Subject:	[novaroma] Oath of Office
From:	britil@--------
Date:	Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:29:19 -0000

I, (Brian Tillery) Marcus Flavius do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, (Brian Tillery) Marcus Flavius swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, (Brian Tillery) Marcus Flavius swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, _(Brian Tillery) Marcus Flavius swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, (Brian Tillery) Marcus Flavius further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of _Legatus of the
Territory of Oklahoma within America Austroccidentalis to the best of
my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of_Legatus of the Territory of Oklahoma
within America Austroccidentalis and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Vale, respectfully

Marcus Flavius
Legatus of Oklahoma Territory within America Austroccidentalis






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Subject:	[novaroma] Suggestion to all cives of Nova Roma
From:	pvitruviusiulianus@--------
Date:	Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:03:13 -0000

Once the coins are available I think it would be profitable for Nova
Roma if citizens were to make donations or pay for fees/taxes/goods
in sestertii. This could be quite profitable for Nova Roma. First
money would be gained from the sale of coins, then the paying for
something and finally a third time by selling the coins again where
the cycle would begin once more! Please reply with your thoughts on
this!

Cum gratia,

Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus,
Civis Novae Romae





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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Questions on the excellent new coins!
From:	pvitruviusiulianus@--------
Date:	Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:33:44 -0000

Thank you for clearing it up. I have taken a closer look at the scan
and it seems that it is an "E" but it is shaped in such a way that in
the scan, and maybe even the coin, it could be easily mistaken for
a "B":

EEEEEEEE
E E
E E
E
E E
E E
EEEEEEEE
E E
E E
E
E E
E E
EEEEEEEE

Cum magna gratia,

Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus,

Civis Novae Romae.





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Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum VII about the Approved Regula (Charter) for the Administration of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thule=DF?=
From:	Christer Edling <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Sun, 15 Apr 2001 02:08:57 +0200

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Edictum Propraetoricium VII
about the Approved Regula (Charter) for the Administration of Thule

I. For administrative purposes the Provincia of Thule will be divided into
four Regiones, and in the future one more may be added, namely Regio
Islandica, which must be approved of by the Senate though. Each Regio will
be assigned a Legatus, who will deal with the day-to-day operations of
their Regiones. Please see below for information on each of the Regiones,
including the responsibilities of the Legati, and precise geographical
borders. The details of the administrative system by which the Provincia
will adopt may also be viewed.

The Provincia of Thule will be divided, for administrative purposes, into
four Regiones:

1. Regio Danica (Denmark), 3 civi

2. Regio Finnica (Finland), 2 civi

3. Regio Norvegica (Norway), 1 cives

4. Regio Suecica (Sweden), 6 civi (of these one lives in USA at times)

A Legatus will be assigned to each Regio, and is responsible for the
day-to-day administration of thier Regio, whilst the Propraetor oversees
the administration of the Provincia as a whole. This document gives precise
details of the administrative structure to be used in Thule, under four
main headings: A. Governor for Thule (excerpt from The Constitution of Nova
Thule V. C.) B. Regio, Legati Title, and Area; C. Administrative
Infrastructure; and D. Duties and Responsibilities for the Legati and other
officials of Thule.

A. Governor for Thule (excerpt from The Constitution of Nova Thule V. C.)

"The Senate may, by Senatus Consultum, create provincia for administrative
purposes and to appoint provincial governors therefore. The Senate may
review each governor on a yearly basis and it remains in the discretion of
the Senate whether or not to prorogue such governors. These governors may
have assistants to handle the disbursements of any funds that might come
from the central government, as well as to manage any local funds.

1. Governors shall have the following honours, powers, and obligations:

a. To hold imperium and have the honor of being preceeded by six lictors
solely within the jurisdiction of their provincia;
b. To proclaim those edicta (edicts) necessary to engage in those tasks
which advance the mission and function of Nova Roma solely within the
jurisdiction of their provincia (such edicts being binding upon themselves
as well as others);
c. To manage the day-to-day organization and administration of their provincia;
d. To appoint legati (legates) to administer sub-divisions of their
province with all of the authority of the governor and to remove the same
as they see fit;
e. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other
tasks, as the governor shall see fit.

2. The titles for provincial governors are as follow:
a. Those currently serving as consuls or praetors shall go by their normal
title;
b. Consuls serving as governors whose term in office as consul has expired,
yet who are continuing in their role as governor, shall be called
proconsuls;
c. Praetors serving as governors whose term in office as praetor has
expired, yet who are continuing in their role as governor, as well as those
citizens whom the Senate shall appoint who are not currently serving as
consul or praetor shall be called propraetors."

B. Regio, Legati Title, and Area.

1. DANICA

Legatus Regionis Danicae, (Legate of the Danish Region)
Area = equivalent to Denmark.

2. FINNICA

Legatus Regionis Finnicae, (Legate of the Finnish Region)
Area = equivalent to Finland and Åland.

3. NORVEGICA

Legatus Regionis Norvegicae, (Legate of the Norweigian Region)
Area = equivalent to Norway.

4. SUECICA

Legatus Regionis Suecicae, (Legate of the Swedish Region)
Area = equivalent to Sweden.

C. Administrative Infrastructure

1. The Legati Thules must provide the Propraetor Thules with the standard
contact information (e-mail address, (snail) mail address and telephone
number). This information about the cives of each Regio shall be requested
by the Legati for their Regio on a quarterly basis from the Censores and
forwarded to the Propraetor Thules. The Propraetor will keep records of
these details, and ensure that all Legati know how to contact the
Propraetor, the other Legati and all cives. The primary method of
administrative communication will be via e-mail, with mail and telephone
being used when e-mail is not available.

2. The names of the Legati Thules will be displayed, with their locations,
on the Thule website, with links to their e-mail addresses. Prospective
citizens will be encouraged to contact the Legatus for their Regio as a
line of first enquiry. There will be separate pages on the Thule website
for each Regio. Legati are also encouraged to establish web sites for their
Regiones, which will then be linked to the Thule website.

3. The Propraetor of Thule will appoint Legati, whose positions will be
reaffirmed each year on the first of January, by the Propraetor, if the
Propraetor so decides. When a legateship becomes open, the Praetor shall
invite all citizens in the relevant Regio to put themselves forward as
candidates for office. All citizens residing within that Regio shall be
eligible to stand for such office. The choice of Legatus shall be at the
Propraetor's discretion, to be determined by any means deemed appropriate.
If the Propraetor deems it appropriate, he will wait to appoint a Legatus
for a Regio until he finds a suitable person to appoint as Legatus for that
Regio.

4. The Propraetor can appoint Prolegati (Provisional Legati on Trial) for a
period of not more than four months for Regiones without a regular Legatus.
Prolegati fill all the functions of regular Legati. All Prolegati can be
appointed or dismissed at any time by the Propraetor Thules.

5. The Propraetor Thules shall at all times retain the right of veto over
all actions of the Legati.

6. All Legati shall retain the right to resign from their positions at any
time, without penalty, provided they provide a reason for their resignation.

D. Duties and Responsibilities for the Legati and other officials of Thule

1. The Legati Thules will establish and maintain personal contacts as far,
as is possible with the citizens resident in the Regio for which they are
responsible. The Legati shall act as a point of first contact and enquiry
for interested prospective citizens, and are asked to offer advice to such
prospective citizens concerning application for Nova Roman citizenship,
information, etc. The Legati shall also act as a point of first contact for
existing citizens, to whom they are also asked to offer advice relating to
any aspect of Nova Roma to the best of their abilities.

2. The Legati
2.1. are encouraged to correspond regularly with the Propraetor Thules,
reporting new developments or events in their Regios, and asking advice
where necessary.
2.2. shall also actively seek advice and direction from the Provinica
Propraetor.
2.3. shall be prepared to assist the Propraetor in any projects that are
undertaken concerning Thule.
2.4. are to ensure a minimum degree of communication
2.5. are required to present reports on their Regiones to the Propraetor
twice yearly, on or close before the 31 November and 30 May. These reports
may be brief, but should outline, to the best of the Legatus' knowledge:
A. the current population of his or her Regio.
B. the events, which have been held in connection with Nova Roma
during the past six months in his or

her Regio
C. the plan for the next six months
D. any further information, which the Legatus may deem useful or
necessary.
2.6. who fail to produce such reports within one month of the expected date
(31 November and 30 May), without good reason or prior explanation or
passivity in the leadership of his/her Regio may dismissed as a Legatus by
the Propraetor.

3. The Legati Thules are encouraged to participate in further activities to
promote Nova Roma and the Provincia. Legati will make contacts with local
institutions in order to facilitate the exchange of information.

4. The Legati Thules shall take care of the day-to-day administration of
the Regiones for which they are responsible, but they shall remain at all
times subordinate, and answerable to the Propraetor Thules. If at any time
the Propraetor has cause to believe that an individual Legatus is failing
to fulfil his or her duties to a reasonable standard, or indulging in
activities which are illegal under the law in each Nordic (Thule) country
(Regio), the Propraetor will contact the Legatus to be warned of the
possible consequences of such action, and ask for an improvement in
standards. If no, or an inadequate response, is forthcoming, the Propraetor
may dismiss the Legatus, and arrange for the appointment of a new Legatus
as a replacement.

5. The Propraetor Thules may appoint one Senior Legatus, this could be an
separate position or held together with one of the Legatus Regionis
positions. The Senior Legatus shall function as Deputy to the Propraetor
when so ordered by the Propraetor Thules. The Propraetor shall publish an
edictum for each occasion that the Senior Legatus shall function as his
Deputy. The Edictum shall include directives for the assignment including
time for the assignment and the actual task. The Senior Legati can also be
assigned special missions, aside the assignments as Deputy, by the
Propraetor Thules. These missions and the duration of them will be
specified in Propraetorian edicts. The appointment and dismissal of the
Senior Legatus shall follow the same rules as for the other Legati.

6. The Propraetor may appoint a "Consilium Provinciale Thules" (The
Provincial Council of Thule) to advice the Propraetor, who shall act as
Chairman and call the Consilium to order. The Consilium shall consider only
those issues put forward to it by the Propraetor Thules; the Consilium can
not in itself put issues on the agenda, although its members can make such
suggestion personally to the Propraetor. The Propraetor shall act as
Secterarius for the Consilium and keep the minutes. The Propraetor can, as
he wishes, decide to not follow the counsel of the Consilium Provinciale
Thules. Members will be all Legates and Prolegates, including the Senior
Legatus. The Propraetor will also be able to call other cives to sit in the
Consilium, these members will be called "Consiliarius" or "Consiliaria".
Consiliarii can be appointed or dismissed at any time by the Propraetor
Thules. The Consiliarii normally sits for the same period as the Legati.
The Consilium will not function to exclude cives, but to unite the
provincial leadership so that it in its turn can function as a center for
all communication, work and contact within the Provincia.

7. The Propraetor Thules shall appoint a "Praeco Aranei Thules" (Provincial
webmaster, Crier of the Web of Thule) for the homepage for Provincia Thule
and a "Praefectus Sermonis Thules" (Provincial List Moderator, Head of
Speech of Thule) to arrange for the administration of the Thule e-mail
list. The Praeco Aranei Thules and the Praefectus Sermonis Thules can be
appointed or dismissed at any time by the Propraetor Thules.

8. The leadership (the Consilium) of the Provincia, shall work together to
make Nova Roma and Thule strong in all possible ways: Roman Religio,
personal meetings, seminars/conferences, financial work, other work within
Nova Roma and so on. The Propraetor shall, as the Provincia get enough
enthusiastic cives, appoint "Procuratores" for each of these activities.
For now the Propraetor will act as Procurator Aerarium (Provincial
Quaestor), until such time as this position can be filled by a willing
civis. The Propraetor shall also appoint one position to deal with external
contacts (external contacts with universities, museums, schools, mass media
and other interesting organisations), who will be called "Legatus ad Res
Externas" (Legate for External Affairs), who also will have to keep in
touch with the Sodalitas Egressus. All Procuratores and the Legatus ad Res
Externas can be appointed or dismissed at any time by the Propraetor Thules.

9. The Propraetor Thules shall appoint a Legatus Militum (Military Tribune)
who is responsible for all contacts with re-enactment Legions and showing
Roman military uniforms and weapon on Roman days and the like. The Legatus
Militia also is responsible for all military studies of the Roman army and
navy, within Provincia Thule. The Propraetor Thules may appoint a young man
or woman to the position of Contubernalis Provincia (Provinsial Adjutant),
the personal military assistant to the Propraetor. The Legatus Militum and
the Contubernalis Provincia can be appointed or dismissed at any time by
the Propraetor Thules.

10. The Propraetor Thules may appoint magistrates, to administer the
Provincial Nova Roman populations of individual towns or areas. This will
soon be regulated by Nova Roma Roma legislation, and then the Propraetor
Thules will complement this edict on this issue.

11. Until such time as the Constitutional provisions regarding the
administration of Provincia are changed the following officials will been
seen as ordinari Legati according to the Constitution of Nova Roma:
1. Senior Legatus 2. Prolegati 3. The Consiliarii.

12. Until such time as the Constitutional provisions regarding the
administration of Provincia are changed the following officials will been
seen as ordinari Scribae according to the Constitution of Nova Roma:
1. The Praeco Aranei Thules 2. The Praefectus Sermonis Thules. 3. Legatus
ad Res Externas 4. Procuratores
5. Legatus Militum 6. Contubernalis Provincia.

13. The Legates, Scribae and other officials constitute the Cohors
Propraetoris (the staff of the Propraetor) and the Propraetorium is the HQ,
Residens and Captal of the Propraetor.

14. Candidates for the office of Legatus and other officials of Thule
should be aware that participation in rites pertaining to the Religio
Romana (the pagan state religion of Nova Roma) might be required of them in
the course of their duties. Should such participation cause difficulties
for prospective officials, they are advised not to apply for the post.

15. All officials in Provincia Thule are asked to, within one week for the
appointment date, swear the public oath shown on
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html, using both their Nova
Roman name and within parenthesis their macroworld (real) name. Observe
that the Oath of must include all appointed positions of each cives. The
Oath must be published on the NovaRomaThule List and the Nova Roma Roma
Main List!

II. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given April 15th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules

Vale

Christer Edling
alias
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
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Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum VIII about the Approved Plan for Activities for the organisation of THule 2754 - 2756
From:	Christer Edling <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Sun, 15 Apr 2001 02:12:24 +0200

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Edictum Propraetoricium VIII
about the Approved Plan for Activities for the organisation of Thule 2754 -
2756

I. Due to the size of this undertaking to organise Thule, the plan will be
phased in order to progress forward incrementally during more than 2 and a
half years. In this section the activities that will be undertaken during
this whole period of organisation will be shown. These activities do not
constitute all we will attempt, and any further input from citizens is
strongly encouraged.

1. Although the Internet holds Nova Roma together as an international
community, we believe that it is also important to organise face-to-face
formal and informal gatherings at the local level. Where members will be
able to meet each other, and share their enthusiasm for Roman culture.
2. We have found that not all Roman lovers want to be part of Nova Roma, so
we will try to gather those who have an overall interest in Old Rome. From
this group we intend to cultivate future citizens. Since we are
predominately an Internet organisation, and rely on this medium for the
communication of information, we should try to find citizens with this in
mind.
3. We should concentrate our efforts in our Home locations, as this makes
all logistics easier. Being very busy on many fronts, things move slowly,
but progress will move steadily forward! What follows is a short list of
the areas we are currently concentrating on. These are some activities that
will be moved forward to further Nova Roman culture in Thule, and
facilitate organisation.

A. Web Site for Thule
We will start by saying we are not web wizards, but we are capable and
willing to learn. It will hopefully develop into a site that will act as a
conduit for all individuals and institutions in Thule to reach the
individuals and institutions in our Provincia. We want as many people to
visit the Thule website as possible, so we plan to have some interesting
attractions set up on the site. Another important part of the website will
be a Links Page between the institutions in Thule and those of Nova Roma.
It is hoped that this Link Page will be a valuable resource in facilitating
the spread of Roman Culture. We plan to compile a contact links list to
include the following institutions; Universities; Museums; High Schools;
The Arts Community; The Military; Law Enforcement; Government; Colleges;
Fire Dept.; Clubs; The Ethnic Community; Shut Ins and the Disabled;
Seniors; etc., etc. We believe that this contact list will be a powerful
weapon the use to further the interests of Thule, and Nova Roma.

We will be very proactive citizens for Nova Roma and ensure information is
pushed in both directions. We will maintain a list of citizens in Thule
(following any privacy laws in Nova Roma) and details such the citizens of
our Provincia wish to share. There will be separate Pages or sites for each
of the four Regiones of Thule, and maybe, in the future, a Page for
establishment of a new Re-enactment Legio.

B. Recruitment
Once it has been determined which organisations will be the most fruitful
to approach, we will begin recruitment. Presenting our micro-nation, and
what we have to offer to prospective citizens. We think that once it
becomes known what Nova Roma is about, we will see a dramatic raise in
applications for citizenship here in Thule. Our goals for actual numbers
are to have 20 citizens for the entire Provincia by the end of 2001. We
intend to operate the Provincia on a Jan.-to-Jan. schedule, the same as in
Nova Roma. For the period of Jan 2002 to Jan 2003, we hope to have 32
citizens. We are going to try to reach the general public with the media.
We are interested in what is happening in the Universities. We believe this
to be an area where our Provincia can expand. We will try to contact a
group in one of the universities in each Regio to see if someone will be
willing to participate in this. The Recruitment plan we have been working
on will be as dynamic as our fertile imaginations can make it. This will be
necessary in order to capture the minds of prospective citizens.

C. Finances
As we are starting the Provincia administration from scratch, all areas of
finance must be organised. We will start by making a budget for Jan.
2001-Jan. 2002, and submit it to the Senate as was requested of all the
Provinciae this last fall. We will then continue by establishing a bank
account for Thule before the end of 2001, which will be used as our main
treasury. For now the Propraetor will act as Procurator Aerarium, until
such time as a more suitable candidate can fill this position. It is
assumed that the Provincia will run in the red until our finances right
themselves. There is also the important question of taxes for Nova Roma,
and, should taxes become a reality, then we will have to follow any
procedures given to the Provincia. The Propraetor will be to issuing
various Edicta, depending on any rules and regulations that we may have to
follow concerning our organisation. We will maybe register Thule as a
non-profit organisation, and once this is done we may apply for a Lotteries
License. We than hope to hold fundraising events, and hope to be able to
accept tax-deductible donations. Then we will put together a proposal for
Thule that will be used to apply for any government cultural grants
available, and more importantly for Corporate grants. We also plan to, in
the future, hold various fundraising events such as Toga Parties where we
hope to have Gladiatorial combats as a draw. The fundraising is mainly for
the payment of taxes, projects, communications, and advertisement.

D. Infrastructure for Thule
The plan we have for the Infrastructure of Thule will be used in order to
make the administration fill out, and to facilitate the Provincia
operations. As the State is planning to organise a judicial system, we
believe it will not be necessary to establish dual institutions for
internal Provincia adjudication. The Propraetor has the power of Imperium
within the Provincia to make any internal rulings needed. We would like it
to be known that this Activities Plan is necessary in order to be able to
properly absorb the new members into Thule, and to ensure that both the
citizen and Nova Roma benefit the most from interaction. I truly believe
that Thule will have a population of more than thirty citizens for the
period of Jan. 2002 and Jan. 2003. These numbers are achievable with the
proper diligence and planning.

E. Spread of Nova Roman Culture
In order to spread Nova Roman culture, it is believed that the creation of
various small groups will be of great importance. These organisations are
designed to attract Rome-lovers, who will be approached for Nova Roman
citizenship. Our hope is that persons interested will also want to be part
of our Republic. It is hoped that these groups will help to hold our
Provincia closer together by drawing out and expanding on the individual
citizens' interests.

F. The Grand opening of the Provincia of Thule
We are planning to have our Grand opening in July 2001, but we intend to
phase our Provincia Plan, and phase one for all projects will hopefully be
completed by July 2001, which is when we plan to have a Grand Opening for
the Provincia of Thule. At this time the entire completed and tested
Website will be up and running, ready for exploration. This site will be
approx. 10 MB of internal files, not counting external links, so it will be
large. It is hoped that there will be many visitors to our Grand Opening.

This brings to a close this plan for Provinicia Thule. We will continue to
work with vigilance, ensuring the emergence of a well balanced and Ruled
Provincia. We understand things take time, but we will continue to work for
what we feel is required. We have planed for this slowness, and have in
fact made it a positive aspect by making our plans push along steadily.
There is no looking back now for Thule and we fully intend to make this
Provincia a powerhouse.

II. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given April 15th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules

Vale

Christer Edling
alias
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
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Subject:	[novaroma] Report about the state of the Provincia Thule
From:	Christer Edling <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Sun, 15 Apr 2001 02:14:24 +0200

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Renuntatio Propraetoricium I
about the state of the Provincia Thule

15 April 2001
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, Propraetor Thules

Salve All!

This is a report from the Provincia to the citizens of Thule. This report
will address the present state of our Provincia, and what actions will be
taken to organise it.

First, the state of the Provincia: Thule is one of the oldest and largest
Provinciae of Nova Roma, and has a small but growing Nova Roman population,
which is currently unorganised. The Provincia is located in the northern
part of Europe, and has a non- Nova Roman population of about 24.000.000.
There are twelve citizens located all across the Provincia, divided into
eight Gentes. They are:

Gens Curia located in Regio Danica and Regio Finnica, 4 members,
Paterfamilias Titus Curius Dannicus

Gens Fabia located in Regio Suecica, 1 member, (Paterfamilias Quintus
Fabius Maximus in California)

Gens Fennia located in Regio Finnica, 1 member, Paterfamilias Iulius
Fennicus Angelos

Gens Galiciana located in Regio Suecica, 1 member, Paterfamilias Artus
Galicianus Jacobus

Gens Hadriana located in Regio Suecica, 2 members, Paterfamilias Magnus
Hadrianus Ingmarius Cogitatus Thuleus

Gens Minucia located in Regio Suecicae, 1 member, (Paterfamilias Marcus
Minucius Audens in Nova Britannia)

Gens Octavia located in Regio Suecica , 1 member, (Paterfamilias Marcus
Octavius Germanicus in Lacus Magnus)

Gens Rubellius located in Regio Norvegica, 1 member, Paterfamilias Gaius
Rubellius Rufus

I will have to organize the Provincia from scratch. As there is no more to
report on the present organisation of Thule, I will now move on to what
actions will be taken to organise the administration our Provincia. When I
started organising I discovered that there was no formal Provincial
Administration for Thule. I then studied Nova Roma and found that the
Provincia of Canada Occidentalis had a very good administrative
organisation. I modified it to fit Thule, and our new administration system
(Regula) will act as a blue print for future expansion.

I hereby publicly thank the Illustrus Propraetor of Canada Occidentalis,
Tribunus Plebis and Quaestor Quintus Sertorius for letting me use his
document. Thank you, citizens of Nova Roma, for your interest and I hope I
have not wasted your time.

Given April 15th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules

Vale

Christer Edling
alias
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: The Client Patron Relationship
From:	"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@-------->
Date:	Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:30:59 -0700

Salvete Pompeia Cornelia,

I'm afraid I should have held up the "take this humorously sign". Sorry. I
really like everyone in your Gens that I have had the chance to interact
with. One of my Legates is Cornelian the other a Cornelian "client". I meant
this as a poke in the ribs of my friends and co-workers.

Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
(This is an unofficial post for which I assume full responsibility)
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"Indeed, it is not by the plans of men, but by the hand of God that the
affairs of men are directed; and this men call Fate, not knowing the reason
for what things they see occur; and what seems to be without cause is easy
to call the accident of chance. Still, this is a matter every mortal will
decide for himself according to his taste."
-Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s]
----- Original Message -----
From: <trog99@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 11:22 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: The Client Patron Relationship


> ---
> Salve Lucius Marucius Procopious:
>
> Well, as one of "those" Cornelians, I just posted on complete
> disclosure "without prejudice" against those parties concerned. It
> doesn't matter if a candidate is a client of my Pater or Iulius Caesar
> himself. I don't think it should be so private a matter that your
> constituents should not be made aware of the situation.
>
> Keep in mind that I have been in Cornelia for well over a year now; I
> enjoy an excellent relationship with my Paterfamilias. I am speaking
> out of principle, and I stick by my opinion.
>
> Nobody is expecting you to fire your "appointed" (not elected) legate
> (who is a very good man) simply because he patronizes Lucius Cornelius
> Sulla. I am afraid you are reading more into my post than what is
> truly there.
>
> Vale,
> Pompeia Cornelia
>
>
> In novaroma@--------, "Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@h...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes,
> > I would like to remind everyone that the timing of Quintus Sertorius
> > announcement worked unfairly against him. He is not the only
> official
> > elected without disclosing bonds to a client/patron. Unfortunately,
> he chose
> > to be honest, as others had, at the wrong time. Lest we forget prior
> to this
> > current thread the acceptability of revealing such bonds was
> questionable.
> > He may have been waiting for approval from his Patron to reveal the
> bond.
> > Timing seems to be the real issue here.
> > Should I remove Oppius Flaccus from his legateship now that he has
> revealed
> > his bond to L. Cornelius Sulla? He was not forthcoming at the time
> of his
> > appointment. No! His bond at that time was perceived as private.
> I'll let
> > him keep his job even if he is linked with those Cornelians. :)
> >
> > Lucius Mauricius Procopious
> > Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
> > (This is an unofficial post for which I assume full responsibility)
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > procopious@--------
> > ICQ# 83516618
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> > http://www.egroups.com/group/AmBor_Waves
> > * The Gens Mauricia
> > http://www.geocities.com/procopious
> >
> > "Indeed, it is not by the plans of men, but by the hand of God that
> the
> > affairs of men are directed; and this men call Fate, not knowing the
> reason
> > for what things they see occur; and what seems to be without cause
> is easy
> > to call the accident of chance. Still, this is a matter every mortal
> will
> > decide for himself according to his taste."
> > -Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died
> c.560s]
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <trog99@-------->
> > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:50 AM
> > Subject: [novaroma] Re: The Client Patron Relationship
> >
> >
> > > --- (snipped for brevity)
> > >
> > > Salvete Omnes:
> > >
> > > Without prejudice to those parties concerned , I am in agreement
> with
> > > Lucius Sicinius Drusus: I think, although such a practise could
> never
> > > be successfully legislated, that disclosures of a client/patron
> > > relationship should be made by an electorial candidate at the
> outset
> > > of an election, or atleast during the election, and not afterward.
> It
> > > is a matter of "complete" disclosure. Granted, a candidate may
> not
> > > think this is a matter of importance to his performance in a given
> > > magistracy, but his prospective constituents might have differing
> > > views, and they have a right to know all the facts, in
> consideration
> > > of their voting decisions.
> > >
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > > Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Salvete,
> > > > I see nothing wrong with a mentor/student relationship, nor even
> a
> > > > model that more closely follows that of antiquita as long as it
> made
> > > > clear that some kind of bond exists in the matter of public
> > > officals.
> > > > The actions of private indiviuals aren't my concern.
> > > >
> > > > I started this thread with no more than a request that any
> person
> > > who
> > > > has entered a client/patron relationship make it known as a
> matter
> > > of
> > > > personal honesty.
> > > >
> > > > Lest any mistake my words,
> > > > I have no reason to suspect that Quintus Sertorius and Lucius
> > > > Cornelius Sulla Felix entered into any kind of disreputable
> > > agreement
> > > > and I do NOT accuse them of this. I have no reason to think that
> > > > Quintus Sertorius intends to be a "tame tribune". Any one who
> has
> > > read
> > > > the posts our new Tribune made prior to the election will know
> that
> > > > it's beyond the powers of Lucius Cornelius or any other person
> to
> > > > "tame" Quintus Sertorius. My only problem with the relationship
> is
> > > > that there are some citizens who would have considered this a
> factor
> > > > when deciding how to vote and this relationship should have been
> > > > disclosed prior to the election.
> > > >
> > > > Am I against the Client/Patron relationship? NO. I wish to see a
> > > > modern version of it OPENLY practiced in our Res Publica. Am I
> in
> > > > favor of leges regarding this relationship? NO. I think they
> will be
> > > > unenforcable. Lucius Cornelius mentioned his desire for enacting
> > > some
> > > > leges on this matter in his reply, and I did mention a source
> where
> > > an
> > > > ancient law is mentioned as a source that could be used in a
> debate
> > > on
> > > > what those leges would consist of.
> > > >
> > > > I Am in favor of practicing this tradition openly and honestly,
> and
> > > > think that those who hold office should make this known as a
> matter
> > > of
> > > > personal honesty.
> > > >
> > > > Valete,
> > > > Lucius Sicinius Drusus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: The Client Patron Relationship
From:	Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@-------->
Date:	Sun, 15 Apr 2001 02:54:33 +0200

Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:
> --- Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@--------> escribió: >
> > Harold Bailey, in the "Hidden Meaning of Words," notes
> > that the "ak" sound clearly denotes power and control
> > for the the Entire Indo-European language group.
> >
> > Act, Axe, Facses (fak-says), magistrate, akhnaton,
> > allahu akbar, iuppiter maximus, magnanimus...(in the
> > latin there appears to have been a labial drift which
> > attaches the "m" sound in front of the power "ak, ag,
> > ax")...achaea, chaos, agammemnon, aleskander,
> > pontifex, attack, and so on...
> >
>
> Great piece of writing. But I'd like to correct you, if I may. Both
> "akhnaton" (Egyptian) and "Allahu akbar" (Arab) are not Indo-European
> words. Sorry.
((snipped))

Salve, Iasone Serene.

I must ask, what is "facses"? I know of fasces, used by lictors, but I
haven't heard of "facses". I admit, english isn't my native language,
and latin most certainly isn't, so if this is some basic word I lack in
my vocabulary, please feel free to laugh in my face. And where's the
"ak" in chaos? If you're including the "ka"-sound in your text, it would
explain the word "aleskander", whose meaning I've yet to divine. It
sounds close to Alexander, which is indeed a name of power. Pontifex is,
to my knowledge, pronounced "pontif-ex", where we have an "ex"-sound,
yet in this case I would support your thesis.

However, considering the 6 million words making up the english language
alone, I'm pretty sure any given sound could be demonstrated to mean
anything. For help on making this sort of connections, I advise you to
consult "Suppressed Transmission", or it's sequel, "ST 2", by Kenneth
Hite. It also tells you about the interesting fact that Hitler was born
on Black Friday and died on Walpurgisnacht. This is true, yet
considering the number of holidays invented by various religions,
adjusted to the various calendars, it's very hard (read: impossible) to
find a day not connected with some kind of holiday.

The point I'm trying to make is, don't use coincidences to make a point.
Most things can be proven by coincidence, facts and a desire to prove
something. And besides, in what way was that whole "ak"-business
relevant to your main argument, the inherent viciousness of the
client/patron-relationship? First you ramble on about this "ak"-thing,
trying to make it sound evil, then you search for anything even close to
that sound in anything connected to the government and/or legislation of
Nova Roma.

I'll say no more, since I don't really know what else to say. However, I
feel rather strongly on this point, and will gladly make a (however
stupid) point for those with algebraic skills.

a=b <starting equation>
ab=b^2 <when multiplied with b>
ab-a^2=b^2-a^2 <when subtracting a^2>
a(b-a)=(b+a)(b-a) <rewritten>
a=b+a <when divided by (b-a)>
a=2a <since a=b>
1=2 <when divided by a>

Thus, with a true premise, through valid operations, I arrive at an
obviously false conclusion. How come? I lose track of the big picture,
concentrating on the details. When dividing with (b-a), I divide by
zero, since b=a. Division by zero is, in mathematics, a Bad Thing. Let's
try your reasoning:

client/patron=inequality
inequality=power over peers
power over peers=corruption
corruption=Bad Thing

Ok, I agree with the first and last, yet I fail how to see how the basic
inequality in a patron/client-relationship leads to corruption. Granted,
the relationship could quite possibly be abused this way, through the
patron leading the client to share his views and values, yet as long as
we don't walk the path of Roma Antiqua, obligating the client to vote as
his patron desires, he still makes the final decision himself. Unless
the patron deliberately lies to his client, the client will still
receive a view, however biased, upon which to make a decision of his
own. Trying to persuade others to share your opinions is legal in most
modern countries, practiced by parents around the world, shaping their
offspring in their own image. Would you deny parents the right to share
their opinions with their children, since the children should be
presented with an unbiased view of the world? I'm not sure if you've
considered the consequences of your statement.

And yes, all power in a non-utopian setting leads to corruption, yet it
must exist for any semblance of society. To win something, you must risk
something. "No pain, no gain", I think the american expression would be.

Obviously, we don't share the same opinion regarding this matter. I'm
sorry if my somewhat harsh language in this mail causes you undue
stress, yet I've only previously heard similar reasoning employed in
roleplaying games, and the thought of anyone considering our beloved Res
Publica being an elaborate RPG sort of set me off. I'm sure this most
definitely was not your intention, I'm merely explaining my overly surly
disposition throughout this mail.

Why I am still posting it, if I've realized this wasn't what you meant?
I just spent too much time writing my angry retort for me to want to
waste it...:)

And yes, all power in a non-utopian setting leads to corruption, yet it
must exist for any semblance of society. To win something, you must risk
something. "No pain, no gain", I think the american expression would be.

Vale,

Titus Octavius Pius,
Consilarius Thules,
Praeco Anarei Thules,
Scriba to the Curator Araneum

AKA Kristoffer From

((PLEASE NOTE: Though I use my titles, this mail is in no way an
official document of any of my current positions. If it was, it would
currently be residing in my "trashcan".))

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Subject:	[novaroma] Home again/many thanks!
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:20:30 -0400

Salve,

I have returned home at long last from the hospital and was floored to see
such a tremendous outpouring of love and good wishes from the people here.
It is truly touching and makes the homecoming all the sweeter.

I also wish to publicly thank my dedicated scribes who have so aptly handled
things in my absence. I thank them in advance for continuing to do so as
the next few weeks see myself and Juliana Vedia settle into our new lives
here at home.

Good night and.........again........many thanks to all.

:) Vale,

Priscilla Vedia Serena




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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: The Client Patron Relationship
From:	mansker@--------
Date:	Sun, 15 Apr 2001 01:40:47 -0000

>
> Ok, I agree with the first and last, yet I fail how to see how the
basic
> inequality in a patron/client-relationship leads to corruption.
Granted,
> the relationship could quite possibly be abused this way, through
the
> patron leading the client to share his views and values, yet as
long as
> we don't walk the path of Roma Antiqua, obligating the client to
vote as
> his patron desires, he still makes the final decision himself.
Unless
> the patron deliberately lies to his client, the client will still
> receive a view, however biased, upon which to make a decision of his
> own. Trying to persuade others to share your opinions is legal in
most
> modern countries, practiced by parents around the world, shaping
their
> offspring in their own image. Would you deny parents the right to
share
> their opinions with their children, since the children should be
> presented with an unbiased view of the world? I'm not sure if you've
> considered the consequences of your statement.
>
I would like to add my thoughts to this debate.

As noted in the above paragraph, parents share their opinions with
their children. As Nova Roma is set up, all of us belong to a gens,
which becomes our "Family".

I know, at least in my gens, that we discuss and share ideas with one
another regarding political and socio-economic opinions, and talk
about a number of things, amongst them the elections.

Does this make us client/patrons? No. It does, however, fit some of
the definitions of clients and patrons, as we discuss and argue whom
and what to vote for. Does my pater tell me where to vote? No. But
he does, as my pater, let me know what he thinks about the different
issues and tells me his thoughts on the edicts and elections.

The idea that a new person, who needs assistance, could establish a
relationship with an older member, who is willing to give that
assistance, does not constitue corrupt behaviour anymore than joining
a gens does. When joining a gens, you are given assistance by other
older and hopefully wiser members. You are helped in making
decisions on a number of things, and are told about the more common
arguements/ideas/issues of the day. A client/patron relationship
would constitute the same thing.

The idea that a patrons dignitas is directly affected by how is
client does is no different on a pater's dignitas being affected by
what a member of his gens does.

I have read (exhaustively) all of the posts on this subject, and
would like to just advance the idea that we are all clients/patrons
in NovaRoma to a greater or lessor degree.

Any other thoughts on this? I would welcome additional comments,
either posted here or in my e-mail.

Thank you,

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Subject:	[novaroma] On Following the Backside of Another
From:	iasonvs_serenvs@--------
Date:	Sun, 15 Apr 2001 02:06:39 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

Would you know that I wrote nearly half of the following post (of
course in a better form that survived in my feeble memory) before a
thoughtless finger sent into the ether for all irretrievable eternity?

Let me see if I can reconstruct it...

In reconsidering my last post, I realized that I am an inestimable
buffoon, which is a good thing, as I am thus prevented for believing
myself to be a a better man than I am...

Let me, then, restate.

All human groups are subject to corruption. All human systems of
relations deteriorate over time. What enables corruption to
understood as corruption is the context in which it is viewed. A
naked woman, for example, in the midst of a cackle of Calvinist
ministers might serve merely as an annoyance. Being Calvinists, and
members of the Elect, they are already certain of their souls, and
can go about life unbothered by the vagaries of a delicious fate, or
a nasty one, for that matter. The same equally naked woman, standing
rather innocently at the center of a cheating husband's recovery
group is another matter entirely.

I believe that the trick to understanding what factors are corrosive
to an organization's interractions and operations is understanding
the avenues of its communication and control. A corrosive influence
is information which congests, decays or destroys the very channel
which carries it. A virus, from the perspective of the host, is
corrosive information, especially if it is a succesful virus.

All human groups have a structure of command and communication,
though it operates generally at a greater magnitude than one mere
person can observe. The internet community is only a community
because of computers, fiber optics and the rules that govern their
usage. Information follows that paths that suit it, or are available
to it. Those paths, if you will, may be cables, wires, blood
vessels, data streams, or roadways.

Let us continue this exercise using roads as a example. Most of us
are likely more familiar with the uses of roads than we are with some
of the theories and laws which attempt to explain and govern the
transfer of data packets.

Let's say that I am comfortably reclining in my little family mazda,
blithely barreling down the highway at a reasonable eighty miles per
hour, when suddenly the car in front of me slams his damnable foot
against the brake pedal, turns his car 180 degrees and makes for me
as if I were some phantom through which he may plunge with impunity.
Besides being a but of a rat bastard, he has placed us both in
immediate danger of ending our mortal existences. Or have I?

Here is where the understaning comes into play. To understand this
situation, we must first understand the rules which govern the
transfer of data (the cars) along its pathway (the road). As we have
it here in the States, cars traveling on one side of the road must
travel in the same direction. I hear that you Canadiennes do it
differently north of the border, which is why there are so few of
you...

The jerk in front of me has changed direction. Have we both been
travelling in the right direction? If so, then he has now violated
the accepted means of communication and/or control. If not, we must
assume that we both, at some time, were in violation of the rules of
the road, that he has righted the situation, whilst I have not.

How do we know which side of the road to drive on in the first
place? Precedent, tradition, law - in short rules agreed to or
forced upon us. As long as most people use one side of the road to
travel one direction, and the other side to go in the opposite
direction, we're all relatively free to go about a business.

But what happens if several persons begin to travel about the roads
as they please, going any which way their hearts desire? Accidents,
no? These persons have become corrosive influences with regards to
the use of the roads. At a critical threshold, when the corrosion
outmanifests the cooperation, the system begins to decay, decline, or
crash.

How do we know what, in this case, is a corruption of the system? By
the rules we establish, or accept, to govern the usage of the roads.
These rules are made severally evident by the employment of
education, road signs, and custom. We judge corrosion by the rules
and images we establish to govern our various systems.

Let me extend this just a but further. Let's assume for a moment
that Congress passes a law to the effect that a driver's vehicular
behavior will be governed and judged by the behavior of the persons
immediately in front and behind of them. The justification for this
law rests on the premise that a person should be judged by his
circimstances and environment, not some external and arbitrary
standard which cannot, will not, and does not take into consideration
the conditions of his or her birth, education, lack there of, and,
indeed, they myriads triumphs and defeats of his or her existence.
The nation applauds the wisdom of that august body, and returns to
its business, individual and aggregate.

Soon enough, though, the citizens of this great nation (as well as
many others) begin to question the sanity, and authority, of
legislative branch of government. It seems, according to news
reports, that the roads are a mess. Accidents occur with increasing
regularity. Road fatalities have skyrocketed. Businesses are
failing for lack of goods, and employees, as no one can use the
roads, what for all the wrecked cars and decaying bodies.

People begin to ask why.

The answer lies, now, in rules which have been established to govern
and judge the flow of traffic. Apparently, as reported by the major
netorks, using the person in front of you as the (legal) template for
your automobile operation impairs your ability to asses the greater
environment in which you operate.

The rules have become a corrosive influence on the system they were
intended to guide. A system governed poorly may not be the first to
collapse, but it will be one of the messiest.

Which brings us to Nova Roma, and the several issues now up for
discussion in this most envigorating and refreshing Forum Romanum.

In respect to those persons who took upon themselves the foundation
of this our true res publica, I offer you my gratitude and service.
In appreciation of those who have joined, I offer you my comraderie
and companionship along the way, for what little it is worth.

In respect of those persons who founded Nova Roma, I must offer my
honest ( and limited ) observations, in keeping with the noble Roman
virtues you so rightly support and celebrate.

Nova Roma threatens herself with extinction. The avenues for the
interactions of its members as Members of Nova Roma are in disarray.
The chief instrument of communication (the internet and this list)
are structurally supportive of obfuscation and insult. It is simply
too easy to hide behind our respective terminals, and play at
enlightened and forward thinking Novaromanae, without fear of
effective recourse from those we might attack, insult or work
against. This, incidentally, may not be construed as an advocation
of harmony at all costs. I love debate, competition, opposition,
discord and battle as much as I cherish serenity, calm, reflection
and meditation.

What threatens Nova Roma with its own decay is its very structure,
and, in places, lack thereof.

Although I have only been among you for a short, short time, I have
come to feel more loyalty and affection for the lot of you, than I do
for the rather dreary inhabitants of the sad Northern city in which I
daily find myself. I would like nothing more than to debate these
issues in real and ready forum, to hear Formosanus speak, I hope, as
eloquently as he writes. To see Quintus Fabius Maximus irk his
opponent with a quick jab to the mental eye. To watch Draco and
Procopius and the new Tribune Sertorius have at it without the
anonymity of the internet...

Alas, such is not yet the case...

Nor will we ever have that opportunity until we begin to work
actively towards that end, and end the endless debates about minutae
which are better tabled until such time as we have the luxury of
opportunity.

Opportunity will slip away, and this forum will remain a relic of the
electronic ether, or fade away into deserved obscurity, a laughable,
yet tragically admirable, experiment in marginalization.

To establish now, at the onset, and without physical interaction, a
legal and contractual endorsement of the client-patron relationship
will be disasterous. It will encourage all of the worst behaviors of
Old Rome without any of her manifold benefits. Let any voluntary
arrangements exists and operate as they already do...as voluntary.
Let us actively encourage the publication of these arrangements by
the parties involved, that we may all be aware of the cooperation,
allegiances, and efforts of our fellow citizens towards the end we
all desire, and is so well expressed by Consul Vedius, "Next year in
the Forum..."

In conclusion, let me say that I am ever grateful to all of you that
you take the time to muddle and wade through these numerous
correspondances, to respond, to debate, and to add to the sum of
human experience.

In all Honor to Rome,

Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs Peregrinvs










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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Submission to Erato
From:	"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
Date:	Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:43:38 -0400

Salvete,

Here are three poems that I submit for the festival.

Valete,
Helena Galeria Aureliana

#1
Stardust

The old ones - who childlike created stories to explain the universe -
Thought diamonds fallen stars
We, thinking scientifically,
Find carbon originated from particle clouds
Blown out of stars on a stellar wind
Which permeated our atmosphere
Bringing life's element to earth
>From some far-off sun.
'We're all made of stardust' laughs one astrophysicist,
Glorying in his triumph over ancient wisdom
Who smiles indulgently back

#2
Urban Renewal

As a mist over a ridge
I saw a snowstorm appear,
That soft gray wall a bridge
>From known to unclear,
Until its sweeping rush
Revealed each mote of white
As if the gale blew dust
At my window. Then my sight
Focused on falling crystals,
Bits of transmuting haze,
Eddying in slow spirals
To etch feathers in the glaze
Of snowflakes crushed on glass
Or following the wind around
To frost the grass.
Tiny sparkles mound
Under street lights.

#3
Metamophosis

May breezes full of lilac scents and lark songs
Bring softly swaying life to lilies;
Entice the new-warmed earth to enjoy
An age-old renewal of life from death.

Green vines of forsythia, dew-fresh;
Sweet fragrant honeysuckle, whose horns
Herald the soft season, wake memories
Of old promises, cherished hopes.

This thaw lets bitter thoughts of lost love
Blossom with sweet, tantalizing pain
Tendrils of present emptiness turn
To past pleasures for joy; like pansies

Whose roots feast on ordure, raise up bright
Faerie faces to follow the sun.
Crocus petals uncurl above crypts
Daffodils grow from death and decay.






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Subject:	[novaroma] Budget
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:50:00 -0400 (EDT)

Lucius Drusus;

May I respectfully suggest that you put your ideas for a Budget Lex into
a folder, and then write the Lex yourself. As I have said in this forum
on several occasions we have in Nova Roma about 5 times as many
"suggestions" as we have those willing to do something with them.

I have indicated to you that a budget was drawn up for this year. It
was drawn up by myself in the last month of the year. You may remember
at that time I was the Consul, and not a Quaestor. If myself and
Senator Cassia had not done the job, it would not have been done.

As you say, it should have been done earlier, but then there have been
much more important things in this Republic which should have been done
earlier as well. It was not done earlier, and the Senior Consul at the
time issued an Edict to cover the one month lapse. The problem was that
there was no-one else willing to do the job, or knew how to do it,
because I did the Budget in the year before that as well. Now that we
have established that there is a budget for the year 2001, and that it
has been approved by the Senate, and we have your apology for unduly
upsetting some 800 people, and we now know the how of why that situation
arose, we can perhaps take some action to deal wth it.

But wait, we may have already done that, by electing twice the Quaestors
that we have ever had before, by getting the Quaestors together for
discussions concerning financial matters, assigning Quaestors to all
Senior Magistrates, and insuring that both Consuls have Assensi (who are
Quaestors) who will remind them of this need in plenty of time. We
evolve here in Nova Roma, and sometimes we are caught out by
happenstance, the cure for which a Lex is not always the only nor the
best one available.
Yes, Citizen Drusus, we know that the Budget should be drawn up in
November, and when we have someone besides the Consul to do it, I am
sure that it will be done, as we have now, done on time, and submitted
to the Citizens for a vote-- if in fact there are enough Rogators to
have a vote which at that time there were not. However, since that time
we have also doubled the number of Rogators that we may have as well.

Frankly, considering the problems of the moment, at that time, I am not
sure how much good a Lex would have done. However, by all means, should
you wish to write one, I applaud your efforts. I would simply ask you
not to impose your ideas on someone else, and ask them to substitute
your schedule for thier own.

Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	[novaroma] Client/Patron/Mentor,etc. -My final thoughts
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:49:04 -0700

Salvete Quiritibus;

Well, the time has come for me to sign off of
the client/patron/mentor issue for now. I think
at least for the moment, that it has been beaten
to death and like some other issues here of late,
we have begun beating on the proverbial dead horse.

For those that are continually on the lookout for
any sign of disagreement, corruption, governmental
perversion and the like -I can but say that we disagree
and just because I'm stepping out of the fray for
now, does not mean I in any way intend to even *imply*
that anyone is being stifled. By all means, please
continue to go ahead and debate away.

To Iasonvs Serenvs, I can only say for now that
your posts are interesting and the references
to Nietzsche, roads, the inevitable corruption
of human groups, etc. are unique. At the end
of these posts, the ultimate result seems to be
of course that you disagree with such an abhorrent
practice as client/patron so your opinion has
been duly noted next to that of Draco and Formosanus.

To Titus Octavius; I appreciate your thoughts
and summation on the matter. You have stated
exactly the intent of what I was originally
discussing in a very apt and succinct manner.
Those that wish to continue to disagree or miss
the point may do so at their own discretion.
Also my appreciation to Propraetors Caeso Fabius
and Procopius for understanding the discussion
as well.

To L. Sicinus and Gnaeus Salix -you both have
been made some excellent points in the discussion.
Though I didn't agree with all of them, many I did -the
arguments were extremely well stated and I immensely
appreciate you both taking the time to comment
in such an erudite manner. Gratias multas. Our
discussions in Nova Roma need no DEMAND such thoughtful
responses and debate on our key issues.

To mi filia and everyone else that has had input
on this, again my many thanks.

I have tired of this issue personally and the
continual write, reply and response mechanism
is keeping me from my other NR and non-NR tasks;
so without further ado I sign off this topic.
I may comment on something related to this again,
but if not please accept my statement here and continue
on about the other discussions.

One final thought, I think some other tangential
issues which really lay at the core of many of the
issues discussed of late should still be
addressed -my thoughts on some of these will be
discussed in an upcoming post.

Bene valete in amicita;
Oppius



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Subject:	[novaroma] Rebirth versus Reconstruction
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:52:17 -0700

Salvete Quiritibus;

With all the debate that has occurred recently, I could
not help thinking how relevant these discussions were to
the perpetual issues of reconstruction, what to reconstruct,
how much, antiqua versus modern, etc. We have all always
had differing thoughts on these matters and this has
become yet again strikingly clear in the recent discussions.

I was having an informal chat with a civis whom I admire
a great deal, regarding the issue of 'Rebirth versus
Reconstruction.' As I hadn't personally thought of it
in quite those terms before (my thinking had centered
around varying degrees of reconstruction,) it caused
me to want to think on it a good deal more as to clarify
my own thoughts.

The realization I arrived at is -my 'ideal' tends more
towards a full rebirth of Antiqua. Huge disclaimer: the
following thoughts are mine alone and are not intended
to influence, anger or irritate my fellow cives. Many
will likely disagree with me (as is the way of debate and
discussion here in this forum,) which is completely
fine. For the record, I can but say yet again that
no matter what my personal state of agreement with
anyone is, my concern is for expressed opinions and
debate points -not the individuals themselves.

Back to my point. As mentioned, they crux of so very
many issues here always, *always* comes back to who
favors what level of reconstruction. Recognizing that
none of us as individuals holds the complete answer,
I can but share my opinions.

What are my thoughts? At the base level, quite simply if
I could, I'd quite happily be plunked back in the
height of the empire. Of course, we'd all have our
ideal periods in which to visit, but for me -fire
up the time machine and drop me and the family
off, next stop...Rome. -Not ancient Greece (though
I would certainly visit and bask in the culture
and architecture,) not Byzantium. (oh please!)

So in other words; I cherish
Roma Mater in all the greatest of her glory and
majesty; period. No disclaimers, no exceptions,
no 'but I would like this, but I would not like that.'

This is me, this is my personal vision. Of course,
we have a dramatically different notion going on here
in Nova Roma. -I knew this coming in and I stand by
Nova Roma's stated goals wholeheartedly. Do I expect my 'vision' or wish to be
granted? Of course not. Do
I expect that others will agree to such a strict
construction of empire? Of course not. Do I expect
to maintain a steady state of compromise with those
that favor a much more 'modern' view of Rome?
Absolutely.

Where I'm going is that we're all trying to build a
nation -some of us more 'conservative,' some of us
more 'liberal.' In realizing that my personal vision
may not be achieved, it will not stop me from standing
by Roma Mater, her gods, her wisdom, her virtues and
her very essence. I will always look to create and
maintain as many of Antiqua's traditions as absolutely
possible. -Even if said institutions are largely
in name only, or in a severely altered and watered
down form such as 'client/patron.' (No, I'm not going to
discuss that topic further right now.)

So Quirites, that is where Oppius is coming from. Nothing
up my sleeve, I simply want Roma and as much of her
as possible with all her glorious attributes -"good" and
"bad."

Let's examine the other side of the coin. There is
another group of people that have a vision that is
diametrically opposed to mine. (Again disclaimer, -this
is just a statement of observation and is in *no*
way intended to serve as any statement on my part as to
who is 'right' or 'wrong.' Everyone has a valid
opinion.) This other vision of Roma is something
at its fundamental core -quite different from mine.

At the core of this other vision, is the idea that we have
come a 'long way' as humans, we have evolved to some
higher, conscious state of being, that we know a lot
better than our forefathers did how to live, die and
conduct the business of everyday life. This view 'seems'
to desire to put a heavy face of socialistic ideals
and superimpose onto Roma Mater and come up with
some completely different entity.

(I again invoke my previous disclaimers before moving
on.)

There is of course, a vast 'third' opinion, which is
somewhere in between. Those that like some or maybe
even most of Roma's institutions -but might knock a
couple of items off the list here and there, or add
one or two things. Essentially though, it's still
largely representative of Roma Mater with a bit of
generalized modern touches.

As Nova Roma continues to move forward, forces of
all three schools of thought (as this is my unofficial
classification scheme, please feel free to chime
in with any additional schools of thought that may
exist) will continue to bash into one another. This
is our nature, I've accepted it and as long as a
public forum exists for the sharing of individual
opinion in any manner that the individual deems
fit, dissent of one form another will exist.

I'll further state -dissent is good. Non-personal
argument is healthy, constructive debate especially
on key issues is critical for us. There *also* comes a
time when we need to stop talking and just 'do,'
to paraphrase an excellent statement made recently
in this forum. I couldn't agree more.

For those that disagree with laws and administration,
I might just offer this observation; Leges seem
to be the necessary culmination to many items open
for debate in NR. There comes a time when something physical
needs to be placed in front of someone and at that
time, the individual needs to make some decision based
on that. Then, discussion ends, the voters speak and
we move on to the next thing. Endless discussion, while
being intellectually stimulating to a point, ultimately
results in nothing being accomplished until the
matter comes up for formal vote.

Well, I could go on -but I've gone on now for more
than long enough and don't wish to consume more time
than necessary. Please feel free to comment publicly
or privately on any of the issues raised here and let
me know what you think. Gratias multas if you've made
it this far in the post, you have my sincere gratitude
for giving me your time.

Bene valete in Pace Deorum,
Oppius




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Subject:	[novaroma] Festival Submission
From:	"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@-------->
Date:	Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:19:05 -0700

Salvete,
Below is my submission for the festival.
My "Geni Patris Familiaris" was molded from "Oregon Brown" clay and the close-up is of an arrowhead I found on my fathers property as a boy. I seem to remember reading that Roman boys often sought archeological "tokens". It felt appropriate to include it on my Geni Patris Familiaris. Be kind, I'm a brand new sculptor.

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http://www.geocities.com/procopious/touchstone.jpg

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Subject:	[novaroma] Fwd: Re: Festival Submission
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sun, 15 Apr 2001 03:32:50 -0000

>Salve Omnes:

Seeing as just about everyone else has submitted their Cerealis Festival
pieces to the forum, I have decided to do the same.

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia


>
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>
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>>THE LIFE OF VIDI
>>>
>>>A White late model V-6 charioteer moves more swiftly than usual past the
>>>last fragments of Roman Civilization before entering the Subura ....past
>>>the Plaza de Pallas by Palladius, past Senator Venator's Fast Foods, past
>>>Clodia's Garum Emporium and Deli, and past a few other unmentionable
>>>places best to just drive past.....and quickly at that.
>>>
>>>Ovidia Cornelia, Private Investigator, was tired after a grueling day and
>>>wanted to get home "soonly", and out of the rat race. After reaching her
>>>modest insula, she parked her car and climbed the three flights of stairs
>>>(she hated elevators), opened her door and entered her
>>>flat........Ahh.....being able to just sit, put her feet up and enjoy the
>>>silence!! She lit an Hispanic El Producto and stuck it between her
>>>teeth. Hades, if the famous movie star Demi Moravia could smoke'em, so
>>>could she. Our private eye puffed away and proceeded to blow
>>>well-confugurated O's into the atmosphere.
>>>
>>>a 38-year-old, rather scrawny, short, redheaded freckle-faced Patrician
>>>from a wealthy family, "Vidi" as you would call her,that is if you didn't
>>>want to risk spending time in the emergency room, spent about 15 years
>>>going from career to career after university. A short stint in the
>>>Military, newspaper writing, fine arts......loved the arts but never
>>>really found her niche. Her paintings showed some promise; her work was
>>>proudly displayed on the walls of her Insula and her office, located just
>>>a few blocks away. (Rent was cheap in the Subura..well, cheapER.) Vidi
>>>eventually concluded that the thing she knew how to do best was to stick
>>>her nose in other peoples' business. And she enjoyed it and was damned
>>>good at it! So, she regarded her present position as the perfect career.
>>>A *calling* of sorts.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, not all of her family agreed with her. Several of her
>>>sisters were astonished at Vidi's decision to live in the Subbies,
>>>instead of living a "normal" life, with a "normal" career.....Be "normal"
>>>was their unrelenting advice! Well, Vidi had her own piece of advice for
>>>them, which she would liberally spew upon them when they got on her case
>>>too badly. Her mother, while taking a milder tone of thought with Vidi,
>>>was always quietly encouraging her daughter to "come home", up the hill.
>>>Always blamed herself, Prima Cornelia did, for the untameable Vidi and
>>>her "less than savoury" choices.
>>>
>>>Prima Cornelia had a face that would launch a thousand ships. She was no
>>>seawoman, but she had a fleet of beauty salons to her credit and command.
>>> Asthetics Equitiae Corp. was a hair and facial empire in Rome.
>>>
>>>Her father, Lucius Cornelia Sulla Felix IV was a clever businessman. An
>>>omnipresent enterpreneur. A corporate tarantula, one could say. Had his
>>>fingers in every pie...to the extent that when Vidi would send in her
>>>monthly office rent, while muttering or meditating a litany of curses,
>>>she was, unbeknownst to her, paying her very own dear tata.
>>>
>>>Damn good thing Sulla and Prima had successful careers. Both parents
>>>had to roll up their sleeves and work when they had 32 kids.
>>>How did they end up with 32 kids? Well,now there's a long and
>>>intricately convoluted story, ......we just won't *go there* today, OK?
>>>
>>>Vidi didn't see Sulla often. What mattered is they saw eye to eye.
>>>Lucius Cornelius was the only one who didn't rag-a-much on her about her
>>>choices in life. She was happy, and as far as Sulla was concerned, "If
>>>it ain't broken, don't fix it". And, yeah, Vidi was happy. Maybe she
>>>enjoyed doing this kind of work, and maybe she even enjoyed the Subura,
>>>and seeing how the other half lived.
>>>
>>>The coffee table in Vidi's livingroom was covered with various
>>>publications, messily arranged, as was the protocol of the rest of her
>>>place. Clearly, she was not the epitomy of neatness.
>>>
>>>"Ah, haven't read this yet", she thought, picking up the latest edition
>>>of "Populesque Quirites"..... yunno, the paper for "Inquiring Minds that
>>>Need to Know". Vidi found these papers both ludicrous and hillarious.
>>>Perhaps the irony of pure malarky all dressed up to look like truth? Who
>>>knows. Reading away, she shook her head,and howled at the headlines:
>>>
>>>"TALKING CANINE APPLIES TO LATINITAS"
>>>
>>>"Oh, good!!!" Vidi thought.
>>>
>>>"EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS!! NOVA CONSULA SEEN ON CAPRI BEACH *CONSULTING*
>>>ACCENCUS.........."
>>>
>>>Curiosity conquering, Vidi checks out the photos. "That is NOT our
>>>Consula!!! That'll be a law suit for sure!! Sue their butts,
>>>Iulia.......you don't have to put up with that!!!"
>>>
>>>Doubtless this issue would quickly be taken up at the next Roman Stola
>>>Party Meeting!!. They met monthly. Period.
>>>
>>>The next headline hit real close to home, for Vidi:
>>>
>>>"MOTHER CORNELIA OF THE GRACCHI SIGHTED........'CLEAN UP YOUR ACT!' GREAT
>>>MOTHER ADMONISHES!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Vidi was laughing so hard she started to inhale a few of those O's she
>>>was blowing into the air. After about a minute of profuse hacking and
>>>coughing, she butted the El Producto, abandoned the paper and turned on
>>>the TV. Ahhh, her favourite was on! "JMattius669642". Vidi loved this
>>>show. He was one hardnosed Praetorian for sure. A great cop. Loved the
>>>acting, and the plots were airtight, as she saw'm. WebTV needed new
>>>camera people though.....how could Mattius possibly round a corner in his
>>>cop car at 50-60 miles an hour without even swerving? Well, that wasn't
>>>her problem now, was it? And it wasn't Web TV's problem either, that is
>>>until the ratings started taking a nosedive.
>>>
>>>After an hour or two of tube, it suddenly occurred to the enigmatic
>>>private eye that she had forgotten to check her telephone answering
>>>machine:
>>>
>>>"Hey, Vidi, it's Oppi! I'm flying into Rome next Ides and wondered if we
>>>could do lunch!" Vidi's heart skipped.
>>>
>>>"Oh, Oppi", she thought. "Oppius Flaccus. It's been so long since I
>>>laid eyes on him in person!"
>>>
>>> Oppius was Vidi's school sweetheart, and
>>>whom many had hoped would be Vidi's husband. She briefly wandered down
>>>memory lane, to the time when Oppi was a boy. Two or three times a week
>>>he'd be seen with his father, headed to a small creek near the Flacci
>>>Villa. His father was in law enforcement with the Consul's guard. Oppi
>>>and his tata, carrying their fishing poles, both a wanderin' and a
>>>whistlin'.
>>>
>>>When Oppi and Vidi were teenagers they would meet at Senator Venator's
>>>for hamburgers. They had quite a circle of friends.Ahh, those were Happy
>>>Days. Their praenomens both started with "O", and in some spiritual
>>>circles, this was thought to be a perfect wedding sign. True soulmates.
>>>Unfortunately, the person holding the Gens money purse often ends up
>>>being the family Auger. Enter Aunt Beatrix: for all intents, purposes
>>>and finances the undisputed *head* of the Flacci. She wanted Oppi to
>>>marry Vidi about as badly as she wanted to eat a week old bowl of
>>>polenta.
>>>
>>>Ahh yes, that dreadful exchange between Oppius and Beatrix a few nights
>>>before Oppi's planned engagement to Vidi. Vidi wasn't there, but she of
>>>course heard all about it. She could clearly envision the large,
>>>shrill-voiced, well-jowled women, over enunciating her immortal edictum:
>>>
>>>"Yewwwwwwww will NOT consort with that GodESSSSSSlesssss Tarpeia of Roman
>>>Societyyyyyyyyy........againnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!"
>>>
>>>Aunt Beatrix, it would seem, had completely lost her sense of humour when
>>>it came to the freespirited, sometimes obstinate attitude Vidi had
>>>sported since childhood. Clearly, it could be assumed that the auspices
>>>for marriage were not favourable.
>>>
>>>Ahh Beatrix, Beatrix. Well, the woman was now dead and gone, and in
>>>Vidi's thinking..there was little sense in rehashing the past. The night
>>>Aunt Bea died there was the brightest, fullest moon Vidi had ever seen.
>>>Well, if the shoe fits.... The cause of death, among other ailments:
>>>sheer lunacy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Vidi eventually got over the Oppi thing; she took it hard, but dusted
>>>herself off and moved on. Oppius Flaccus married a "good" girl, Salonina,
>>>a journalist from a well-to-do equestrian family. Actually Vidi had
>>>occasion to correspond with her, while doing newspaper assignments a few
>>>years ago. She seemed very nice, and good for Oppi. And that's what
>>>mattered the most.
>>>
>>>In Roman circles, Oppi needed no introduction. A master at website
>>>communications, he dabbled in that for a while, then landed a couple of
>>>film-making breaks. He graduated to being a multimillionaire motion
>>>picture producer.
>>>
>>>Vidi and Oppi made a pact that they would remain friends. Oppi never
>>>forgot to atleast phone Vidi , although with his work and travel, the
>>>occasion was not often. But to actually do lunch next Ides! "That
>>>just might be worth having my hair done and putting on a stola", Vidi
>>>muttered. She would see. Regardless of her chosen attire, she'd leave
>>>the El Productos at home.
>>>
>>>"Ah, Vidi, hit the hay" she thought to herself. "You've got major stuff
>>>to do tomorrow, girl". Vidi had a "ditty" in court the next morning.
>>>Being a member of the arresting officers' team in a recent drug bust,
>>>she would have to give her report of arrest....ahhh, how she hated that
>>>part of her job. Some judges made the affair easy....some judges would
>>>have a hayday with Ovidia Cornelia. She was hoping she could sleep after
>>>the news of Oppi. Meandering to her bedroom, she donned her sleep duds
>>>and crawled into bed.
>>>
>>>Before cutting the lights she gazed at a picture on her nightstand. The
>>>picture of a redhaired, 40ish woman with spirited countenance. A picture
>>>of her eldest sister Po, now deceased. It was a quasi ritual for Vidi to
>>>say "goodnight" to Po. Although Po never quite understood Vidi in
>>>entirety (who did?) they got on well in life, and Po would never let
>>>anyone pick on Vidi too harshly, family or friends. The doctors told Po
>>>repeatedly that too many late nights, too much travel, too many
>>>reenactment festivals would eventually be the death of her. Sure enough,
>>>one crisp spring morning, they found her at some due in the Media
>>>Atlanticus Provincia, dead as a doornail.........run over by a tour bus.
>>>Well, Po, better days ahead, Vidi reckoned.
>>>
>>>Vidi's eyelids were getting heavy after she entertained the comfort and
>>>warmth of her queensized waterbed. She cut the lights, curled up, and
>>>soon settled into the abyss of deep sleep.
>>>
>>>..............more to come..............
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Gratias
From:	"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:12:30 +0200

Salvete,

Although things looked grim first for the Cerealia festival, at the end we're having a reasonable amount of submissions, and I just wanted to express my gratitude for everyone who participated.

By the way, today is the last day people can submit their works. Calliope and Apollo still have only one competitor, while Euterpe, Terpsichore, Polyhymnia and Melpomene have had zero submissions so far. Join the competition while you still can, Quirites!

Valete,
Sextus Apollonius Draco,
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] NOVA ROMA: Capita XIV et XV
From:	=?iso-8859-1?B?WWFubiBRdely6Q==?= <yquere@-------->
Date:	Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:55:30 +0200

Salve Draco,

I think I missed seceral chapters, being overwhelmed by posts and having to
purge my inbox !!!
Could you please teel me where I can get the whole thing or send me back the
former chapters ?
Thanks in advance

Vale Bene
Lutecio

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To: <novaroma@-------->; Sodalitas Musarum
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Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: [novaroma] NOVA ROMA: Capita XIV et XV


> Salvete Novaromani,
>
> Here are the new chapters of the NR Mars novel - thanks to Formosanus for
> his accurate corrections on both my English and Latin. Comments and
> suggestions welcome, as always.
>
> These chapters are hereby also submitted under the Collegium of Clio in
the
> Cerealia Festival.
>
>
> XIV. Si vis pacem, para bellum
> ------------------------------------
>
> Draco blinked, then lay wide eyed, staring at the black camouflage plastic
> of a tent. He realized he was alive. Someone must have dragged him into
that
> tent.
> "I'm one lucky bastard," he muttered to himself. He tried to rise, but
> immediately felt a sharp pain in his right leg and his lower back. He fell
> flat, and tried again, this time with more success. He could now see
outside
> of the tent. It was night. A few people were talking to each other. He
could
> recognize them: the typical accent of Curio, the gestures that Peregrinus
> made while talking, Ronanus' rabid grin and Oppius' passionate tone, as
> though the good man was always debating. Draco crawled outside of his
tent.
> A few more tents were visible beyond the light cone around which the
others
> sat. Above the tent camp was a safety shield, which allowed the people
> inside to wear regular clothes.
> "Ah, so the terrible dragon has awoken?" Peregrinus chuckled.
> "Permission to laugh, sir," Curio said.
> "Brat," Peregrinus replied, his initial grin disappearing. Draco found an
> empty spot around the light cone.
> "What has happened, sirs?" he asked numbly.
> "The ship crashed, in case you hadn't noticed," Ronanus spoke.
> "I knew that. But afterwards, sir?"
> "Audens is dead, as is Bicurratus and most of the ship's crew," Oppius
> Flaccus gravely said.
> "Sertorius was wounded, like you, and is resting in one of the tents.
> Lutecio has seemingly disappeared. We were just discussing how we were
going
> to return to any base or city nearby."
> "I see," Draco said, with a deep frown. So, the mysterius civilian,
Lutecio,
> had disappeared. The man must have had a link with the Martianalists.
> "I still think he was spying on us for those blasted Martianalists,"
Ronanus
> said, obviously reprising the discussion thread before Draco's arrival.
> "Impossible. He wasn't wired," Peregrinus replied.
> "How do you know that?" Oppius wanted to know. The military tribune's grin
> reappeared.
> "Audens' orders. This was a small, secret mission. As the computer expert
> aboard, it was my task to search every room for anything suspicious. Too
bad
> I found Curio's secret por-"
> "Allright allright," Oppius intervened, "whether Lutecio was a spy or not
> has nothing to do with out problem. We're in a potentially hazardous
> environment, with only one one-man escape pod from the ship with enough
fuel
> to go to a city in the neighbourhood. Even this light cone could betray us
> to the Martianalists."
> "We're behind the ship's wreckage. That should be enough to cover the
light
> emission with," Ronanus calmly said, "but regarding the escape pod; I'm a
> volunteer to go. I had a little pilot training."
> Oppius, the Phobos military, scraped his throat.
> "So had I, if I may remind you."
> "Let's flip coins then," Ronanus offered.
> "Very well," Oppius agreed, definitely disturbed. He pulled out a coin.
> "Tails," he announced, and then flipped it. Heads. Ronanus grabbed his
gear
> and rose to his feet.
> "I'll tell them to come after you guys," he said, "and I'll fly as fast as
> possible, if those crazy apes out here don't shoot me down."
> "Mars te protegat," the others collectively said. He nodded and
disappeared
> through the double airlocks.
>
> "Terrible news about Aundens and Bicurratus," Draco mumbled.
> "We've offered our prayers to the Gods. May they be dwelling the Elysian
> fields now," Oppius said. A loud cough was suddenly heard from another
tent,
> followed by a mild curse in Latin.
> "I think Sertorius is awake, sir," Curio announced.