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Subject:	[novaroma] A question for a Censor.
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:03:45 -0000

Salve,

I was at the Nova Roma website to update my new email address. I
noticed something that I hadn't before. What does the Status:
Assidui mean? Or for that matter what does the status part of the
civi "thumbnail" stand for?

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A question for a Censor.
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:24:24 -0700

Ave,

That means you paid the tax.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul

quintuscassiuscalvus wrote:

> Salve,
>
> I was at the Nova Roma website to update my new email address. I
> noticed something that I hadn't before. What does the Status:
> Assidui mean? Or for that matter what does the status part of the
> civi "thumbnail" stand for?
>
> Pax,
>
> Quintus Cassius Calvus
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Ancient Roman ballads
From:	Caius Minucius Scaevola <pectus_roboreus1@yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:10:33 -0400

Salve, omnes -

I was just browsing through my local copy of the Project Gutenberg
archives, and ran into "Lays of Ancient Rome", by Thomas Babbington
Macaulay. Fascinating material! Macaulay, himself an excellent writer,
describes the history of Roman poetry, as well as discussing at length the
early Roman oral tradition - of which, unfortunately, we have no records,
but which can be reasonably inferred by following the path of reasoning
that he espouses.

I recommend it highly to anyone interested in Ancient Roman art and
mythology. The file, a part of the PG archives, can be found (among other
places) at

<http://www2.cddc.vt.edu/gutenberg/etext97/lrome10.txt>, approx. 101kB

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Ars longa, vita brevis.
-- Seneca, "De brevitate vitae"


Subject:	[novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:36:01 -0700

Avete Omnes,

Today I have had the chance to finish up the final preparations for the
Census law. I apologize for the delay. Here is the proposed draft
that I intend to promulgate later this month. Please feel free to post
comments, suggestions and criticisms.

Very Respectfully submitted,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma

_____

Pursuant to the Constitution of Nova Roma (II.A. 4 and IV.A.1.b) the
following law is hereby enacted to determine the accurate numbers of
citizens who make up Nova Roma.

I. A Census of all citizens of Nova Roma should be done every 2 years.
This would be the responsibility of the Censors.

II. The Nova Roma Census will last for a period of 8 weeks, and must be
completed by the Ides of September. The start and end of the census
period will be announced by the Censors on the NR website, official
lists, and in the major forums. The official lists are currently
located at novaroma@yahoogroups.com and
NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com. Notification must also be published
on the Nova Roma Message board.

III. The Census will consist of the following:

A. Active citizens are those citizens that do not need to be contacted
by the Censors to determine if they are apart of Nova Roma:

1. Those citizens who voted in the main election (in December of the
previous calendar year) shall be considered "censi."
2. Those citizens who have paid taxes for the current calendar year
shall be considered "censi".
3. Paterfamiliae who have successfully responded to the yearly
registration of the Lex Cornelia de Tabulis Gentium Novaromanarum
Agendis shall be considered “censi”.
4. Persons who became citizens during the current calendar year shall
be considered "censi".

IV. Inactive citizens are those citizens who fail to meet at least one
of the conditions in IV A. The following will lay down some of the
procedures to contact inactive citizens. Inactive citizens are those
citizens who will need to be contacted by the National Census. The
following methods will be used to contact inactive citizens:

A. Bulk Email. At least two attempts should be done to contact
citizen via this avenue.

B. Individual email. If a Citizen email bounces back as invalid
from the bulk email, the Censors shall send them an individual email to
verify there was not a problem with an email service filter.

C. Phone calls. If a Citizen is unreachable due to an invalid
email address, the Censors shall attempt to contact them by phone. This
may be done on the Provincial level under the direction of the Censors
if possible.

D. Surface mail. "Inactive" Citizens who are unreachable by email
or phone shall receive a mailing from the Censors. This may also be done
on the Provincial level if possible. Surface mail information should be
forwarded to whatever official NR address is specified by the Censors.
Surface mail information must reach the Censors before the Ides of
September.

The Current Official address of all Nova Roman Mail correspondence is:

Nova Roma
P.O. Box 1897
Wells, ME 04090

At the time of the passage of this lex, the above address is the
official address, if the official address changes in the future; the new
address should be utilized.

E. A temporary banner and link will be put on the main NR website for
the duration of the Census, where individual citizens may input their
information to comply with the Census.

V. All communicated information pertaining to the Census shall be noted
in a database on the Nova Roma Website, the address of which will be
specified by the Censores at the beginning of the Registration Period.
Citizen information may be inputted into this database by the Censores,
their appointed assistants, or by the individual citizens.

VI. By the Ides of August, the Censors should post a list to the
official email list of Nova Roma displaying the names of those citizens
who have failed to respond.

VII. If a citizen fails to respond to the contact attempts, that person
will no longer be considered a citizen of Nova Roma. His name will be
stricken from the Album Civium and if he/she is a Pater/Mater, the
Censors will abide by the Constitution, any laws, and any Censorial
edict if the appointment of a paterfamilias is necessary. However, the
Censors have the discretion to waive this clause if both Censors feel
there are legitimate reasons for the citizen to remain incommunicado.

VIII. If a citizen who knows of an extended period of unavailability
that will coincide with the census, he may contact the censors up to 3
months before the census is to begin to inform them of his active status
and his desire to be counted in the census. Such contact will be
considered by the censors as having fulfilled the citizen's duty to
reply during the census period. Proxies are not permitted during the
National Census effort.

IX. A former citizen may appeal to the Senate to have his removal from
the Album Civium reconsidered. Such an appeal must be filed with the
consuls within 90 days of the former citizens removal from the Album
Civium. A 2/3rds vote of the Senate is needed to overturn the decision
of the censors.

X. A budget is to be provided for the Censors' Office to offset costs
for conducting the census. This budget is to be included only for the
years that a Census takes place. The amount to be set aside would be
established by the Senate of Nova Roma.

XI. The First Census will take place during the Consulship of Marcus
Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (2755 AUC).


Subject:	[novaroma] Wallia, Alaric et Theodoric the Great
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Denny=20Stevenson?= <luciussentius@yahoo.com.au>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:04:00 +1000 (EST)

Salvete omnes et quirites,

After a long abscence from the world of Nova Roma due
to work commitments which took me around this wide
world of ours, I have finally returned to the fold,
and I hope to remain fairly active.

I have a question to ask if anyone can help me. I need
some information on Theodoric the Great, Alaric and
Wallia, and was wondering if anyone could recommend
some good books on each of them.

Thanks in advance mi quirites,

Valete bene omnes,

Lucius Sentius Ahenobarbus Quadratus

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Subject:	AW: [novaroma] A question for a Censor.
From:	<3s@hsk-net.de>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:33:10 -0500 (CDT)

Salve, Quite Casso Calve.

"Assidui" means that you paid the tax, as Consul Sulla answered. The cive thumbnail - I presume that you mean "Photo not available" means that you did not submit your photo to the webmaster.

Hope that helps. If there are further questions, please ask.

Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor

-- Original Nachricht--
Von: quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@attbi.com>
An: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
Senden: 01:03
Betreff: [novaroma] A question for a Censor.

Salve,

I was at the Nova Roma website to update my new email address. I
noticed something that I hadn't before. What does the Status:
Assidui mean? Or for that matter what does the status part of the
civi "thumbnail" stand for?

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:47:17 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Luci Corneli et Omnes,

>A former citizen may appeal to the Senate to have his
>removal from the Album Civium reconsidered. Such an
>appeal must be filed with the consuls within 90 days
>of the former citizens removal from the Album Civium.
>A 2/3rds vote of the Senate is needed to overturn the
>decision of the censors.

This appears to me something of an overkill, and
taking up valuable senate time in the process. It is
not inconcievable that 20-30+ citizens may appeal
their removal during this 90 day period, which after
all is a considerable period of time. Is there any
reason why citizens that appeal within the 90 period
do so directly to the Censors.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Roman Names
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:52:54 +0100 (BST)

Salvete,

Does anyone know of a website or other resource that
details meanings behind roman names? I know of a few
personally, but I have had a request from a
non-citizen for a more detailed list.

Any assistance gratefully received.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:46:01 -0700

Ave,

This would be the last resort before a Provactio appeal would be
initiated. I understand you feeling it would be overkill, but I am
trying to implement every conceivable safeguard to prevent a citizen
from being incorrectly removed from the Album Civium. If other citizens
feel this additional protection is unnecessary I would remove it from
the final draft.

Very Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma

Decimus Iunius Silanus wrote:

> Salvete Luci Corneli et Omnes,
>
> >A former citizen may appeal to the Senate to have his
> >removal from the Album Civium reconsidered. Such an
> >appeal must be filed with the consuls within 90 days
> >of the former citizens removal from the Album Civium.
> >A 2/3rds vote of the Senate is needed to overturn the
> >decision of the censors.
>
> This appears to me something of an overkill, and
> taking up valuable senate time in the process. It is
> not inconcievable that 20-30+ citizens may appeal
> their removal during this 90 day period, which after
> all is a considerable period of time. Is there any
> reason why citizens that appeal within the 90 period
> do so directly to the Censors.
>
> Valete
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus.
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:03:43 +0100 (BST)

Salvete,

I understand the necessity for safeguards of course.
How about a staged appeal system. Those appealing
within the first 30 days (or even 60 days) can appeal
directly to the Censors and would automatically be
reinstated as citizens. It could reasonably be
anticipated that most citizens that appeal their
removal would do so within this timeframe.

Those appealing after this period (say 31-90 days or
even 61 to 120 days) would have to appeal to the
Consuls and of course provide good reason for their
absence. Reinstatement as citizen would not be
automatic and the appeal would have to be voted on by
the senate. It may even be appropriate not to have an
upper limit on this time frame.

My rationale behind this is that I think our citizens
are too valuable to be 'discarded' after just an eight
week census, despite the very many attempts to contact
them. Leniency should be advocated for all citizens
who appeal for reinstatement as citizens in the first
couple of months post census.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

This would be the last resort before a Provactio
appeal would be 
initiated. I understand you feeling it would be
overkill, but I am 
trying to implement every conceivable safeguard to
prevent a citizen 
from being incorrectly removed from the Album
Civium. If other citizens 
feel this additional protection is unnecessary I would
remove it from 
the final draft. 
 
Very Respectfully, 
 
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 
Consul of Nova Roma 
 
Decimus Iunius Silanus wrote: 
 
> Salvete Luci Corneli et Omnes, 
> 
> >A former citizen may appeal to the Senate to
have his 
> >removal from the Album Civium reconsidered.
Such an 
> >appeal must be filed with the consuls within
90 days 
> >of the former citizens removal from the Album
Civium. 
> >A 2/3rds vote of the Senate is needed to
overturn the 
> >decision of the censors. 
> 
> This appears to me something of an overkill,
and 
> taking up valuable senate time in the process. It
is 
> not inconcievable that 20-30+ citizens may
appeal 
> their removal during this 90 day period, which
after 
> all is a considerable period of time. Is there
any 
> reason why citizens that appeal within the 90
period 
> do so directly to the Censors. 
> 
> Valete 
> 
> Decimus Iunius Silanus. 
> 
> 
> 
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Wallia, Alaric et Theodoric the Great
From:	"Jakobus Antonis" <godakuns@hotmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:16:27 +0000

Salve..
Good sources on Gutiska Attins:
'History of The Goths' by H. Wolfram
'A History of the Ostrogoths' by Th. Burns
'The Goths' by Heather
-Jakobus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Change of email adress
From:	Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:55:05 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete,

I have changed my email adress to:

scipio_apollonius@hotpop.com

Thank you.

Valete,

=====
Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Acting Praefectus for France

Terrarum dea gentiumque, Roma
Cui par est nihil et nihil secundum.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	"l_cornelius_sulla" <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:27:44 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., Decimus Iunius Silanus <danedwardsuk@y...>
wrote:
> Salvete,

Avete Propraetor et al,

> I understand the necessity for safeguards of course.
> How about a staged appeal system. Those appealing
> within the first 30 days (or even 60 days) can appeal
> directly to the Censors and would automatically be
> reinstated as citizens. It could reasonably be
> anticipated that most citizens that appeal their
> removal would do so within this timeframe.

We have is how it wthat. Here ould work. Say 20 days after the
Census is completed Lucius Tiddlypus gets his computer working, its
been down for 6-8 months. Gets his emails and discovers NR has
conducted a Census. It is now past the deadline his first appeal
would go directly to the Censors. He would contact them saying that
he has been out of communciation (no computer, out of the country so
no phone calls or snail mail reached him). He would at that point
request the Censors to reinstate him with no penalty. At this
juncture the Censors can accept his statement or deny it. If the
Censors deny the petition, he can either request a provactio or
appeal to the Senate. The reason we included the Senate appeal is
because it would be faster. The Senate, on average is summoned
monthly. The People might not be. There have been Consulships where
it has been summoned every quarter, approximately. And in a case
such as this I think it would be prudent to have this serious matter
resolved quickly.

> Those appealing after this period (say 31-90 days or
> even 61 to 120 days) would have to appeal to the
> Consuls and of course provide good reason for their
> absence. Reinstatement as citizen would not be
> automatic and the appeal would have to be voted on by
> the senate. It may even be appropriate not to have an
> upper limit on this time frame.

Technically, every appeal would end up going to the Consuls. If
Lucius Tiddlypuss utilized the appeal to the Senate it would, most
likely, be the Consuls who would get the petition and bring it before
the Senate. The same would go with the provactio.

> My rationale behind this is that I think our citizens
> are too valuable to be 'discarded' after just an eight
> week census, despite the very many attempts to contact
> them. Leniency should be advocated for all citizens
> who appeal for reinstatement as citizens in the first
> couple of months post census.

The purpose of the Census is not to "discard" our citizens. This law
is very proactive. We are going to take every reasonable measure to
contact our citizens who are in the "inactive" category. Email,
Telephone, Snail mail and other forms of communication are going to
be utilized in an attempt to re-acquaint our "inactive" citizens with
Nova Roma in the hope that they might become involved once again in
this wonderful community, that is Nova Roma. The appeals process
that is built into the lex is about as open as it can be, IMHO.

Very Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul of Nova Roma

> Valete
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus.
>
>
>
> This would be the last resort before a Provactio
> appeal would be 
> initiated. I understand you feeling it would be
> overkill, but I am 
> trying to implement every conceivable safeguard to
> prevent a citizen 
> from being incorrectly removed from the Album
> Civium. If other citizens 
> feel this additional protection is unnecessary I would
> remove it from 
> the final draft. 
> 
> Very Respectfully, 
> 
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 
> Consul of Nova Roma 
> 
> Decimus Iunius Silanus wrote: 
> 
> > Salvete Luci Corneli et Omnes, 
> > 
> > >A former citizen may appeal to the Senate to
> have his 
> > >removal from the Album Civium reconsidered.
> Such an 
> > >appeal must be filed with the consuls within
> 90 days 
> > >of the former citizens removal from the Album
> Civium. 
> > >A 2/3rds vote of the Senate is needed to
> overturn the 
> > >decision of the censors. 
> > 
> > This appears to me something of an overkill,
> and 
> > taking up valuable senate time in the process. It
> is 
> > not inconcievable that 20-30+ citizens may
> appeal 
> > their removal during this 90 day period, which
> after 
> > all is a considerable period of time. Is there
> any 
> > reason why citizens that appeal within the 90
> period 
> > do so directly to the Censors. 
> > 
> > Valete 
> > 
> > Decimus Iunius Silanus. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:55:42 +0100 (BST)

Salve,

>The purpose of the Census is not to 'discard' our
>citizens. This law is very proactive. We are going to
>take every reasonable measure to contact our citizens
>who are in the 'inactive' category. Email, Telephone,
>Snail mail and other forms of communication are going
>to be utilized in an attempt to re-acquaint >our
'inactive' citizens with Nova Roma in the hope >that
they might become involved once again in this
>wonderful community, that is Nova Roma. The appeals
>process that is built into the lex is about as open
>as it can be, IMHO.

Do not misunderstand me. This lex has my full support
and I certainly do not see it as a way of 'discarding'
citizens. A realistic picture of how many of our
current citizens still 'percieve' themselves to be
citizens and remain dedicated to NR can only be a good
thing. Removing the 'dead wood' will certainly be of
great help to me in my role as Propraetor. My only
concern is that there are a million and one reasons
why semi-active or future potentially active citizens
may be inactive for any length of time, and every
safeguard must be in place to ensure that these
citizens are not unnecessarily removed from the
citizens roles. This is in addition to not bogging
down our extremely busy Consuls and of course the
senate in endless and needless appeals. Thus my call
for leniency in any appeals process, and possible
automatic reinstatement as citizens by the censors if
an appeal is made within a reasonable length of time.
After all, an 8 week census is quite a short space of
time, no matter what attempts are made to contact
respective citizens.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	"deciusiunius" <bcatfd@together.net>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:22:57 -0000

--- In novaroma@y..., Decimus Iunius Silanus <danedwardsuk@y...>
wrote:
> Salvete Luci Corneli et Omnes,
>
> >A former citizen may appeal to the Senate to have his
> >removal from the Album Civium reconsidered. Such an
> >appeal must be filed with the consuls within 90 days
> >of the former citizens removal from the Album Civium.
> >A 2/3rds vote of the Senate is needed to overturn the
> >decision of the censors.
>
> This appears to me something of an overkill, and
> taking up valuable senate time in the process. It is
> not inconcievable that 20-30+ citizens may appeal
> their removal during this 90 day period, which after
> all is a considerable period of time. Is there any
> reason why citizens that appeal within the 90 period
> do so directly to the Censors.

Because it would be the censors that removed those citizens to begin
with. Presumably those appealing would want someone reviewing their
case other than the people who had just removed them from the Album
Civium.

It is potentially a lot of work but there is no other logical court
of appeals above the censors.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius


Subject:	[novaroma] Academia Announcement: Looking for Praeceptores (Lectors)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:03:00 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites.

As you perhaps are already aware of, the Academia has been planning a
Basic Roman History course that will begin next week.

We ae also planning future History courses, but we need your
cooperation. We are looking for people willing to impart one (or more)
of these History courses.

We at the Academia can't offer much as payment, except our gratitude
and, perhaps, the gratitude of our students. But heck, we are not
getting paid for this either, so if we are enthusiastic enough to
dedicate time and effort to this project, maybe it is worth it. Don't
you think? ;-).

If you are interested in being a praeceptor at the Academia, please
contact the procurator Academiae, Caius Curius Saturninus, at:
insulaumbra@fiasco.fi

or you can visit the Academia web site at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/

Thank you for your time and attention.

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Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Thules
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Proposed Census Law (title needed)
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@yahoo.es>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:55:51 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Quirites.

I would like to add a few personal comments on consul Sulla's proposal
for a census law.

I know that some benefits would derive from such a measure; namely, we
would have a better knowledge of how many people actually belong to
Nova Roma. However, this census proposal, as it is, does not provide
many benefits beyond expulsing unresponsive citizens. It seems to me a
huge waste of time and effort (and possibly money, if the Senate
approves for a budget to pay for a phone call and a snail mail letter
to *every* unresponsive citizen) for something that has practically
been attained through the Lex Vedia de Capiti Censi.

I am trying to be constructive, though. I have suggested consul Sulla
to add something else to make this census worth the effort. I suggested
an identity check as an additional feature for this census; that is,
that each citizen should send (just for the first census) some ID proof
(passport, driving permit, etc). Name and date of birth would be
enough, and this could be done either through fax, scanner or snail
mail.

This would add some value to the huge effort that a census represents;
beyond knowing who actually replies to an approach from the censores,
we would verify (just needed to be done once for each citizen) some
personal information that is very important for us to actually
implement *our* legislation in a coherent manner. Under our current
circumstances, a minor (or even worse; a convicted criminal, according
to our laws, or we could even have a "duplicated" citizen) can apply
for citizenship under a false name and/or age. This circumstance leaves
many of our current legislation (like the Cursus Honorum laws) without
meaning, since they can not be adequately enforced.

Consul Sulla, however, thinks that this proposal would add too much
bureaucracy to his census project. That is, certainly, his opinion; and
he is entitled to such an opinion.

I, however, have a different opinion. I hope I have been able to
express it without offending anyone.

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Subject:	[novaroma] A Thank You
From:	"quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@attbi.com>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:13:26 -0000

Salve,

Just a quick thank you to Consul Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix and
Censor Caius Flavius Diocletianus for a quick answer to my question.

Pax,

Quintus Cassius Calvus


Subject:	[novaroma] Taxes
From:	Valerian75@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:19:12 EDT

Salvete!

How does one pay the tax if it has not been paid? Many thanks!!

Valete,
Lucia Ambrosia Valeria
Valerian75@aol.com

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Subject:	[novaroma] Question...
From:	"corvus_cassius_taurusis" <corvus_cassius_taurusis@yahoo.com>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:31:11 -0000

A friend of mine has applied to join us last Janurary and has nor word
from from anyone within the application prosess. Is there something
going on causing a delay?
Corvus Cassius Taurusis


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Question...
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@earthlink.net>
Date:	Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:53:59 -0700

Ave,

If there is a vote ongoing he cannot be approved. My best
recommendation would be to have him contact the Censors they could give
him a status on his application.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Consul

corvus_cassius_taurusis wrote:

> A friend of mine has applied to join us last Janurary and has nor
> word
> from from anyone within the application prosess. Is there something
> going on causing a delay?
> Corvus Cassius Taurusis
>
>
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