Subject: [Nova-Roma] Cassii going to Rome!
From: cassius622@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:07:02 EST
Salvete,

I am very pleased, (and a little surprised) to announce that Patricia Cassia
and myself will be travelling to Rome on vacation at the end of this month!
We'll be leaving the US on Feb 28, and will be returning on March 9. :)

We're staying in a hotel right near the Forum, and are planning day trips to
Ostia, Pompeii, etc. This will be our first trip to Rome and I can't wait to
visit the ancient sites, make some surreptitius offerings at some of the
Temples, etc.

If anyone has any trips about travel to Rome, we'd be happy to hear them.
Also, if any of our Italian Citizens would like to meet somewhere, we're up
for it! I can bring NR coins and flags with us if anyone wants any.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:26:43 -0500
Salve I would post a different answer that this but I would be accused of writing about NON-roman topics so I will let this post pass without further comment.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen of Nova Roma and
the other GREAT Republic of human history.

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>From : Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@msn.com>

“Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence. Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off pretty lightly.“
>
>Well said
>
I agree with this and I dislike the modern trned for apolgising for the evil our ancestors did. They did it, saying sorry makes no difference, so did plenty of other people also carry the same evils out, it is almost presumptuous of us to believe we knew better enough to apologise while they did not, so need not.
However, having said all that, what bugs me about Americans is their attitude that they have no skeletons in their cupboard, that they alone have a history of true democracy, tolerance, meritocracy and so on which actually allows them to have a worse history than most of Europe because they cannot see their faults to correct them. If there were ever faults, it was 'then' or 'them' and too much is made of them. Everybody had slavery but only two other nations had the racist legislation which followed it until the mid-sixties: Germany from 1933-45 and South Africa from 1948-93. However different administrations may change and whatever problems they may face there is a certainty that the only way is the American way and everybody else must conform and even if they do not want to, must be '[re-]educated' to do so no matter what the suffering.
It is that refusal to be as others, even making the admission that there have been imperfections into a kind of gloating that they have been cured while others are still cursed with them, that comes across as either arrogant or ignorant exactly as a Victorian gentleman pontificating about the superstition and poverty of India while denouncing Darwin and approving of chimney sweeps sending little boys up chimneys as sound work ethic comes across to us as either a fool or a hypocrite.

V. Ambrosius Caesariensis.

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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] viruses all over the place!
From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:52:21 -0800 (PST)
Salve,
I Have gotten several of them, but since I use Yahoo
mail for my Nova Roman Businrss they were eliminated
by Yahoo's virus scanners before they reached my
mailbox.

Consul, you likely have nothing to worry about.
Allmost all of these viruses are tailored to one of
the security holes in the Windows Operating system and
they have no effect on Macs or Computers running
Linux.

Quirites, the citizens who's names you see in the
header aren't the people who's computer is infected.
There are several viruses around that mail copies of
themselves to people in the address book. Someone who
has Nova Roman Citizens addresses in thier book has an
infection and the virus is forging the headers to make
it look like the viruses is being sent from other
people.

If you are using any flavor of Windows please check
your computer for a virus, and please be careful about
attachments that you open. A Good rule is to NEVER
open an attachment someone sends to if you aren't
expecting it. Even if you scan it for viruses it could
be a new virus that your antiviruses software dosen't
recognize.

--- Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@telia.com> wrote:
> Salve Illustrus Senator!
>
> The same is happening to me now. I hope that I will
> survive as I use
> a Macintosh.
>
> >Ave,
> >
> >I received three today. One from C. Flavius on the
> Nova Roma Laws
> >list. One from Palladius, and one from Scipio
> Apollonius. However,
> >it is my estimation that none of them actually sent
> it. The new
> >virus's are technologically advanced enough to hide
> the true
> >infector.
> >
> >But I must say that this is nothing compared to the
> virus's and spam
> >I received when I was Consul and Censor. I would
> get at least 10 a
> >day when my email address was tagged with the
> generic Nova Roma
> >addresses.
> >
> >Vale,
> >
> >Sulla
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
> Propraetor Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus
> Provincia Thules
> ************************************************
> Cohors Consulis CFQ
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
>
>


=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Oath
From: "James LaSalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:52:49 -0600
Ave

So, am I done with the oath?
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
-----Original Message-----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@telia.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:26 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Officina Iuris et Rei Politicae
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Oath


Salvete Quirites et Illustra Diana Moravia Aventina et Illustrus
Decimus Iunius Silanus!

Illustrus Decimus Iunius Silanus You were the one who pointed out the
problem with the oaths to me. I agree with You that Legati are not
apparitores, indeed they are instead the "extended arm" of the
Governor, who has Imperium, which power he could be said to delegate
a bit of to the Legati. I see the Legati as some kind of Subgovernors.

The apparitores are listed in "LEX VEDIA APPARITORIA"
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-07-30-v.html , they are
Lictores, Lictores Curiati, Scribae and Accensi. So there is no doubt
that these must take the oath described in my edict:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-2003-01-01-iii.html

I define "other more informal "officials" (who) could be required to
swear this oath" as officials at the same "level" or lower than the
apparitores. I don't count the Legati into this category.

>Salvete,
>
>My understanding is that legates should still take the
>original oath. Only scribes and accensi should take
>the new oath, if required to do so by their
>supervising magistrate.
>
>Valete
>
>Decimus Iunius Silanus.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
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Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Cassii going to Rome!
From: "James LaSalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:02:20 -0600
Some key words

Dove=where
me dispichia=I'm sorry
eo fame=I'm tired
eo stanko=I'm hungry
sprigamotchi=get yo' ass in gear
Dove la bibliotech la lege, adesso! =Show me the law library, right now!
va vai incolo=up your ass
eo chicago=I shit on you

These will pretty much get you through any situation

G. Basilicatus Agricola
-----Original Message-----
From: cassius622@aol.com [mailto:cassius622@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 6:07 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Cassii going to Rome!


Salvete,

I am very pleased, (and a little surprised) to announce that Patricia
Cassia
and myself will be travelling to Rome on vacation at the end of this
month!
We'll be leaving the US on Feb 28, and will be returning on March 9. :)

We're staying in a hotel right near the Forum, and are planning day trips
to
Ostia, Pompeii, etc. This will be our first trip to Rome and I can't wait
to
visit the ancient sites, make some surreptitius offerings at some of the
Temples, etc.

If anyone has any trips about travel to Rome, we'd be happy to hear them.
Also, if any of our Italian Citizens would like to meet somewhere, we're
up
for it! I can bring NR coins and flags with us if anyone wants any.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


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Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Novaroma largesse
From: "James LaSalle" <jlasalle@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:03:35 -0600
werd
GB Agricola
-----Original Message-----
From: Gaius Galerius Peregrinator [mailto:gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:09 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Novaroma largesse




Salvete omnes:

I cannot resist answering to so many ideas ranging from grandiose land
purchase ideas to scholarships and charities etc.. How are we going to do
all that if we don't even have enough money to publish a simple
newsletter,
and that doesn't require much, just plain xerox and mailing cost (for 55
subscribers).

Furthermore, the Album Gentium supposedly contains 1600 citizens?
don't
count on it. Think 200/300 at the most, and of these not everyone has the
means and time to go around spreading largesse.

Proof of citizenship has the color green, and a one time adrenaline
burst doesn't count either. Let's get the cart (and that's committed
citizenry) before getting the horse, and remember that a horse has to be
fed
and that cost money too.

I believe it when I see it.


Gaius Galerius Peregrinator.

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cassii going to Rome!
From: "quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 01:05:45 -0000
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, cassius622@a... wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I am very pleased, (and a little surprised) to announce that
Patricia Cassia
> and myself will be travelling to Rome on vacation at the end of
this month!
> We'll be leaving the US on Feb 28, and will be returning on March
9. :)
>

Congratulations. I've been to Rome twice and Pompeii twice as well.

Rule #1, traffic is a nightmare. The only right of way pedestrians
have is the right to get out of the way even if on the sidewalk!
This is even more true in the city of Napoli. When you go to
Pompeii, you'll see what I mean. <G>

Rule #2, keep your camera in hand/pocket at all times.

Rule #3, Keep passport/visas/money/wallet, ect in your front pockets
at all times. Backpacks are not safe from those that want your stuff
more than you do.

Rule #4, Train passes are the best value. Unlike the US, you can get
pretty much anywhere in western Europe by train.

Rule 4a, Italian trains NEVER run on schedule.

Rule #5, The Poliza (police) and Caribinari (national paramilitary
security force) are better armed than the Crips and the Bloods going
into a turf battle. If stopped by one of them make no moves that
could be interpeted as hostile. Most likely they won't ever bother
you except for your own safety.

Rule #6, Stick with bottled spring water. While the tap water is
generally safe its not the most pleasant of tasting.

Rule #7, Money exchange. Stick to official places of money exchange
such as banks. There is usually a small fee for the transaction.
Banks tend to be the lower fee rates and have the latest exhange
rates. Hotels tend to charge higher and the rates aren't always the
most current.

Rule #8 To my knowledge no pagan has instantly incinerated upon
entering St. Peter's Square. <G> Make a day of the Vatican and take
a tour of the various sites of catacombs (unless you are
claustrophobic, then I'd skip the catacombs).

This time of year Rome and Italy in general tends to be a little
rainy and on the cool side. Think late September-October in New
England.

A few magic words and phrases in Italian:

piacere - please
grazie - thank you
buongiorno - good morning
buonasera - good evening
si - yes
non - no

Toilets in smaller restaurants and bars tend to be unisex. A good
idea to knock first, just in case a lady (or in Patricia's case) a
gentlemen is already inside taking care of his/her business.
Speaking of bars and restaurants, it has been since 1988 since I was
there, but I don't remember that Italians having invented the "non-
smoking section."

Safety is pretty much a matter of common sense. If you don't feel
comfortable with a situation, listen to that little voice in your
head.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus








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Subject: [Nova-Roma] wonderful appointments
From: "Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 02:24:55 +0100
Fr. Apulus Caesar Equitio Marino et Sempronia Magna S.P.D.

My personal congratulations to my lovely friends Illustrus Gnaeus Equitius
Marinus and Illustra Julilla Sempronia Magna.
Marinus is my colleaugue as Curule Aedile and we're working togheter as hard
as excellent. He's a very very good citizens and I'm sure he'll know well
how administrate the Provincia.
Julilla is so lovely ... how many chats .. :-) .. and she's my teacher of
english. Withou jokes, she's a skilled citizena dn I know her from many time
as web designer and as colleague.

So, I thing we have new great and optimi propraetores.

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Accensus Consulis Quintilianis
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Cohors Aedilis F. Apulus Caesar - http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Academia Italica - http://italia.novaroma.org/academiaitalica
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:46:46 -0500


EDICTVM CVRATORIS DIFFERUM
The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
E Domo Curatoris Differum Aurelia Iulia Pulchra
is hereby appointed Scriba Curatoris Differum effective Today the
7th of Februarius MMDCCLVI auc 7 February 2003.
In the consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
and Titus Labienus Fortunatus
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Curator



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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: wonderful appointments
From: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 02:00:41 -0000
Franciscus Apulus Caesar writes:

> My personal congratulations to my lovely friends Illustrus Gnaeus
> Equitius Marinus and Illustra Julilla Sempronia Magna.

Thank you Ceasar, mi amici.

With friends and colleagues like you, I have a fine example of
how to proceed in my governorship. Nova Roma is blessed with a
wealth of good provincial governors, and I hope to live up to
the high standards that others, such as yourself, have already
set.

-- Marinus


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Congratulations, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus!
From: Joanne Shaver <merlinia@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 22:06:06 -0500
Salvete, G.E.Marinus, et al! Merlinia Ambrosia here.

I am pleased that we in Medatlantica have a worthy Propraetor at last.
Good Fortune, Health, and Luck dog your steps!

-M.


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Congratulations, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus!
From: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 03:24:32 -0000
Merlinia Ambrosia writes:

> I am pleased that we in Medatlantica have a worthy Propraetor
> at last.
> Good Fortune, Health, and Luck dog your steps!

Thank you Merlina. I'm already enjoying good fortune, with a
legate such as yourself to help me.

-- Marinus


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: wonderful appointments
From: "Julilla Sempronia Magna <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>" <curatrix@villaivlilla.com>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 04:23:16 -0000
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<equitius_marinus@y...>" <equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar writes:
>
> > My personal congratulations to my lovely friends Illustrus Gnaeus
> > Equitius Marinus and Illustra Julilla Sempronia Magna.
>
> Thank you Ceasar, mi amici.
>
> With friends and colleagues like you, I have a fine example of
> how to proceed in my governorship. Nova Roma is blessed with a
> wealth of good provincial governors, and I hope to live up to
> the high standards that others, such as yourself, have already
> set.
>
> -- Marinus

... what Gnaeus said goes double for me. Gratias, Francisce, for your
energy, talent, and for your good example I am forever grateful. Now
what was that secret handshake you were supposed to teach us? ;-)

Julilla Sempronia Magna


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] viruses from 'octavius'
From: Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:38:58 -0500
Salvete -

On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 04:11:19PM -0500, Spurius Postumius Tubertus
wrote:
> Sp. Postumius Dianiae Moraviae Aventinae Quiritibusque S.P.D.
>
> Salvete,
>
> Diana, thank you for bringing this up. In the past 24 hrs I've
> recieved three of these such files. When looking at the addresses from
> the senders, they are all the addresses of NR citizens who have either
> contacted me or I have contacted on an occasion. So far, I've recieved
> them at two different e-mail accounts. For the sake of maintaining the
> dignitas of the various citizens whose addresses have appeared, I'll
> not list them here; rather, I'll mail them all privately.
>
> If anyone else is having this problem, please make notice of it.
> Sometimes, that can help track the originator, if we search for one.

Note: most of the modern viruses cannot be tracked this way; they grab
two random addresses from an addressbook, and send the mail to one while
using the other for the "From" line. The only way to actually figure out
where the mail came from is by reading the email headers - which can be
difficult unless you know what you're looking at and have specific tools
("whois", for one) on hand.


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Mens agitat molem.
The mind moves the matter.
-- Vergil, "Aenis"

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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Results from the Senate Vote
From: Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:30:58 -0500
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 12:50:45PM -0000, rexmarciusnr <RexMarcius@aol.com> wrote:
>
> III.II. [passed 11 in favour ? 0 opposed]
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus as Propraetor of America Mediatlantica

Congratulations, Marinus amice! I'm delighted to see your abilities and
your service to Nova Roma recognized in this way, and wish you the best
of luck in this office.


Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Audentes fortuna iuvat.
Fortune favours the brave.
-- Vergil, "Aenis"

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] EDICTVM PRAETORICIVM DE SCRIBAE DESIGNATIONE
From: "deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 06:47:44 -0000
Ex officio praetoris

EDICTVM PRAETORICIVM DE SCRIBAE DESIGNATIONE

In accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma, I, Decius Iunius
Palladius Invictus, praetor, appoint the following citizens as
Scribae, with the duty to aid the praetores in the moderation of the
main list of Nova Roma and to assist with legal research and other
duties as needed:

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Renata Corva
Publius Tarquitius Rufus

The following citizen is appointed scriba for legal research:

Quintus Fabius Maximus


Datum a.d. VII Idus Februarii anno MMDCCLVI A.V.C.

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Praetor


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] No topic is off-topic; some language is unacceptable however
From: "deciusiunius <bcatfd@together.net>" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 07:30:22 -0000

Salvete Cives,

There has been much discussion in recent days about the amount of
bandwidth being expended on non-Roman topics, to the point of
citizens scolding other citizens for discussing macronational
affairs. Several citizens have pointed out, however, that as a real
community we must have the freedom to discuss a wide range of topics,
not just those that pertain to Rome. This helps us get to know each
other better if it is done RESPECTFULLY and with the intention of an
honest exchange of ideas. Please keep that in mind before you post.

That being said, while any topic is acceptable to discuss in this
forum, the main focus of this list remains Rome, Antiqua and Nova.
Forays into other areas can be enlightening and fun, but we should
return to Rome after a time.

As a seemingly inevitable war approaches, I realize it will be more
and more difficult to remain focused on Rome; feelings will be
strong, even bitter. It may be a trying time for Nova Roma. Just
remember our common bond as Nova Romans is what unites us. Think
before every post; if your potential post may exacerbate feelings
among your fellow citizens, think twice before sending it. Never
reply in anger. If you are angry, wait until the next day and you
have some perspective, before you reply.

A final point: while we can discuss a wide range of topics in this
forum, the use of vulgarity remains UNACCEPTABLE on this list.


Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Praetor


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Results from the Senate Vote
From: "rabotnik@ <rabotnik@wp.pl>" <rabotnik@wp.pl>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 12:59:32 -0000

> > > III.I. [passed 11 in favour - 0 opposed]
> > > Julilla Sempronia Magna as Propraetor of America
> Boreoccidentalis,

Salve!

Take my congratulations and best wishes

Vale!

Petrus Domitianus


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Topics
From: "Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@yahoo.es>" <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 13:16:36 -0000
Salvete Quirites; et salve, M. Minuci Audens.

<<snipped>>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:

<<snipped>>

> The various specific lists in NR seek to contain thier specialty
> discussions such as military, law, etc. within thier individual
> lists, while the poltical arguments are for the most part contained
> within this Main List. I would respectfully suggest that we try to
> contain off-topics--off-list.
>
> The final decision about the content of material, and the attitudes
> expressed here are in the hands of the Praetors, of course, and I
> bow to thier determination when expressed. However, I would remark
> that new members looking for Roman data both in general, and in
> specific interests, and enduring an extended personal set of
> political views or a rehashing of a modern tradgedy, might well be
> moved to conclude that they have come to the wrong place. My
> interest is in not sending the wrong message, as we have lost many
> citizens as the Census will undoubtedly reveal. In all liklihood
> we will never know the real reason for such departures, and we will
> be forced to review the various current activity of our
> institutions to find a better way to retain our declared Citizens
> who come to us to learn about Rome.

I would like to add a few words to Senator Audens's comments.

This list is for you to use, citizens. *You* are the ones who decide
its contents. That is what free speech is for. If you want to express
your thoughts and impressions, it is your right to do so.

Bear in mind, though, that this list is received by many, many other
citizens all around the world. Write whatever you want; but keep them
in mind when you write. Think about what kind of messages you would
like to see here. Think about the things *you* find interesting and
share them with us all. Behave in exactly the same way in which you
would like *others* to behave. That is the best use one can make of
his own Freedom of Speech.

CNSALIXASTVRTFANEPTRIBOVF
PRAETOR


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Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Oath
From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 15:14:54 +0100
Salve Senior Consul,
Salvete citizens,

For the record, I don't really care too much about which oath is said by
whom :-p It is just that I am trying to learn as much as possible and when
something isn't clear to me, I ask.

<The apparitores are listed in "LEX VEDIA APPARITORIA"
<http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-07-30-v.html , they are
<Lictores, Lictores Curiati, Scribae and Accensi.
<I see the Legati as some kind of Subgovernors.

I did notice that the legati were not listed above when I wrote my previous
email. The Consules, Senators, Praetores, Tribunes and provincial Governors
cannot simply be removed/dismissed from one moment to the next. I believe a
formal hearing needs to take place first (if I am wrong, someone feel free
to correct me). A legate can be very simply unilaterally dismissed by his
governor, the same as the appointees mentioned in the above lex can be
unilaterally dismissed by the appointing magistrate. This really puts a
legate in the category of 'assistant', even if legate is not listed in the
above-mentioned lex.

In my opinion, I think that is how we should decide who takes what oath: If
a person can be unilaterally removed by his superior, then he should take
the Oath of Apparitores. The elected officials (which includes the
Governors, who are 'elected' by the Senate) should take 'magistrates' oath.

valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina




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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Black Griffon Inn Hotel
From: Joanne Shaver <merlinia@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 09:49:08 -0500
Salvete!
I know a number of you have gotten reservations at the Clarion for
BGI.
The info to get us all in the same area didn't get to Kara in the
sales Dept.
Therefor, to make it easier, Please Email her with your Conformation #
at her address-
ksofield@clarionedison.com

Thank you for your Time. See you there!
-M.


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
From: Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@callahans.org>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 09:46:50 -0500
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 09:40:44PM +0000, me-in-@disguise.co.uk wrote:
> >
> I agree with this and I dislike the modern trned for apolgising for
> the evil our ancestors did.

Oh, I doubt that it's a modern trend. I suspect that guilt is a control
mechanism that's been used ever since Og and Thog developed enough
linguistic ability and complexity to do so; it's cheap to use, and the
"benefits" to the guilt-thrower can be very large. The modern trend, if
any, consists of a large group of people deciding to buy into that
guilt. Perhaps that's not all that modern either, but it's not a
behavior typical of people who have to fight for survival every day of
their lives.

> However, having said
> all that, what bugs me about Americans is their attitude that they
> have no skeletons in their cupboard,

Errr... would you mind specifying _which_ Americans? A mass condemnation
like that is flat out wrong; it would be nice to know exactly whom you
mean.

> that they alone have a history of
> true democracy, tolerance, meritocracy and so on which actually allows
> them to have a worse history than most of Europe because they cannot
> see their faults to correct them. If there were ever faults, it was
> 'then' or 'them' and too much is made of them. Everybody had slavery
> but only two other nations had the racist legislation which followed
> it until the mid-sixties: Germany from 1933-45 and South Africa from
> 1948-93.

A number of countries still have actual slavery, the real article,
without any legislation. Are you saying that this is somehow better?
It's possible to change a written law - witness the example of America
in this; an unwritten one is all but impossible.

As well, are you saying that if another country's racist legislation was
repealed five or ten years before the US, this puts them on some
unassailable moral high ground? I suggest you rethink that one.

> However different administrations may change and whatever
> problems they may face there is a certainty that the only way is the
> American way and everybody else must conform and even if they do not
> want to, must be '[re-]educated' to do so no matter what the
> suffering.

Really? You must be entirely ignorant of actual life in America, then. I
have many friends who are, generally speaking, out on the fringes of
society - some of them quite radical. No one has tried to "re-educate"
them "no matter what the suffering"; I know what the term implies and
means from growing up in Russia. I suggest that you learn the truth
before making this kind of statements.

> It is that refusal to be as others,

Excuse me? Why should anyone change "to be as others"? Are you saying
that everyone is supposed to be alike, stamped from some social mold?
Talk about re-education...


Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Tamdiu discendum est, quamdiu vivas.
We should learn as long as we may live. (We live and learn.)
-- Seneca Philosophus, "Epistulae"

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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman Topics
From: aneaapollonia@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:43:27 EST
In a message dated 2/7/2003 5:29:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jmath669642reng@webtv.net writes:


> My view is that this list is one for ancient Roman Topics. If you wish
> to discuss the current weather or the latest tragedy with particular
> friends, there is always private mail. However, when you post off-topic
> you post to something less than 1600+ citizens who have joined NR for the
> Roman experience.

Salvete,
Perhaps others joined for this reason as well, but I am a part of this list
in the interest of a living Rome. While history is interesting and relevant,
its not the only thing I ever want to discuss. I like this list just the way
it is.

Valete,
I.A.A.Musa


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Slavery, Europe, USA and "Columbia" (on topic)
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 17:32:16 +0100
Salvete Quirites!

I have seen a discussion about slavery and if Europe is better than
America under the subject of "Columbia".

I love my country (Sweden) and I think that Europe is mostly a nice
continent. I have never been to USA, but hope to visit somewhere in
the not so far future and I am sure that I will meet mostly nice
people. Nice people doesn't mean people who share the details in my
political conviction, but _nice_ people to me are those who enjoy to
meet and share points of views in a lot of issues without getting
antagonistic.

Sadly enough we can't find any place on the Earth where there is only
happyness. But it really worries me that we have an increasing amount
of Sex-slavery in Europe, mostly steeming from Eastern Europe. This
is very much discussed in Sweden where many wanted to believe that
these problem where only present in other countries, for example
Thailand (where Swedish and other European men go to abuse women and
children sexually). There is a movie director in Sweden, who name is
Moodyson and he has made a film "Lilja, forever" that is about a
Russian girl who is abducted from her "home" in Russia and taken to
Sweden to live in Sex-slavery until she kills herself (it is based on
a true story). I think that many Swedes after seeing this film (it
won the Swedish equivalent of the Oscar) have realised that there are
such terrible problems even in their own beloved country. This is the
truth about this world that we live in, it isn't perfect. Even Nova
Roma isn't perfect, but we may contribute some good ideas and changes
to the world if we work together.

I don't like the fight of Americans against Europeans or vice versa,
that we can see now and then on this list. We are in this together
and need each other. Instead of looking for faults in other
continents and countries I think that the differences should be used
to the advantage of, at least, the whole of Nova Roma. ;-)
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Results from the Senate Vote
From: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 16:49:43 -0000
Caius Minucius Scaevola writes:

> Congratulations, Marinus amice! I'm delighted to see your abilities
> and your service to Nova Roma recognized in this way, and wish you
> the best of luck in this office.

You're most kindly welcome. As I mentioned over in the mediatlantica
mailing list, no governor governs alone. I'll be looking to you and
many others for help in getting things done.

How're things down there in the balmy reaches of Florida? And
when do you think you'll be sailing back this way?

-- Marinus


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cassii going to Rome!
From: "Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:59:52 +0100
Fr. Apulus Caesar Q. Cassio Calvo et Guests in Italy S.P.D.

What a tragical suggestions!
How many far you're went in Italy? Several things are changed and you
describe Rome like a "impossible" city. Maybe youy have to see cities like
Athen or the spanish. :-)
Of course we live in a different way from the american or the north-european
style. We're more chaotic and we have personal easy and wonderfulidea of the
daily life ;-)
Please, take my little corrections.

> Rule #1, traffic is a nightmare. The only right of way pedestrians
> have is the right to get out of the way even if on the sidewalk!

The advice is not have a car in special hours of the day like the early
morning and the late afternoon. They're hours for "workers". The underground
is little but it runs, maybe the pullmans are better. When you take a taxi,
ask the price and try to have one more economic.

> This is even more true in the city of Napoli. When you go to
> Pompeii, you'll see what I mean. <G>

Yes, Napoli is more chaotic and teh idea is right. BTW you need only a bit
of attenction and after a couple of day you'll understand how you have to do
;-)

> Rule #2, keep your camera in hand/pocket at all times.

Keep you camera in teh pocket only in the underground or pullmans or trams
or in place with too people. This rule is right for each big city in the
world!!!

> Rule #3, Keep passport/visas/money/wallet, ect in your front pockets
> at all times. Backpacks are not safe from those that want your stuff
> more than you do.

You don't need to have the passport in everytime., leave it in hotel. If you
have visa card, take few money (100 euro).

> Rule #4, Train passes are the best value. Unlike the US, you can get
> pretty much anywhere in western Europe by train.

Yes, from Rome you can go to everyplace in Europe.

> Rule 4a, Italian trains NEVER run on schedule.

I don't agree! Some times the trains have a delay, but not even.
Keep attenction, if you take the Eurostar (the speeder train) you have to do
the reservation. If you travel during the night sleeping, keep attenction to
your bags.

> Rule #5, The Poliza (police) and Caribinari (national paramilitary
> security force) are better armed than the Crips and the Bloods going
> into a turf battle. If stopped by one of them make no moves that
> could be interpeted as hostile. Most likely they won't ever bother
> you except for your own safety.

It's not true. Polizia and CARABINIERI are not violent. I have seen the
american, french and german polices and I can say the italian security
forces are boy-scouts!
Yes, they are armed but don't worry, they don't use teh weapons against the
good citizens or tourist moving (who are they? german S.S.?) You'll see
italian polices are most comprensible and easy that the american and
others!!!
If you have a problem, search a car of Carabinieri (I thing they are better
than Police [in italian Polizia]), they'll try to help in any way.

> Rule #6, Stick with bottled spring water. While the tap water is
> generally safe its not the most pleasant of tasting.

A recent poll have said the tap water of Rome is the better in Europe for
safety and taste.

> Rule #7, Money exchange. Stick to official places of money exchange
> such as banks. There is usually a small fee for the transaction.
> Banks tend to be the lower fee rates and have the latest exhange
> rates. Hotels tend to charge higher and the rates aren't always the
> most current.

I agree.

> Rule #8 To my knowledge no pagan has instantly incinerated upon
> entering St. Peter's Square. <G> Make a day of the Vatican and take
> a tour of the various sites of catacombs (unless you are
> claustrophobic, then I'd skip the catacombs).

I agree.
If you go in Napoli, search the "Napoli sottoranea". It's the "underground
Naples", a very big structure of caves build by Romans under the city.

> This time of year Rome and Italy in general tends to be a little
> rainy and on the cool side. Think late September-October in New
> England.

January and February are not the best months to visit Rome and Naples. Now
we have 2-3 C and a rain weather. However in the early March you can feel
the arrival of the Spring (the best period to visit the Italy) and you can
have wonderful day of sun.

> A few magic words and phrases in Italian:
>
> piacere - please

per piacere = please

> grazie - thank you
> buongiorno - good morning
> buonasera - good evening
> si - yes
> non - no
no = no

hallo/hi = ciao
sorry = mi scusi / scusa

> Toilets in smaller restaurants and bars tend to be unisex.

Keep attenction, some bar ask money to use the toilets.

> A good
> idea to knock first, just in case a lady (or in Patricia's case) a
> gentlemen is already inside taking care of his/her business.
> Speaking of bars and restaurants, it has been since 1988 since I was
> there,

I understand why you have this ideas about Rome...

> but I don't remember that Italians having invented the "non-
> smoking section."

Yes, there are, now we have hard laws against the smoke.
No smoking = Vietato fumare

So, Rome and Naples aren't so tragical, they are most funny and wonderful.
I'm sure you'll have a exciting trip and you'll would like to come back.
If you need help, please contact me or another italian nova roman.

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
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Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Accensus Consulis Quintilianis
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] warning
From: "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 17:53:02 -0000
Salvete

Unfortunately, today at my yahoo account I received an email whose
address was postumious@novaroma.org . The text said : "This is a
funny game. You are the first" . I'm sure it contains a virus,
however my antivirus hasn't found anything. The size of the mail was
aprox. 271k .

Valete

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus



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Subject: [Nova-Roma] wonderful appointments
From: gens.minius@club-internet.fr
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 19:21:14 CET
Dear friends,

Our more cordial congratulations for your success to both. The Gens Minia is very happy for your election and his more sincere friendship ensures you. Good luck with Illustrus Gnaeus Equitius Marinus and Illustrated Julilla Sempronia Magna for your divine work. How the gods help you!!!

>From the Gens Minia very whole.




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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] warning
From: "Spurius Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@gmx.net>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 15:15:04 -0500
Salve,

Thank you Octaviane. What is almost funny about this is that I got the same email from the same address (therefore, technically,
making it from myself to myself) at one of my other addresses.

For the record, to all who may be reading this, I won't be sending any personal e-mails from now until I'm sure this virus has been
assassinated in some way, so until I say otherwise, it would be pretty safe to delete anything with a sender of "postumius @
novaroma.org", "postumius @ gmx.net", or "socraticquestion @ netscape.net"

For those of you who have recieved one of these viruses from an address of mine, I apologize. If anyone has any ideas about getting
rid of this virus, please share them with us!

Vale,

Sp. Postumius L.f. A.n. Tubertus

Retiarius, Scriba, Citizen, Accensus


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cassii going to Rome!
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?William=20Cornett=20Polanco?= <sxtus_iulius_serranus@yahoo.es>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 19:39:06 +0100 (CET)

Ave Apulus!

I think it brilliant you stand up and defend your city!! Crime is everywhere! All big cities are the same. By the way, I had a great crime-free time when I was in Rome years ago.

Sextus Iulius Serranus
Franciscus Apulus Caesar <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it> wrote:Fr. Apulus Caesar Q. Cassio Calvo et Guests in Italy S.P.D.

What a tragical suggestions!
How many far you're went in Italy? Several things are changed and you
describe Rome like a "impossible" city. Maybe youy have to see cities like
Athen or the spanish. :-)
Of course we live in a different way from the american or the north-european
style. We're more chaotic and we have personal easy and wonderfulidea of the
daily life ;-)
Please, take my little corrections.

> Rule #1, traffic is a nightmare. The only right of way pedestrians
> have is the right to get out of the way even if on the sidewalk!

The advice is not have a car in special hours of the day like the early
morning and the late afternoon. They're hours for "workers". The underground
is little but it runs, maybe the pullmans are better. When you take a taxi,
ask the price and try to have one more economic.

> This is even more true in the city of Napoli. When you go to
> Pompeii, you'll see what I mean. <G>

Yes, Napoli is more chaotic and teh idea is right. BTW you need only a bit
of attenction and after a couple of day you'll understand how you have to do
;-)

> Rule #2, keep your camera in hand/pocket at all times.

Keep you camera in teh pocket only in the underground or pullmans or trams
or in place with too people. This rule is right for each big city in the
world!!!

> Rule #3, Keep passport/visas/money/wallet, ect in your front pockets
> at all times. Backpacks are not safe from those that want your stuff
> more than you do.

You don't need to have the passport in everytime., leave it in hotel. If you
have visa card, take few money (100 euro).

> Rule #4, Train passes are the best value. Unlike the US, you can get
> pretty much anywhere in western Europe by train.

Yes, from Rome you can go to everyplace in Europe.

> Rule 4a, Italian trains NEVER run on schedule.

I don't agree! Some times the trains have a delay, but not even.
Keep attenction, if you take the Eurostar (the speeder train) you have to do
the reservation. If you travel during the night sleeping, keep attenction to
your bags.

> Rule #5, The Poliza (police) and Caribinari (national paramilitary
> security force) are better armed than the Crips and the Bloods going
> into a turf battle. If stopped by one of them make no moves that
> could be interpeted as hostile. Most likely they won't ever bother
> you except for your own safety.

It's not true. Polizia and CARABINIERI are not violent. I have seen the
american, french and german polices and I can say the italian security
forces are boy-scouts!
Yes, they are armed but don't worry, they don't use teh weapons against the
good citizens or tourist moving (who are they? german S.S.?) You'll see
italian polices are most comprensible and easy that the american and
others!!!
If you have a problem, search a car of Carabinieri (I thing they are better
than Police [in italian Polizia]), they'll try to help in any way.

> Rule #6, Stick with bottled spring water. While the tap water is
> generally safe its not the most pleasant of tasting.

A recent poll have said the tap water of Rome is the better in Europe for
safety and taste.

> Rule #7, Money exchange. Stick to official places of money exchange
> such as banks. There is usually a small fee for the transaction.
> Banks tend to be the lower fee rates and have the latest exhange
> rates. Hotels tend to charge higher and the rates aren't always the
> most current.

I agree.

> Rule #8 To my knowledge no pagan has instantly incinerated upon
> entering St. Peter's Square. <G> Make a day of the Vatican and take
> a tour of the various sites of catacombs (unless you are
> claustrophobic, then I'd skip the catacombs).

I agree.
If you go in Napoli, search the "Napoli sottoranea". It's the "underground
Naples", a very big structure of caves build by Romans under the city.

> This time of year Rome and Italy in general tends to be a little
> rainy and on the cool side. Think late September-October in New
> England.

January and February are not the best months to visit Rome and Naples. Now
we have 2-3 C and a rain weather. However in the early March you can feel
the arrival of the Spring (the best period to visit the Italy) and you can
have wonderful day of sun.

> A few magic words and phrases in Italian:
>
> piacere - please

per piacere = please

> grazie - thank you
> buongiorno - good morning
> buonasera - good evening
> si - yes
> non - no
no = no

hallo/hi = ciao
sorry = mi scusi / scusa

> Toilets in smaller restaurants and bars tend to be unisex.

Keep attenction, some bar ask money to use the toilets.

> A good
> idea to knock first, just in case a lady (or in Patricia's case) a
> gentlemen is already inside taking care of his/her business.
> Speaking of bars and restaurants, it has been since 1988 since I was
> there,

I understand why you have this ideas about Rome...

> but I don't remember that Italians having invented the "non-
> smoking section."

Yes, there are, now we have hard laws against the smoke.
No smoking = Vietato fumare

So, Rome and Naples aren't so tragical, they are most funny and wonderful.
I'm sure you'll have a exciting trip and you'll would like to come back.
If you need help, please contact me or another italian nova roman.

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Apollonia Acta -- Weekly Roman News and Archeology
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:16:04 -0800 (PST)
Salvete!!

Time for some news at:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/

Come and enjoy..

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Scheduled Event for Nova Britannia 9 February 2003
From: "Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@shinjikun.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 15:31:30 -0500
Salvete!

Just a reminder, there will be a Nova Britannia get-together tomorrow,
Sunday February 9th at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts (www.mfa.org).

Title: GALLERY TALK - Portraits of the Ancient World
Date: Sunday, February 9, 2003
Time: 2 p.m.
Calendar: Talks, Courses, and Lectures
By: Heather Cotter
Meet at the Sharf Information Center.

I would like to meet at the Sharf Information Center inside the MFA at
1:00-1:30 pm. This will give everyone time to get organized and
acquainted prior to the start of the tour. Admission is $15.00 for
adults, $13.00 for seniors and college students, and youths (7-17)
admitted free (on Sundays). If you need directions, they are available
at: http://www.mfa.org/visit/directions.htm After the gallery talk we
can always check out other portions of the Museum or grab something to
eat time permitting.

Thanks, and I hope to see you all there!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero



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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: wonderful appointments
From: "Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>" <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 20:34:08 -0000
Salvete,

much congratulations from Gallia to the new appointed
governors!! A much deserved appointments.

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<equitius_marinus@y...>" <equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar writes:
>
> > My personal congratulations to my lovely friends
Illustrus Gnaeus
> > Equitius Marinus and Illustra Julilla Sempronia Magna.
>
> Thank you Ceasar, mi amici.
>
> With friends and colleagues like you, I have a fine example
of
> how to proceed in my governorship. Nova Roma is blessed
with a
> wealth of good provincial governors, and I hope to live up to
> the high standards that others, such as yourself, have
already
> set.
>
> -- Marinus


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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Results from the Senate Vote
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:23:20 +0100
Salvete Illustrus Gnaeus Equitius Marinus and Illustra Julilla Sempronia Magna!

I am very glad to congratulate You two to your postions as Governors!
I must also congratulate the citizens in your two Provinciae as both
Provincia have got a very competent and intelligent Governor!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cassii going to Rome!
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:37:04 +0100
Salvete Illustra Patricia Cassia et Illustrus Marcus Cassius Julianus!

I wish You the best on your trip to Rome! I am sure You will have a
good time. I hope that there will be some Italian citizens meeting
You!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Governors' List?
From: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 22:41:56 -0000
I just checked the 72 different Nova Roma related Yahoo mailing
lists, and none of them seem to be what I was looking for. So
my next step is to ask here in the forum, though the question is
really only for my fellow provincial governors.

How many provincial governors would be interested in having a
separate list where we can discuss the business of provincial
government? Share the wealth of our collective experience?
Warn one another about potential pitfalls?

If you're a provincial governor, and you'd be interested in this,
please let me know. I think it'd be a good idea to share our
collective knowledge.

-- Marinus


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Governors' List?
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:10:04 +0100
Salve Amice!

There are actually _two_ lists! ;-)

One for Governors, the Colloquim Provincia list at
<ColloquimProvincia@yahoogroups.com>

Then there is the Limes Project at
http://www.diocletian.de/lc/index.htm the list is
<NovaRomaProv@yahoogroups.com> here all provincial officials are
members.

>I just checked the 72 different Nova Roma related Yahoo mailing
>lists, and none of them seem to be what I was looking for. So
>my next step is to ask here in the forum, though the question is
>really only for my fellow provincial governors.
>
>How many provincial governors would be interested in having a
>separate list where we can discuss the business of provincial
>government? Share the wealth of our collective experience?
>Warn one another about potential pitfalls?
>
>If you're a provincial governor, and you'd be interested in this,
>please let me know. I think it'd be a good idea to share our
>collective knowledge.
>
>-- Marinus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Governors' List?
From: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 23:22:31 -0000
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus writes:

> Salve Amice!
>
> There are actually _two_ lists! ;-)
>
> One for Governors, the Colloquim Provincia list at
> <ColloquimProvincia@yahoogroups.com>

I tried going to that list, and it's quite forbidding. There's
no option for non-members to join. Could you get whoever the
group owner is to send me (and Julilla) an invitation?

> Then there is the Limes Project at
> http://www.diocletian.de/lc/index.htm the list is
> <NovaRomaProv@yahoogroups.com> here all provincial officials are
> members.

I just joined that one. Thank you.

I think we need to have a standard "package" of information that
each new governor gets from the Senate upon appointment, including
useful little tidbits like this knowledge. Those who come after
me may not have the benefit of an eagle-eyed Quintilianus to help
them.

-- Marinus


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Governors' List?
From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 15:23:46 -0800 (PST)
The list you were looking for is the
ColloquimProvincia.
It is a closed list and it's owner is Lucius Mauricius
Procopious. Since it has been rather hard to contact
him, and no new members can be added without him a new
list may be needed.

Since the Propraetors and Proconsuls serve at the
pleasure of the Senate it would probelly be best to
have some of the Senators as the co-owners of the new
governors list so that this problem dosen't happen
again.

--- "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>"
<equitius_marinus@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I just checked the 72 different Nova Roma related
> Yahoo mailing
> lists, and none of them seem to be what I was
> looking for. So
> my next step is to ask here in the forum, though the
> question is
> really only for my fellow provincial governors.
>
> How many provincial governors would be interested in
> having a
> separate list where we can discuss the business of
> provincial
> government? Share the wealth of our collective
> experience?
> Warn one another about potential pitfalls?
>
> If you're a provincial governor, and you'd be
> interested in this,
> please let me know. I think it'd be a good idea to
> share our
> collective knowledge.
>
> -- Marinus
>
>


=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] FW: [ReligioRomana] Cassii going to Rome!
From: "Christine Schofield" <pompeii@tiscali.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:51:06 -0000
Salve,

You will have a wonderful time in Rome. I was there last September and
enjoyed every minute.

Yes, you do have to be careful, especially on public transport, but we
didn't experience any mishaps. Rome is no worse for crime than any other
large city.

Your biggest problem will be that there will just not be enough time to
do everything you would like!

Vale

Gaia Flavia Aureliana


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Subject: [ReligioRomana] Cassii going to Rome!


Salvete,

I am very pleased, (and a little surprised) to announce that Patricia
Cassia and myself will be travelling to Rome on vacation at the end of
this month! We'll be leaving the US on Feb 28, and will be returning on
March 9. :)

We're staying in a hotel right near the Forum, and are planning day
trips to Ostia, Pompeii, etc. This will be our first trip to Rome and I
can't wait to visit the ancient sites, make some surreptitius offerings
at some of the Temples, etc.

If anyone has any trips about travel to Rome, we'd be happy to hear
them. Also, if any of our Italian Citizens would like to meet somewhere,
we're up for it! I can bring NR coins and flags with us if anyone wants
any.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Governors' List?
From: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>" <equitius_marinus@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 23:58:59 -0000
L. Sicinius Drusus writes:

> The list you were looking for is the ColloquimProvincia.

Thank you Drusus. I appreciate the quick response
(hard on the heels of Caeso Fabius' response, in fact.)

> It is a closed list and it's owner is Lucius Mauricius
> Procopious. Since it has been rather hard to contact
> him, and no new members can be added without him a new
> list may be needed.

There is the second list mentioned by CFQ in his earlier
message. I've applied to join it, and I'd hope we can
carry on our business there for the timebeing.

> Since the Propraetors and Proconsuls serve at the
> pleasure of the Senate it would probelly be best to
> have some of the Senators as the co-owners of the new
> governors list so that this problem dosen't happen
> again.

I agree. Distributed ownership would seem to be called for.

-- Marinus


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