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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A Boy Named Sue
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:19:51 EDT

Salve Marce Octavi

I didn't mean for this to go unanswered - I have been away a lot (and the
mailbox is overflowing again).

On 4/10/01 9:37 AM Marcus Octavius Germanicus (hucke@--------) wrote:

>Salve Luci Sergi,
>
>> Citizens should ask themselves why certain people in power have put the
>> Republic through so much turmoil and distortion simply to prevent one
>> single citizen from referring to himself by the Roman name he feels best
>> suits who he is.
>
>Let us also ask ourselves why certain people who wish they were
>in power have put the Republic through so much turmoil, endlessly
>bringing back the same tired old arguments and demands, making a major
>issue out of something that most of us simply don't care about.
>
>There are *two* groups who can be blamed for the "turmoil".
I'm not certain to whom you are referring here. The Name-Change Edict was
brought back up by the Consul F. Vedius, and he *is* in power. I thought
it was brought up for debate and an early vote in the Comitia Centuriata
as is only proper. Then, whatever the outcome, those of us who are
law-abiding Romans will live with it, and those who are not law-abiding
Romans will perhaps give it up, or go elsewhere, or be ruled out of order
and sanctioned by the authorities.
>
>> Governmental corruption and misconduct is like a fungal disease:
>
>Where is the corruption and misconduct here? Looks more like a
>legitimate difference of opinion.
Perhaps it is. My opinion is that this originated to squelch the
legitimate request of one specific citizen, and does not actually
legitimately address the situation of either that citizen nor of any
other citizen nor of the Republic. If that is, indeed, what this
represents, then I think you must agree that such a misuse of law-making
authority would represent an impropriety and a corruption of the law.

But let all of us who feel one way or the other about it vote on it and
be done with it!

Salve,

L. Sergius Australicus Obst.
>
>Vale, Octavius.
>
>
>--
>M. Octavius Germanicus
>Propraetor, Lacus Magni
>Curator Araneum et Senator
>

certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latinized form of Massachusetts??
From:	margali <margali@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:59:38 -0400

Well, I don't know how appropriate it is to romanize an indian
word. When does it move from honoring something to being
ridiculous? I don't think Massachusettensium is particularly
pleasant sounding. How about the latin form of whatever
Massachusetts is supposed to mean?

-Margali
Hyapatia Asinia
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Quote Starts Here:
I've been trying to track down a latinization of "Massachusetts"
with little
luck.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Politics - what else
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:40:20 +0200 (CEST)

Salve, Serene.

Thank you for your kind words. I needed them. It is sometimes
discouraging to write such a long essay and see it pass without hardly
any comment amongst various rattlings about a certain edictum.

I needed some encouragement to feed my ego :-).

Gnaeus Salix Astur, protocivis romanus.

--- Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@--------> escribió: >
Greetings Gnaeus,
>
> Your arguments were well stated, erudite and consisent
> with the weight of understanding about Roma. I'll
> look forward to your further words...
>
>
> Iasonvs Serenvs
>
>
>
>
> --- Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> > Salvete, romani quirites; et salve, Fabie Maxime.
> >
> > --- QFabiusMax@-------- escribió: > In a message
> > dated
> > 4/10/2001 2:07:27 PM Pacific
> > > Daylight Time,
> > > salixastur@-------- writes:
> > >
> > > << I would suggest to concentrate on the tribunate
> > > of the
> > > Gracchi brothers (133-123 BCE), where the
> > strongest
> > > reformist movement of the Republic was defeated.
> > > Basically, the arguments behind the dispute were
> > > the
> > > ones you have just mentioned. And the reform was
> > > defeated not by strength, ideas or oratory. It
> > was
> > > a
> > > short-sightedness installed in the Roman people
> > > what
> > > defeated the reform.
> > > >>
> > > Salvete
> > > Good point. However the reform threatened the
> > > landed aristocracy, and that
> > > is why the reaction was so extreme. Anytime you
> > > screw with a man's livelihood
> > > you get a reaction. Besides if we believe
> > > Ploutarkhos, the Gracchi were
> > > utilizing a populist movement to gain power, since
> > > they had been denied it
> > > through other means. They are portrayed as
> > corrupt
> > > as any other Roman
> > > magistrate of the period.
> > >
> >
> > Probably you're right. I was not expressing my
> > opinion
> > on the Gracchi brothers (besides, a very prestigious
> > Italian historian, Indro Montanelli, would not agree
> > with Plutarcus). I was expressing my opinion on some
> > of the reforms they wanted to install. When they
> > reached the Tribunate, they tried to pass three main
> > issues:
> >
> > 1.- The famous landbill you refer to (a law that
> > limited the area of land a single citizen could
> > own).
> > This alienated the patrician class from which the
> > Gracchi came from.
> >
> > 2.- A law for the expansion of the Senate. They
> > wanted
> > to include in the Senate new "elected" senators,
> > which
> > would have been elected by the Comitia Tributa and
> > would have stayed just one year in charge. This
> > attempt to "democratize" the Senate earned them the
> > hate of both the Senatorial and Equestre class, who
> > held the Senate as their turf.
> >
> > 3.- A law which awarded citizenship to all the
> > inhabitants of Latium. This granted them the
> > indifference of the common Roman citizen, eager to
> > keep their privileges as Roman citizens to
> > themselves.
> >
> > Most historians agree (a posteriori) that these laws
> > would have meant a continuation of the "democratic"
> > struggle in Rome; they led the direction towards the
> > creation of a "modern" state. Alas, after the murder
> > of the Gracchi, it was social turmoil and civil war
> > that ensued, ending in the solidification of the
> > statu
> > quo that the Principate meant (and, as chaos theory
> > teaches us today, the intention to mantain the statu
> > quo in a complex system leads to the destruction of
> > that system, both by inner and outer forces).
> >
> > > The only thing that would invoke a huge Senate
> > > response equal to that against
> > > the Gracchi, IMO, would be an attack against the
> > > Religio which we have sworn
> > > to protect.
> > >
> >
> > And I would stand with the Senate in that struggle,
> > for I believe that the Religio Romana is not only
> > basic to the idea of Rome herself, but it also is a
> > faith worth both protection and respect.
> >
> >
> > =====
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> > Gnaeus Salix Astur.
> > Protocivis romanus.
> >
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latinized form of Massachusetts??
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gnaeus=20Salix=20Astur?= <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:46:31 +0200 (CEST)

Salve, Minuci Hadriane.

--- "C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@--------> escribió: >
Salvete!
>
> I've been trying to track down a latinization of "Massachusetts" with
> little
> luck. I just ran across something today that I think may be it, but
> I'd like
> to run it by the experts! ^_^ I was looking at my grandfathers
> dipolma from
> Harvard, which is in Latin, and I noticed at the top the following
> sentence:
>
> " In Republica Massachusettensium omnibus ad quos hae litterae
> pervenerint
> salutem."
>
> So would Massachusettensium be the proper latinized form?? If anyone
> knows,
> I'd really appreciate it!
>
> Multas Gratias!
>
> Valete!
>
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus
> Legatus of Massachusetts
> Pilus Prior Secunda Cohors
> Legio VI Victrix

I'm sorry, Minicius, but I think "Republica Massachusettensium" means
"the Republic of the People of Massachussetts".
"Massachussettensium" is the genitive plural of "Massachussettensis",
an inhabitant of Massachussetts.

According to Latin rules, the name of the place would be
"Massachussettis", or perhaps "Massachussets".

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] The Cursus Honorum Essay
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:08:42 -0400

Salvete

Mighty short essay... ;-)

I'd love to see the real thing, though. Please give it another shot!

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Publius Gramatinicus Albinus [mailto:syphax_venaliccii@--------]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:40 PM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] The Cursus Honorum Essay
>
>
> Salvete!
>
> Here is the Cursus Honorum essay I wrote. I figured I
> would just send it to everyone, instead of one person
> at a time. Tell me what you think, and please be
> honest.
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Latinized form of Massachusetts??
From:	lsicinius@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:17:42 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, margali <margali@9...> wrote:
> Well, I don't know how appropriate it is to romanize an indian
> word. When does it move from honoring something to being
> ridiculous? I don't think Massachusettensium is particularly
> pleasant sounding. How about the latin form of whatever
> Massachusetts is supposed to mean?
>
> -Margali
> Hyapatia Asinia
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The Quote Starts Here:
> I've been trying to track down a latinization of "Massachusetts"
> with little
> luck.

Salvete,

Massachusetts -From Indian tribe named after "large hill place"
identified by Capt. John Smith as being near Milton, Mass.

For the Origins of other US State names see
http://nativenet.uthscsa.edu/archive/nl/9408/0139.html

Valte
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Results of Voting in the Comitia Plebis Tributa
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:17:19 -0400

Salvete

Congratulations, Quintus Sertorius. I am sure you'll make a splendid
Tribune!

Next year in the Forum!

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fortunatus [mailto:labienus@--------]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:01 PM
> To: novaromaannounce@--------;
> comitiaplebistributa@--------
> Cc: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Results of Voting in the Comitia Plebis Tributa
>
>
> Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Fortunatus Quiritibus SPD
>
> Voting has ended in the Concilium Plebis, and the results have been
> tallied. Seventy-two cives voted, in thirty-one of a possible
> thirty-five tribes.
>
> In the race for tribunus plebis, Quintus Sertorius carried fourteen
> tribes and Lucius Pompeius Octavianus carried twelve. Therefore, Q
> Sertorius is duly elected. Congratulations, Quinte Sertori. I look
> forward to working with you. Thank you, Luci Pompei, for making the
> attempt. May you have better luck next time.
>
> All thirty-one tribes supported Lex Labiena de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis
> Tributorum. It is therefore duly enacted as law, and I ask Curator
> Octavius to place it with the other leges in the online Tabularium.
>
> And finally, multas gratias to the seventy-two plebeians who voted. The
> Respublica requires participation if it is to work.
>
> Valete
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Results of Voting in the Comitia Plebis Tributa
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:12:36 -0500

Thank you very much Consul, it means much coming from you sir.

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Results of Voting in the Comitia Plebis Tributa

> Salvete
>
> Congratulations, Quintus Sertorius. I am sure you'll make a splendid
> Tribune!
>
> Next year in the Forum!
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> ICQ: 106199729
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fortunatus [mailto:labienus@--------]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:01 PM
> > To: novaromaannounce@--------;
> > comitiaplebistributa@--------
> > Cc: novaroma@--------
> > Subject: [novaroma] Results of Voting in the Comitia Plebis Tributa
> >
> >
> > Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Fortunatus Quiritibus SPD
> >
> > Voting has ended in the Concilium Plebis, and the results have been
> > tallied. Seventy-two cives voted, in thirty-one of a possible
> > thirty-five tribes.
> >
> > In the race for tribunus plebis, Quintus Sertorius carried fourteen
> > tribes and Lucius Pompeius Octavianus carried twelve. Therefore, Q
> > Sertorius is duly elected. Congratulations, Quinte Sertori. I look
> > forward to working with you. Thank you, Luci Pompei, for making the
> > attempt. May you have better luck next time.
> >
> > All thirty-one tribes supported Lex Labiena de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis
> > Tributorum. It is therefore duly enacted as law, and I ask Curator
> > Octavius to place it with the other leges in the online Tabularium.
> >
> > And finally, multas gratias to the seventy-two plebeians who voted. The
> > Respublica requires participation if it is to work.
> >
> > Valete
> >
> >
> >
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Latinized form of Massachusetts??
From:	"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:00:26 -0400

Salve Salix Astur,

Thanks! I suppose I should have looked at it a bit more closely before
posting! Sadly, my Latin is limited to vague and shadowy remembrances from
High School (11 years ago...), but it's coming back, slowly & painfully ~_^
The reason I was curious, is that Nova Britannia seems to be the only
Provincia without Latin (or Latinized) Regio names. In retrospect it seems
like a pretty silly thing to worry about =) As Hyapatia Asinia pointed out
in her reply - Native American names don't particularly lend them selves to
Latinization... (Connecticutus?) In any case, thanks for indulging me!

Vale!

C. Minucius Hadrianus

----Original Message-----
From: Gnaeus Salix Astur [mailto:salixastur@--------]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:47 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Latinized form of Massachusetts??

Salve, Minuci Hadriane.

--- "C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@--------> escribió: >
Salvete!
>
> I've been trying to track down a latinization of "Massachusetts" with
> little
> luck. I just ran across something today that I think may be it, but
> I'd like
> to run it by the experts! ^_^ I was looking at my grandfathers
> dipolma from
> Harvard, which is in Latin, and I noticed at the top the following
> sentence:
>
> " In Republica Massachusettensium omnibus ad quos hae litterae
> pervenerint
> salutem."
>
> So would Massachusettensium be the proper latinized form?? If anyone
> knows,
> I'd really appreciate it!
>
> Multas Gratias!
>
> Valete!
>
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus
> Legatus of Massachusetts
> Pilus Prior Secunda Cohors
> Legio VI Victrix

I'm sorry, Minicius, but I think "Republica Massachusettensium" means
"the Republic of the People of Massachussetts".
"Massachussettensium" is the genitive plural of "Massachussettensis",
an inhabitant of Massachussetts.

According to Latin rules, the name of the place would be
"Massachussettis", or perhaps "Massachussets".

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Subject:	[novaroma] Congratulations Quinte!!!
From:	octavianuslucius@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:09:15 -0000

Salve optime amice Quinte
Congratulations for your success my good opponent and friend Quinte!
Habe fortunam bonam!!!
Sincerely
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus

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Subject:	[novaroma] America Austrorientalis Provincia
From:	lsicinius@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:11:16 -0000

Salvete,

Since my Provincia currently lacks a Propraetor, I've taken the
liberty of starting a Egroups mail list for America Austrorientalis
Provincia.

When a sutable canidate is found, I'll turn this group over to the new
Propraetor, and they will at least be able to start out with this
resource in place.

America Austrorientalis currently has 60 citizens but the group only
has 5 members. If you reside in America Austrorientalis Provincia
please consider signing up for this group. If you are a Pater/Mater
Familis with Gens members who reside in the Austrorientalis Provincia,
then pass this request on the members of your Gens who live here.

With your help we can make America Austrorientalis a great province to
live in.

Valete
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma Coins ARE IN!
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:17:29 EDT

Salvete Omnes,

It is my great pleasure to announce that the Nova Roma coins have arrived,
and that they are *wonderful*! They are struck in bronze and are the size of
a US half dollar. An image of a scanned coin may be seen at:

<A HREF="http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica/coin.jpg">http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica/coin.jpg </A>

The new coins are Sestertius coins, (actually Sestertius Signum, or "token
sestertius" for legal purposes) and will be usable trade tokens for Nova
Roma. They will be available for 50 cents US, and will be guaranteed for that
amount to make them a workable means of exchange at events, etc!

The Sestertius coins are a huge step forward for Nova Roma. Not only are they
a great promotion and sign of our commitment, they are also a unique effort
among Micronations as far as I am aware. Other sovereignty projects have
minted coinage as "commemoratives" only, knowing fully well that there would
be no means to use them in trade. Nova Roma, with it's commitment to building
local Provinciae around the world, will be able to use it's coinage. No
"admission tickets" or "food tickets" at events for us! :)

Roman Days in Maryland this coming June will be the first "economic" test for
the NR coins. The coins will be available for sale at the Nova Roma tent.
Nova Roma will also of course be accepting the coins at their "standard
value" in trade for items, as will be a few, if not all of the other vendors
at the event. It shouldn't take long before it becomes a working system in
all the Provincia, giving a real feeling of Roman authenticity at public
events.

The Sestertii coins will be available on the NR website this next week. All
that's lacking at this point is the cost of shipping various quantities of
coins. My guess is that they'll be sold in quantities of four and up.
Sestertii coins will also be available for "in person" sales through all
Provincia, to help avoid international postage problems, but that will of
course take a few weeks to arrange. More details will be coming soon!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Latinized form of Massachusetts??
From:	lsicinius@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:20:20 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@s...> wrote:
>
> Salve Salix Astur,
>
> Thanks! I suppose I should have looked at it a bit more closely before
> posting! Sadly, my Latin is limited to vague and shadowy
remembrances from
> High School (11 years ago...), but it's coming back, slowly &
painfully ~_^
> The reason I was curious, is that Nova Britannia seems to be the only
> Provincia without Latin (or Latinized) Regio names. In retrospect it
seems
> like a pretty silly thing to worry about =) As Hyapatia Asinia
pointed out
> in her reply - Native American names don't particularly lend them
selves to
> Latinization... (Connecticutus?) In any case, thanks for indulging me!
>
> Vale!
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus
>
>

Vale,

Latinization may not work, but translation of the meaning of the
native American word can work. Since Massachusetts means "large hill
place" I think that Mons Magna (Great Hill) might be a suitable
translation, though my Latin is very bad.

I have posted a request on the Latinitas list for help in translating
all the US State names. I think this would be a valuable resourse for
citizens residing in the US Provinciae and for Propraetors who wish to
set up Regios in these Provinciae.

Salve,
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Congratulations Quinte!!!
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:11:51 -0500

Thank you very much Lucius my friend, and I look forward to working with you
in the future. Do not forget it was a very close contest, and it ids an
honor to have such an effective opponent!

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: <octavianuslucius@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:09 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Congratulations Quinte!!!

> Salve optime amice Quinte
> Congratulations for your success my good opponent and friend Quinte!
> Habe fortunam bonam!!!
> Sincerely
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma Coins ARE IN!
From:	Piparskeggr Ullarsson <catamount_grange@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:47:41 -0500

Ave Cassius,

cassius622@-------- wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> It is my great pleasure to announce that the Nova Roma coins have arrived,(excision)
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Consul
>

I'll want 50 of them. When you have the shipping figured out let me know and I'll cut the Republic
a check.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma Coins are IN!!
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:58:05 -0000

Salvete Consul Cassius et Populus!!

This is exciting news, and I truly love the presentation of the coins! I am
working on going to Roman Days, but alas, I still do not know for sure if I
will be attending, to purchase these coins in person.

I am encouraged that they will soon be available for mail order purchase. I
would like to purchase some to distribute at a provincial gathering planned
for this August....and of course, a few for keepsakes!

Bene valete
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix pro temp
Canada Orientalis

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Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma Coins are IN!!
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:58:11 -0000


Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma Coins are IN!!
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:58:16 -0000


Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma Coins are IN!!
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:59:10 -0000


Subject:	[novaroma] Problems for a new citizen
From:	Erich Reto Iseli <erich.iseli@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:44:34 +0200

SALVETE OMNES,

Nomen meus Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus est.

Today, I had the privilege to be accepted as a citizen of Nova Roma.
However, I still feel like a barbarus. There are some details I don't
understand.

- Why is there no provincia Helvetia?
- I wrote a description about my nomen gentis, however this doesn't
appear in the album gentium. why? can this still be added now?
- same for the gods
- how can I change my personal information
- why did it take so long from the day of my registration until
today? (2-3 weeks)

Gratias ago those who can enlighten my spiritus rudis...

G NOVIODVNVS FERRICVLVS S.D.

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Subject:	[novaroma] I AM Excited.......
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:07:58 -0000

......about the new coins, but not THAT excited!!

Sorry about the multiple posts.

Some cyber gremlin is having fun with me tonight!! :)

Vale,
Po

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Problems for a new citizen
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:27:55 -0400

Salvete

First of all, welcome! First of all, please feel free to check out
http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica/whatnow for a couple of web pages
that might make the task of getting to know Nova Roma a little easier...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erich Reto Iseli [mailto:erich.iseli@--------]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:45 PM
>
> - Why is there no provincia Helvetia?

Short answer-- because there hasn't been a need to have one yet. If there
are enough citizens in a given place, and (usually quite helpful) someone
interested in organizing the province and serving as governor, the Senate
will create the province.

> - I wrote a description about my nomen gentis, however this doesn't
> appear in the album gentium. why? can this still be added now?

There really isn't any provision for the Album Gentium to include such
miscellaneous notes. If you wish, though, you could create a gens web site,
which could absolutely be linked from the album gentium (just email the
censors at censors@-------- if you get such a page set up).

> - same for the gods

Email censors@-------- They can update your entry in the album gentium
to include the patron deities of your gens. If you want to include more
information, your best bet is as I mentioned before; set up a gens web site
and include the information there.

> - how can I change my personal information

Just send an email to the censors (censors@--------).

> - why did it take so long from the day of my registration until
> today? (2-3 weeks)

The Censors are prevented from processing citizenship applications while
elections are in progress. First the Comitia Populi was having a vote, and
then the Comitia Plebis started one, so all applications were on hold for a
while. In general, though, if an application is delayed, it's because the
Censors are waiting to get permission from the paterfamilias for the new
citizen to join an already-existing gens.

Hope that helps; if you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask!

Next year in the Forum!

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

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Subject:	[novaroma] Maximo gaudio te accipio M. Furi Piger Curente Sp./Eng.
From:	octavianuslucius@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:31:12 -0000

Spanish /Español
Propraetor provincialis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Marco Furio Piger
Cruento S.P.D.

Como propraetor provincial Argentina quiero darte la más calida
bienvenida a Nova Roma y a nuestra provincia Argentina Marce Furi
Piger Cruente. Seguramente serás un ciudadano muy activo y aportarás
mucho tanto a Nova Roma como a su provincia Argentina.

Habe fortunam bonam

English / Inglés

Propraetor provincialis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Marco Furio Piger
Cruento S.P.D.
As propraetor of provincia Argentina I wish to give you the most warm
welcome to Nova Roma and the provincia Argentina Marce Furi Piger
Cruente. I am sure you will be a very active citizen and will
contribute a lot to both Nova Roma and its province Argentina.

Habe fortunam bonam

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Problems for a new citizen
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:34:21 -0700

Ave,

My comments below:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erich Reto Iseli" <erich.iseli@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:44 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Problems for a new citizen

> SALVETE OMNES,
>
> Nomen meus Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus est.
>
> Today, I had the privilege to be accepted as a citizen of Nova Roma.
> However, I still feel like a barbarus. There are some details I don't
> understand.
>
> - Why is there no provincia Helvetia?

Where would Helvetia be....if you go to the Nova Roma Provinca page...you
can see if the area you reside in is already incorporated into a province.

> - I wrote a description about my nomen gentis, however this doesn't
> appear in the album gentium. why? can this still be added now?

Descriptions do not appear. However you should have an entry on the Album
Gentium regarding your Gens, how many members and the Patron Dieties.

> - same for the gods

If you entered the Gods on your application, and if you are the
Paterfamilias they will be listed. If you are not the Paterfamilias, then
they will not be listed.

> - how can I change my personal information

You contact the Censors @ censors@--------

> - why did it take so long from the day of my registration until
> today? (2-3 weeks)

Because that is the standard time frame. Especially if you are joining an
existing Gentes....we cannot approve applications til we get their
approval....and also there were elections going on....we cannot approve
applications while elections are in progress. Which is why my colleague
today approved over 20 citizenship applications.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

> Gratias ago those who can enlighten my spiritus rudis...
>
> G NOVIODVNVS FERRICVLVS S.D.
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: A Boy Named Sue
From:	lsicinius@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:34:33 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@-------->
wrote:
> Salve Sicinius (et al)
>
> I just happen to live in NH, and my mother just
> happens to write grants for (charitable) non-profit
> corporations. If you will phrase a specific question
> regarding the NH RSAs as concerns nonprofit corps, I
> will ask my mother (how juvenile that sounds) as she
> is a professional in these matters. She also sits on
> the boards of several corporations in these parts, and
> knows just about everyone in the state...As for those
> of you getting ideas about grants and fundraising, mi
> madre is a devout catholic who is convinced her eldest
> is destined to an eternity of damnation, and would
> therefor not likely help raise capital for a "damned
> pagan" organization....
>
>
> Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs Peregrinus

Salve Iasonvs Serenvs,

First I thank you for your offer.

I have several Questions.

1. What are the requirements for financial reports from the board
(Senate) to the members (citizens)? Quarterly, Anually?

2. Do the members have the right to challenge a report and request an
outside audit? If so under what conditions?

3. If funds spent for personal gain, are there any criminal penalities
or is it limited to a civil matter?

Also I wish to make it plain, I'm NOT asking these questions because I
have any reason to suspect that any offical of Nova Roma is disnonest.
I am asking because some citizens are uneasy about taxiation because
of problems they have observed in thier Macro Nation, and I'm hoping
that the answers to these questions will set thier minds at ease and
make it easier for Nova Roma to implement the tax system she needs.

Vale
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Coins ARE IN!
From:	octavianuslucius@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:37:55 -0000

L. Pompeius Octavianus Consuli Cassio Juliano S.P.D.
The coins are extremely beautiful!!!!!!!!!!
Vaqle bene

-- In novaroma@--------, cassius622@a... wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> It is my great pleasure to announce that the Nova Roma coins have
arrived,
> and that they are *wonderful*! They are struck in bronze and are
the size of
> a US half dollar. An image of a scanned coin may be seen at:
>
> <A
HREF="http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica/coin.jpg">http://www.g
oldenfuture.net/mediatlantica/coin.jpg </A>
>
> The new coins are Sestertius coins, (actually Sestertius Signum,
or "token
> sestertius" for legal purposes) and will be usable trade tokens for
Nova
> Roma. They will be available for 50 cents US, and will be
guaranteed for that
> amount to make them a workable means of exchange at events, etc!
>
> The Sestertius coins are a huge step forward for Nova Roma. Not
only are they
> a great promotion and sign of our commitment, they are also a
unique effort
> among Micronations as far as I am aware. Other sovereignty projects
have
> minted coinage as "commemoratives" only, knowing fully well that
there would
> be no means to use them in trade. Nova Roma, with it's commitment
to building
> local Provinciae around the world, will be able to use it's
coinage. No
> "admission tickets" or "food tickets" at events for us! :)
>
> Roman Days in Maryland this coming June will be the
first "economic" test for
> the NR coins. The coins will be available for sale at the Nova Roma
tent.
> Nova Roma will also of course be accepting the coins at
their "standard
> value" in trade for items, as will be a few, if not all of the
other vendors
> at the event. It shouldn't take long before it becomes a working
system in
> all the Provincia, giving a real feeling of Roman authenticity at
public
> events.
>
> The Sestertii coins will be available on the NR website this next
week. All
> that's lacking at this point is the cost of shipping various
quantities of
> coins. My guess is that they'll be sold in quantities of four and
up.
> Sestertii coins will also be available for "in person" sales
through all
> Provincia, to help avoid international postage problems, but that
will of
> course take a few weeks to arrange. More details will be coming
soon!
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Consul
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Coins ARE IN!
From:	Piparskeggr Ullarsson <catamount_grange@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:48:55 -0500

Ave Octavianus et alia,

octavianuslucius@-------- wrote:
>
> L. Pompeius Octavianus Consuli Cassio Juliano S.P.D.
> The coins are extremely beautiful!!!!!!!!!!
> Vaqle bene
>

Yes they are, and I placed my order before following the link. I'm glad I'll be getting a work of
beauty in exchange for monies I committed.

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===========================================
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- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Coins ARE IN!
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:00:15 -0400

Salvete

(For the record, I have a quantity of coins that I can distribute here in
Mediatlantica Provincia at our meetings at the regular exchange rate of
$0.50 per sesterce. More incentive to come to movie night!)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: octavianuslucius@-------- [mailto:octavianuslucius@--------]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:38 PM
>
> L. Pompeius Octavianus Consuli Cassio Juliano S.P.D.
> The coins are extremely beautiful!!!!!!!!!!

I can tell you from personal experience, as one who has kept two sesterces
in my pocket for more than a week, that they are more than beautiful.

The first thing you'll do is keep it in your pocket, and take it out every
hour or so-- not even realizing how often you do it-- and just sort of drink
it in; gaze at it in wonder, realizing that it IS real, and just stand in
awe of the tangibility of it.

Owning such a coin is something of a spiritual experience in and of itself.
Knowing that it is there, and real, and you can take it out of your pocket
and gaze upon it is just an unbelievable feeling. Our whole venture is
tangible in a way it never was before.

Nova Roma is real. Don't believe it? Just look in your pocket.

Next year in the Forum!

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Coins ARE IN!
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:05:34 -0700

Ave,

More incentive to come??? Are you going to start charging for
admission...or condiments....Consul? <smirk>

Jokingly,

Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Coins ARE IN!

> Salvete
>
> (For the record, I have a quantity of coins that I can distribute here in
> Mediatlantica Provincia at our meetings at the regular exchange rate of
> $0.50 per sesterce. More incentive to come to movie night!)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: octavianuslucius@-------- [mailto:octavianuslucius@--------]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:38 PM
> >
> > L. Pompeius Octavianus Consuli Cassio Juliano S.P.D.
> > The coins are extremely beautiful!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I can tell you from personal experience, as one who has kept two sesterces
> in my pocket for more than a week, that they are more than beautiful.
>
> The first thing you'll do is keep it in your pocket, and take it out every
> hour or so-- not even realizing how often you do it-- and just sort of
drink
> it in; gaze at it in wonder, realizing that it IS real, and just stand in
> awe of the tangibility of it.
>
> Owning such a coin is something of a spiritual experience in and of
itself.
> Knowing that it is there, and real, and you can take it out of your pocket
> and gaze upon it is just an unbelievable feeling. Our whole venture is
> tangible in a way it never was before.
>
> Nova Roma is real. Don't believe it? Just look in your pocket.
>
> Next year in the Forum!
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> ICQ: 106199729
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Bye for now
From:	gcassiusnerva@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:07:10 EDT

I'm leaving for Germany and will see you all in May.

Gaius Cassius Nerva

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Bye for now
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:08:26 -0700

Vale Nerva...see ya soon..and have an excellent time in Germania!

Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: <gcassiusnerva@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:07 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Bye for now

> I'm leaving for Germany and will see you all in May.
>
> Gaius Cassius Nerva
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Nova Roma Coins ARE IN!
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:09:04 -0700

Salve Consul Cassi;

The coins are *truly* magnificent! A
true beauty to behold. I can't wait until
I have a bunch of them!

Bene vale,
Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: cassius622@-------- [mailto:cassius622@--------]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:17 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Nova Roma Coins ARE IN!

Salvete Omnes,

It is my great pleasure to announce that the Nova Roma coins have arrived,
and that they are *wonderful*! They are struck in bronze and are the size of
a US half dollar. An image of a scanned coin may be seen at:

<A
HREF="http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica/coin.jpg">http://www.goldenfutur
e.net/mediatlantica/coin.jpg </A>

<snipped>

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Bye for now
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:10:48 -0700

Salve Nerva!

Have a great time in Germania. Hope you'll share
your experiences when you get back. May the Gods
provide safe passage and bountiful fun.

Bene vale,
Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: gcassiusnerva@-------- [mailto:gcassiusnerva@--------]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:07 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Bye for now

I'm leaving for Germany and will see you all in May.

Gaius Cassius Nerva

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Coins ARE IN!
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:15:25 -0400

Salvete

> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:06 AM
>
> More incentive to come??? Are you going to start charging for
> admission...or condiments....Consul? <smirk>

Only if people pay in sestercii... ;-)

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

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Subject:	[novaroma] An Alternative to the Name-change Edict
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:46:35 +0200

M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Quiritibus S.P.D.

On 9 Apr 2001 01:16:56 -0000, novaroma@-------- wrote:
>Subject: An Alternative to the Name-change Edict
>
>Ex papilio Luci Mari Peregrini omnes Quirites s.p.d.
>
>Salvete omnes...
>
>Well, there you have it: the text of the Edictum de Nominibus
>Mutandis, the 'Name-change Edict', as posted by our senior Consul
>last week. It is difficult to appreciate, to look at the present
>edict, that it was the interim solution for *the* biggest
>controversy in Nova Roma last year. And to think that it all
>started out with a simple Censor's
>ruling that the grammatical gender of all Citizens' Roman names
>should correspond to their biological sex...
>
>(If that sounds as invasive to any of you as it does to me, you may
>begin to grasp just how strong the feelings were that were raised by
>the original 'Gender Edict'.)
>
>The present edict was a great improvement on its predecessor. I
>myself was very much in favor of the Edictum de Nominibus Mutandis
>when it first appeared. I called it a fine Edict that deserved to
>be made into a fine Lex. The Roman-name sections with which it
>begins are still the best guidance we've got going for how to
>properly construct an authentic Roman name; and, with one great
>exception to be noted and discussed, the means specified for
>changing or correcting one's Roman name are not a particular burden
>to anyone involved.
>
>But should a Citizen, for whatever reason, wish to change the
>grammatical gender of his or her listed Roman name, that seems to be
>the one direction the present edict won't flex. It does contain
>'transgender provisions', yes; but these are unduly complicated and
>have thus far been applied in all the most cumbersome ways possible.
>
>First of all, why would a Citizen want to change the gender of his
>Roman name? I can think of three reasons:
>-- the gender of the Citizen's name was originally entered in error
> (as Nomenclator I saw a lot of this, male applicants choosing names
> with feminine components and vice versa);
>-- the Citizen is no longer living as the gender specified by his or
> her Roman name (as, for example, transgendered individuals);
>-- the Citizen has had his or her sex physically changed (as for
> transsexuals) or never had a clearly-defined physical sex to begin
> with (as in the case of hermaphrodites).
>
>None of these reasons justify the kind of jumping-through-hoops and
>sharing of sensitive info demanded by those sections of the Edict.
>In the first case we are talking about a simple administrative
>error, a correction of records. In the last two cases, we are
>speaking of matters of personal identity or sensitive medical nature
>that need as little outside interference as possible, such decisions
>being difficult enough for the people who have made them.
>
>What a Citizen chooses to be called should be between himself, his
>Paterfamilias, and his gods if he has any. None of it, except for
>the record-keeping, should be the purview of the Censores' Office.
>
>So, just for grins, a few months ago I came up with an alternate
>drafting for the transgender provisions that would not be so heavy
>on the paperwork, and would put the thing even more squarely in the
>hands of the Paterfamilias. All article, section and clause
>numberings are as in the original; anything not specifically changed
>remains the same...and of course any feedback is welcome!
>
>
><---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
>From: Marius the Wanderer <peregrinus@-------->
>Subject: Re: Alternative to Edictum d.M.N.
>Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:18:41 -0600 (CST)
>
>Our revisions below; my suggestions in [brackets].
>
>XIX.
>iv) The [grammatical] gender of the name is to be consistent. Each
>part is to agree with all others in [grammatical] gender.
>
>I know it is stated at the beginning of the Edictum that the term
>"gender" shall refer to linguistic gender only; but that was, what,
>sixteen articles ago?, and I think the authors got a little confused
>on
>that point themselves by the time they wrote the 'offending
>articles' in question.
>
>The basic problem is that, while the Edictum sets forth specific
>terms for (a) physical sex and (b) grammatical gender, there is no
>corresponding term for *social* gender (id est, the gender role a
>Citizen fulfills in daily life) even though there is a fairly
>lengthy article treating of same. I would suggest modifying Article
>IV to read:
>
>[IV. Also note that this document uses the term 'sex' to describe
>the physical sex of a person, the term 'social gender' to refer to
>the gender role a person fulfills in daily life, and the term
>'grammatical gender' to refer to linguistic gender only.]
>
>Okay, now the big one...
>
>[XX.
>A Citizen who wishes to change the sex he or she previously
>registered or the gender of the name initially registered shall
>inform his or her Mater-/Paterfamilias. The citizen and the
>Paterfamilias shall be required to appear jointly before the
>Censores, and to swear or affirm before the Censores that the change
>is being made to
> (a) correct an original inaccuracy,
> (b) accommodate a change of the Citizen's physical sex (as for
>example by surgical means), or
> (c) conform to a change in the social gender lived out by the
>Citizen in everyday life in his or her place of physical residence.]
>
>["Everyday life" shall here be construed as real personal contacts
>with employers, intimates and the public, and not local legal
>preassumptions, of whose equitableness in any given jurisdiction
Nova
>Roman authorities cannot be certain. Having changed social gender,
>the Citizen may and must adopt an otherwise properly-formed Roman
>name in the corresponding grammatical gender.]
>
><----- End Forwarded Message ----->

RESPONDEO: I neglected to say anything about this proposal initially,
as I was more interested in the philosophical and ethical issues
behind the matter, and had no particular feelings about the precise
mechanism proposed here. I have been asked privately about my
feelings on this version, however, so U shall go on rec0rd with the
following comment:

I myself would simply say, "the Censors are to register any name
change submitted by a civis, providing that the revised name is
consistent with the principles for the original adoption of a Roman
name heretofore stated."

Marius' proposed version is therefore a compromise, since it gives
precise and limited criteria for the change of a name in gender and
the oversight and presumed veto power of the pater/mater familias.

Since I think that the criteria provided and the ability to change
gens if necessary successfully make it possible for a transgendering
individual to change his or her name appropriately when necessary
with a minimum of undue red tape or imposition, I would be willing to
accept such a compromise, were it offered to us for a vote. Will it
be?

Valete!

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A new member of gens Vedia
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:39:57 EDT

Salve Flavius Vedius

What a pleasure to come back to the list after a day or two and find your
announcment. Congratulations to you and to Priscilla Vedia, and good
health to Vedia Juliana.

L. Sergius Aust. Obst.

On 4/11/01 5:58 PM Flavius Vedius Germanicus (germanicus@--------)
wrote:

>Salvete
>
>It is with boundless pleasure that I would like to welcome Vedia Juliana
>(aka Samantha Morgan Bloch) to gens Vedia. She was born last night at 10:22
>eastern time via caesarian section, weighing 9 pounds 3 ounces and measuring
>20 inches in length. She and her mother, Priscilla Vedia, are resting
>comfortably in the hospital (due to be released Saturday), and her father
>(yours truly) is bouncing off the walls with joy and pride. :-)
>
>Next year in the Forum!
>
>Valete,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Consul
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma Coins are IN!!
From:	QFabiusMax@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:27:05 EDT

Salve Marcus Cassius

If these are available for mail order purchase now, I need some to give out
for bets at our miniature chariot race next Sat. This will add greatly to the
festivities. How quick can we turn around?

Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma Coins are IN!!
From:	QFabiusMax@--------
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:55:16 EDT

Salvete

That was supposed to be a private message to the Consul.
Sorry for the waste of bandwith.

Valete
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [ScholaLatina] Latinized form of Massachusetts??
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:42:54 +0200

Salve Minuci!

If you find it on a Harvard diploma, you had better believe it! It is
a rather old form, a substantive genitive plural, meaning "In the
Republic of the Massachusetts (Tribe)". From, presumably, a singular
form "Massachusettensis" meaning "a Massachusetts tribesman" or
"pertaining to the Massachusetts (Tribe)".

It is also possible that the idea is one of using the plural of the
inhabitants as the same of the place. For example, "Sinae" (pl.) for
China or "Seres" (pl.) for China. (Classical forms, today we most
oftan say "China" or "Sina".)

The form that I have here is "Massaciusetta". This is more modern
and easier to use, but the form given by Harvard is also, as one
would suspect!, correct. It is not rare for a place to have several
alternative names in Latin used at different times or simply by
different authors or authorities.

By the way, the "ch" in the name was originally pronounced as "sh",
being a French transcription of the Indian name. (Just as 'Chicago'
begins with an "sh" sound for the same reason, even today.) In Latin,
of course, "ch" is K+H, and "ciu" is like KYU.

Bene Vale!

M. Apollonius Formosanus,
Magister Ludi

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:51:33 -0400, scholalatina@--------
wrote:
>Salvete!
>
>I've been trying to track down a latinization of "Massachusetts"
>with little luck. I just ran across something today that I think may
>be it, but I'd like to run it by the experts! ^_^ I was looking at
>my grandfathers dipolma from Harvard, which is in Latin, and I
>noticed at the top the following sentence:
>
>" In Republica Massachusettensium omnibus ad quos hae litterae
>pervenerint salutem."
>
>So would Massachusettensium be the proper latinized form?? If anyone
>knows, I'd really appreciate it!
>
>Multas Gratias!
>
>Valete!
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] festival Sodalitas Musarum
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:24:55 +0100 (BST)

Salve Salix Astur

--- Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote: >
Salvete, romani quirites; et salve, Apolloni
> Cicatrix.
>
> Great piece of information! It's nice to see a job
> well done. It has
> been specially interesting for me since I have the
> intention to create
> a civitas in Madrid (Spain). I surely will take
> inspiration from your
> essay. Besides, it is even more appropriate because
> one of the original
> texts came from a town in Hispania, so I'd say we
> would be just
> recreating a local tradition :-).
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Valete Bene.
> Gnaeus Salix Astur, protocivis romanus.

Actually, the two towns of Irni and Urso should be
close to each other. I have found Urso on a map, but
not Irni. Do you know where it was situated?

Vale
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] festival Sodalitas Musarum
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:43:17 +0100 (BST)

Salve, Salix

And I even forgot to thank you for your kind words!
First I thought it would be a rather boring subject...
Anyway, thanx

Tiberius

PS. The English translation of the Lex Irnitana I used
to make my essay is written by Michael H Crawford and
I think it should have been published in a book or
article by Julian Gonzalez. The translation of the Lex
Ursonensis should be out of a book or article called
'Roman Statutes'. Maybe you can somehow track them
down.

--- Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
<consulromanus@--------> wrote: > Salve Salix Astur
>
> --- Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> >
> Salvete, romani quirites; et salve, Apolloni
> > Cicatrix.
> >
> > Great piece of information! It's nice to see a job
> > well done. It has
> > been specially interesting for me since I have the
> > intention to create
> > a civitas in Madrid (Spain). I surely will take
> > inspiration from your
> > essay. Besides, it is even more appropriate
> because
> > one of the original
> > texts came from a town in Hispania, so I'd say we
> > would be just
> > recreating a local tradition :-).
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> >
> > Valete Bene.
> > Gnaeus Salix Astur, protocivis romanus.
>
>
> Actually, the two towns of Irni and Urso should be
> close to each other. I have found Urso on a map, but
> not Irni. Do you know where it was situated?
>
> Vale
> Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
>
> =====
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> patiuntur, decernunt; cum tacent, clamant." (M.
> Tullius Cicero: In Catilinam I, 20)
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The alternative name-change edict
From:	"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:27:44 +0200

Salvete Consul et Quirites Novae Romae

> I'm still going very, very slowly through the voluminous email that's
piled
> up, but I did want to point out that L Marius actually posted the
> alternative wording for the edictum (reluctantly) at my urging. It was
sent
> to me privately a while ago, but I thought it would be best if it came
from
> the source. So, regardless of what you may think of the _content_ of the
> suggested alternative, please rest assured that the impetus for the post
> came from me, rather than some desire to cause a ruckus. I would also urge
> everyone to comment on the substance of the suggested alternatives, rather
> than any ancilliary issues.
>
> I'll be posting on the substance of the whole issue later tonight
(assuming
> that I can tear myself away from feeding little Vedia long enough to do
> so!).
>
> Oh, and thanks to everyone for your kind words about our blessed event.
It's
> wonderful to see such an outpouring of good feelings. We are truly
friends,
> even if we do disagree at times.

My 2 denarii: what if we put both the original AND the reworked version by
Marius up for a vote? That would be honest, no?

Valete bene!
Draco

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Problems for a new citizen
From:	Lucilla Cornelia Cinna <CorneliaLucilla@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:33:39 +0200

Salve Gai Noviodune Ferricule,

(German translation below)

I wholeheartedly welcome you to Nova Roma and - as Quaestrix praetoria
C. Flavio Diocletiano Praetori Propraetorique Provinciae Germaniae - to
the province Germania to which today's Switzerland belongs as part of
the Regio Germania Superioris, according to the ancient ordo
provinciarum in this area.

Since your other questions ave been answered, I would like to invite you
to the mainling list of the Provincia Germania at yahoo! Groups:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nrgermania
You can find the homepage of Provincia Germania at
http://www.novaroma.de/nr/

Propraetor (gouvernor) of Provincia Germania is C. Flavius Diocletianus
(propraetor@--------)
Legatus Regionis Germaniae superioris is Q. Quinctilius Varus Galili
(legatus.gs@--------)

For more information feel free to contact me privately at
quaestrix@-------- or one of the above.

We will gladly welcome you to the provincial list.
_________________________________________________

Ich begrüße dich von ganzem Herzen in Nova Roma und - als Quaestrix
praetoria C. Flavio Diocletiano Praetori Propraetorique Provinciae
Germaniae - in der Provinz Germania, zu der die heutige Schweiz als ein
Teil der Regio Germania superior gehört - entsprechend der antiken
Einteilung der Provinzen.

Da deinen anderen Fragen bereits beantwortet sine, möchte ich dich gerne
zur Mailingliste der Provincia Germania bei yahoo! Groups einladen:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nrgermania
Die Homepage der Provincia Germania findest du unter
http://www.novaroma.de/nr/

Propraetor (Gouverneur) der Provincia Germania ist C. Flavius
Diocletianus (propraetor@--------)
Legatus Regionis Germaniae superioris ist Q. Quinctilius Varus Galili
(legatus.gs@--------)

Für weitere informationen kannst du mich gerne privat kontaktieren unter
quaestrix@-------- oder einen der beiden obigen.

Wir werden glücklich sein, dich auf der Provinzilaliste begrüßen zu dürfen.

Bene vale,

Lucilla Cornelia Cinna
Quaestrix praetoria C. Flavio Diocletiano Praetori

Erich Reto Iseli wrote:

> SALVETE OMNES,
>
> Nomen meus Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus est.
>
> Today, I had the privilege to be accepted as a citizen of Nova Roma.
> However, I still feel like a barbarus. There are some details I don't
> understand.
>
> - Why is there no provincia Helvetia?
> - I wrote a description about my nomen gentis, however this doesn't
> appear in the album gentium. why? can this still be added now?
> - same for the gods
> - how can I change my personal information
> - why did it take so long from the day of my registration until
> today? (2-3 weeks)
>
> Gratias ago those who can enlighten my spiritus rudis...
>
> G NOVIODVNVS FERRICVLVS S.D.
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Congrats, Q. Sertori!
From:	Lucilla Cornelia Cinna <CorneliaLucilla@-------->
Date:	Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:44:15 +0200

Congratulations, Q. Sertori, for being elected as Tribunus Plebis.
I hope you will not lose track with all the duties and responsibilities
you took over ... Keep up the good work!

Bene vale

Lucilla Cornelia Cinna
Quaestrix C. Flavio Diocletiano Praetori

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Congrats, Q. Sertori!