreveu: >
Salve Consul Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and the
> Citizens of Nova Roma
[..]
> The truly mystifying thing, is that BOTH YOU AND
> YOUR COLLEAGUE , BOTH CONSULS, ARE ALSO PRIVY TO
> THIS LIST AND NEITHER OF YOU SAID A WORD THAT WE
> SHOULD NOT DO THIS or that if we did it would be
> vetoed
> I am told time and time again that the Eagle MUST
> pay its own way and EVERYTIME we put one step
> forward to make this happen somebody does something
> to push us back five steps in the opposite direction
> The Patronage program has nothing to do with the
> budget other than freeing up funds for other uses.
[..]
M.ARMINIUS: I believe that the consules and their
staff didnt disagree with your initiative, but with
minor technical details. The big problem is that, when
someone donates money to you, or to the Eagle, Nova
Roma is responsible for the procedure, since you is a
novaroman magistrate.
So, i believe that the money needs to be directed to
the NR treasure, and then redirected (by the
Quaestores, who recognize thet the money is related to
the Eagle) to you, the Curator Differum.
Seems to be a bit "bureaucratic", but this is
necessary (please, correct me if i am wrong).
[..]
> The patronage program that I announced on Sunday
> has already received a pledge from a person who
> became a citizen on February 5th, L. Suetonius
> Nerva and he has already sent a check , for $250.00
> to help pay for the Eagle. In less than a day we
> have raised almost 10% of the money in the current
> NR treasury that some have said took 5 years to
> raise. In less that a day!!!!
>
> With all do respect to you and your colleague, and
> knowing how much you must have on your plate, a word
> before I posted on the ML would have cause me less
> embarrassment and less work for you. It would also
> have saved the generous L. Suetonius Nerva from
> writing a check that will now have to be sent back.
M.ARMINIUS: Whoa! Please, Tiberius Galerius, hold the
check a bit more! We can solve the situation with more
dialogue.
> If at anytime you, your colleague or the Senate feel
> that I am not the person to serve as Curator
> Differum please have the decency to ask for my
> resignation.
M.ARMINIUS: Tiberius Galerius, i recognize your
efforts to the better of Nova Roma. Please, understand
that this is about a minor, technical detail, and not
towards you personally; a magistrate has only three
days to veto a magisterial edict, and the Senatus
Consulta can take more time. Perhaps the consul
thought that your edict can be vetoed now and rewrited
shortly later.
And, I am sure that the consules want you to remain
our Curator Differum.
Thank you, and Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
Senator, Accensus.
-----
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum et Quaestor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:20 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle
> and your Patronage"
>
> Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
>
> I acknowledge the ambitions that You have when it
> comes to the Eagle,
> this is well and good, but it is the Senate that
> takes all decisions
> about the budget according to the Constitution V. B.
>
> Because of the present discussion in the Senate
> about a modification
> of the Budget where the Eagle is one of the main
> issues I must VETO
> item 3. (below) in your latest message according to
> the power given
> to me by the Constitution IV A. 2. d.
[..]
> >3. After some brainstorming on finances the staff
> and I have
> >rediscovered the time honored ROMAN TRADITION OF
> PATRONS
> >
> >If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a
> Patron all you have
> >to do is pick from the following Levels and send in
> your check.
> >
> >Clines (client) Level I
> 50.00 Donation
> >Cultor (fosterner) Level II
> 125.00 Donation
> >Amicus (friend) Level III
> 250.00 Donation
> >Comes (partner) Level IV
> 400.00 Donation
> >Patronus (patron) Level V
> 500.00 Donation
[..]
> >Vale
> >
> >Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >Curator Differum
>
> --
>
> Vale
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Provincia Gallia -- New Citizens, Nouveaux Citoyens |
| From: |
Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:11:55 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete,
I would like to invite all the new citizens of Provincia Gallia to subscribe to the
official list at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Gallia/
We have a lot to discuss and particularly the future organisation of our Province.
Come along!!
Tous les nouveaux citoyens de la Provincia Gallia sont invités à s'inscrire à la liste
officielle afin de participer à la future organisation de notre Province à:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Gallia/
Nous vous attendons!!
Valete,
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:01:58 +0100 |
|
Salvete citizens,
I think that everyone has made good points all around regarding our Eagle
editor's proposal and our Senior Consul's veto.
Anyone who is in this Forum knows that we have a wonderful and enthusiastic
editor! He took the initiative for reviving the Eagle and no one is
forgetting that! But it is true that we do have a bureaucracy here and we
need to follow procedures (as annoying as that sometimes is), which
unfortunately also includes the cold hard fact that we may sometimes need to
veto a proposal by someone that we like and respect. It is not an enjoyable
thing to do, which I can say from recent experience!
In any case, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus has a few excellent ideas, which I
am sure will be approved by the Senate, but these things do take a bit of
time. They are already voting on certain things regarding the Eagle and so
this is a priority in the Senate. This was mentioned in both the report of
the last month's Senate meeting, and the agenda for this month's Senate
meeting where the voting is going on as I write this.
Everyone including Caeso Fabius Quintilianus is 100% behind our editor! So
let's not blurry that fact when we get upset because we see that a good
idea has been vetoed. Just sit tight and everything will be ok!
Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Questions for the Tribune candidates |
| From: |
"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:05:01 +0100 |
|
Salve Laenas,
<I see Diana, not that you are safely elected, you start quizzes for
< the rest of us ;-).
Ha ha ha!! I knew someone would notice! But just in case anyone asked, I
made sure that I would only ask questions that I could answer myself :-)
And to both you and Gaius Modius Athanasius: thank you for answering! I am
sure that you would both make fine Tribunes!
Vale!
Diana Moravia Aventina
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:13:54 -0000 |
|
Salve,
> To be as honest as I know how ,I am at a loss for words!!!! The
notice I posted on the main list, on patronage, was FIRST sent ,in
draft form, to the Novaromaeagle staff site at yahoogroups on January
12 message number 30 out of 93 and again in modified form on January
24 message number 62 of 93 . Members of the Eagle staff who also
serve as members of your staff received these posts and said NOT ONE
WORD about them that would indicate that you or your colleague had
any problem with the Eagle paying its way in the world and relying
less on the NR treasury.
>
> The truly mystifying thing, is that BOTH YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUE ,
BOTH CONSULS, ARE ALSO PRIVY TO THIS LIST AND NEITHER OF YOU SAID A
WORD THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO THIS or that if we did it would be vetoed
Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should have an independent
press that is not subject to the political whimsy of various
magistrates and the financial influence of the Senate.
Vale,
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 04:43:43 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>"
<richmal@attbi.com> wrote:
> Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> have an independent
> press that is not subject to the political whimsy of
> various
> magistrates and the financial influence of the
> Senate.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>
Salve,
Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is currenty
liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
"Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible suits,
Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver the
product. As long as that is the situation the Board of
Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates) would be
remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
side of the "Eagle"
If You, or any other citizen wishes to start up a
rival newspaper where you assume the Macronational
Legal Liabilities that Nova Roma Inc has with the
"Eagle" you are free to do so.
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>" <gawne@cesmail.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:17:06 -0000 |
|
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola writes:
> The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves
> a decison that involves a decision that The Senate is at the
> moment discussing.
>
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
I remind you of your oath of office sir. You have chosen to mock
a Consular veto. You knew full well from the subject line that it
was a Consular veto when you did so.
Would you, if arguing before the Supreme Court, make a mockery of
some awkward wording by the Chief Justice? Or make a mockery of
the President of the United States when he is speaking in his
official capacity? Our Consuls are our highest magistrates vested
with Imperium, and you have chosen to mock a Consular veto.
By your oath as Legatus you are sworn to uphold the honor of
Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people
and the Senate of Nova Roma. Your mockery of the Senior Consul
is an insult not only to our republic, but to your word as a
magistrate, and as a Roman citizen.
I deplore you sir.
-- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
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| Subject: |
[Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:27:43 -0000 |
|
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
>
> --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>"
> <richmal@a...> wrote:
>
> > Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> > have an independent
> > press that is not subject to the political whimsy of
> > various
> > magistrates and the financial influence of the
> > Senate.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
> >
> Salve,
> Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is currenty
> liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
> "Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible suits,
> Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
> Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver the
> product. As long as that is the situation the Board of
> Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
> Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates) would be
> remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
> Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
> side of the "Eagle"
I am well aware of that. I think you misunderstood me. This veto
shows that the Eagle is too dependent upon the treasury. The Eagle
should be either breaking even or adding to the treasury not a slow
bleeding there of. Unfortunately, as long as The Eagle remains
virtually solely dependent upon the largesse (such as it is) of the
treasury its existance remains problematic. All it takes is one
article that a magistrate with Imperium doesn't like (ie a historical
article that undermines a political position) and voila one
intercesso later the Eagle is cut off from its source of operating
funds.
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 06:53:28 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>"
<richmal@attbi.com> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius
> Drusus"
> <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>"
> > <richmal@a...> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> > > have an independent
> > > press that is not subject to the political
> whimsy of
> > > various
> > > magistrates and the financial influence of the
> > > Senate.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Q. Cassius Calvus
> > >
> > Salve,
> > Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is
> currenty
> > liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
> > "Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible
> suits,
> > Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
> > Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver
> the
> > product. As long as that is the situation the
> Board of
> > Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
> > Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates)
> would be
> > remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
> > Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
> > side of the "Eagle"
>
> I am well aware of that. I think you misunderstood
> me. This veto
> shows that the Eagle is too dependent upon the
> treasury. The Eagle
> should be either breaking even or adding to the
> treasury not a slow
> bleeding there of. Unfortunately, as long as The
> Eagle remains
> virtually solely dependent upon the largesse (such
> as it is) of the
> treasury its existance remains problematic. All it
> takes is one
> article that a magistrate with Imperium doesn't like
> (ie a historical
> article that undermines a political position) and
> voila one
> intercesso later the Eagle is cut off from its
> source of operating
> funds.
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>
If a magistrate attempted that he would need a
majority of the Tribunes of the Plebs at his beck and
call because that action would be a clear violation of
Section II B 4 of the Constitution.
"The right to participate in all public forums and
discussions, and the right to reasonably expect such
forums to be supported by the State. Such
communications, regardless of their content, may not
be restricted by the State, except where they
represent an imminent and clear danger to the
Republic. Such officially sponsored forums may be
expected to be reasonably moderated in the interests
of maintaining order and civility"
=====
L. Sicinius Drusus
Roman Citizen
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:21:10 -0800 |
|
Avete Q. Cassius et Omnes,
I do not think it would be that easy, for moneys are set aside to the Eagle once a year. That happens to be done at the budgetary hearing which happens around Oct/Nov. every year. I do not think any magistrate would take such drastic action to prevent funds from being sent to the Eagle, but I do view it as a possibility which should be looked into.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:27 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
>
> --- "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@a...>"
> <richmal@a...> wrote:
>
> > Maybe what this teaches is that Nova Roma should
> > have an independent
> > press that is not subject to the political whimsy of
> > various
> > magistrates and the financial influence of the
> > Senate.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
> >
> Salve,
> Nova Roma Inc, a non profit organization is currenty
> liable for any shortfalls in the revenues of the
> "Eagle" and for any legal actions such as lible suits,
> Copyright infringement suits, or violations of
> Consumer protection laws for failure to deliver the
> product. As long as that is the situation the Board of
> Directors of Nova Roma Inc (the Senate) and the
> Officers of the Corporation (The Magistrates) would be
> remiss in thier Macronational legal duties to the
> Corparation if they failed to oversee the Business
> side of the "Eagle"
I am well aware of that. I think you misunderstood me. This veto
shows that the Eagle is too dependent upon the treasury. The Eagle
should be either breaking even or adding to the treasury not a slow
bleeding there of. Unfortunately, as long as The Eagle remains
virtually solely dependent upon the largesse (such as it is) of the
treasury its existance remains problematic. All it takes is one
article that a magistrate with Imperium doesn't like (ie a historical
article that undermines a political position) and voila one
intercesso later the Eagle is cut off from its source of operating
funds.
Q. Cassius Calvus
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| Subject: |
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage" |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:23:59 -0800 |
|
Ave Propraetor,
If you wanted to help your boss help him with his language skills in drafting items of importance like Vetos.
Do not get upset at a citizen voicing satire at the expense of the Consul. This type of thing has happened every year since NR has been founded and will continue long after Consul Fabius is no longer in office.
So instead of putting a citizen down, use your role as a staff member of Consul Fabius and proof his posts before he sends them out to the ML.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail.net>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:17 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Veto of one item in "The Eagle and your Patronage"
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola writes:
> The Senate is at the moment discussing a decision that involves
> a decison that involves a decision that The Senate is at the
> moment discussing.
>
> |
