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Subject:	[novaroma] Testimonium Discessionis Senati Ianuarii MMDCCLV (Report on Senate Votations - January 2002)
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Date:	Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:01:42 +0000 (GMT)

Tribunus Plebis Gnaeus Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.

Ex Officio Tribunorum Plebis:

The Senate has finished its latest session, and the votes have been
tallied by Tribunus Marcus Arminius Maior and by myself.

The following 16 Senatores cast votes. They are referred to below by
their initials, and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen:
Patricia Cassia (PC)
Marcus Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (LCSF)
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo (PCS)
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (LEC)
Quintus Fabius Maximus (QFM)
Caius Flavius Diocletianus (CFD)
Antonius Gryllus Graecus (AGG)
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus (DIPI)
Marcus Iunius Iulianus (MII)
Titus Labienus Fortunatus (TLF)
Gaius Marius Merullus (CMM)
Marcus Minucius Audens (MMA)
Marcus Octavius Germanicus (MOG)
Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus (LSAO)
Flavius Vedius Germanicus (FVG)

The following Senatores did not vote:
Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonius
Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Gaius Tullius Triumphius Cicero

Some items needs 2/3 majority vote to be approved.
With 16 Senatores voting, this 2/3 majority will be reached with at
least 11 senatores voting UTI ROGAS (yes).

"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote
against, and "ABSTINEO" is an abstention.

The items for consideration are as follows:

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ITEM I. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Correctione Incorporatonis

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described
by the Lex Vedia de Correctione Incorporatonis, which
was passed by the Comitia Centuriata in October 2001,
are hereby ratified. The copy of the Constitution as
maintained in the Tabularium section of the
Novaroma.org website shall be updated accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this measure.]

*PASSED* Unanimously. YES, 16; NO, 0; ABSTENTION, 0.

- The Lex Vedia de Correctione Incorporatione will be added to the
Tabularium.

PC UTI ROGAS.
MCJ UTI ROGAS.
LCSF UTI ROGAS.
PCS UTI ROGAS.
LEC UTI ROGAS.
QFM UTI ROGAS.
CFD UTI ROGAS.
AGG UTI ROGAS.
DIPI UTI ROGAS.
MII UTI ROGAS.
TLF UTI ROGAS.
CMM UTI ROGAS. I vote to ratify the lex.
MMA UTI ROGAS.
MOG UTI ROGAS.
LSAO UTI ROGAS.
FVG UTI ROGAS.

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Item II. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Provinciis

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described by the Lex Vedia
de Provinciis, which was passed by the Comitia Centuriata in October
2001, are hereby ratified. The copy of the Constitution as maintained
in the Tabularium section of the Novaroma.org website shall be updated
accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this measure.]

*PASSED* YES, 15; NO, 1; ABSTENTION, 0.

- The Lex Vedia de Provinciis will be added to the Tabularium.

PC UTI ROGAS.
MCJ UTI ROGAS.
LCSF UTI ROGAS.
PCS UTI ROGAS.
LEC UTI ROGAS.
QFM UTI ROGAS.
CFD UTI ROGAS.
AGG UTI ROGAS.
DIPI UTI ROGAS.
MII UTI ROGAS.
TLF UTI ROGAS.
CMM ANTIQUO. I vote against ratification of this lex. I believe that
it alters the constitution to the detriment of the provinces, and
removes useful standardized titles for provincial governors, without
providing any substantial benefit. It is a definite step backward as
far as I can tell.
MMA UTI ROGAS.
MOG UTI ROGAS.
LSAO UTI ROGAS.
FVG UTI ROGAS.

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Item III. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Tribuni (or, in proper
Latin: Lex Vedia de Tribunis)

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described by the Lex Vedia
de Tribuni, which was passed by the Comitia Centuriata in December
2001, are hereby ratified. The copy of the Constitution as maintained
in the Tabularium section of the Novaroma.org website shall be updated
accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this measure.]

*PASSED* YES, 12; NO, 1; ABSTENTION, 3.

- The Lex Vedia de Tribunis will be added to the Tabularium.

PC UTI ROGAS.
MCJ UTI ROGAS.
LCSF UTI ROGAS.
PCS UTI ROGAS.
LEC ABSTINEO.
QFM ANTIQUO. I'm still not certain enough safeguards are in place, to
avoid the mad tribunes scenario that has been discused.
CFD ABSTINEO.
AGG UTI ROGAS.
DIPI ABSTINEO.
MII UTI ROGAS.
TLF UTI ROGAS.
CMM UTI ROGAS. I vote to ratify the lex, and also move that its title
be corrected to Lex Vedia de Tribunis.
MMA UTI ROGAS.
MOG UTI ROGAS.
LSAO UTI ROGAS.
FVG UTI ROGAS.

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Item IV. Ratification of the Lex Vedia de Liberus Civium (or, in proper
Latin: Lex Vedia de Liberis Civium)

The changes to the Constitution of Nova Roma described by the Lex Vedia
de Liberus Civium, which was passed by the Comitia Centuriata in
December 2001, are hereby ratified. The copy of the Constitution as
maintained in the Tabularium section of the Novaroma.org website
shall be updated accordingly.

[A 2/3 supermajority is required to pass this measure.]

*PASSED* Unanimously. YES, 16; NO, 0; ABSTENTION, 0.

- The Lex Vedia de Liberis Civium will be added to the Tabularium.

PC UTI ROGAS.
MCJ UTI ROGAS.
LCSF UTI ROGAS.
PCS UTI ROGAS.
LEC UTI ROGAS.
QFM UTI ROGAS.
CFD UTI ROGAS.
AGG UTI ROGAS.
DIPI UTI ROGAS.
MII UTI ROGAS.
TLF UTI ROGAS.
CMM UTI ROGAS. I vote to ratify the lex, and also move that its title
be corrected to Lex Vedia de Liberis Civium.
MMA UTI ROGAS.
MOG UTI ROGAS.
LSAO UTI ROGAS.
FVG UTI ROGAS.

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Item V. Modification of Senatus Consultum on Taxation

Whereas it has been determined that requiring bonding for those
individuals entrusted to handle official funds is too expensive to
undertake under our current circumstances, paragraph IV.B. of the
Senatus Consultum on Taxation (passed in July 2001), which requires all
appointed publicanii to be so bonded, is hereby eliminated from that
Senatus Consultum.

*PASSED* YES, 13; NO, 0; ABSTENTION, 2.

PC UTI ROGAS.
MCJ UTI ROGAS.
LCSF ABSTINEO. The reason I am abstianing for this is due to the fact
that eventually our Publicani, when we have them, will need to be
bonded.
PCS ABSTINEO. I am not against taxation, but I think a couple of
items need to be clarified before I am fully comfortable with the
verbage of this consultum, as modified.
LEC UTI ROGAS.
QFM UTI ROGAS.
CFD UTI ROGAS.
AGG UTI ROGAS.
DIPI UTI ROGAS.
MII UTI ROGAS.
TLF UTI ROGAS.
CMM UTI ROGAS.
MMA UTI ROGAS.
MOG UTI ROGAS.
LSAO UTI ROGAS.
FVG UTI ROGAS.

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Item VI. Nomination of Priscilla Vedia Serena

The Censores are hereby notified that, in accordance with the Lex Vedia
Senatoria, Priscilla Vedia Serena, in recognition of her service to the
Republic as Curatrix Sermo and her long-standing dedication and
involvement in Nova Roman affairs since its inception, is hereby
nominated for inclusion in the Senate.

*PASSED* YES, 10; NO, 3; ABSTENTION, 2.

- The name of Priscilla Vedia Serena is added to the senatorial roll of
approved names, suggested to the Censores to be added to the Album
Senatorium, at their discretion.

PC UTI ROGAS. I vote "Uti rogas" (yes) to all seven items, with a
special commendation to Priscilla Vedia, whose service and dedication
will be welcome in this body.
MCJ UTI ROGAS.
LCSF ABSTINEO. I believe (despite the current laws) that all
nominations that are made should consult the Censors BEFORE placing
them before the Senate.
PCS UTI ROGAS. Although I am not fully comfortable for the timing of
these nominations, for reasons on which I will elaborate more fully in
a separate correspondence, I shall abide by the law as it reads
and judge Priscilla Vedia Serena on her merits, and not on any personal
trepidation regarding the timing. Priscilla, on the basis of your
service to the respublica, and your wisdom and virtue, I say UTI
ROGAS.
LEC ANTIQUO. As stated earlier, "I would have preferred to have been
consulted, along with my colleague and future colleague, before a list
of candidates was proposed. As I had posted (even) earlier on this
subject, I will consider additional Senatores only after the completion
of the elections, when it will be known who must be added by law before
the addition of Senator is contemplated."
QFM UTI ROGAS. Priscilla Vedia Serena has surprised me with her zeal
and diligence, despite having a child this year. Nova Roma needs
devoted people like her, and hopefully she will set an example for our
other non senatorial female magistrates.
CFD ANTIQUO. I´m ambivalent. Serena and I were opposing candidates
and during the election campaign we clashed few times. But this is not
a reason for me to vote against. I appreciate her dedication to the
res publica and her past and current work as Curatrix Sermonem. But, as
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla stated correctly
in my eyes, the Censores should be consulted before candidates for
the Senate are nominated. This is not a vote against the person Serena,
my decision is based on procedural considerations.
AGG ANTIQUO. Latin should be the official language of Nova Roma and
thus excempt from Censorial restrictions on language. Those who betray
Latinitas betray Romanitas.
DIPI UTI ROGAS.
Both Flavius Vedius and Lucius Equitius are right in this matter.
Flavius Vedius was strictly within his legal rights as consul to
nominate whomever he pleased to the list of senatorial candidates for
the senate to vote upon. It would have been good form, however, to
have the nomination of his wife put forward by his consular colleague
and to have personally abstained on the item. Lucius Equitius is right
when he says it would have been common courtesy for Flavius Vedius to
have consulted or at least informed the censors ahead of time of the
people he intended to nominate. In the end the censors make the
decision as to who will join the senate so it would be ethically right
though not legally required that they be consulted ahead of time.

I am a little surprised at Flavius Vedius' reaction to Lucius Equitius
and I ask that he see things through his eyes. 2 years ago, in the
closing days of my consulship I nominated 3 people to be voted upon by
the senate. I was also censor and took it for granted that my
colleague, Flavius Vedius, would have no objections to my nominations.
While he had no objections to my candidates he did object to me that I
had not consulted or informed him ahead of time of what I intended to
do, saying it would have been common courtesy. Flavius Vedius was right
then and Lucius Equitius is right now.
Obviously by what I have said I was initally inclined to abstain on
these items but will not since what I have talked of is not in the
letter of the law but rather its spirit.
Priscilla Vedia Serena has served Nova Roma well over the last year
and has been with us since the beginnning. She is obviously dedicated
to our nation and capable. I vote that she be added to the list of
potential senate candidates for the censors to consult as they may
wish, at their discretion.
MII UTI ROGAS.
TLF UTI ROGAS.
CMM ABSTINEO. With no disrespect meant to the Consules or the
candidate, I believe that the process of accession to the Senate needs
clarification.
MMA UTI ROGAS. Both Serena and Quintillianus haved worked hard for
Nova Roma, and have labored in her cause unceaseingly.
MOG UTI ROGAS.
LSAO UTI ROGAS. Some may expect that I would be cool to this
nomination because P. Vedia and I have clashed in the past over her
conduct of her duties as list moderator. I reject that as a valid
reason to oppose her nomination to the Senate. Good and reasonable
people may disagree, sometimes sharply. I am inclined to abstain
because I agree with others that this method is somewhat ahistorical.
The Censores still have the sole authority to determine whether those
nominated join the Senate, but for us to nominate someone puts the
Censores "on the spot" to reject them. I am also a little uncomfortable
that P. Vedia's name is put forward by her husband. Without prejudice
as to her qualifications, that seems vaguely improper. Perhaps it is
not, but it "feels" that way to me. It might have been better if
someone else had put her name forward. All of that being said, I must
agree with F. Vedius that the law that we have put on the books is the
law we must follow unless and until it is changed. The desireability of
the process itself is not what is before us right now, nor the
propriety of nomination by one's spouse. P. Vedia has been a fighter
for Nova Roma and deserves to be considered by the Censores for
inclusion in the Senate. Therefore L. Sergius Australicus votes Uti
Rogas (yes).
FVG UTI ROGAS.
QFM UTI ROGAS.
MMA UTI ROGAS.
LSAO UTI ROGAS.

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Item VII. Nomination of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

The Censores are hereby notified that, in accordance with the Lex Vedia
Senatoria, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, in recognition of his service to
the Republic as an outstanding and extraordinarily active Governor of
Provincia Thule, is hereby nominated for inclusion in the Senate.

*PASSED* YES, 11; NO, 2; ABSTENTION, 2.

- The name of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus is added to the senatorial roll
of approved names, suggested to the Censores to be added to the Album
Senatorium, at their discretion.

PC UTI ROGAS.
MCJ UTI ROGAS.
LCSF ABSTINEO. I believe (despite the current laws) that all
nominations that are made should consult the Censors BEFORE placing
them before the Senate.
PCS UTI ROGAS. Again, objectively judging the candidate for his
contributions to the respublica and his personal merits, I believe he
will be a contributory Senator for Nova Roma.
LEC ANTIQUO.
As stated earlier,"I would have preferred to have been consulted,
along with my colleague and future colleague, before a list of
candidates was proposed. As I had posted (even) earlier on this
subject, I will consider additional Senatores only after the completion
of the elections, when it will be known who must be added by law before
the addition of Senator is contemplated."
When my new colleague and I have had time to discuss the matter of
whether or not to add any additional Senator(es) and who they might be,
we will then contact the Consules with a list of candidates and how
many from the list will be considered. I hope the next time this
subject is brought before the Senate the actual keepers of the 'Album
Senatorium' are consulted.
QFM UTI ROGAS. No I won't abstain. This August body needs dedicated
Provincial Praetors such as Fabius. Especially in Europe. What better
way to reward hard work and deligence then the marble bench? Nova Roma
needs this, gentlemen. I'm sorry some of you don't see that. If the
Censors wish, we should review this lex. After all I will be Censor
someday, and I would hope my interpretation of the lex is correct. If
it is not, then it should be corrected with clearer language.
CFD ANTIQUO. ...due to the same reasons I wrote above.
AGG UTI ROGAS.
DIPI UTI ROGAS. Another excellent candidate to be added to the list of
potential senate candidates for the censors to consult as they may
wish, at their discretion.
MII UTI ROGAS.
TLF UTI ROGAS, with pleasure.
CMM ABSTINEO. With no disrespect meant to the Consules or the
candidate, I believe that the process of accession to the Senate needs
clarification.
MMA UTI ROGAS. Both Serena and Quintillianus haved worked hard for
Nova Roma, and have labored in her cause unceaseingly.
MOG UTI ROGAS.
The Censores do not intend to create any new Senators immediately, and
it is unknown when they will. That decision is solely theirs.
We, the Senate, are empowered to add names to the pool of candidates
who might eventually be considered for admission to this August body.
Priscilla Vedia Serena and Caeso Fabius Quintillianus are both worthy
of such.
LSAO UTI ROGAS.
FVG UTI ROGAS.

Presented to the people of Nova Roma for general knowledge a.d. VIII
Idibus Ianuarii (January the 6th) in the year of the consulship of
Marcus Octavius Germanicus and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.

Gnaeus Salix Astur, tribunus plebis.
Marcus Arminius Maior, tribunus plebis.

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Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Lictor Curiatus.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 1795
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:18:47 -0500 (EST)

Mistress Prima Ritulia Nocta;

Thank you so much for your very kind information regarding the wax
tablets. I have copied both the pictures of the tablet and the
procedures for constructing them.

I have begun work on a set of tablets for my Roman Kit. I just today
found a very nice brass oil lamp, and will begin to make a new handle
for it as it was broken off. Since the lamp was available for just a few
dollars, I thought it a good bargain.

Respectfully,

Marcus Minucius Audens

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Subject:	[novaroma] Quaestor List
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:45:25 -0500 (EST)

Honored Consul Octavia Germanicus and Nova Roma Quaestors;

I had, prior to the elections, indicated that a Quaestor's List may well
be advantageous to have. That was before the Junior Consul created his
Magistrate's List. Since many of those who are Magistrates, also are
busy with other venues, I have heard them say often that they do not
have either the time or the inclination to belong to "another list."
Therefore, I am asking the concerned Magistrates, before the fact,
rather than after the fact. I will be glad to establish a Quaestor's
List if the interest is there, since I believe that such a list would
serve Nova Roma well.

In the areas of Budget establishment, the growing financial
responsibility within NR, and the possible establishment of a Financial
Committee, as I have previously suggested to Consul Octavius Germanicus.
I had suggested such a committee last year, but the idea was rejected by
the Consuls (at least I was never asked to take part). The search for a
way to bond the Quaestors at a cheaper rate than has been indicated
previously, and the determinations of how each Quaestor can be used
effectively within Nova Roma. Last year there were at least two elected
Quaestors who had absolutely nothing to do during the whole year. That
is sad considering that these people were elected by the Citizens of
Nova Roma for a specific task. Above are my few ideas that might
benefit Nova Roma in the establishment of such a list.

I am sure that each of the other Quaestors can think of some other
equally good reasons for establishing such a Quaestor List.

So, If there is an interest in doing so, I shall be pleased to establish
such a list. I would ask that all duly elected Qaestors please contact
me with their ideas and whether or not they believe that such a List
would be advantageous to them. I am reluctant to put anyone on a List
without thier permission, since I am well aware of the problems that can
arise, when others do not consider an individual's personal computer
shortcomings.

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

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Subject:	[novaroma] EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS PROVINCIAE LACUUM MAGNORUM
From:	Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@yahoo.com>
Date:	Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:58:57 -0800 (PST)

EX DOMO PROPRAETORIS PROVINCIAE LACUUM MAGNORUM
EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS

Effective ante diem VII Id. IANVARII MMDCCLV a.u.c. (7
January 2002), I, Marcus Ascipio Africanus, accept the
Senate's appointment to the Propraetorship of the
Provincia Lacus Magni, and issue this edict.

I. The Provincial web site shall remain:
http://romanrepublic.org/lacusmagni/
On it shall be placed all provincial edicts and
contact information for magistrates.

II. Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator, resident of
Illinois, shall remain Legatus of Lacus Magni
Occidentalis (Western Regio), which is comprised of
the states of Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana. He
shall serve as a local contact for citizens in that
Region, to preside at local events, and to perform
administrative tasks for the province as a whole.

III. Marcus Bianchius Antonius, resident of Ohio,
shall be appointed Legatus of Lacus Magni Orientalis
(Eastern Regio), which is comprised of the states of
Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky. He shall
serve as a local contact for citizens in that Region,
to preside at local events, and to perform
administrative tasks for the province as a whole.

IV. The former Propraetor, Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
shall be appointed Retiarus.

V. Prima Fabia Drusila shall be appointed Scriba
Propraetoris

VI. The mailing list GreatLakesNovaRoma@egroups.com,
established by a former propraetor, is still to be
considered the official and preferred channel for
provincial communications. All provincial Magistrates
shall have moderator powers.

Signed,
M. Scipio Africanus
Propraetor

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Subject:	[novaroma] I, Claudius?!?
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Craig=20Stevenson?= <gaiussentius@yahoo.com.au>
Date:	Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:04:36 +1100 (EST)

Salvete omnes,

I was just wondering if anyone out there can tell me
just how much of the story "I, Claudius" can be said
to be actual fact and reliably based on factual
evidence?

Valete bene omnes,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

"I, Tiberius Claudius this-that-and-the-other,
otherwise known as Claudius the Idiot, and
Cl-Cl-Cl-Claudius the Stammerer...." - I, Claudius

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] I, Claudius?!?
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Date:	Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:50:37 +0000 (GMT)

Salve Cai Senti,

Although undoubtedly a classic, I Claudius relies
heavily on the author's interpretation of the motives
and personalities of the characters involved. This is
to make the publication and consequent dramatisation
popular amongst a audience not necessarily that
interested in Roman history. Nevertheless, who can
honestly say what the members of the Imperial family
were truly like in this, or any other, era.

Any study of any period of Roman history must rely
heavily on writers such as Tacitus and Dio. However,
these people wrote their histories many years after
the events they described, and were not without their
own bias.

I for one think that Livia, the wife of Augustus, was
done a grave disservice. However, the performance of
Sian Phillips in that role must be one of the best
pieces of acting ever witnessed.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus

I was just wondering if anyone out there can tell
me 
just how much of the story "I, Claudius" can
be said 
to be actual fact and reliably based on factual 
evidence? 
 
Valete bene omnes, 
 
Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura 
 
"I, Tiberius Claudius
this-that-and-the-other, 
otherwise known as Claudius the Idiot, and 
Cl-Cl-Cl-Claudius the Stammerer...." - I,
Claudius 
 
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Subject:	[novaroma] PROVINCIA ITALIA WEBSITE
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@libero.it>
Date:	Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:35:16 +0100

Franciscus Apulus Caesar omnibus S.P.D.

I'm proud to announce the first official website of the Provincia Italia:

http://provinciaitalia.f2g.net

Provincia Italia website contains informations about the government and the
people of the Provincia, the historia of Penisola Italica, historical maps,
Tourist informations like accomodations, most important monuments and
usefull guides to entry in Nova Roma for the italians.
The website is in italian and in english and soon we hope to build a version
to the Dacia in roumanian, with the help of Marcus Prometheus.
It's not accomplished, but we thing to finish in few weeks and improve it as
a big cultural and social european centre.

This is the work of few italici citizens, Gaius Quirinus Italicus, Manius
Constantinus Serapio and me, during six hard months.

This website is the firt step to the re-launch of Provincia Italia, one of
the most populous provinciae but in this moment very inactive and
not-important. It is headquarter for the active italici and our presentation
for the new citizens we put in Nova Roma. Here you can read our mailing
list, forum, chat and next newsletter.
It's my personal and important job because it's my first real action as
canidate as Propraetor. I'm just the "front-line" of a group of good
citizens wants to see Provincia Italia important, big and rich as under
Ancient Rome.

Gratiam et valete.

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Quaestor, Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://provinciaitalia.f2g.net
Alme Sol ... Possis Nihil Urbe Roma Visere Maius
Support me as Propraetor Italiae Provinciae
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Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
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Web Nova Roman Experiments - http://lab.novaroma.org/wnre


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Quaestor List
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gaius=20Quirinus=20Caesar?= <gaius_quirinus_caesar@yahoo.it>
Date:	Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:58:15 +0100 (CET)

Salve Marce Minuci,
it's a great idea, i'm with you and will be the first
to subscribe a list like this!

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Honored Consul Octavia Germanicus and Nova Roma
Quaestors; 
 
I had, prior to the elections, indicated that a
Quaestor's List may well 
be advantageous to have. That was before the
Junior Consul created his 
Magistrate's List. Since many of those who are
Magistrates, also are 
busy with other venues, I have heard them say often
that they do not 
have either the time or the inclination to belong to
"another list." 
Therefore, I am asking the concerned Magistrates,
before the fact, 
rather than after the fact. I will be glad to
establish a Quaestor's 
List if the interest is there, since I believe that
such a list would 
serve Nova Roma well. 
 
In the areas of Budget establishment, the growing
financial 
responsibility within NR, and the possible
establishment of a Financial 
Committee, as I have previously suggested to Consul
Octavius Germanicus. 
I had suggested such a committee last year, but the
idea was rejected by 
the Consuls (at least I was never asked to take
part). The search for a 
way to bond the Quaestors at a cheaper rate than has
been indicated 
previously, and the determinations of how each
Quaestor can be used 
effectively within Nova Roma. Last year there
were at least two elected 
Quaestors who had absolutely nothing to do during the
whole year. That 
is sad considering that these people were elected by
the Citizens of 
Nova Roma for a specific task. Above are my few
ideas that might 
benefit Nova Roma in the establishment of such a
list. 
 
I am sure that each of the other Quaestors can think
of some other 
equally good reasons for establishing such a Quaestor
List. 
 
So, If there is an interest in doing so, I shall be
pleased to establish 
such a list. I would ask that all duly elected
Qaestors please contact 
me with their ideas and whether or not they believe
that such a List 
would be advantageous to them. I am reluctant to
put anyone on a List 
without thier permission, since I am well aware of the
problems that can 
arise, when others do not consider an individual's
personal computer 
shortcomings. 
 
Very Respectfully; 
 
Marcus Minucius Audens 
 
 
 
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!! 
 
 
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href="http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary">http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary</a> 
 
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: I, Claudius?!?
From:	"pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:10:00 -0000

---Salvete Decimi, Gai Sente et alii:

I think that in this production the acting/casting was commendable in
"I Claudius". Derek Jacobi was excellent as Claudius. I didn't
realize what a versatile actor he truly was until I saw him in Other
productions, one being a BBC series with him playing a medieval
detective monk, darned if I can remember the name of that one.

I watched an Interview with Robert Graves, author of "I Claudius"
(actually it's tagged on to the last episode of "I Claudius" in the
version I rented), where he said he focused on his readings of Tacitus
and Suetonius.

With respect to the historical accuracy of the Grave's account, I
agree with Decime that it is inevitably slanted to bring readers and
enjoyment of the story, and not necessarily to teach history.

Many historians,I have read, and perhaps Quintus Fabius would comment
on this, feel that Tacitus' accounts of the JulioClaudians are so
full of information and conclusions about their personal lives and,
ahem, behaviours, that they question the objectivity of his accounts.

So, what "I Claudius" could be, is historical sensationalism, based on
primary-source historical sensationalism :) Hard to say.

Graves, I glean from the interview, placed alot of passion into this
project, and I suspect he had some personal faith in Claudius. I have
been told by one person, unofficially, that he worshipped Claudius.
Anyone know? I am intrigued by his comment in the interview regarding
a first attempt at producing "I Claudius" with Charles Laughin as
Claudius. He said "I don't think Claudius liked it". It's uncanny,
the whole project went for a *major* following a couple of minor
setbacks.......it's like it was not meant to be.

Just some thoughts,

Pompeia Cornelia Strabo

In novaroma@y..., Decimus Iunius Silanus <danedwardsuk@y...>
wrote:
> Salve Cai Senti,
>
> Although undoubtedly a classic, I Claudius relies
> heavily on the author's interpretation of the motives
> and personalities of the characters involved. This is
> to make the publication and consequent dramatisation
> popular amongst a audience not necessarily that
> interested in Roman history. Nevertheless, who can
> honestly say what the members of the Imperial family
> were truly like in this, or any other, era.
>
> Any study of any period of Roman history must rely
> heavily on writers such as Tacitus and Dio. However,
> these people wrote their histories many years after
> the events they described, and were not without their
> own bias.
>
> I for one think that Livia, the wife of Augustus, was
> done a grave disservice. However, the performance of
> Sian Phillips in that role must be one of the best
> pieces of acting ever witnessed.
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
>
>
> I was just wondering if anyone out there can tell
> me 
> just how much of the story "I, Claudius" can
> be said 
> to be actual fact and reliably based on factual 
> evidence? 
> 
> Valete bene omnes, 
> 
> Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura 
> 
> "I, Tiberius Claudius
> this-that-and-the-other, 
> otherwise known as Claudius the Idiot, and 
> Cl-Cl-Cl-Claudius the Stammerer...." - I,
> Claudius 
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Subject:	[novaroma] Election of a Praetor
From:	jmath669642reng@webtv.net
Date:	Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:00:02 -0600 (CST)

Citizens of Nova Roma;

I am come before you to discuss the necessity of electing a second
Praetor. For some time now for a variety of reasons Nova Roma has not
been served by two strong Praetors. You have just elected one, Pompeia
Cornelia Strabo, and now we need to elect another.

The two candidates are equal in several ways, both are Senators, Q.
Fabius has served the Cursus Honorium and Labienus has served as Tribune
Civicum. Both have been very active n the Main List and on many
occasions have provided thier views on situations which have faced the
micronation in thier own unique ways.

They are both colleagues of mine, both as Magistrates and as Senators.
I have disagreed with both, and have been pleased to act in concert with
both on some very important activities. Q. Fabius was my Consular
Colleague and Labienus was a trusted member of a special activity
undertaken for a Consular Request, so I can say, from personal
experience, that both are interested, both are qualified and both are
eager candidates. It is therefore with the knowledge of how difficult
it will be to choose between these two candidates, that I share with you
my reasons for my selection of one over the other. This is not a dig at
one or a praise of another, but simply what I have come to determine for
my own use, and I thought perhaps you might be interested.

My association with Q. Fabius has been a close one, but at times it has
been a bit rocky as well, since I have had many questions of my
colleague and have recieved aswers to about half of them. Don't get me
wrong, he has done many things that are worthwhle, but I would just have
liked to have a little more informtion since I was supposed to be acting
in concert wih him. My colleague Q.Fabius tends to think and act along
a linear line, once determining the problem and a solution he rushes to
convince others of it's necessity. He sometime loses his temper and by
so doing worsens the situation. He has some very strong ideas regarding
the make-up of Nova Roma and sometimes (not very often) he indicates his
true feelings about some things that would be better left unsaid as a
Magistrate. In finality, he is a very busy man, and in his work is very
liable to fly around the world, be involved in important activities
which are not generally advertised, and may be taken up for long periods
in sustained and energetic work. That we were able to work together was
a measure of our friendshp and trust of each other, and he has certainly
come to my rescue when I was hospitalized, and for that I am very
appreciative. He has helped me and I am confident that he knows of my
appreciation and affection for him.

In the case of Senator Fortunatus, while he is a friend, we are not as
close understandably enough, as Q. Fabius and I are. However,
Fortunatus served as one of my Assensii (Advisors) during my Consulship
and provided consistantly excellent offerings, information, data, and
ideas which I still refer to today. Fortunatus tends to listen to
others, a feature which is in my view, a very important one in a
Praetor. He expresses himself well in controversey, and has as far as I
have seen been able to establish a friendship with virtually everyone --
something I have not been able to do, unfortunately. However, Senator
Fortunatus has remained in some ways isolated as a Senator and Tribune,
which I believe is necessary to some extent in order to be able to come
to one's own determinations without undue pressure from close friends in
higher office. He is observant and has expressed concer over several
points which have needed to be dealt with in the survey of his
responsibilities. He has never to my knowledge lost his temper on the
Main List (although I'm sure sometimes it was a close call) and so
maintain's a dignity which is in pretty darned good shape, unlike many
others. He gathers opinions and listens to the other side of arguments
-- really listens, I mean, and tries to determine what is good about any
opposing view. I try to do this as well, but I am probably not as good
at it as he is. While Q.Fabius has had two turns at Praetor, and
promises that he has gathered much research on the subject, there is
still no Civil Law. Now I tried to bring the current Civil Law Code to
review during my Consulship but nothing ever resulted, so I am as guilty
for that lack as anyone, I suppose, but I believe that the task at hand
for the Praetors requires a new set of faces in that position. Last
year I served as Quaestor to Q. Fabius at his request, in order to work
with him on the Civil Law Code, something I am interested in. He told
me that he would contact me to work on the code, but never did. I
understand that he was very busy, however, I think that I could perhaps
have been better utilized in that respect in some small way.

You have now selected a new face for that position, Praetor Pompeia
Cornelia Strabo. Citizens, consider selecting another new face to this
very important position. Gathered research material can be passd along,
ideas can be shared, assistants can be aquired, but in the end, it is
the person in the office that makes the difference between research
accumulated on the shelf, and laws passed. It is the person in office
who makes the difference between people leaving NR and staying to work
out thier problems and thier ideas which may be at varience with the
majority.

In closing, I say to you that both of these gentlemen are hardworking
Citizens and Magistrates. Both I count as friends and close colleagues.
Both I have served with, and both have my confidence, trust and
myfriendship. I would trust either with my wallet, my dog or my wife --
and both have my best wishes. However, I must make a choice, and for
the reasons I have outlined above, I must choose Senator Fortunatus for
Praetor, for his manner, for his deliberate considerations, for his
moderate views on personalities, for his ability to gather points of
view wthout offending, and for the fact that he will be a new face in a
position that needs two Praetors that will work well together, and will
provide the effort needed to complete the task before them, that you the
citizens hope for.

My vote will be for Senator Fortunatus.

Whatever your ideas about what I have said and whatever your views,
please take a moment to vote for this badly needed Magistracy. You as a
Citizen need this position filled and the Nova Roma micronation needs
the position as well. And you both need two pro-active, sensitive,
dedicated, and determined people in those positions. You now have one,
it is fully up to you to choose another.

Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] I, Claudius?!?
From:	"Milly Jansen" <millys2@hotmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:09:06 +0100

Salve Cai Senti et salve Decime Iuni!

Indeed the author of I Claudius did great wrong ( though it's a nice
story:-) )to many persons appearing in this series. (and it was not only
Livia, but also people like the emperor Tiberius (p.e. there's this great
biography about him by Barbara Levick to give a better idea of the person
Tiberius) who suffered from this.
I also must admit that p.e. the character of Germanicus was also too good to
be true.

But again, it is a great series with great actors!

Agrippina Iulia Germanica

>From: Decimus Iunius Silanus <danedwardsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
>Reply-To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
>To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] I, Claudius?!?
>Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:50:37 +0000 (GMT)
>
>Salve Cai Senti,
>
>Although undoubtedly a classic, I Claudius relies
>heavily on the author's interpretation of the motives
>and personalities of the characters involved. This is
>to make the publication and consequent dramatisation
>popular amongst a audience not necessarily that
>interested in Roman history. Nevertheless, who can
>honestly say what the members of the Imperial family
>were truly like in this, or any other, era.
>
>Any study of any period of Roman history must rely
>heavily on writers such as Tacitus and Dio. However,
>these people wrote their histories many years after
>the events they described, and were not without their
>own bias.
>
>I for one think that Livia, the wife of Augustus, was
>done a grave disservice. However, the performance of
>Sian Phillips in that role must be one of the best
>pieces of acting ever witnessed.
>
>Vale
>
>Decimus Iunius Silanus
>
>
>I was just wondering if anyone out there can tell
>me 
>just how much of the story "I, Claudius" can
>be said 
>to be actual fact and reliably based on factual 
>evidence? 
> 
>Valete bene omnes, 
> 
>Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura 
> 
>"I, Tiberius Claudius
>this-that-and-the-other, 
>otherwise known as Claudius the Idiot, and 
>Cl-Cl-Cl-Claudius the Stammerer...." - I,
>Claudius 
> 
><a
>href="http://my.yahoo.com.au">http://my.yahoo.com.au</a>
>- My Yahoo! 
>- It's My Yahoo! Get your own! 
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] PROVINCIA ITALIA WEBSITE
From:	"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@compuland.com.br>
Date:	Mon, 26 Dec 2011 10:08:02 -0200

Salve Francisce Apule

La tua pagina è veramente afascinante. Complimenti!!!

Your web page is really fascinating. Congratulations!!!

Vale

Titus Horatius Atticus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: I, Claudius?!?
From:	"l_equitius" <vze23hw7@verizon.net>
Date:	Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:22:18 -0000

Salvete Omnibus!

--- In novaroma@y..., "pompeia_cornelia" <trog99@h...> wrote:
> ---Salvete Decimi, Gai Sente et alii:
>
> I think that in this production the acting/casting was commendable
in
> "I Claudius". Derek Jacobi was excellent as Claudius. I didn't
> realize what a versatile actor he truly was until I saw him in
Other
> productions, one being a BBC series with him playing a medieval
> detective monk, darned if I can remember the name of that one.
>

That'd be "Brother Cadfael"! I have all thirteen episodes, they're
Great! Some of my friends that know that period 'pan' the history and
costumes, but I love them anyway.
I think the same thing can be said of "I, Claudius", I know a little
history and some things about the culture, but I don't let that get
in the way of my enjoyment of the production.

Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] I, Claudius?!?
From:	qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com
Date:	Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:23:02 EST

In a message dated 1/7/02 4:05:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
gaiussentius@yahoo.com.au writes:

> I was just wondering if anyone out there can tell me
> just how much of the story "I, Claudius" can be said
> to be actual fact and reliably based on factual
> evidence?
>
> Valete bene omnes,
>
>

Salvete Gai Senti Brutti Sura et al:

Robert Graves took Suetonius interpetation of history in his life of Augustus
in "The 12 Caesars" as his touchstone. The facts as related are true, the
Iudio-Claudian men did have short life spans, dying in strange ways, however
to put Liva in the center of all the intrigue to make sure her son Tiberius
got the throne is a bit much. Both of the greatest of Augustan historians
Dr. Guglielmo Ferrero, and Dr. Barbara Levick, claim if even a hint of this
was available to the judgemental Roman people, Liva would have not been as
popular as she was in the later part of her life. Liva was held up to be the
perfect matron. Women attempted to copy her life as a Roman.
True, Liva was ambitious for her son to succeed Augustus even Augustus noted
that in "Rae gestae," but to kill all her son's rivals, and keep it silent,
is almost beyond possibility.

"I' Claudius" came about after Graves translated Suetonius, and realized that
he had the makings of a rip roaring good story at hand. When Claudius came
out in the early 1930s, Graves tried to draw comparisons to the current
scandal rocked Royal Family and the Iulio-Claudians.
The reason Graves gave for T. Claudius Drusus writing his memors, is to set
the record straight about his great family and their scandals. There is no
proof that Claudius ever wrote memoirs, but since he was an author of some
note, his history on the Etruscans was required reading for people interested
in that subject, and he was starting a history of the people of Carthage,
Rome's great enemy, which regretfully was never finished when the Praetorians
elevated him to the throne, so Graves felt justified in having his Claudius
do his memoirs.
In reality Claudius was never a great admirer of Liva, Roman authors say he
claimed she mistreated him as child, and he was the son of Drusus, Tiberius'
brother and possible rival. Since Liva favored Tiberius, dislike for Drusus'
famous sons Germanicus and Claudius is entirely possible. Graves magnified
this in his novel.
The thing I like about both the BBC's "I' Claudius," and Tino Basses'
"Caligula" is that they both paint a visual portrait of a Rome consumed with
excesses. Which is likely a true look at Rome and Imperial life in the
period of the Iulio-Claudians. Fun it is, but it is no more correct history
then "Gladiator."

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Oath of Office
From:	Piparskeggr - Venator <catamount_grange@inwave.com>
Date:	Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:07:50 -0600

Salus et Fortuna Omnes!

I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator (Steven Patrick Robinson) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova
Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator swear to honor the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State
Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of
the office of Legatus Occidentalis pro Provincia Lacus Magni to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the
Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Legatus Occidentalis pro
Provincia Lacus Magni and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities
attendant thereto.

=========================================

In addition, I have done as requested and activated moderator status for my fellow Magistrates
within the provincial mailing list: Proprætor Marcus Scipio Africanus, Legatus Orientalis Marcus
Bianchius Antonius, Retiarius Marcus Octavius Germanicus and Scriba Proprætoris Prima Fabia
Drusilla. I ask these good Cives to double check the Lacus Magni list and make sure I assigned
this authority correctly. If there needs to ba a change, please write me privately.

I am pleased to continue on in the service of my Province and the New City.

May That Which Is Holy smile upon our efforts!

=========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Cives Nova Romana et Paterfamilias
Domus Familias
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Stress is when you wake up screaming
and you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet.