Subject:	Re: [novaroma] attn : argentinos/argentinians Sp./Eng.
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:16:03 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete, argentini; et salve, Lucie.

--- octavianuslucius@-------- wrote:
> Spanish/español
> Salud a todos.
>
> El domingo 20 de Mayo a las 18:00 hora local (GMT - 3) tendremos el
> segundo chat provincial. Se requiere la membresía a la lista
> provincial para ingresar al chat.
> Saludos

Spanish/español
¿"Membresía"?¿Qué tal "pertenencia"? ;-)

English/Inglés
Untranslatable play on words, but no real offence intended. Honest! ;-)

>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> Propraetor provinciae Argentinae
>
> English/inglés
> Salvete omnes
>
> On Sunday May 20th, 2001 18:00 local time (GMT-3) we shall have our
> second chat meeting. Membership to the provincial list required to
> join the chat.
>
> Valete
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> Propraetor provinciae Argentinae


=====
Bene Valete!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Civis romanus.

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Subject:	[novaroma] VICESIMA - QUARTA * NEWS MAY-2001
From:	"LegionXXIV" <legionXXIV@-------->
Date:	Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:01:12 -0400

VICESIMA - QUARTA
LEGION XXIV - MEDIA - ATLANTIA

* PROVINCIA PENNSYLVANIA *
* MEDIA - ATLANTICA * AMERICIA *

Defending the Frontiers of Ancient Rome
in the Mid - Atlantic Province
of North America

NEWS for MAY-2001 - Year of Rome 2754

Ave et Salutatio... Commilitonis

Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas,
Praefectus, Legio XXIV Media-Atlantia;
Tribune Militaris - NovaRoma - Gens Velia
aka George W. Metz
13 Post Run Newtown Square, PA 19073-3014

legionxxiv@-------- 610-353-4982

http://www.legionxxiv.org

Legion XXIV is now in Pictures!!
Owen Hutchins (Marcus Didius), David Michaels (Flavius Crispus), Fernando Bonmati
(Titus Aurelius) and John Macek from Legion XX, plus Joanne Shaver and two barbarians
from the Barony of Settmour Swamp and yours truly answered the casting call.

The "shoot" went well. We showed up at 7AM, unloaded the gear and proceeded
to dress up the 20 or so "extras" that had been hired by the producer.
It was Clear, Cold and Windy!, in the "Thirties" rising into the "Forties" in the afternoon.
Four members turned-out along with three barbarians from the Barony of Settmour
Swamp, a SCA group we have relations with. We all blew the crew and extras away
with our dress and decorum. The Emperor and Marius would have been proud of us
and the barbarians were very barbarian, hair, woud and all.

The session was to produce a salesman' promo for a drug company for their internal use.
It will not be shown in public. The producer has promised a video of the finished
product to me and others involved.

The story was as follows:
A "legion" of Roman soldiers is on the crest of a hill. They are staring out across
the landscape to the opposing army as both side prepare for the imminent battle.
We get close ups of the faces of men hardened by war....

We zip pan over to the opposing army... more primitive, Barbarian....

A shadow crosses the Roman troops and they look up with awe and smile.
A Pegasus flies over head. The Romans cheer.

The Barbarians turn tale and run!


The Romans were filmed first in various lines and positions, close-up and at a distance.
Then we had a break and I assisted in dressing the barbarian extras for their session.
The shoot was over by 3PM It was an interesting; but cold, experience.
We all earned our "stripes" as cold weather Roman warriors! We can now appreciate
what the legions in Germany and England went through almost 2000 years ago.
There were a lot of pictures taken and a few are attached below.

Check out the Website http://www.legionxxiv.org Many new pictures and text have
been added. A new Lorica Page has been broken out of the Equipment Page.
Detail photos of my new hamata by Jeff Crean will be up in a week or so along with
some shots from the recent Marching thru Time and Universal Soldier events.


There is a new major section on gladiator combat and the Colosseum.
Termed the Gladiatorium Academia. It was authored by John Ebel, who
is a very active new recruit, and your Commander. We are planning to have
gladiatorial exhibitions and the call is out for gladiator trainees. Are you up to
training for the "Games"?

John has arranged for two such exhibitions west of Boston, MA on Wednesday
July 18th and Wednesday, August 8th. Yes! They are during the week; but the
promoter is offering a generous stipend and lodging for those of us who could participate.
Contact John Ebel at 631-329-2430. He is moving and his computer is down for
a month or so.
We are also planning a session at Roman Days, June 9-10 at Marietta Mansion, in
Glenn dale, MD; with Legion XX and Legion III Gallica. 10 AM to 4 PM both days.
This IS THE Roman event of the year and we should all set the dates aside.
Roman Olympics! Battle Tactics and Demo! NovaRoma Meeting.
Last year we had 15 troopers! - with our support it can be twenty!
So get to work on your kit, turn-out and show your pride in Ancient Rome.
There will be some extra gear available. See below for directions.

Legion XXIV will again be campaigning with the Barony of Settmour Swamp at their
Annual Gathering and Quest on May 26-27 near Flemington, NJ.
There will be good times and much fun.
Calling all gladiators!! Maximus-Ebel will be conducting gladiator trials and getting
pointers on the full contact engagements he is planning for our exhibitions.

Equipment Suppliers - Albion - Blacksword - LaWren's Nest are coming out
with new items. Lorica-Segmentata $500.00 - Swords circa $120.00 -
Canteen $40.00? Deepeeka Helmets circa $280.00 Tunics $65.00 (LaWren's).
Prices may vary between suppliers, so check them all out.
http://albionarmorers.com www.blacksword.com www.lawrensnest.com
Caligae from Stephenson Leather $120.00 are also recommended.
uilliam@-------- 909-784-5202
Our supply of hobnails is running low. If you need hobnails contact the Commander.

HAVE GLADIUS, WILL TRAVEL? from Leg-XX
Julie Brooks (La Wren's Nest) writes: "I have a customer who has been
ordering some Roman Legion wear that does some sort of Roman theatrical
re-enactment plays (of some sort, I'm not sure what kind). He is looking
for a couple of guys that might be willing to do some mock sword play and/or
talk about Roman military. He's planning an event in May in Connecticut
somewhere. He's willing to pay travel, hotel and some other expenses. Do
you know any guys in the Connecticut area that would like to have some fun
for a weekend? I'm not sure what weekend other than I know it's during the
month of May. If anyone is interested they can contact Tim Patik at
tep@--------"



Directions to Settmour Swamp:
The site is located on the Neshanic Station Fire Dept. picnic
grove corner of River Rd and Elm St, Neshanic Station NJ.

Take Rt. 206 to county Rd 514 [Amwell Rd] in Hillsborough.
If you are coming from the north turn right onto Rt 514, if you are
coming from the south turn left.

Stay on Rt 514 for about 8 miles until you come to a 3-way intersection at a
large white Church.

Turn right onto Rt 567 [River Rd]. A mile or so down the road turn left and
go across a white metal girder bridge (Elm St).
The site is just across the bridge on the right.
Rt 206 can be reached from routes I-287 and US-22 from the
north and from routes I-95/295, and I-195 from the south.

>From Rt 202 North -- Past Flemington Circle, 5.7 miles to
right turn at "Neshanic" sign. South 2 miles to jct with Rt 567.
Continue on Rt 567, 1 mile under RR bridge to white truss
bridge on the right.
Right turn across bridge to campground on the right.


Directions to Marietta Mansion: 5626 Bell Station Rd., Glenn Dale, MD 20769.
301-464-5291.
>From I-95/495, the Capital Beltway, take Exit 20 onto Rt. 450 East, go 4 miles,
turn left on Rt. 193, then left onto Bell Station Rd. and a 1000 feet to left into
Marietta (or follow the signs to the parking area).

Directions to Fort Washington: From I-95/495 the Capital Beltway,
take Rt. 210 Indian Head Highway South; go about 4 miles and turn right at the light
onto Fort Washington Road, which ends about 3.5 miles later at the park entrance.
301-763-4600.


Thanking you for your support of Legion XXIV; and
wishing you good luck with your Roman endeavors,


I remain, as always,
(take your pick)

Tuus in Sodalicio Imperium Romanae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire

Tuus in Sodalicio Respublica Romanae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic

Gallio / George



A couple of shots from our cold weather campaign ....





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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Upcoming CPoT Vote
From:	Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@-------->
Date:	Tue, 01 May 2001 11:09:14 +0200

TSardonicus@-------- wrote:
> The Lex Vedia de assidui et capiti censi does not forbid non-tax payers from
> providing valuable services to the Republic. It simply states that they
> cannot hold office. Does the lack of the title Scribae prevent someone from
> assisting in the preparation of documents?
>
> At the very least, the Lex does not deny membership to those that cannot
> afford "dues". Indeed, it does not prevent a 'non-taxpayer' from holding an
> officially recognized provincial appointment. In my opinion, it is sound and
> fair.

Salve, Lucius Tiberius Sardonicus.

To further clarify my opinion; If one of the Capiti Censi has the
potential to become the greatest Consul/Propraetor/Whatever ever of Nova
Roma, with many followers, and no enemies, along with all the skills
needed, should we deny ourselves his leadership abilities, just because
he hasn't paid his taxes? He may not be suited as a scriba, nor as
another of the appointed positions. But he would be a great assett to
our beloved Res Publica in one of the offices the current proposal would
prevent him from ever attaining!

The problem here, I think, is that holding an office is considered
something too positive for those unwilling/unable to contribute
financially to Nova Roma. But remember, holding an office isn't all
glamour. We have all read the recent postings regarding the expenditures
involved in holding, for example, the office of Censor. And don't forget
the countless hours required to perform the duties involved!

I've read many posts recently comparing Nova Roma to private clubs and
other organizations. This is not a proper comparison. Nova Roma aspires
to one day become a nation, and in most modern-day nations, I doubt
there are any laws prohibiting those who don't pay their taxes from
holding public office. Public opinion in the matter may prevent them,
but legislation won't.

My main point, again; Some people are better suited for certain
positions than others. If one of the Capiti Censi is best suited among
us for the office of, for example, consul, should we deny ourselves his
competent leadership, and deny him the opportunity to contribute to Nova
Roma in the manner he is most proficient?

I hope I've made myself clear, but if not, please address any part of my
post that is unclear to you, and I'll attempt to further explain the
details.

Vale,

Titus Octavius Pius,
Consiliarius Thules,
Praeco Anarei Thules,
Scriba to the Curator Araneum

AKA Kristoffer From

---

Si hoc signum legere potes,
operis boni in rebus latinis alacribus
et fructuosis potiri potes.

- Not-so-famous quotation

Subject:	[novaroma] Where is our Vestal?
From:	gcassiusnerva@--------
Date:	Tue, 01 May 2001 10:59:41 -0000

Salvete,

I'm still in Germany but found these nice free-use computers in the
post library.

Does anyone know where our new Vestal, Lucilla Cornelia Prima is?
I tried emailing her twice and both times the mail was returned as
undeliverable.

Lucilla, if you are still residing on this planet, please email me.

Nerva

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] VICESIMA - QUARTA * NEWS MAY-2001
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 1 May 2001 08:38:17 -0400

Salvete

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LegionXXIV [mailto:legionXXIV@--------]
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:01 PM
>
> There is a new major section on gladiator combat and the Colosseum.
> Termed the Gladiatorium Academia. It was authored by John Ebel, who
> is a very active new recruit, and your Commander. We are planning to
have
> gladiatorial exhibitions and the call is out for gladiator trainees. Are
you up to
> training for the "Games"?
>
> John has arranged for two such exhibitions west of Boston, MA on Wednesday
> July 18th and Wednesday, August 8th. Yes! They are during the week; but
the
> promoter is offering a generous stipend and lodging for those of us who
could participate.
> Contact John Ebel at 631-329-2430. He is moving and his computer is down
for
> a month or so.

If I may suggest, you might want to check out the Sodalitas Munerum, which
is currently being formed to put together just these sorts of gladiatorial
combats under safe and realistic conditions. We've got an email list at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMunerum that you might find of
interest.

Seems a pity to duplicate effort-- that's exactly why we _have_ Sodalitates!

Next year in the Forum!

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Upcoming CPoT Vote
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Tue, 1 May 2001 07:39:51 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Tite Octavi,

> To further clarify my opinion; If one of the Capiti Censi has the
> potential to become the greatest Consul/Propraetor/Whatever ever of Nova
> Roma, with many followers, and no enemies, along with all the skills
> needed, should we deny ourselves his leadership abilities, just because
> he hasn't paid his taxes?

Surely in this case one of his friends will make the tax payment for him.
We're talking of only 12 or 20 dollars here, a small amount for many of
us, which we would gladly donate to sponsor a worthy citizen who cannot
himself pay.

> I've read many posts recently comparing Nova Roma to private clubs and
> other organizations. This is not a proper comparison.

Right now we have much more in common with private clubs such as the
SCA or the Masons than we do with nations. We aspire to become a nation
eventually, but until that happens we are a private club.

> Nova Roma aspires to one day become a nation, and in most
> modern-day nations, I doubt there are any laws prohibiting those who
> don't pay their taxes from holding public office.

Repeated, flagrant avoidance of taxes is a crime in most countries and
will earn a prison sentence - an serious impediment to anyone wanting
to enter politics.

> My main point, again; Some people are better suited for certain
> positions than others. If one of the Capiti Censi is best suited among
> us for the office of, for example, consul, should we deny ourselves his
> competent leadership, and deny him the opportunity to contribute to Nova
> Roma in the manner he is most proficient?

But what sort of "leader" is it who cannot inspire even one of his
followers to contribute $12 on his behalf?

Vale, M. Octavius.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Grisly secrets of the 'civilising' Romans
From:	MacG4CubeBoy@--------
Date:	Tue, 1 May 2001 02:50:51 EDT

In a message dated 4/30/2001 7:03:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
a.cato@-------- writes:


> As far as I am aware, human sacrifice in Rome was done away
> with during the time of the kings, before the Republic.

And what would you call the mass amount of death that took place in the games
of Ancient Rome? I could regale you with many a tale about people sacrificed
before the Roman mob.

Marcus Quintilius Etruscus

"How much more grievous are the consequences of anger than the causes of it."
-Marcus Aurelius


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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Where is our Vestal?
From:	hadescallias@--------
Date:	Tue, 01 May 2001 14:55:42 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, gcassiusnerva@c... wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I'm still in Germany but found these nice free-use computers in the
> post library.
>
> Does anyone know where our new Vestal, Lucilla Cornelia Prima is?
> I tried emailing her twice and both times the mail was returned as
> undeliverable.
>
> Lucilla, if you are still residing on this planet, please email me.
>
> Nerva
Why do you need her for, not that i know her. (it is just out of
couriousity)

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Where is our Vestal?
From:	hadescallias@--------
Date:	Tue, 01 May 2001 14:58:36 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, gcassiusnerva@c... wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I'm still in Germany but found these nice free-use computers in the
> post library.
>
> Does anyone know where our new Vestal, Lucilla Cornelia Prima is?
> I tried emailing her twice and both times the mail was returned as
> undeliverable.
>
> Lucilla, if you are still residing on this planet, please email me.
>
> Nerva
Why do you need her for and who is she. mayby she didn't updated her
emailadress on the list or she ignored you and blocked your e-
mailadress for the contents of th e-mail.

Subject:	[novaroma] (unknown)
From:	"william wheeler" <holyconelia@-------->
Date:	Tue, 01 May 2001 17:48:49 -0000

Salete
could each person on this List send me a email as i as the legate
of oregon and they are listed as beening in oregon i would liek to set up
eye to eye meeting Etc.. thanks
Gaius Cornelius Publicus
Gnaeus Cornelius Blasio
Marcus Coscus ( not a full roman name?)
Gaia Flacca Severa
Gaius Flamen Agricola
Pertinax Iulius Lusitanus
Gaius Pontius Falco
Prima Ritulia Nocta

Marcus Cornelius Felix
Pontitff
Legate America Boreoccidentalis Minore
Sacerdos Primus America Boreoccidentalis

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Subject:	[novaroma] Pay Pal security question
From:	"Navarra Reid" <optabilis@-------->
Date:	Tue, 1 May 2001 12:31:52 -0600

Salve Omnes:

Could someone tell me how secure the Pay Pal system is?

Also, I imagine this has been covered, but...Are the proposed taxes of $12
in American funds only? I live in Canada (nuff said).

Appia Claudia Indagatrix
materfamilias gens Claudia