Forum Romanum


Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl
From:	aneaapollonia@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:19:32 EST

I recall that when my husband and I were interested in becoming citizens of
Nova Roma that we had a conflict. My husband is in the military and the
phrasing of the Constitution violated three distinct US Military codes. We
emailed the censors asking for their advice on the situation and never
received any reply. We took it to his Command and showed them Nova Roma's
application for citizenship, they looked it over and declared that the US
Military has no precedent for International Online Communities who have a
Constitution but no nation. So until the US Government declares cyberspace to
be a foreign territory, they said its not a problem. And even if it were to
become so, dual citizens are permitted to serve in the military with oaths to
both nations. Provided that they were members of said nations before service,
it would require some serious imagination on the part of the US Government or
the Military to find membership in Nova Roma a treasonous act.

(Also keep in mind that if laws were to change on this matter that the
Freemasons would also come under fire as well being an international
fraternal political organization. Fear not, for it would be a dark day when
the Republican Party allowed the Freemason Order to fall into such chaos.)

Antiosas,
I.A.A.Musa

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl
From:	"Christopher L. Wood" <xwood@usa.net>
Date:	Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:17:07 -0500

I believe you misunderstood me, perhaps because I dashed off my letter too
quickly. I am not ignorant of other nations, nor do I think that my nation
is "the best" in every respect above other nations. There are certain
long-standing aspects of our culture, as well as some more recent
developments that I do not like, but I still think it is a great country,
and in the present day, it is the only nation with the power to take action
against the terrorists.

Tiberius Ambrosius Silvus

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl
From:	CSSWarspite@aol.com
Date:	Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:33:40 EST

Ok
FYI I am part of locale MILITRY securty Here in my part of New york ,there
is nothing wrong with Nova roma and the discussions there in or I could not
be a part of it.if anyone thinksthis is wrong I will be happy to make a
formal written statement.

Scott H

Marcus Ambrsio Incendium

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Gladiatorial Bouts
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:34:38 -0500

The best way to get involved is to find out where a gladiator troupe is
appearing. Many of them have Web sites and list their schedules online.

If it turns out that there's no troupe near you, you may want to think
about starting one! You'd need a minimum of two people willing to put
some time, effort and money into starting to gather equipment and
working up an act.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Gladitorial Bouts
From:	"Chris Lino" <chrislino777@hotmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:11:38 -0600

Salve,

What is the best way to get involved, and learn more about the Gladitorial
Reenactments?

Vale
Decimus Cornelius Romanus

>From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Gladitorial Bouts
>Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:49:04 -0500 (EST)
>
>I am in agreement with Senator Maximus in the view that danger and risk
>today is reflective of the eagerness and excitement generated in
>spectators of the "blood" sports.
>
>Our activities at the various events in which the Great School of the
>Gladiators part of the XXIVth Legion, has drawn spectators is certainly
>indicative of the desire of modern people to be part of that involvement
>where gladiators battle to the death. At virtually every event, the
>Gladiator school has drawn a large audience, and at the "Roman Market
>Days" Event the spectators urged the reenactors to provide additional
>bouts which had ot been planned.
>
>I know that there are those here who do ot care for reenacting, but in
>the arena and on the battlefield, I believe that renacting brings a
>great deal to Nova Roma, since it is the only way to come close to the
>excitement of a "blood sport" in the modern day, with our modern laws
>and restrictions.
>
>As Senator Maximus indicates and I agree that the eagerness for the
>"blood sport" excitement seems to be as alive today as it was in ancient
>Rome.
>
>Respectfully;
>
>Marcus Minucius Audens
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
>http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Runoff election endorsement
From:	Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Date:	Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:08:25 -0500

I am not a plebeian, so cannot vote for Tribune. However, I would like
to encourage the Plebeians of Nova Roma to look with favor on the
candidacy of Gaius Popillius Laenas. He has done excellent service in
the past year to Nova Roma. Though the nature of his service --
financial management -- is not the sort that is publicly visible, it is
nonetheless worthy of appreciation, and I hope you will reward him by
electing him in the runoff.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:12:20 +0100

Dear and confused Marcus,
It´s a great joy, for not saying even an honour for me, to se how
narrow-minded little people says good-bye to this community. Roman gave
our western civilization many fundamental notions. Notions that other
civilizations, like the muslim one, do not have. The most important
they left to us is the capacity to criticise everything human mind can
intellectually criticise. It´s gruesome that you, who really sound like
someone grown-up, give such a stupid reason to quit this community. You
leave NR because "Bush says so"...LOL

So long, good bye, be happy under your Republican gov. Leave this "evil
and anti-american forum" because one year ago some crazy terrorists
turned their eyes towards America, the nation we all love, so similar
to ancient Rome.

antonius adrianus urcitanus

----- Mensaje Original -----
De: MVariusPM@aol.com
Fecha: Miercoles, Diciembre 4, 2002 9:01 am
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl

> <html><body>
>
>
> <tt>
> Salve,
>
>
>
> Because of the current political atmosphere in the macro state
> of the
>
> United States, with regret, My wife and I must withdraw our
> membership in the
>
> Nova Roma organization. The goal of establishing a soverign state
> of "Nova
>
> Roma" for the organization is not compatible with the current
> leader of
>
> America. His statement that "if you are not with us you are
> against us" and
>
> the establishment of the "Homeland Security" department
> exclude involvement
>
> by individuals in groups that do not support governmental
> hemogeony.
>
> Therefore, we cannot be a part of a group that wishes to break
> away from the
>
> established macro government. An action of that nature could be
> viewed as
>
> subversive and be deemed terroristic in nature. This is not what
> we intend
>
> and we do not want to be affiliated with. Please, remove all
> membership
>
> reference as required for "Marcus Varius Pullus" and
> "Flaminia Pullus".
>
>
>
> In a better place, in a better world, it would be delightful to
> contiue the
>
> discussion of Roman culture and organization. In the current time
> and
>
> setting, it cannot be. Discussion is one thing, repercussions
> because of
>
> one's affiliation's is another. Sometimes the world changes,
> sometimes it
>
> does not. History does have a way of repeating itself and the
> terrible parts
>
> are usually the ones that no one expects.
>
>
>
> Valate,
>
> Marcus Varius Pullus
>
> and
>
> Flaminia Pullus
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:38:55 -0600

"I rather fear this bespeaks a dangerous mixture of patriotism and ignorance of other places."

Americans are not ignorant of other places. We have no illusions concerning Japan, Scandanavia, or France for that matter. Your rank and file American would consider them Utopian dictatorships where its citizens have given up basic rights to feel safer and have their government take care of them. As I've posted before, one doesn't have to go back far in history to observe those very same countries as superpowers who literally ran amok around the globe "colonizing" and exploiting third world nations. Now you all are super enlightened powers who exhort us to act as you do. Those countries got fat and rich from the pilliaging of underdeveloped nations. Now that you're all set up, we're supposed to lay down our arms and give peace a chance. The gall and hypocrisy of your attitude is staggering. Its awful. In fact, it would sacreligious to say that it is anything less than God-awful.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl

-----Original Message-----
From : "Christopher L. Wood" <xwood@usa.net>
>
>Despite my country's faults, the United States is still the world's best hope
>to preserve liberty and freedom in the world. Our protections of freedom of
>religion and of association allow a group like NR to exist, where in many
>other countries, even suggesting something like Nova Roma could get you killed
>
I rather fear this bespeaks a dangerous mixture of patriotism and ignorance of other places. 'The best' feels no need to try harder and can easily forgive and forget too many lapses. It is only while citizens underrate the benefits of their nation that they continue to ensure that those benefits survive. It is when citizens have felt most certain of their security that it has been most eroded - by the Fascist regimes claiming to enact the Popular Will and in the USA by McCarthy's extra-judicial, therefore extra-legal-protection crusade against humane conscience.
The USA is neither best nor worst, it is one among many, each with different priorities. I would personally rather be Japanese of Scandinavian because I prefer their sense of community - but of course French above all macro-nations!
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:51:58 -0600

Its interesting to see how different folks have interepreted this withdrawl. I saw foaming at the mouth liberals. antonius adrianus urcitanus visioned nazi republicans who think Reagan was a communist. Whatever the case, it warms my heart to see vitriolic conflict amongst citizens. Vicious debate is so very Roman.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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----- Original Message -----
From: URCITANUS
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl

Dear and confused Marcus,
It´s a great joy, for not saying even an honour for me, to se how
narrow-minded little people says good-bye to this community. Roman gave
our western civilization many fundamental notions. Notions that other
civilizations, like the muslim one, do not have. The most important
they left to us is the capacity to criticise everything human mind can
intellectually criticise. It´s gruesome that you, who really sound like
someone grown-up, give such a stupid reason to quit this community. You
leave NR because "Bush says so"...LOL

So long, good bye, be happy under your Republican gov. Leave this "evil
and anti-american forum" because one year ago some crazy terrorists
turned their eyes towards America, the nation we all love, so similar
to ancient Rome.

antonius adrianus urcitanus

----- Mensaje Original -----
De: MVariusPM@aol.com
Fecha: Miercoles, Diciembre 4, 2002 9:01 am
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl

> <html><body>
>
>
> <tt>
> Salve,
>
>
>
> Because of the current political atmosphere in the macro state
> of the
>
> United States, with regret, My wife and I must withdraw our
> membership in the
>
> Nova Roma organization. The goal of establishing a soverign state
> of "Nova
>
> Roma" for the organization is not compatible with the current
> leader of
>
> America. His statement that "if you are not with us you are
> against us" and
>
> the establishment of the "Homeland Security" department
> exclude involvement
>
> by individuals in groups that do not support governmental
> hemogeony.
>
> Therefore, we cannot be a part of a group that wishes to break
> away from the
>
> established macro government. An action of that nature could be
> viewed as
>
> subversive and be deemed terroristic in nature. This is not what
> we intend
>
> and we do not want to be affiliated with. Please, remove all
> membership
>
> reference as required for "Marcus Varius Pullus" and
> "Flaminia Pullus".
>
>
>
> In a better place, in a better world, it would be delightful to
> contiue the
>
> discussion of Roman culture and organization. In the current time
> and
>
> setting, it cannot be. Discussion is one thing, repercussions
> because of
>
> one's affiliation's is another. Sometimes the world changes,
> sometimes it
>
> does not. History does have a way of repeating itself and the
> terrible parts
>
> are usually the ones that no one expects.
>
>
>
> Valate,
>
> Marcus Varius Pullus
>
> and
>
> Flaminia Pullus
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] elections
From:	"Gaius Galerius Peregrinator" <gaiusgalerius@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 05 Dec 2002 05:22:34 +0000

Could anybody tell me when are the runoff elections due?

Galerius Peregrinator.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nationality and Nova Roma (Was: Re: Withdrawl)
From:	"Gaius Basilicatus Agricola" <jlasalle@kc.rr.com>
Date:	Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:44:26 -0600

I agree. Rome is in the heart and in the mind. I lived there for three months during law school. I love the City for what it once was, what it is, and how it continues to inspire even us to this very day. Thats what I think we're trying to tap into here. Felix Roma!

Vale

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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From: sceptia
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nationality and Nova Roma (Was: Re: Withdrawl)

Salvete omnes

I have followed the present discussion about the withdrawal of a
quirite who decided to resign because of his fear about the USA laws.
And many opinions about what country or nationality is the best, the
worst, etc. I think, as citizen that I am, that a couple of things
must be clarified.

First of all, we all citizens of our countrys, being those Germany,
Italy, Argentina or any other one. That means that we have been bred
in a macronational state, that is clear. But...

But secondly we found a place named Nova Roma, created by some
enthusiasthic people who believed (I guess) in the great history,
values, works and many things Rome did, inheritated by us.

Well, what's the problem then? Are we trying to kill some government
officer of any country? No. Are we trying to split a nation? No. What
we are trying, despite the project of buying a land for Nova Roma
(Something I will speak of later) is to live as roman did, to deal
with the heritage of the roman who lived before, to enjoy their books
and thoughts and produce new ones, to admire and encourage others to
feel and discover the roman heritage. We mainly try to awake a world
that never dissappeared.

Maybe it sounds to you all childish, but it isn't. Think about it.
Our countries, our governments are the real ones. O.K. But we try to
make a society that belongs far beyond the barriers to the
cosmopolitan Cosmos of the romans. We joined Nova Roma because we'd
like to see one day Roman World best achievements set in our real
life. And that is not a crime or a plot against someone. Is the wish
of sharing our love for the roman world.

A citizen of Syria would say that he was roman, from the city of
Rome, because the imperium of his city were spread along the world
and any citizen, being black or white, jewish or gentil, epicurean or
stoic, was mainly ROMAN. Do we try to be roman ourselves?

I do not mind about a land for Nova Roma. I do worry about being
roman, and share that romanitas with other citizens. I do want to
share notes on history, philosophy, language, society, to improve my
life knowing from the others and sharing the little I know. And we
have a way for doing it, e-net and meetings. Please, put aside the
futile discussions that empty the core purpouse we shoud have. :-)

Vale bene,

L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
- Candidate to Tribunus Plebis -

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., me-in-@d... wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From : "Christopher L. Wood" <xwood@u...>
> >
> >Despite my country's faults, the United States is still the
world's best hope
> >to preserve liberty and freedom in the world. Our protections of
freedom of
> >religion and of association allow a group like NR to exist, where
in many
> >other countries, even suggesting something like Nova Roma could
get you killed
> >
> I rather fear this bespeaks a dangerous mixture of patriotism and
ignorance of other places. 'The best' feels no need to try harder and
can easily forgive and forget too many lapses. It is only while
citizens underrate the benefits of their nation that they continue to
ensure that those benefits survive. It is when citizens have felt
most certain of their security that it has been most eroded - by the
Fascist regimes claiming to enact the Popular Will and in the USA by
McCarthy's extra-judicial, therefore extra-legal-protection crusade
against humane conscience.
> The USA is neither best nor worst, it is one among many, each
with different priorities. I would personally rather be Japanese of
Scandinavian because I prefer their sense of community - but of
course French above all macro-nations!
> V. Ambrosius Caesariensis.
>
>
> --
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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] elections
From:	"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@msn.com>
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:34:00 -0500

Salve ,A very good question cousin

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Galerius Peregrinator
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:32 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] elections

Could anybody tell me when are the runoff elections due?

Galerius Peregrinator.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Candidate for AEDILIS PLEBIS needed
From:	"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:50:23 -0000

Sir,

I am Publius Tarquitius Rufus. I live in Atlanta, GA. I am a recent
member of Nova Roma. If it is permitted, I shall GLADLY stand forward
to offer myself as a Candidate for the open post. I am 40 years, so I
meet that requirement easily. :-) I have been a member less than six
months, so I shall require a waiver on that count.

I see service as something I owe to Nova Roma, not as a step to
something else. I deeply believe that service to what one loves is
the best method of demonstrating our love of that
orgainzation/cause/purpose. Hence, I stand forth.

In Humility,

Publius Tarquitius Rufus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., M Arminius Maior <marminius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete quirites
>
>
> Soon, the Comitia Plebis Tributi will be called to
> fill the four remaining positions of Tribunus Plebis,
> and the one of Aedilis Plebis.
>
> Since we dont have enough candidates for Aedilis
> Plebis, i declare that we are accepting candidates for
> this magistrature.
>
> The magistrate called Aedilis Plebis is of historical
> importance, and was created with the Tribunus Plebis,
> in 494 BC. In Roma Antiqua, their functions evolved
> with time. The first Plebeian Aediles was responsible
> for helping the Tribunes, and keeping copies of the
> roman laws in the Aedes Cereris (Shrine of Ceres) in
> the Aventine.
> http://www.livius.org/ad-af/aedile/aedile.html
>
> In Nova Roma, the duties of The Plebeian Aedile are
> stated in our Constitution (IV.A.5):
>
> "Aediles plebis (Plebeian Aedile). Two plebeian
> aediles shall be elected by the comitia plebis tributa
> to serve a term lasting one year. They must both be of
> the plebeian order and shall have the following
> honors, powers, and obligations:
> a. To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to see to
> the conduct of public games and other festivals and
> gatherings, to ensure order at public religious
> events, to see to the maintenance of any real public
> facilities that the State should acquire, and to
> administer the law (such edicts being binding upon
> themselves as well as others);
> b. To pronounce intercessio against another plebeian
> aedile or magistrate of lesser authority;
> c. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with
> administrative and other tasks, as he shall see fit. "
>
> Hoping that some plebeian will accept the task,
>
>
> Vale
> Marcus Arminius Maior
> Tribunus Plebis
>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Welcome to a new citizen
From:	"William Rogers" <wlr107@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:56:14 -0000

Welcome to Nova Roma Helena Lania Valida of the Gens Lania! I'm sure
you shall love it here, just as I do! I have learned SO MUCH since
I've been here...we have some truly great minds here! WELCOME!

Publius Tarquitius Rufus

--- In Nova-Roma@y..., "gaius117" <lanius117@a...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> It gives me great pleasure to announce the recent admission of
Helena
> Lania Valida into Gens Lania, and her acceptance as a citizen in
Nova
> Roma. As paterfamilias of Gens Lania, and before all the deities
of
> Nova Roma, I publicly embrace this newest "cousin" into our gens.
> Make her feel welcome, and may our populace continue to grow.
>
> Valete, respectfully
>
> Gaius Lanius Falco

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:15:59 +0100

Salve Antonius Adrianus Urcitanus,

> Dear and confused Marcus,
>It´s a great joy, for not saying even an honour for me, to se how
>narrow-minded little people says good-bye to this community.
> So long, good bye, be happy > under your Republican gov. Leave this "evil
> and anti-american forum" because one year ago some crazy terrorists
> turned their eyes towards America, the nation we all love, so similar
> to ancient Rome.

Come on, be nice... The 2 people who resigned are probably just worried
about losing their jobs and not being able to take care of their family.
It's a shame that this discussion only came up after they left, because
after hearing the input of people like Musa & Marinus, I am sure they would
have realized that they had nothing to fear by staying.

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] elections
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@konoko.net>
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:52:35 -0600 (CST)

Salve Gai Galeri,

> Could anybody tell me when are the runoff elections due?

My colleague sets the schedule in even-numbered months, so I do
not yet know myself when the election will be.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Consul of Nova Roma
Censor-Elect 2756

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:00:02 -0800 (PST)

--- Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@pandora.be> wrote:
> Salve Antonius Adrianus Urcitanus,
>
> > Dear and confused Marcus,
> >It´s a great joy, for not saying even an honour for
> me, to se how
> >narrow-minded little people says good-bye to this
> community.
> > So long, good bye, be happy > under your
> Republican gov. Leave this "evil
> > and anti-american forum" because one year ago
> some crazy terrorists
> > turned their eyes towards America, the nation we
> all love, so similar
> > to ancient Rome.
>
> Come on, be nice... The 2 people who resigned are
> probably just worried
> about losing their jobs and not being able to take
> care of their family.
> It's a shame that this discussion only came up after
> they left, because
> after hearing the input of people like Musa &
> Marinus, I am sure they would
> have realized that they had nothing to fear by
> staying.
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
>
If these former citizens were really worried about
reprisals directed at them by the US Government they
would not have included barbed phrases like
"governmental hemogeony" in the resignation letter.
The tone of that letter is more likely to bring the
reprisals they claim they fear on them than
Citizenship in Nova Roma ever could.

The resignation was a political protest against the
policies of the American Government. I Have no
intention of discussing my views on those policies in
this forum. There are other groups that are concerned
with discussions the politics of the USA. They are the
proper place to discuss her policies, not Nova Roma's
main list.

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
(A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.)
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Subject:	Re: RE: [Nova-Roma] Withdrawl
From:	<lucius@salixcicero.fsnet.co.uk>
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:12:20 +0000

Salvete,

I would tend to agree with my friend Diana Moravia on this issue, I think we should be saying that we are sorry to see them leave NR. Whatever reason they are leaving for is a personal decision and we should respect that and welcome them back to NR if and when they decide to return.

Valete
L.Salix Cicero

Salve Antonius Adrianus Urcitanus,

> Dear and confused Marcus,
>It´s a great joy, for not saying even an honour for me, to se how
>narrow-minded little people says good-bye to this community.
> So long, good bye, be happy > under your Republican gov. Leave this "evil
> and anti-american forum" because one year ago some crazy terrorists
> turned their eyes towards America, the nation we all love, so similar
> to ancient Rome.

Come on, be nice... The 2 people who resigned are probably just worried
about losing their jobs and not being able to take care of their family.
It's a shame that this discussion only came up after they left, because
after hearing the input of people like Musa & Marinus, I am sure they would
have realized that they had nothing to fear by staying.

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Issues of National Loyalty
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:29:06 +0100

Quintus Cassius Calvus...you are great!

----- Mensaje Original -----
De: "quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Fecha: Miercoles, Diciembre 4, 2002 10:48 pm
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Issues of National Loyalty

> <html><body>
>
>
> <tt>
> Salve,
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus"
>
> <equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
>
> > Today's unfortunate resignations raise questions which I
> imagine
>
> many
>
> > citizens have considered. Does membership in Nova Roma represent
>
> > involvement with an organization which might reasonably be
>
> considered
>
> > inimical to the US or some other macronational government?
>
>
>
> I imagine membership in Nova Roma would be considered treason in
>
> Islamic nations like Iran, Communist nations like Cuba, North
> Korea,
>
> or an ultranationalistic state such as China (China has long
> ceased
>
> to be "Communist" other than the name of its one legal
> political
>
> party), but I sincerely doubt that the US or any other Western
>
> government would consider Nova Roma to be a threat to its
> security.
>
> This past year Nova Roma couldn't afford a census, we certainly
> can't
>
> afford a weapons of mass destruction program. Another real good
>
> reason is that even if the US government went after Nova Romans in
>
> the name of the "war on terrorism" the media would have
> a field day
>
> and the Dept. of Homeland Security would become an international
>
> laughing stock. At the risk of being forced to resign as Rogator
>
> designatus, to quote Canada's Francoise Ducros, "Bush is a
> moron."
>
> However, he's not that big of a moron.
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
>
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Provincia Argentina 2nd anniversary 2do aniversario
From:	"Daniel Villanueva" <danielovi@ciudad.com.ar>
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:09:20 -0300

Segundo aniversario provincia Argentina

Salvete omnes.

El 5 de Diciembre se cumplen 2 años de la creación de nuestra provincia Argentina.

Este año ha sido un año muy difícil para todos, incluso dos de nuestros coprovincianos novaromanos han dejado nuestra macronación incluyendo nuestro illustrus magister de latín, Lucius Sergius Lupus. Durante el año él ha dado clases de latín para los novaromanos de Buenos Aires hasta su partida en Agosto pasado.

Esperando que el próximo año sea mejor para todos los saluda cordialmente vuestro propraetor

Bene Valete.

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus

Proprætor provincialis Argentinæ

Second anniversary of provincia Argentina.

Salvete omnes.

December the 5th, 2002 is the second anniversary of our provincia Argentina. This has been a very hard year for everybody, even two of our novaromans left our macronation including our illustrus magister of Latin, Lucius Sergius Lupus. During the year he taught Latin for the Novaromans from Buenos Aires until the month of August, when he departed.

Your proprætor is ending this letter wishing a better new year for everybody.

Bene Valete.

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus

Proprætor provincialis Argentinæ

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl
From:	URCITANUS <urcitanus@terra.es>
Date:	Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:10:40 +0100

Only paranoics or simple-minded people could consider us as a sect. For
me, this is just a hobby: the understanding and study of ancient Rome.
For the rest...well, I just don´t care. Let them think what they are
able to

Vale
antonius adrianus urcitanus

----- Mensaje Original -----
De: "Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@yahoo.com.br>
Fecha: Miercoles, Diciembre 4, 2002 4:43 pm
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl

> <html><body>
>
>
> <tt>
> Salve,
>
>
>
> My worst fear was always that NR would be called ´sect´ or
>
> ´separatist party´ by some paranoic government. Maybe this may
> become
>
> true, Iove spares us!
>
>
>
> L. Arminius Faustus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@y..., "A. Hirtius Helveticus"
> <hirtius75ch@y...>
>
> wrote:
>
> > --- Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@y...>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Sic transit gloria Novae Romae...
>
> >
>
> > Welcome to the bave new world...
>
> >
>
> > =====
>
> > A. Hirtius Helveticus
>
> > -------------------------
>
> > "Res Romana Dei est, terrenis non eget armis."
>
> > (Corippus, In laudem Iustini 3, 328)
>
> > -------------------------
>
> > http://www.hirtius.ch.tt/
>
> > -------------------------
>
> >
>
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
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>
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Roman Army Images
From:	Charlie Collins <cotta@spamcop.net>
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:16:34 -0600

Salvete Omnes,
I did a Google Image search for Roman Army and found a
interesting Wallpaper on it. It looks like recruiting
poster but is a 1024x768 wallpaper. It says "Join the
Roman Army" at the top and on the side it says "Honor",
"Discipline", "Duty", "Mass Murder", "Mayhem". The site
where I found it is located at:

http://198.144.2.125/Roman/Roman.htm

The site belongs to a Legion Artillery reenactment group
and has a lot of info on uniforms and artillery. I did the
image search just to find any Roman Army wallpaper and
found tons of Roman images. If you don't know about the
Google search engine check it out.

http://www.google.com

Sextus Cornelius Cotta

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nationality and Nova Roma (Was: Re: Withdrawl)
From:	me-in-@disguise.co.uk
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:53:54 +0000 (GMT)

-----Original Message-----
>From : sceptia <sceptia@yahoo.es>
>
>First of all, we all citizens of our countrys, being those Germany,
>Italy, Argentina or any other one. That means that we have been bred
>in a macronational state, that is clear. But...
>
This is a quite extraordinary argument coming from an American since it is a rejection of federalism. Nova Roma fits in practice as a 'mental' affiliation no different from a club with its own rules and officers, within larger macronational affiliations and that is the essence of federalism, something the USA has traditionally done extremely well down to very small town levels and is at the heart of most modern national states. In one in fact, those who make a point of being 'English' rather than 'Yorkshiremen' or 'Cornishmen' or 'British Indian' etc. are usually assumed neo-fascist.
It is something Europe used to do but in a very top-down fashion when allegience was to the local landowner, his landowner and so on up to the King and possibly Emperor. While it's reasonable for nations to check up on alien-affiliated groupings, to fear anything going further than that presupposes return to the worst kind of MacCarthy unconstitutionalism.
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl (from the former M. Varius)
From:	StormSingr@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:10:33 EST

Greetings,

Thank you, Diana, for being polite and kind. Yes, there were considerations
regarding personal obligations and other associations in respect to conflicts
of interest between support for Nova Roma and macronation circumstances. I
did not feel it necessary to discuss my wife's and my private affairs in a
public forum. Nor, did I expect to receive as many negative and rude
responses for a personal choice.

I am writing this post from my wife's account address, since I have already
deleted my associated account and withdrawn from the news list - as I said I
was going to do. However, she decided to read the responses, once we realized
there were so many and when it became obvious there were so many negative
ones I asked her if she would mind me using her account to post this before
she withdraws from the news list, too. I wanted to make a comment to those
who felt it necessary to say something nasty to us regarding our choice:

In every organization and/or group of people there is a spectrum of
personal viewpoints representative of society at large. It was really a bit
startling to me to find about 50% of the responses to our leaving the group
at this time to contain very unkind and inappropriate comments regarding the
issue. My wife and I are not extremists. We aren't heavily involved in
politics and we weren't promoting any political viewpoints or agendas. We
were simply making a personal choice based on our particular circumstances
and I don't feel the need to justify personal choices to anyone, least of all
people I've never met face to face and who do not know me well at all.

I had anticipated returning to Nova Roma at some point in the future when
participation for us could be free flowing and without concerns. I have
enjoyed the group's discussions regarding history and the details of many
academic subjects. I do not, however, enjoy the rude unkind things people say
to one another based on personal bias and bigotry's. Personal choice is just
that - personal choice. It is my firm belief that every person has the right
to make choices for him or herself about what they do, when they do it and
with whom. It is no one else's business to pass judgments based on their own
choices. It is my opinion that people who do so reflect the kind of thinking
that is terribly wrong in the world today and it is that attitude - "I know
what is right for me so you better do things my way or else" - that is an
honest concern to us in the current political climate in the US.

Based on what I have read in people's interactions on this news list, it is
highly unlikely that I will return to Nova Roma in the future. I no longer
feel that my belief system of respecting other's rights to make choices for
themselves is completely compatible with other members of the organization. I
do wish those of you who had kind things to say or reassurances well and hope
that your influence will eventually have a positive effect on the other
members. Based on historical evidence, I do not have high hopes for this
though. Do take care.

Sincerely,
Mike W.
(formerly Marcus Varius Pullus)

In a message dated 12/5/02 7:17:00 AM Central Standard Time, diana@pandora.be
writes:

> Come on, be nice... The 2 people who resigned are probably just worried
> about losing their jobs and not being able to take care of their family.
> It's a shame that this discussion only came up after they left, because
> after hearing the input of people like Musa & Marinus, I am sure they would
> have realized that they had nothing to fear by staying.

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!!
From:	cassius622@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:27:06 EST

Salvete,

This was just sent to me. Can anyone on the list help this person? I'm at
work now and will be away for the evening... I can't possibly get to this for
almost 24 hours. Many thanks!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

***********************************************
In a message dated 12/5/02 2:21:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
paul.raman@publilink.be writes:

> Ave,
>
> I am Stéphanie Raman, aged 13 an I live in Belgium (dutch speaking)
>
> I have to make a history-homework for school and I have to answer
> 3 questions , concerning roman ancient history, the republic period.
>
> 1. Give a definition of "senator"
>
> 2. Where did these persons practise their job (place)
>
> 3. Which qualities (or qualifications) must they possess to be able to do
> their work in a correct way ?
>
> I have the same questions for te following persons:
>
> - "cliens"
>
> - "miles legionaris"
>
> - "servus a/ privatus
> b/ publicus "
>
> - "tribunus plebis
>
> - "praetor"
>
> - "consul"
>
> - "aedilis"
>
> - "equites"
>
> - "augur"
>
>
> I have been consulting a lot of historybooks and encyclopedias, but I could
> not find an anwswer to all the questions for each of the given persons.
>
> I learned form Internet that you could perhaps be able to help me with
> completing my task and therefor I should be very grateful to you.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Stéphanie
>
>

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawal
From:	Jim Lancaster <jlancaster@foxcable.com>
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:01:02 -0800

Salvete Quirites!

My thoughts: I may love my country dearly, but I utterly despise the current
administration, from the President on down. There is no way I'm laying down
a single right or freedom to support it, including the right of association.

Cassius Dio, in his Roman History, consistently supports the concept of
Monarchy on the basis that Public Order and Security are more important than
Freedom and Liberty. I imagine he would have supported Senator McCarthy.
I'm afraid I cannot go so far as Dio.

Oh, wait, I think I can put these worms back in the can ... give me
second....

Valete!

Cn. Iulius Strabo

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!!
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@telia.com>
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:37:12 +0100

Salvete Quirites!

I sent this to her:
===============
Salve Honorable Stéphanie Raman!

I am sorry but I am extremely busy at the moment. I will not be able
to help You for some weeks. But I will give You an address and the
name of a friend of mine. If You give her my name, I am sure she will
try to help You, by the way she lives in Belgium too (I live in
Sweden). Her Roman name is Diana Moravia Aventina and her address is:
diana@pandora.be
=============
>Salvete,
>
>This was just sent to me. Can anyone on the list help this person? I'm at
>work now and will be away for the evening... I can't possibly get to this for
>almost 24 hours. Many thanks!
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Thules
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
"Fautor Societatis Iuventutis Romanae"
************************************************
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************************************************
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!!
From:	"gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:39:57 -0000

Salvete,

I sent Stephanie the answers to her questions.

Whew! Quite a list.

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawl
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:35:06 +0100 (CET)

Salvete Quirites.

I feel the urge to enter this discussion to clear a few points:

--- Gaius Basilicatus Agricola <jlasalle@kc.rr.com> escribió:
> "I rather fear this bespeaks a dangerous mixture of patriotism and
> ignorance of other places."
>
> Americans are not ignorant of other places. We have no illusions
> concerning Japan, Scandanavia, or France for that matter. Your rank
> and file American would consider them Utopian dictatorships where its
> citizens have given up basic rights to feel safer and have their
> government take care of them.

To say that Japan or France are "dictatorships" does not do much to
proof that you have no illusions concerning those nations.

As for Scandinavia (check spelling), it is not a country, but a
peninsula divided into three countries: Norway, Sweden and Finland,
none of which can be considered a "dictatorship" under any definition
of that term.

I admire the United States of America in many ways, and I think that I
have always shown respect to that nation and to its citizens on this
mailing list. I think that, in return, a little respect for the
institutions of those nations is not too much to ask for.

> As I've posted before, one doesn't have to go back far in history to
> observe those very same countries as superpowers who literally ran
> amok around the globe "colonizing" and exploiting third world
> nations. Now you all are super enlightened powers who exhort us to
> act as you do. Those countries got fat and rich from the pilliaging
> of underdeveloped nations. Now that you're all set up, we're supposed
> to lay down our arms and give peace a chance. The gall and hypocrisy
> of your attitude is staggering. Its awful. In fact, it would
> sacreligious to say that it is anything less than God-awful.

This paragraph just proofs how well you know the history of the nations
you mentioned above, how well you understand they current situation and
how enlightened you are on world issues generally.

I have an advice for you. Before insulting anyone, please think it twice.

=====
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Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Triumvir Academiae Thules
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Nationality and Nova Roma (Was: Re: Withdrawl)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:03:14 +0100 (CET)

Salvete Quirites.

--- me-in-@disguise.co.uk escribió:
> -----Original Message-----
> From : sceptia <sceptia@yahoo.es>
> >
> >First of all, we all citizens of our countrys, being those Germany,
> >Italy, Argentina or any other one. That means that we have been bred
> >in a macronational state, that is clear. But...
> >
> This is a quite extraordinary argument coming from an American since
> it is a rejection of federalism.
> Nova Roma fits in practice as a 'mental' affiliation no different
> from a club with its own rules and officers, within larger
> macronational affiliations and that is the essence of federalism,
> something the USA has traditionally done extremely well down to very
> small town levels and is at the heart of most modern national states.

My good friend L. Didius Geminus Sceptius is *not* an American. He is a
Spaniard (you know, Ibiza, sangria and all that) ;-). So I guess that
he can be excused for not having a proper "federalist" mindset :-).

> In one in fact, those who make a point of being 'English' rather
> than 'Yorkshiremen' or 'Cornishmen' or 'British Indian' etc. are
> usually assumed neo-fascist.

I have met many people who claimed to be English when questioned (some
of them had Hindi ancestors), and none of them seemed a fascist to me.
But I could be wrong, of course :-).

> It is something Europe used to do but in a very top-down fashion
> when allegience was to the local landowner, his landowner and so on
> up to the King and possibly Emperor. While it's reasonable for
> nations to check up on alien-affiliated groupings, to fear anything
> going further than that presupposes return to the worst kind of
> MacCarthy unconstitutionalism.

I certainly hope that that will not be the case. I have many friends in
the U.S. now, thanks to Nova Roma :-).

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Subject:	[Nova-Roma] Digest No 331 Runoff election endorsement
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@starpower.net>
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:22:28 -0500

Salvete, Quirites

Though I am not a Plebian either, I do believe it is my responsibility to
give my support to citizens who are deserving, regardless of their status.
I join my Senatorial colleague in her endorsement of Gaius Popillius Laenas.
He did a fantastic job instituting, organizing and administering the Tax
codes first year under the authority of Consul Marcus Octavius.
He has demonstrated himself to be of the highest moral character and
I believe he will continue to do a fine job in service to us all.

Mars nos protegas.

Valete, Lucius Equitius

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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:08:25 -0500
From: Patricia Cassia <pcassia@novaroma.org>
Subject: Runoff election endorsement

I am not a plebeian, so cannot vote for Tribune. However, I would like
to encourage the Plebeians of Nova Roma to look with favor on the
candidacy of Gaius Popillius Laenas. He has done excellent service in
the past year to Nova Roma. Though the nature of his service --
financial management -- is not the sort that is publicly visible, it is
nonetheless worthy of appreciation, and I hope you will reward him by
electing him in the runoff.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@novaroma.org

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Subject:	RE: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!!
From:	"Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@pandora.be>
Date:	Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:16:11 +0100

Salve Marcus Cassius Julianus,

She's Dutch speaking so I can give her an answer. Maybe my friend Apollonius
Cicatrix can help her a bit too.
Vale,
Diana
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cassius622@aol.com [mailto:cassius622@aol.com]
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2002 21:27
Aan: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: rooman republic Help !!!!!!

Salvete,

This was just sent to me. Can anyone on the list help this person? I'm at
work now and will be away for the evening... I can't possibly get to this
for
almost 24 hours. Many thanks!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

***********************************************
In a message dated 12/5/02 2:21:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
paul.raman@publilink.be writes:

> Ave,
>
> I am Stéphanie Raman, aged 13 an I live in Belgium (dutch speaking)
>
> I have to make a history-homework for school and I have to answer
> 3 questions , concerning roman ancient history, the republic period.
>
> 1. Give a definition of "senator"
>
> 2. Where did these persons practise their job (place)
>
> 3. Which qualities (or qualifications) must they possess to be able to
do
> their work in a correct way ?
>
> I have the same questions for te following persons:
>
> - "cliens"
>
> - "miles legionaris"
>
> - "servus a/ privatus
> b/ publicus "
>
> - "tribunus plebis
>
> - "praetor"
>
> - "consul"
>
> - "aedilis"
>
> - "equites"
>
> - "augur"
>
>
> I have been consulting a lot of historybooks and encyclopedias, but I
could
> not find an anwswer to all the questions for each of the given persons.
>
> I learned form Internet that you could perhaps be able to help me with
> completing my task and therefor I should be very grateful to you.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Stéphanie
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Issues of National Loyalty
From:	PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:58:47 EST

>From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the SPQNR. Salvete.

Back about 25 years ago when I joined the SCA, I discovered that the FBI had
tapped the telephones of some of the royalty and kingdom level officers of
the Society to see if we were a threat to the USA. After several years, the
government published their findings that essentially stated that we were
"...a harmless group of medieval reenactors..." Since that time, the SCA has
grown into a multi-national organization with almost 20,000 participants and
I don't believe that any macronation in the world worries that the SCA is a
subversive organization. I have also learned that the Federal government has
kept an eye on certain American Civil War re-enactors because they own
cannons, keep large amounts of gunpowder, and are organized along military
lines (companies, battalions, regiments, divisions, etc.) plus many are
outspokenly against centralized government. However, the present
administration has not done very much about those folks either.
Nova Roma is probably pretty low on the list of organizations that represent
a threat to the USA or any of the USA's allies, so I ask. . .

What's all the hubbub, bub?

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Subject:	Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Withdrawal
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:10:10 EST

In a message dated 12/5/02 11:02:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jlancaster@foxcable.com writes:

> Cassius Dio, in his Roman History, consistently supports the concept of
> Monarchy on the basis that Public Order and Security are more important
> than
> Freedom and Liberty. I imagine he would have supported Senator McCarthy.
>

It would appear the current administration has been reading Dio.

At least Mr Ashcroft has.

Valete
Q.F.M.

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