Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Sodalitas Athletica
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:05:27 EDT

Salvete,

I think a "Sodalitas Athletica" is an excellent idea! Wish there was a
working chapter here where I live... I could certainly stand to tone up and
lose a few pounds.

Very seriously - if such a Sodalitas were to come up with a "Roman Athletics
Program" that was both historical and could be easily done by an individual,
Nova Roma might well benefit. I know I'm certainly more interested in doing
stuff if there is a Roman connection. Even folks not that interested in Rome
might find it a neat alternative system. New exersize fad, anyone?

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


>Gnaeus Salix Astur Writes:

>I have been thinking for some time about the possibility of creating anew
sodalitas centered on Classical "sports": Roman games like trigonor
harpastum, as well as the traditional Olympic disciplines. It wouldbe an
addition to our study (and practice) of the Roman "way of life".

>Is anyone also interested in this aspect of Roman culture?




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Subject:	[novaroma] Provincial Edictum 2754-4
From:	"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@-------->
Date:	Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:22:45 -0700

Lucius Mauricius Procopious Omnibus SPD

Provincial Edicta 2754-4

The following edict is enacted under the authority of the Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis:

Guidelines for the Sodalitas Munerum

I. In order to facilitate the development of Munera the following regulations are enacted concerning the individuals participating:

a. Participants must posses liability insurance

b. Participants must sign a waiver, dismissing any liability of the Province or Nova Roma.

c. Participants must have their weapons and armor checked, prior to combat, by a Doctore of the Sodalitas Munerum.

d. Participants must have medical insurance or coverage by their Macronation or employer (as in the case of members of the armed forces).

e. Prior to any Ludus Munera offerings to Mars and Apollo must be made for the safety of all participants.

Presented this 9th day of September in the year of the Consulship of Flavius Vedius Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC

Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
Consilius ad Normas et Incolumitatis Sodalitas Munerum
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-Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s]


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Sodalitas Athletica
From:	"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@-------->
Date:	Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:32:07 -0700

Salve,

Please include me in this new list.
Sorry for the me too post!

Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
(This is an unofficial post for which I assume full responsibility)
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"Indeed, it is not by the plans of men, but by the hand of God that the
affairs of men are directed; and this men call Fate, not knowing the reason
for what things they see occur; and what seems to be without cause is easy
to call the accident of chance. Still, this is a matter every mortal will
decide for himself according to his taste."
-Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 3:05 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Sodalitas Athletica


> Salvete omnes.
>
> I have been thinking for some time about the possibility of creating a
> new sodalitas centered on Classical "sports": Roman games like trigon
> or harpastum, as well as the traditional Olympic disciplines. It would
> be an addition to our study (and practice) of the Roman "way of life".
>
> Is anyone also interested in this aspect of Roman culture?
>
>
>
> =====
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Sodalitas Athletica
From:	"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
Date:	Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:06:15 -0400

That sounds very interesting to me - Roman-style exercise LOL
Helena Galeria
----- Original Message -----
From: cassius622@--------
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 8:05 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Sodalitas Athletica


Salvete,

I think a "Sodalitas Athletica" is an excellent idea! Wish there was a
working chapter here where I live... I could certainly stand to tone up and
lose a few pounds.

Very seriously - if such a Sodalitas were to come up with a "Roman Athletics
Program" that was both historical and could be easily done by an individual,
Nova Roma might well benefit. I know I'm certainly more interested in doing
stuff if there is a Roman connection. Even folks not that interested in Rome
might find it a neat alternative system. New exersize fad, anyone?

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


>Gnaeus Salix Astur Writes:

>I have been thinking for some time about the possibility of creating anew
sodalitas centered on Classical "sports": Roman games like trigonor
harpastum, as well as the traditional Olympic disciplines. It wouldbe an
addition to our study (and practice) of the Roman "way of life".

>Is anyone also interested in this aspect of Roman culture?




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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Sodalitas Athletica
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <julilla@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 04:28:58 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@h...>
wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Please include me in this new list.
> Sorry for the me too post!
>
> Lucius Mauricius Procopious


Me too gratias, ;-) I'd really like to be a part, I could use the
exercise!

cura et valeas,

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Sodalitas Athletica
From:	"Gaius Cornelius Publicus" <gaius-cornelius-publicus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:50:45 -0700

Me too!

Publicus

-----Original Message-----
From: Julilla Sempronia Magna <julilla@-------->
To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Date: Sunday, September 09, 2001 9:30 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Sodalitas Athletica


>--- In novaroma@--------, "Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@h...>
>wrote:
>> Salve,
>>
>> Please include me in this new list.
>> Sorry for the me too post!
>>
>> Lucius Mauricius Procopious
>
>
>Me too gratias, ;-) I'd really like to be a part, I could use the
>exercise!
>
>cura et valeas,
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Suspicion -Galls aid
From:	"rabotnik@" <rabotnik@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:32:07 -0000

Salve !
with all respect but that who should be propraetor of Venedia is not your business. You should focus on Gallia problems
better, not on Venedia. Let us (Venedian and Senate maybe) decide about Venedia and dont worry Marcus Apollonius
polish, we have cooperated with him since half year and ther was any problems with. Allso i have to tell you that our
mailing list is in polish sometimes in latin and nobody was forced to english speak
Vale bene!
Petrus Artorius Longinus

>
> MAF (on the governorship of Venedia): I thus feel fully qualified for the
> post. If anyone casts doubt upon this, it must be because of political
> differences.
>
> LSD: Well, I'm not going to deny that I have some "political differences"
> with Marcus Apollonius, but I do have some thoughts about his
> qualifications. I'll leave it to the reader to decide if they are political.
>
> The first concerns his "willingness to serve until the end of the present
> year". It is now September. The end of the Year is only 115 days away. A
> Governor is expected to make his first progress report to the Senate at the
> 100 mark, and we have a Governor who is planning on leaving office shortly
> after this first report. Organizing a new Province is a major undertaking,
> as I am finding out while reorganizing my Province. Vendia deserves a
> Propraetor who will be able to give her more time than this.
>
> The second is a more serious matter. I refer you to this post.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaroma/message/22049
>
> Take note of this section.
>
> << "Robotnik" in Polish means "worker", and certainly Longinus is a worker
> for Nova Roma: he has induced a number of people to become citizens (which
> he as a Polish speaker can do better than I can here), and he has been the
> motive force behind the project to create the Provincia Venedia for Poland,
> in which I am collaborating (and upon which we hope the Senate will act
> swiftly and favourably...:-). >>
>
> I have to be concerned about a canidate for Propraetor of Vendia who
> dosen't speak Polish. Given Marcus Apollonius' often stated views on
> citizens being "forced" to use English on this list, I sure he shares my
> concerns about having a Propraetor who dosen't speak the native language of
> the majority of the citizens of the province. I don't think we want to
> "force" the citizens of Vendia to deal with their Governor in any language
> than Polish.
>
> Marcus Apollonius is lucky. I'm not a Senator. If I were I would have to
> vote no, not because he is "populares" but because he fails to meet theese
> important qualifications. Perhaps the Senate will feel different.
>
> SAD: Formosanus meets every legal qualification, so perhaps the Senate may
> consider changing their standards. Secondly, mi Druse, I wonder why you are
> interfering in a matter that is not your business, but only that of the
> Senate and the Venedii?
>
> LSD: If the Senate does decide he isn't qualified, then Vendia will still
> need a Propraetor. I think that this will require someone who speaks Polish
> and who has the time to devote to Vendia. Maia Apollonia Pica has shown she
> has the intellagence for this job in her posts to this list. Her English
> skills will allow her to communicate with the Senate and the Magistrates of
> Nova Roma without the need of a translator.
>
> SAD: Friendly as this recommendation seems at first sight, it is also an
> inteference in a gens-related thing, very smoothly blended in your posting
> as a "concerned citizen". To give you a comparative example, it would be
> like I'd be interfering in matters concerning, let's say South Africa, where
> the candidate for governor (a Cornelius) does not speak Afrikaans, but one
> of his gensmates does.
>
> LSD: She is a very new citizen, but Vendia is a very new Province.
>
> SAD: Oh, this means that leges should be set aside.
>
> LSD: I think it would be a good idea to grant her a waiver on the time if
> she is willing to serve as Propraetor, and if Marcus Apollonius is willing
> to act as her Legate. She is a member of the populares faction, so politics
> isn't part of the choice. I would be more than happy to send a recomendation
> to the Senate on her behalf.
>
> SAD: But why would you? You are not a Venedian, nor a Senator, and not an
> Apollonius either. I'm sorry for the overall rough tone of this message, but
> I must say that your interference here did raise an eyebrow or two here.
>
>
> Vale bene,
> S. Apollonius Dr

Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXV about the foundation of "Conventus
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:24:37 +0200

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Edictum Propraetoricium XXV about the foundation of "Conventus Decemviri
Informatoria Thules"

My Procuratrix Informatoria Thules Honorable Claudia Maxima Dea have taken
the initiative to start a group to work with information tasks within
Provincia Thule. I think this is a very good initiative and in order to
support her work I, in this Edictum, give formal approval to her initiative.

I. Hereby I proclaim the foundation of the "Conventus Decemviri
Informatoria Thules", on the web called ThuleInfoTeam, a group consisting
of one Procuratrix Informatoria Thules et Praeses et Decemvir Conventus
Informatoria Thules (Chairman) and nine Decemviri Conventus Informatoria
Thules. The Procuratrix Informatoria Thules is of Scribae rank and the
other appointees are of the rank of Provincial Viatores (messangers). One
of the nine Members will have the titel Vicarius et Decemvir Conventus
Informatoria Thules and serve as Vicechairman.

II. The "Conventus Decemviri Informatoria Thules" shall have the task to
produce information material for the Provincia Thules and to further assist
the the Procuratrix Informatoria Thules in her tasks as she sees fit.

III. All decisions in the Conventus must be supported by the Procuratrix
Informatoria Thules. The Propraetor has the right of intercessio (veto)
against all decisions of the Conventus.

IV. The Propraetor Thules has a standing membership of the "Coventus
Decemviri Informatoria Thules" and is counted as the tenth member of the
Conventus. The Propraetor Thules will probably be a passive member of this
group, just to be kept informed about the activities of the group.

V: The Procuratrix Informatoria Thules shall always be Praeses et Decemvir
Conventus Informatoria Thules.

V. The Praeses et Decemvir Conventus Informatoria Thules shall be
acknowledged by the Propraetor Thules and two Decemviri Conventus
Informatoria Thules shall be appointed by the Propraetor Thules.

VI. The Vicarius et Decemvir Conventus Informatoria Thules and Five
Decemviri Conventus Informatoria Thules are to be suggested by the
Procuratrix Informatoria Thules and appointed by the Propraetor Thules.

VII. All members of the Conventus can be dismissed by the Propraetor Thules
at any time.

VIII. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given September 9th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules


Vale

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Subject:	[novaroma] Wrong Assumption (Was Suspicion )
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT)

--- "rabotnik@" <rabotnik@--------> wrote:
> Salve !
> with all respect but that who should be propraetor
> of Venedia is not your business. You should focus on
> Gallia problems
> better, not on Venedia. Let us (Venedian and Senate
> maybe) decide about Venedia and dont worry Marcus
> Apollonius
> polish, we have cooperated with him since half year
> and ther was any problems with. Allso i have to tell
> you that our
> mailing list is in polish sometimes in latin and
> nobody was forced to english speak
> Vale bene!
> Petrus Artorius Longinus
>

Salvete,
The idea that a Provincial Governor is not the
business of all ofa wrong assumption based on a
misunderstanding of thr roles of the Provinces and the
Governor in a Roman system.

Section V C of the Constitution clearly states
"The Senate may, by Senatus Consultum, create
provincia for administrative purposes ...."

So the province is nothing more than an administrative
district of the Central government, NOT a basic unit
of local government. The unit of local government in a
Roman system is the Municipia, NOT the Province.

The Governor is appointed by the Senate. He is Nova
Roma's represenative to the Province. He answers to
the Senate, NOT to the citizens of the province. He
does NOT represent the Citizens of the province,
rather he represents Nova Roma.

We are not discussing Vendia's represenative, we are
discussing Nova Roma's represenative to Vendia, and if
any citizens have concerns over Nova Roma's
represenatives to the provinces it is their duty to
make these concerns known to the Senate.

Valete,
L. Sicinius Drusus
Propraetor America Austrorientalis

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Subject:	[novaroma] INTERCESSIO - "Citizen of the Year" contest
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:45:40 EDT

Salvete Omnes,

It is with some regret that as Consul I find it necessary to pronounce an
"Intercessio" over the "Citizen of the Year Contest" which has been planned
as an upcoming event by our Aediles.

Because the program as stated is both potentially divisive, and unfair and
open to abuse because of the limited nomination process, and legally beyond
the boundaries of the responsibilities of the Aediles, and historically the
recognition of individual achievement in the service of the Republic was the
prerogative of the Senate, and after consulting with my Consular colleague
and other magistrates, I hereby issue intercessio against the edictum
proclaiming the Citizen of the Year contest, and hereby declare the contest
nullified.

I do of course believe that our Citizens should be recognized for their good
efforts toward Nova Roma. It is my sincere hope that the Senate will
recognize such efforts officially in the near future.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul



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Subject:	[novaroma] Silly Fun - Which god/dess are you like?
From:	Bill Gawne <gawne@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:40:20 -0400

Salve Romani,

I got this link from some friends who found it a fun way to waste
a little time.

"The Greek God Test"

http://quiz.ivillage.com/relationships/tests/god.htm

There's unfortunately not a Roman god test there, but there's
enough crossover between the pantheons for a NovaRoman to enjoy
this. There's also a Greek Goddess Test, for those of the
fairer sex who want to find which of the Greek goddesses they
are most like.

"Goddess Power"
http://www.ivillage.com/relationships/goddesspower/

It isn't the sort of thing I'd take very seriously,
but it's fun. I tested at 30% Apollo, 20% Hades,
10% Hephaestus, 10% Zeus, 10% Dionysus, 10% Hermes,
and 10% Ares. That's either well ballanced or
undecided, I suppose.

Vale,

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] What Do we Really Need?
From:	Bill Gawne <gawne@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:06:17 -0400

Salve,

Pompeia Cornelia scripsit:

> >From a purely sociological point of view, "What is the one Primus
> element we collectively "need" to make us a stronger community, to
> generate a heightened sense of comradry ? In other words, "What do we
> need to do to stimulate individual/collective pride in being Nova
> Roma?"

Excellent question Pompeia. I read it on Saturday, and have pondered
it for the past few days. All the answers and comments posted so far
say good things.

What I have decided, after much consideration, is that if we are
to be stronger as a community, we need to share our visions of
what NovaRoma is and can become. Face to face meetings will
help, as will individual e-mail exchanges, and participation in
the many special interest mailing lists that NovaRomans have created.
Strong gens organizations with good internal communication also help.
But at some point, that shared vision should come back here, to where
it is seen by the general readership of the main list.

There's a great passage in Colleen McCullough's book, _The Grass Crown_
where Lucius Cornelius Sulla conducts a conference on the bank of
the Euphrates river. He explains to the Parthians that Rome is not
a single ideal, like the Greek city-states, but a place where great
ideas come together, and a place which produces greatness. I think
we, the Nova Romani, can also do that, and BE that, if we will.

So, thank you for your question Pompeia. I answer it above,
and ask you, and all, what *is* your vision of Nova Roma? What
makes this dream worth dreaming for you?

Valete,

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Subject:	[novaroma] "Leatherneck Gauls"? (was The result of the Defeat of Varus.)
From:	Bill Gawne <gawne@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:48:32 -0400

Amid a lot of other stuff, Lucilla Cornelia Cinna writes:

> Tiberius may have rebuilt supply camps, custodia and praesidia and
> manned them with leatherneck Gaul auxiliaries, since the Gauls were
> definitiely not interested in a barbarian invasion from beyond the
> Rhine.

[snip remainder of amazingly detailed analysis]

My previous knowledge of the term 'leatherneck' comes from its
association with the US Marine Corps - in which I spent 22 years
of my life. The term refered to the leather stock worn by the
Marines of the 18th century around their necks.

Whence the term 'leatherneck Gaul auxiliaries', above? Were these
Gauls who also wore leather collars of some sort? Or what?

(And just as a general note, I think I'd like to see Lucilla
Cornelia and Quintus Fabius put their combined posts together
as a point/counterpoint article for The Eagle. This exchange
was well worth reading.)

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Silly Fun - Which god/dess are you like?
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <julilla@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:35:52 -0000

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, gratias for a fun test to ease into Monday!
Similarly, it was gratifying to discover that I resonate most to my
patron goddess, Juno -- it appears I'm 33.3% Juno, 16.7% Diana, 16.7%
Venus, 16.7% Minerva and 8.3% Vesta! Why, I could accomplish ANYTHING
today! ;-)

---
cura et valeas,

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "Leatherneck Gauls"? (was The result of the Defeat of Varus.)
From:	QFabiusMaxmi@--------
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:41:57 EDT

In a message dated 9/10/01 10:16:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gawne@--------
writes:


> Whence the term 'leatherneck Gaul auxiliaries', above?
Salvete.
It has been some time since I read Timpe, however I do believe he is refering
to "crack" or "elite" morale classifications among these Gaulic auxiliaries.
(one 'l').
I must hasten in to add that in Dio, Floras, Suetonias and Patercullus',
accounts this premise is not mentioned once. It is my experience that still
at this early date Germans had a morale ascendency over the Gauls.

Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Subject:	[novaroma] Constitutional Change I: Incorporation Correction
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:49:02 -0400

Salvete;

The Senate has, with one exception which is currently being discussed and
which will hopefully be brought to a close soon, reviewed the proposed
amendments to the Constitution. It is my intention to call the Comitia
Centuriata to vote on the four Constitutional Amendments before the end of
this month, to give the Senate time to ratify them before the end-of-year
elections. I hereby present the final drafts for review; it is always good
to have many sets of eyes going through such things before putting them up
for a vote, where they cannot be changed. If there are any systemic problems
with the specifics of the amendments, typographical or grammatical errors,
etc. please let the Consuls know now, either here or privately
(consuls@--------).

Help with Latin versions of the names of these amendments would also be most
appreciated.

-----

Lex Vedia de <incorporation correction>

I. This lex is hereby enacted in order to acknowledge the change of Nova
Roma's state of incorporation from New Hampshire to Maine, and to alter the
Constitution accordingly.

II. The term "New Hampshire" in paragraph I.C. of the Constitution is hereby
changed to read "Maine".

-----

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

Subject:	[novaroma] Constitutional Change III: Children of Cives
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:49:33 -0400

Salvete,

Here is the third proposed amendment. The short version: children of
Citizens can be counted as Citizens themselves, with some restrictions on
their rights until they reach 18 years of age.

The fourth amendment, dealing with reforming the Tribunate, is still being
discussed in the Senate. A final draft will be posted when it is ready.

-----

Lex Vedia de <children of> cives

I. This lex is hereby enacted to amend the Constitution of Nova Roma in such
manner as to extend the rights of Citizenship to children of Citizens who
are not sui juris in their domicile, and to undertake alterations to
Constitutional mechanisms and institutions appropriate to such a change.

II. Paragraph II.A. of the Constitution is hereby altered to read as
follows:

] A. Citizenship
] 1. Any person 18 years old or older may apply for Citizenship.
] 2. Citizens may apply for Citizenship on behalf of their children
] or legal wards (as defined by relevant macronational law)
] under the age of 18. Such Citizens shall be known as impuberes.
] 3. Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of ethnic heritage,
] gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation.
] 4. Citizenship may be involuntarily revoked by those means that
] shall be established by law, or may be voluntarily relinquished
] by notification of the censors or by public statement before
] three or more witnesses.
] 5. Impuberes may have their Citizenship relinquished on their
] behalf by their parent or legal guardian (as defined by relevant
] macronational law) by notification of the censors or by public
] statement before three or more witnesses.

III. Paragraph II.B. of the Constitution is hereby altered to read as
follows:

] B. The following rights of the Citizens who have reached the age of
] 18 shall be guaranteed, but this enumeration shall not be taken
] to exclude other rights that citizens may possess:

IV. Paragraph II.D.3. of the Constitution is hereby altered to read as
follows:

] 3. Each gens shall, through whatever means it may determine
] appropriate, have a paterfamilias (fem. materfamilias) who
] shall act as the leader of the gens and speak for it when
] necessary. The holder of this position must be registered
] as such with the censors. The paterfamilias may, at his or
] her discretion, expel members of their gens, or accept new
] members into it.
] a. The paterfamilias may, at his discretion, exercise the
] rights ennumerated in paragraph II.B. of this Constitution
] on behalf of impuberes in their gens, with the exception
] of the right to vote (paragraph II.B.3.) and the right to
] join the Ordo Equester (paragraph II.B.8.).
] b. No impuberes may become paterfamilias of a gens.

-----

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

Subject:	[novaroma] Constitutional Change II: Provinces and Governors
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:49:22 -0400

Salvete;

Here is the second proposed amendment. In short, it lets the Senate and
governors establish offices and titles for provincial administration,
instead of the current very restrictive language in the Constitution.

-----

Lex Vedia de provincia et <governors>

I. This lex is hereby enacted to enable governors and the Senate more
flexibility in establishing and maintaining the administrative institutions
and mechanisms of provincia.

II. Paragraph V.C. of the Constitution of Nova Roma is hereby altered to
read as follows:

] C. The Senate may, by Senatus Consultum, create provincia
] for administrative purposes and appoint provincial
] governors therefor, who shall bear such titles as the
] Senate may deem appropriate. The Senate may review each
] governor on a yearly basis and it remains in the
] discretion of the Senate whether or not to prorogue such
] governors, although this review shall not constitute a
] ban on the authority of the Senate to remove governors
] from office as its discretion. Governors shall have the
] following honors, powers, and obligations:
] 1. To hold imperium and have the honor of being preceeded
] by six lictors solely within the jurisdiction of their
] provincia;
] 2. To proclaim those edicta (edicts) necessary to engage
] in those tasks which advance the mission and function
] of Nova Roma, solely within the jurisdiction of their
] provincia (such edicts being binding upon themselves
] as well as others);
] 3. To manage the day-to-day organization and
] administration of their provincia;
] 4. To appoint officers to whom authority may be delegated,
] subject to those restrictions and standards as the
] Senate shall deem appropriate;
] 5. To remove officers whom they have appointed, or make
] changes to their titles and/or delegated authority,
] subject to those restrictions and standards as the
] Senate shall deem appropriate.

-----

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Silly Fun - Which god/dess are you like?
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:33:17 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete quirites; et salve, amice Marine.

--- Bill Gawne <gawne@--------> wrote:
> Salve Romani,
>
> I got this link from some friends who found it a fun way to waste
> a little time.
>
> "The Greek God Test"
>
> http://quiz.ivillage.com/relationships/tests/god.htm
>
> There's unfortunately not a Roman god test there, but there's
> enough crossover between the pantheons for a NovaRoman to enjoy
> this. There's also a Greek Goddess Test, for those of the
> fairer sex who want to find which of the Greek goddesses they
> are most like.
>
> "Goddess Power"
> http://www.ivillage.com/relationships/goddesspower/
>
> It isn't the sort of thing I'd take very seriously,
> but it's fun. I tested at 30% Apollo, 20% Hades,
> 10% Hephaestus, 10% Zeus, 10% Dionysus, 10% Hermes,
> and 10% Ares. That's either well ballanced or
> undecided, I suppose.

I have taken the quiz, and I have come out 30% Zeus, 30% Apollo, 20%
Hermes, 10% Ares, 10% Dyonisios, 0% Hephaestos and 0% Hades.

Surprising.

;-).


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Subject:	[novaroma] Wrong assumption (II) (was Suspicion -Galls aid)
From:	"J. Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:34:03 +0200

Salve Petre Artori,

I think you mistook me for Drusus, _or_ that you thought Drusus was a Gaul.
You replied to the message I wrote, so in case it is none of the two
aforementioned mistakes, perhaps I should tell you that I absolutely did not
want to interfere in Venedian business. Quite the contrary so!

Bene vale,
S. Apollonius Draco

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Silly Fun - Which god/dess are you like?
From:	labienus@--------
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:48:27 US/Central

Salvete

> I have taken the quiz, and I have come out 30% Zeus, 30% Apollo, 20%
> Hermes, 10% Ares, 10% Dyonisios, 0% Hephaestos and 0% Hades.
>
> Surprising.

LOL Apparently, I'm 50% Apollo, 20% Hermes, 20% Hades, and 10% Zeus.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Silly Fun - Which god/dess are you like?
From:	"J. Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:48:39 +0200

Salvete,

Hmm, disturbing news... I'm 30% Hermes and 30% Hades.

Valete!
Draco


> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, gratias for a fun test to ease into Monday!
> Similarly, it was gratifying to discover that I resonate most to my
> patron goddess, Juno -- it appears I'm 33.3% Juno, 16.7% Diana, 16.7%
> Venus, 16.7% Minerva and 8.3% Vesta! Why, I could accomplish ANYTHING
> today! ;-)
>
> ---
> cura et valeas,
>
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>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Absentia
From:	"J. Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:04:24 +0200

Salvete omnes,

Short notice: I will be absent from tomorrow morning until at least Sunday September 15.

Participate in the Ludi, Quirites!

Valete,
S. Apollonius Draco


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "Leatherneck Gauls"? (was The result of the Defeat of
From:	loos@--------
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:45:08 -0300

QFabiusMaxmi@-------- wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/10/01 10:16:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gawne@--------
> writes:
>
> > Whence the term 'leatherneck Gaul auxiliaries', above?
> Salvete.
> It has been some time since I read Timpe, however I do believe he is refering
> to "crack" or "elite" morale classifications among these Gaulic auxiliaries.
> (one 'l').
> I must hasten in to add that in Dio, Floras, Suetonias and Patercullus',
> accounts this premise is not mentioned once. It is my experience that still
> at this early date Germans had a morale ascendency over the Gauls.
>

I think it is not roman at all, and in fact refers to the US Marines
considered as an elite Corps.

Vale

Manius Villius Limitanus

Subject:	[novaroma] A Mailing List for the Sodalitas Athletica
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:05:39 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete quirites!

Seeing the positive response that my proposal of a Sodalitas Athletica
has received, I have created just another Novoroman mailing list on
Yahoogroups :-). Subscription is open to everyone.

You can subscribe by visiting:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalitas_Athletica

or by posting a message to:
Sodalitas_Athletica@--------

On this mailing list, we will discuss how to create the Sodalitas
Athletica and what we want this sodalitas to be.

I will see you either there or in the haspartum field :-).


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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Silly Fun - Which god/dess are you like?
From:	ksterne@--------
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:00:53 -0000

Salve Gnae Equiti,

Thanks for the link to the tests. I was:

40% Dionysus (my wife would say that's no surprise), 20% Hermes, 20%
Hades, 10% each Zeus and Ares.

As someone else said I must be well rounded or schizophrenic!

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Silly Fun - Which god/dess are you like?
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:19:52 -0700

labienus@-------- wrote:
>
> Salvete
>
> > I have taken the quiz, and I have come out 30% Zeus, 30% Apollo, 20%
> > Hermes, 10% Ares, 10% Dyonisios, 0% Hephaestos and 0% Hades.
> >
> > Surprising.
>
> LOL Apparently, I'm 50% Apollo, 20% Hermes, 20% Hades, and 10% Zeus.

I just took the test. I am 40% Apollo, 20% Hermes, 20% Hades and 20%
Zeus....

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "Leatherneck Gauls"? (was The result of the Defeat of Varus.)
From:	Lucilla Cornelia Cinna <CorneliaLucilla@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:30:31 +0200

Salve Q. Fabi Maxime!

I apologize for not being able to keep up the discussion due to a lack
of time ...

QFabiusMaxmi@-------- wrote:

>>Whence the term 'leatherneck Gaul auxiliaries', above?
>>
>It has been some time since I read Timpe, however I do believe he is refering
>to "crack" or "elite" morale classifications among these Gaulic auxiliaries.
>(one 'l').
>
Exactly! It was meant as a metaphor.
By the way, Roman soldiers wore thick wollen scarfs around their necks
to prevent severe harms at this essential part of the body. Supposively,
those troops should have been called "woolnecks", but doesn't that sound
a bit ..."weakling'ish"? ;o)

Glad to see someone being capable of reading German. :o)

>I must hasten in to add that in Dio, Floras, Suetonias and Patercullus',
>accounts this premise is not mentioned once. It is my experience that still
>at this early date Germans had a morale ascendency over the Gauls.
>
I don't agree ... Of course, I don't ... ;o)
Gaulish culture and Germanic culture did interchange vividly. Gaulish
artifacts are found everywhere in Germania (the Gundestrup kettle,
fibles, weapons, metal fittings and clasps etc.), but hardly anything
Germanic among the Celts. And according to the accounts of Caesar (BG)
and Tacitus (Germ.) the only moral ascendancy was that the Gauls seem to
have feared the Germanic peoples beyond the Rhine.
Tacitus' ethnographic study on the Germanic people is a moral piece of
literature, depicting who he thought to be the most dangerous peoples
Rome ever confronted as a moral "Gegenbild" (germ.) to his contemporary
Roman culture.

And still Velleius represents the account of a follower of Tiberius
opposing (and also somawhat defamating) the Germanicus/Agrippina
faction; this is almost common sense at least in German scholarship.

Bene vale

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Silly Fun - Which god/dess are you like?
From:	Lucilla Cornelia Cinna <CorneliaLucilla@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:35:34 +0200

Salvete!

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix wrote:

>I just took the test. I am 40% Apollo, 20% Hermes, 20% Hades and 20%
>Zeus....
>
It says I'm 60% Athena, 17% Aphrodite, and 23% equally shared by Hera,
Artemis and Persephone - not the slightest chance for Hestia or Demeter.

Bene valete

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "Leatherneck Gauls"? (was The result of the Defeat of Varus.)
From:	QFabiusMaxmi@--------
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:43:15 EDT

In a message dated 9/10/01 1:53:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
CorneliaLucilla@-------- writes:


> Tacitus' ethnographic study on the Germanic people is a moral piece of
> literature, depicting who he thought to be the most dangerous peoples
> Rome ever confronted as a moral "Gegenbild" (germ.) to his contemporary
> Roman culture.
>
>
Salvete
Well since my references come from Tacitus, especial during the civil war, it
won't do any good to mention them, since you believe Tacitus' reasoning when
it came to Germans is flawed.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus.


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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Silly Fun - Which god/dess are you like?
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:49:41 -0400

Salve,

Cool quiz.......:) I came out with 33% Persephone, 17% Athena, 17% Demeter,
8% each of Aphrodite, Artemis, Hestia and Hera.

:) Priscilla Vedia

Subject:	[novaroma] RE: [novanoma] INTERCESSIO - "Citizen of the Year" contest
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:56:46 -0400

This got sent to the announce list by mistake...

FVG
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Stribrny [mailto:mstribr@--------]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 4:29 PM
To: NovaRomaAnnounce@--------
Subject: Re: [NovaRomaAnnounce] INTERCESSIO - "Citizen of the Year"
contest


Salvete

Yea. You recognize them (a great citizen) by voting them into a position
in the government. A "citizen of the year" only creates a Caesar.

Valete
M.SER.Germanicus
----- Original Message -----
From: cassius622@--------
To: novaroma@--------
Cc: NovaRomaAnnounce@--------
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 17:45
Subject: [NovaRomaAnnounce] INTERCESSIO - "Citizen of the Year" contest


Salvete Omnes,

It is with some regret that as Consul I find it necessary to pronounce
an
"Intercessio" over the "Citizen of the Year Contest" which has been
planned
as an upcoming event by our Aediles.

Because the program as stated is both potentially divisive, and unfair
and
open to abuse because of the limited nomination process, and legally
beyond
the boundaries of the responsibilities of the Aediles, and historically
the
recognition of individual achievement in the service of the Republic was
the
prerogative of the Senate, and after consulting with my Consular
colleague
and other magistrates, I hereby issue intercessio against the edictum
proclaiming the Citizen of the Year contest, and hereby declare the
contest
nullified.

I do of course believe that our Citizens should be recognized for their
good
efforts toward Nova Roma. It is my sincere hope that the Senate will
recognize such efforts officially in the near future.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Adoption announcement
From:	Maximina Octavia <myownq@-------->
Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:25:15 -0700 (PDT)

Ave,
Congratulations to the Cornielia Gens! You have
adopted a truly valuable citizen of Nova Roma. In
turn, Antonia has gained a truly attentive,
intelligent and kind Pater.
I wish you both much future success!

Vale, Maximina Octavia



--- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
<alexious@--------> wrote:
> Ave Citizens of Nova Roma,
>
> It is my sincere pleasure to announce the adoption
> of Pompeia Antonia
> Caesaria into the Gens Cornelia. She successfully
> petitioned the
> paterfamilias of the Gens Antonia to be released and
> then requested to
> join the Gens Cornelia. It is my pleasure to accept
> her into the Gens
> Cornelia.
>
> As per her request her new name will be: Pompeia
> Cornelia Antonia
> Caesaria.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Paterfamilias of the Gens Cornelia
>

Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXVI about the Appointment of a The
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:31:55 +0200

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Edictum Propraetoricium XXVI about the Appointment of a The Praeses et
Decemvir Conventus Informatoria Thules a Vicarius et Decemvir Coventus
Informatoria Thules and two Decemviri Conventus Informatoria Thules

It is a great pleasure for me, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, to appoint these
Honorable citizens to the "Conventus Decemviri Informatoria Thules" and my
Cohors Propraetoris (The Propraetorian Staff, Provincial Governament)!

I, as a Nova Roman citizen within the Provincia Thule, am proud to see the
Gravitas and Pietas these citizens shows!

I. Procuratrix Informatoria Thules Honorable Claudia Maxima Dea is hereby
acknowledged as Praeses (Chairman) et Decemvir Conventus Informatoria
Thules.

II. Honorable Aulus Cornelius Sallust is hereby appointed as Vicarius et
Decemvir Coventus Informatoria Thules (Vicechairman of the Conventus)

III. Senior Legatus Thules et Praeco Aranei Thules Honorable Titus Octavius
Pius is hereby appointed as Decemvir Conventus Informatoria Thules.

IV. Legatus Regionis Suecicae et Procurator ad Res Internas Thules
Honorable Vibius Minucius Falco is hereby appointed as Decemvir Conventus
Informatoria Thules.

V. Procuratrix Informatoria Thules Honorable Claudia Maxima Dea herby,
according to the Edictum Propraetoricium XXV about the foundation of
"Conventus Decemviri Informatoria Thules, has the right to suggest five
more Decemviri Conventus Informatoria Thules, who will be appointed by the
Propraetor Thules.

VI. Above appointed officials and the future Decemviri Conventus
Informatoria Thules suggested by the Procuratrix Informatoria Thules and
Appointed by the Propraetor Thules are asked to observe that they are bound
by the "Approved Regula (Charter) for the Administration of Thule" as it
was published on the 15th of April 2001 and the Edictum Propraetoricium XXV
about the foundation of "Conventus Decemviri Informatoria Thules".

VII. As an official of Provincia Thule they are asked to, within one week
of their appointment to swear the public oath shown on
<http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html,>http://www.novaroma.org/ta
bularium/lex99191002.html, using both their Nova Roman name and within
parenthesis their macroworld (real) name.

The Oath must be published on the NovaRomaThule List and the Nova Roma Roma
Main List! As Procuratrix Informatoria Thules Honorable Claudia Maxima Dea
has already sworn the Oath she exempted from this requriement

VIII. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given September 11th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules

Vale

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Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXVII about the ranks of officials in
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:34:28 +0200

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Edictum Propraetoricium XXVII about the ranks of officials in Provincia Thules.

To make it clear for everyone how officials, below the Propraetor as he is
a magistratus, in Provincia Thules relates to each other this Edictum is
published

I. There are four ranks of officials in Provincia Thule: 1. The Legati Rank
2. The Scribae rank 3. The Lictores rank and 4. The Viatores rank.

II. The Legati rank
According to the Provincial Regula (Edictum VII about the Approved Regula
(Charter) for the Administration of Thule) the following constitue the
Legati rank: 1. Senior Legatus 2. Prolegati 3. The Consiliarii.

The following have been appointed Legati rank in preceeding Edicta: 4.
Praeses et Triumvir Novae Romae Academiae in Thule 5. Triumvir Novae Romae
Academiae in Thule

III. The Scibae rank
According to the Provincial Regula (Edictum VII about the Approved Regula
(Charter) for the Administration of Thule) the following constitute the
Scribae rank:: 1. The Praeco Aranei Thules 2. The Praefectus Sermonis
Thules. 3. Legatus ad Res Externas 4. Procuratores 5. Legatus Militum 6.
Contubernalis Provincia.

All 7. officials of the leadership, except the Tresviri and the
Praeceptores, of the "Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova" are
of Scribae rank. 8. The Praeses et Decemvir Conventus Informatoria Thules
also is of Scribae rank.

IV. The Lictores rank
The second lowest rank of the officials of Provincia Thule are those of the
Lictores rank. The six Lictores of the Propraetor Thules constitute this
rank.

V. The Viatores rank
The lowest rank of the officials of Provincia Thule are those of the
Viatores rank. The following constitue the Viatores rank: 1. Vicarius et
Decemvir Coventus Informatoria Thules 2. The Decemviri Conventus
Informatoria Thules 3. Other officials named in future Edicta.

VI. The Legates, Scribae, Lictores and Viatores together constitute the
Cohors Propraetoris (the staff of the Propraetor) under the leadership of
the Propraetor Thules.

VII. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given September 11th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thule


Vale

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