Subject:	Re: [novaroma] NEXT CEREMONY FOR TEMPLE OF RELIGIO ROMANA
From:	Valerian75@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:58:55 EDT

Salve Antonia!!

I was wondering if you could recommend some good resources for roman ritual
in general. I have the one from NR, but would like to compare it with some
others in order to construct a more formal form of ritual. I appreciate any
help you can offer.

Vale,
Lucia Ambrosia Valeria
Valerian75@aol.com


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Subject:	[novaroma] topic
From:	"morosbe2001" <hadescallias@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:18:59 -0000

Salvete omni
You know. In the introduction to the group, it clearly stated that
this list is for organisational matters, religious matters and
historical matters. Although the does include the topics of the list
but it is not exploited in its full potential since only a few are
active while the rest lurk it can be said that this list is more a
political list than anything else. Occasionly religion comes in but
nothing else. If anyone visits this group, they will probaly have the
impression that Rome is nothing more than this while Rome is so much
more. When visited the site of Nova Roma, it is clear that you guyes
only focus on religion and politics and not on culture which is a sad
thing. You want to reenact everything Roman, but you forgot to
include culture into your reenacting. By doing so, you give the wrong
impression of what Rome really was during the Republic to the world.
Oh yeah, i can't miss out economy since you try to reenact that to.
Although i must congretialate on the achievements, done on religious
ground, i find it annoying that you don't do anything on cultural
ground. And when such thing is tried, it failed due lack of
participation
Valete omni

Subject:	AW: [novaroma] Re: Caligae Romanae
From:	"solinvictus" <caiustarquitius@gmx.de>
Date:	Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:33:10 +0200

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Betreff: [novaroma] Re: Caligae Romanae



>>>Their swords are pretty much second to none, however they do stock
some
>>> Deepeka materials. I'm not sure about caligae, but I'm pretty sure
that
>>> theirs is Deepeka,



> >
> > The quality of Albionarmorers is not that high, I think.
> >


Albion does carry Deepeeka as well as Del Tin swords. I have held and
used swords from more manufactures than I can count any more. In my
not so humble opinion the ones the Albion makes themselves are by far
the best there is. They are extreamly light weight and durable. Well
ballanced and hold a shavable edge if you want it sharpened. I have
watched them bulding the swords from rough steel to the finest sword
original or reproduction that I have ever held. If you havn't held
one of the Albion Mark swords you can have little idea what it is
really like to have a sword become a true part of you arm. I'm more
than impressed and I have become hard to impress over the years.

I'm not impuning other sword makers. Deepeeka's ok and Del Tin's
great but The Albion Mark is incredable.

Salve!

Actually you are not right. In original roman swords were made of several
layers of different steel, in damascene-technique. None of the Albion swords
show this. If you do not use the original materials and techniques, you can
use plastic anyway, because its cheapest. For real reconstructions go to
http://www.hr-replikate.de

Vale, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.





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Subject:	[novaroma] Children's Clothing
From:	"Christopher Duemmel" <cduemmel@bellsouth.net>
Date:	Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:08:02 -0400

Here's one for the group.

Does anyone have any ideas regarding the clothing of children in Rome? I've
found planty of material regarding the clothing of Soldiers, Citizens and
adult women, but nothing for children.

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Children's Clothing
From:	asseri@aol.com
Date:	Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:12:46 EDT

In a message dated 4/28/02 8:40:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
cduemmel@bellsouth.net writes:


> but nothing for children.
>
>
>

Salve,
children clothing is pretty much like adults. The same fabrics and
shapes. The idea of different clothing for children is more an invention of
the 18-19 century. I would recommend this book as a place to start. I have
found it at many public libraries.

"A history of Private Lives- from Pagan Rome to Byzantium"
edited by Paul Veyne.

there is a lot of images of children at play. So you will see many of the
game and toys as well.
Valette
P. F. Drusila



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Subject:	[novaroma] OPENING OF FLOREALES LUDI
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:53:56 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

I hereby open the Ludi Florales!

FLORALIA, or Florales Ludi, a festival which was celebrated at Rome
in honour of Flora or Chloris. It was solemnized during five days,
beginning on the 28th of April and ending on the 2nd of May (Ovid.
Fast. v. 185; Plin. H.N. xviii.69).

It was said to have been instituted at Rome in 238 B.C., at the
command of an oracle in the Sibylline books, for the purpose of
obtaining from the goddess the protection of the blossoms (ut omnia
bene deflorescerent, Plin. l.c.; cf. Vell. Pat. i.14; Varro, De Re
Rust. i.1). Some time after its institution at Rome its celebration
was discontinued; but in the consulship of L. Postumius Albinus and
M. Popilius Laenas (173 B.C.), it was restored, at the command of the
senate, by the aedile C. Servilius (Eckhel, De Num. Vet. v. p308; cf.
Ovid Fast. v.329, &c.), as the blossoms in that year had severely
suffered from winds, hail, and rain.

The celebration was, as usual, conducted by the aediles (Cic. in
Verr. v.14; Val. Max. ii.10 sec8; Eckhel, l.c.), and was carried on
with excessive merriment, drinking, and lascivious games. (Mart. i.3;
Senec. Epist. 96). From Valerius Maximus we learn that theatrical and
mimic representations formed a principal part of the various
amusements, and that it was customary for the assembled people on
this occasion to demand the female actors to appear naked on the
stage, and to amuse the multitude with their indecent gestures and
dances. This indecency is probably the only ground on which the
absurd story of its origin, related by Lactantius (Institut. i.20),
is founded.

Similar festivals, it were, called forth by the season of the year
itself, without any distinct connection with any particular
divinity; they are to this day very popular in Italy (Voss. ad Virg.
Georg. ii.385), and in ancient times we find them celebrated from the
southern to the northern extremity of Italy (see ANTHESPHORIA, and
Justin. xliii.4).

The Floralia were originally festivals of the country people, which
were afterwards, in Italy as in Greece, introduced into the towns,
where they naturally assumed a more dissolute and licentious
character, while the country people continued to celebrate them in
their old and merry but innocent manner. And it is highly probable
that such festivals did not become connected with the worship of any
particular deity until a commparatively late period (Buttmann,
Mytholog. ii. p54). This would account for the late introduction of
the Floralia at Rome, as well as for the manner in which we find them
celebrated there (see Spanheim, De Praest. et Usu Numism. ii. p145,
&c.).

May Flora, the Gods and Goddesses of Roma continue to protect the Res
Publica!
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This "speech" is transfered to You my dear Quirites by my trusted
Quaestor Illustrus Franciscus Apulus Caesar while I myself am in Oslo
in the Thule Regio Norvegia to meet Senator Illustrus Marcus Minucius
Audens and Legio XV. Enjoy these games! I will be with You tomorrow!
-----------------------------------------------
I thank my Cohors Aedilis for the work they have done and still are
doing for me as a Curule Aedile.

For information about the Ludi Megalesia see:
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

Subject:	[novaroma] R: fashion show pic? + FLOREALES FASHION AWARD deadline
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:45:01 +0200

> Is there somwhere the pics are online so we can look at them?
> thanks, lynette

Of course, you can look the first picture by Julia Ovidia Luna at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/floreales/award.htm

I remember to all the citizens that the today is the deadline for the
subscriptions for the FLOREALES FASHION AWARD.
We'll wait for the evening to close the subscriptions. So you have few hours
to send your pictures of cloaths, hurry up!!!

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Quaestor Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Cohors Aedilis C. Fabius Quintilianus -
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis
Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre

Subject:	[novaroma] Curiosity
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:18:17 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

I received word this morning that somehow the person writing me
received a 'return mail', or a mailer deamon type message saying that
their mail *to* Pompeia_Cornelia@yahoo.com was returned. Further, he
claims he did not send anything to me via this address.

But wait....there's more!

I don't have a "yahoo.com" email addie. My addie is
Pompeia_Cornelia@yahoo.ca. I pretty much use this to get mail from
one list (and I'm now mail only), plus for storage. I do most of my
posting to this list at the website.

My point?....oh yes, my point :)

Should you receive any private mail, or see mail on other lists
perhaps from Pompeia_Cornelia@yahoo. *com*, you can be assured it is
*not* from this Pompeia.

I wanted you to have a heads up on this.

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Pompeia_Cornelia.ca
Trog99@hotmail.com
Scriba_forum@hotmail.com

Subject:	[novaroma] No Culture topic
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@telia.com>
Date:	Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:58:09 +0200

Salve Citizen!

What do You think about, the following:

http://www.novaroma.org/ludi/

http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/

http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/

http://musarum.konoko.net/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://www.novaroma.org/sodalitates/#egressus

http://www.diocletian.de/sodmil/

http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/reenactments/sodalitas_militarium.html

Culture?

Some of these sites need up-dating. Still as people are active in
these Sodalitas a.s.o., You may be willing to reconsider?



>Salvete omni
>You know. In the introduction to the group, it clearly stated that
>this list is for organisational matters, religious matters and
>historical matters. Although the does include the topics of the list
>but it is not exploited in its full potential since only a few are
>active while the rest lurk it can be said that this list is more a
>political list than anything else. Occasionly religion comes in but
>nothing else. If anyone visits this group, they will probaly have the
>impression that Rome is nothing more than this while Rome is so much
>more. When visited the site of Nova Roma, it is clear that you guyes
>only focus on religion and politics and not on culture which is a sad
>thing. You want to reenact everything Roman, but you forgot to
>include culture into your reenacting. By doing so, you give the wrong
>impression of what Rome really was during the Republic to the world.
>Oh yeah, i can't miss out economy since you try to reenact that to.
>Although i must congretialate on the achievements, done on religious
>ground, i find it annoying that you don't do anything on cultural
>ground. And when such thing is tried, it failed due lack of
>participation
>Valete omni

--
Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

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Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma Movie Script
From:	"gcassiusnerva" <gcassiusnerva@cs.com>
Date:	Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:57:04 -0000

The complaint over the "lack of culture" made me chuckle a bit.

Recently, I bought the DVD of SPARTACUS at the Naval Exchange here in
GTMO. One of the other soldiers in the house hooked up his
Playstation to the TV, and I was able to watch SPARTACUS again.

I wondered what a Nova Roma-produced movie might be like.

I downloaded a transcription of the SPARTACUS script, and began to
imagine Nova Romans in place of the movie cast.

Instead of Spartacus, there is FLACCUS. The role of Crassus vanishes
and QUINTUS FABIUS MAXIMUS takes his place. The Tony Curtis
character of Antoninus is replaced by SOLARIS. And Flaccus has as
his Gladiator friends brave warriors such as PETRUS, VENATOR,
FORTUNATAS, NERVA, and MARCUS OCTAVIUS.

CASSIUS might appear in place of Grachus, with APULUS CAESAR as his
protege, and PATRICIA as one of his many slave women.

How would the scenes change? How much action and how much love-
interest? The script would naturally have to be revised a bit.

Gaius Cassius Nerva