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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] RE: A boy named Sue
From:	gcassiusnerva@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:05:59 EDT

Salve Quintus,

I think the best we can do is vote for the edict this summer, whenever
it comes up for a vote. And persuade through email as many as possible to
do the same.

Nerva

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A boy named Sue: Sorry!
From:	gcassiusnerva@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:07:14 EDT

That last note to Quintus Sertorius was supposed to be email. Oh
well....Sorry Quintus!

Nerva

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: A Boy Named Sue
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:52:28 -0500

Oppius and I are the two that will be making the additional donations, come
on those of you that can afford it, cause I know I can't but I am anyway(the
wife said I could do it!!!). I will post in my experience paying, so others
can see what it is about.

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: <lsicinius@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:52 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: A Boy Named Sue

> --- In novaroma@--------, QFabiusMax@a... wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > So if you want to change your name in Georgia, to a different
> gender, it
> > costs $25.00?
> >
> > That's cheap. When you change your name to that of a feminine
> persuasion,
> > we will change your official Latin name here in NR to reflect that.
> > There, problem solved. Can we get back to taxes?
> >
> > Valete,
> > Q. Fabius Maximus
>
> LOL,
>
> I would be far more likely to change my Macro national name to Lucius
> Sicinius Drusus. I'm quite comfortable with my gender.
>
> Frankly I bored of this whole sex name fiascio, and I'd welcomwe a
> vote in the comitia to (hopefuly) settle it once and for all. I've
> spoken my mind on this matter and I don't intend to discuss it any futher.
>
> I'm quite ready to continue the discussion on taxes, and as matter of
> fact I made TWO posts this morning and one of them concerned taxes.
> The sex post recived replies, my question regarding taxes did NOT.
>
> I'll repeat it now.
> Nova Roma is a Non Profit Corporation chartered under New Hampshire
> law. I have served on a NPC chartered under Georgia law and am aware
> of what I had to do in the way of making reports to members of the NPC
> regarding all revenues and expenses.
>
> I'm not familar with the laws in Hew Hampshire however. Since some
> citizens have expressed an unease at what may happen to thier tax
> money, I would like to know what will be required of Nova Roma as far
> as the Macro national laws of the State of New Hampshire are concerned.
>
> IF New Hampshire laws are strict and contain the criminal penalities
> the the Micro Nation of Nova Roma isn't able to enforce, then the
> citizens uneasy about providing taxes because of problems they
> observed in thier Macro Nation may be more willing to support the tax
> plan.
>
> As for myself I have allready stated my support. On Sunday Morning I
> made a $US 25.00 donation to Nova Roma to show my willingness to pay
> my taxes. I issused a challenge at that time asking that others show
> thier support in a similar matter sugesting a $US 12.00 donation. That
> Post only recived TWO replies, and that leaves me wondering just how
> much support for taxes there really is.
>
> Lucius Sicinius Drusus
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Patron/Client -One client's real view...
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:53:18 -0500

Good for you Gnaeus!

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Patron/Client -One client's real view...

> Salvete, romani quirites.
>
> I, Gnaeus Salix Astur, announce that I also seek a
> patron. I can offer my experience as a computer
> programmer and a telecomm engineering student. But
> mostly, I offer my will to work and enthusiasm (both
> can be corrobored on this very same list).
>
>
>
> =====
> Bene Valete!
> Gnaeus Salix Astur.
> Protocivis romanus.
>
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: A Boy Named Sue
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:12:03 +1000

Ave Lucius Sicinius Drusus

Is NOVA resident in New Hampshire - isn't NOVA a world based organisation,
given that it has representation in the Senate from a number of Countries -
why New Hampshire ... have not we out grown this .... if the laws are so
draconian than perhaps we should consider registering it elsewhere - after
reading some of our laws and constitution, we have more than enough
competence in this organisation to draft and govern our own laws to ensure
good corporate governance.

Should not we register it elsewhere ??? We should not be bothered by macro
laws of some US State.

Marcus Sentius Claudius

-----Original Message-----
From: lsicinius@-------- [mailto:lsicinius@--------]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 9:53 Am
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Re: A Boy Named Sue

--- In novaroma@--------, QFabiusMax@a... wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> So if you want to change your name in Georgia, to a different
gender, it
> costs $25.00?
>
> That's cheap. When you change your name to that of a feminine
persuasion,
> we will change your official Latin name here in NR to reflect that.
> There, problem solved. Can we get back to taxes?
>
> Valete,
> Q. Fabius Maximus

LOL,

I would be far more likely to change my Macro national name to Lucius
Sicinius Drusus. I'm quite comfortable with my gender.

Frankly I bored of this whole sex name fiascio, and I'd welcomwe a
vote in the comitia to (hopefuly) settle it once and for all. I've
spoken my mind on this matter and I don't intend to discuss it any futher.

I'm quite ready to continue the discussion on taxes, and as matter of
fact I made TWO posts this morning and one of them concerned taxes.
The sex post recived replies, my question regarding taxes did NOT.

I'll repeat it now.
Nova Roma is a Non Profit Corporation chartered under New Hampshire
law. I have served on a NPC chartered under Georgia law and am aware
of what I had to do in the way of making reports to members of the NPC
regarding all revenues and expenses.

I'm not familar with the laws in Hew Hampshire however. Since some
citizens have expressed an unease at what may happen to thier tax
money, I would like to know what will be required of Nova Roma as far
as the Macro national laws of the State of New Hampshire are concerned.

IF New Hampshire laws are strict and contain the criminal penalities
the the Micro Nation of Nova Roma isn't able to enforce, then the
citizens uneasy about providing taxes because of problems they
observed in thier Macro Nation may be more willing to support the tax
plan.

As for myself I have allready stated my support. On Sunday Morning I
made a $US 25.00 donation to Nova Roma to show my willingness to pay
my taxes. I issused a challenge at that time asking that others show
thier support in a similar matter sugesting a $US 12.00 donation. That
Post only recived TWO replies, and that leaves me wondering just how
much support for taxes there really is.

Lucius Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] RE: A boy named Sue
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:57:05 -0500

Yes good point, many others will do the same, and pass this.

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: <gcassiusnerva@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] RE: A boy named Sue

> Salve Quintus,
>
> I think the best we can do is vote for the edict this summer,
whenever
> it comes up for a vote. And persuade through email as many as possible
to
> do the same.
>
> Nerva
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Replies
From:	"Een verdoold zieltje" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:15:11 +0200

Salvete Quirites of Nova Roma,

After a brief period of consideration, I've come to this Forum once more.
I'll try to reply shortly to a few things said here recently.

First off, I want to address all those who talk which such utter admirance
of our Glorious State That Needs To Be Governed Well. Forgive me my sarcasm,
but as I once analyzed before for myself, of the 800 citizens, a small half
has the main list, about half of those bother to vote, a slight half of
those bothers to talk, half of those is overloaded with titles, and the
final half effectively °does° something other than talking (about 25
citizens, that is). And that "doing" is mainly record keeping, governing and
legislating. So far for the cultural revival of NR, while all we seem to be
so concerned about is titlemongering and social reconstruction of tightly
hierarchic structures. Many of those so-called powerful citizens, by the
way, don't even know decent Latin (and that after being a citizen for more
than 2 years), which is a shame for our ancestors. Wake up and smell the
coffee, citizens!

You won't hear me saying some people aren't different, and it's most likely
those people who will feel truly insulted. My apologies to those people.

Secondly. People °voluntaring° to have patroni? It's your choice citizens,
but remember, if you're knee-deep in corruption it'll be your own fault.

On to other business...

Nerva scripsit:

> Lucia Maria Peregrina and Apollonius Formosanus,
>
> Please show us the law which requires citizens to address a woman as if
she
> were a man.
>
> And Draco, if you are reading this, this ludicrous attempt to shove
> "politically correct" rubbish down the throats of the rest of us is a
perfect
> example of social engineering.

Nerva, be so kind as to show me a law that requires a man to be addressed as
one. Social engineering? I think not. Courtesy and politness, respecting
someone's very modest wishes, that's what's this about.

Graecus scripsit:

> Fellow citizens of Nova Roma, do you see what I mean? These people's bet
is
> to sink Nova Roma into sexuality discussions deviating it from its main
> scope. Consider this: any people interested on Rome or its history will
not
> become citizens once they find out that Nova Roma is nothing but a site
> devoted to sexuality discussions.
> And I tell you... These people will only shut their mouths up after the
> enraged people of Nova Roma tells them to do so.
>
> Citizens of Nova Roma, the power lies with you. If you want Nova Roma to
> focus on Romanitas, please post to this list asking these respectful
ladies
> and gentlemen to stop the transgender issue.
> If, on the other hand you want to finish the work of those who recently
left
> and prefer to aim at destroying or deviating Nova Roma, please do as these
> respectful ladies and gentlemen ask you to do, keep theese sexual debates,
> send postings against the Senate, crucify Censor Sulla and his supporter
> Quintus Fabius Maximus, burn the Consuls alive, insult the rest of the
> magistrates, and finish your job by cursing the Roman Gods once again!

Where do you get that opinion that it is people's target to °destroy° NR
because they have views that you don't agree with? Argue with logic rather
than persuavive sermoning, please. And I truly cannot believe that people
are agreeing with this hysterical, baseless talk. If you want this thread to
end, present your reasons rather than "I don't like it", or "Has been said
before". If the latter is the case, it proves that the one's in their ivory
towers haven't been listening hard enough.

Quintus Sertorius scripsit:

> Also, if one lies it deems this organization to the level of a
> game...does it not?

I could not agree more with this good man.

Valete bene, Quirites
Sextus Apollonius Draco,
Vainqueur, ICQ# 32924725
Darkling_Crawler, Yahoo IM

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Patron/Client -One client's real view...
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:43:20 -0500

Salve Oppi Flacce

> After reasoned requests by Consul Germanice et
> Pompeia Cornelia -and after much consideration;
> it seemed that it might be beneficial to actually
> share the experiences of real-life client -me.

Thank you for sharing your experience with us. What you described was
not, however, the historical version of the patronus-cliens
relationship. You described a pair of friendly people trading favors in
a relatively structured way. I have no problem with that, especially
since you are constrained only by your loyalty to a friend to support L
Cornelius' causes. (However, I must say that my opinion would be rather
different if the offer were, say, an offer of support for getting into
the Senate in return for attempting to damage your patron's opponents.)

In Roma Antiqua, a cliens did not have that choice in any meaningful way
unless he attached himself to another patronus. The cliens' obligations
to the patronus were recognized by law, and a cliens could suffer more
than simply his patronus' ire if he went his own way. It is this aspect
of clientela to which I object most strenuously.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
"People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach
conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant."
-Helen Keller

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: A Boy Named Sue
From:	lsicinius@--------
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:52:25 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> Ave Lucius Sicinius Drusus
>
> Is NOVA resident in New Hampshire - isn't NOVA a world based
organisation,
> given that it has representation in the Senate from a number of
Countries -
> why New Hampshire ... have not we out grown this .... if the laws are so
> draconian than perhaps we should consider registering it elsewhere -
after
> reading some of our laws and constitution, we have more than enough
> competence in this organisation to draft and govern our own laws to
ensure
> good corporate governance.
>
> Should not we register it elsewhere ??? We should not be bothered
by macro
> laws of some US State.
>
> Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
>

Salvete,
Leagal incorparation provides certain protections for Nova Roma's
Citizens. As an example if a legal enity called Nova Roma didn't exist
then the person who filed for the domain "www.novaroma.org" would own
it as his personal properity and could sell it at any time he wished
to do so. Since the domain has been transfered to Nova Roma inc. this
can't be done. The same goes for the trademark on the flag.

On the matter of taxes I certainly would NOT be willing to pay tax
money to a private indiviual. Without the legal structure of a NPC
that is what you would be doing, and that indiviual could do as he
pleased with the money.

At some future date Consul Nemo may decide to convert the Nova Roman
treasury into a new den for his house. If Nova Roma is incorparated we
would have the option of forcing Nemo to face Macro National Law for
these actions. Under Nova Roman law the most we could do is banish him
for life, and frankly I don't think Nemo would care.

As to the location where Nova Roma is incorprated, That is a matter of
little concern to me, as long as the laws regarding NPCs are strict
and provide protection for the members (citizens) of the corparation.

Nova Roma's articles of incorpration are at
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/articles.html

Valete
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Corrections
From:	"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:45:27 +0200

Salve Nova Roma,

Uh, it's truly getting late for me isn't it - just wanted to correct "which" which should have been "with" and that it should be "volunteerily" instead of "voluntarily" in my previous posting, plus my "from"-field contained the wrong name.

Thanks for understanding.

Vale bene,
Draco

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: A Boy Named Sue
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:06:38 +1000

You totally miss the point, we can still have an incorporated entity, but it
does not need to be US based/resident. Think outside of the box.

Marcus Sentius Claudius

-----Original Message-----
From: lsicinius@-------- [mailto:lsicinius@--------]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 10:52 Am
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Re: A Boy Named Sue

--- In novaroma@--------, Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> Ave Lucius Sicinius Drusus
>
> Is NOVA resident in New Hampshire - isn't NOVA a world based
organisation,
> given that it has representation in the Senate from a number of
Countries -
> why New Hampshire ... have not we out grown this .... if the laws are so
> draconian than perhaps we should consider registering it elsewhere -
after
> reading some of our laws and constitution, we have more than enough
> competence in this organisation to draft and govern our own laws to
ensure
> good corporate governance.
>
> Should not we register it elsewhere ??? We should not be bothered
by macro
> laws of some US State.
>
> Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
>

Salvete,
Leagal incorparation provides certain protections for Nova Roma's
Citizens. As an example if a legal enity called Nova Roma didn't exist
then the person who filed for the domain "www.novaroma.org" would own
it as his personal properity and could sell it at any time he wished
to do so. Since the domain has been transfered to Nova Roma inc. this
can't be done. The same goes for the trademark on the flag.

On the matter of taxes I certainly would NOT be willing to pay tax
money to a private indiviual. Without the legal structure of a NPC
that is what you would be doing, and that indiviual could do as he
pleased with the money.

At some future date Consul Nemo may decide to convert the Nova Roman
treasury into a new den for his house. If Nova Roma is incorparated we
would have the option of forcing Nemo to face Macro National Law for
these actions. Under Nova Roman law the most we could do is banish him
for life, and frankly I don't think Nemo would care.

As to the location where Nova Roma is incorprated, That is a matter of
little concern to me, as long as the laws regarding NPCs are strict
and provide protection for the members (citizens) of the corparation.

Nova Roma's articles of incorpration are at
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/articles.html

Valete
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Clients et Patrons
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:07:10 -0000

Salvete Oppius Flaccus et Omnes:

Let me state publically that I admire your forthrightness and
sincerity, Oppius.

Valete,
Pompeia Cornelia

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: A Boy Named Sue
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <hucke@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:14:44 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Marce Senti,

> You totally miss the point, we can still have an incorporated entity, but it
> does not need to be US based/resident. Think outside of the box.

But it has to be incorporated *somewhere*, and unless the laws are
hugely different elsewhere, enough so to make it worthwhile, it makes
sense to do it in a location relatively convenient for most of
the senior magistrates at the time of incorporation.

Vale, Octavius.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: A Boy Named Sue
From:	lsicinius@--------
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:33:22 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> You totally miss the point, we can still have an incorporated
entity, but it
> does not need to be US based/resident. Think outside of the box.
>
>
>
> Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lsicinius@-------- [mailto:lsicinius@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 10:52 Am
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: A Boy Named Sue
>
>
> --- In novaroma@--------, Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> > Ave Lucius Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > Is NOVA resident in New Hampshire - isn't NOVA a world based
> organisation,
> > given that it has representation in the Senate from a number of
> Countries -
> > why New Hampshire ... have not we out grown this .... if the laws
are so
> > draconian than perhaps we should consider registering it elsewhere -
> after
> > reading some of our laws and constitution, we have more than enough
> > competence in this organisation to draft and govern our own laws to
> ensure
> > good corporate governance.
> >
> > Should not we register it elsewhere ??? We should not be bothered
> by macro
> > laws of some US State.
> >
> > Marcus Sentius Claudius
> >
> >
>

SNIP

> As to the location where Nova Roma is incorprated, That is a matter of
> little concern to me, as long as the laws regarding NPCs are strict
> and provide protection for the members (citizens) of the corparation.

SNIP
>
> Valete
> Lucius Sicinius Drusus
>
>
>
>
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Salve Marcus Sentius,

Please reread the section of my post I didn't snip. I would have no
personal objection to incorpration in Oz or Europe as long as the laws
provideed me with protection. For the time being since most of our
Senators and Magistrates are US residents we recive better protection
by having US incorpration. It's much easier to extradite someone from
one US State to another than it is to extradite them to Oz or Europe.
Beyond that matter I truly don't care which Macro Nation Nova Roma is
incorprated in as long as that nation has strict laws regarding NPCs,
and when Nova Roma becomes more international rest assured you will
have my support if switching incorpration to another nation if it will
provide our citizens with more protection.

Vale,
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Replies
From:	Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@-------->
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:13:32 +0200

Sextus Apollonius Draco wrote:
> So far for the cultural revival of NR, while all we seem to be
> so concerned about is titlemongering and social reconstruction of tightly
> hierarchic structures. Many of those so-called powerful citizens, by the
> way, don't even know decent Latin (and that after being a citizen for more
> than 2 years), which is a shame for our ancestors. Wake up and smell the
> coffee, citizens!

Salve, Sextus Apollonius Draco.

I must admit to not knowing decent latin myself, nor will I likely find
the time to learn in the next two years. Admittedly, I am interested in
learning latin, and thus the odds of my doing so are slightly better
than the average citizen, who might be interested in roman society,
history, and the Nova Roman ideals, without wanting to learn a dead
language to appease traditionalists.

After all, latin is dead, and even though we employ latin words and
phrases for various Nova Roman concepts in honor of our predecessors, I
fail to see in what manner a citizen is any less devoted to Nova Roma if
he between his work hours, family life, and work on Nova Roma, fails to
master the latin language within two years of joining.

I mean, most romans didn't learn it that well in less than three...:)

Vale,

Titus Octavius Pius,
Consilarius Thules,
Praeco Anarei Thules,
Scriba to the Curator Araneum

AKA Kristoffer From

---

Si hoc signum legere potes,
operis boni in rebus latinis alacribus
et fructuosis potiri potes.

- Not-so-famous quotation

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] A Boy Named Sue
From:	Ira Adams <iadams@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:31:10 -0500

Salve noble Graecus

You too make an excellent point. No-one in Nova Roma is interested in any
sex change as far as I know. The only ones to raise that issue have been
the Censores, who wrote an edict about it. It has no relevance to
anything that has arisen in Nova Roma, so let them take it away and we
can be rid of it.

But then, on the other hand, neither has anyone here been talking about
wanting sexual partners or having sexual frustrations, so where are you
coming from with those complaints?

Strange how topics get distorted here.

Vale,

L. Sergius Australicus Obst.

On 4/10/01 10:09 AM Antonio Grilo (amg@--------) wrote:

>Salvete
>
>While I consider all kind of people as my equals irrespective of sexual
>orientation, race, religion, etc, I'm really tired of these arguments about
>sex change within Nova Roma. Please all of you interested on the discussion
>of sexual orientation, etc. choose another site from among the available on
>the Web. A good one is
>http://www.shemale.com/
>
>All of you who want to get sexual partners or simply talk about your
>frustrations, there are a lot of dedicated IRC channels, mailing lists,
>Message Boards, etc.
>Violations of human rights, intolerance, etc. are also dealt with by
>macronational organisations and authorities.
>
>But please take this subject out from Nova Roma once and for all! We are
>here for Romanitas, not for Sexualitas.
>
>Valete omnes
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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Subject:	[novaroma] IM database
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:43:46 -0700

Ave,

This is a reminder that if you have any IM programs that you use, please
send me an email so that it can be included in our Instant Messaging
Database. This database is accessible if you click on the Forum Romanum
link on the www.novaroma.org/main.html. Thank you for your time and
convenience in this matter.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

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Subject:	[novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:45:39 +1000

Salvete

I cannot understand how a little country of Australia has 29 Citizens and no
Senators, whilst Britania has 36 Citizens - yet has a lot of Senators. I am
new to this (obviously) and I am going to work this voting thing out
(eventually) - I am sure it will be a good and exciting lesson in History
for me...

I am also planning a get together of fellow Citizens in Victoria Australia,
so if anyone if out there who is interested they can email me at
mark_a_bird@-------- or at home on markbird@waterbyrdfilmz.com.au.

If anyone has any ideas on what people usually do at these gatherings, let
me also know as any help would be appreciated.

Valete,

Marcus Sentius Claudius

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:48:26 -0700

Ave,

Just a minor correction, Britannia has no Senators in Nova Roma. You can
check this information by clicking on the following link:
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provinciae

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:45 PM
Subject: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

> Salvete
>
> I cannot understand how a little country of Australia has 29 Citizens and
no
> Senators, whilst Britania has 36 Citizens - yet has a lot of Senators. I
am
> new to this (obviously) and I am going to work this voting thing out
> (eventually) - I am sure it will be a good and exciting lesson in History
> for me...
>
> I am also planning a get together of fellow Citizens in Victoria
Australia,
> so if anyone if out there who is interested they can email me at
> mark_a_bird@-------- or at home on markbird@waterbyrdfilmz.com.au.
>
> If anyone has any ideas on what people usually do at these gatherings, let
> me also know as any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:53:39 +1000

I am sorry - I feel so stupid - heavens - why would I have thought Nova
Britannia to be Britannia

As they say in Oz, only in America....(only joking)...

-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 1:48 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

Ave,

Just a minor correction, Britannia has no Senators in Nova Roma. You can
check this information by clicking on the following link:
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provinciae

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:45 PM
Subject: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

> Salvete
>
> I cannot understand how a little country of Australia has 29 Citizens and
no
> Senators, whilst Britania has 36 Citizens - yet has a lot of Senators. I
am
> new to this (obviously) and I am going to work this voting thing out
> (eventually) - I am sure it will be a good and exciting lesson in History
> for me...
>
> I am also planning a get together of fellow Citizens in Victoria
Australia,
> so if anyone if out there who is interested they can email me at
> mark_a_bird@-------- or at home on markbird@waterbyrdfilmz.com.au.
>
> If anyone has any ideas on what people usually do at these gatherings, let
> me also know as any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:56:08 +1000

Hey "dito" - Nova Britannia - 36 Citizens - Oz 29 ??>>>>

-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 1:48 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

Ave,

Just a minor correction, Britannia has no Senators in Nova Roma. You can
check this information by clicking on the following link:
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provinciae

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:45 PM
Subject: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

> Salvete
>
> I cannot understand how a little country of Australia has 29 Citizens and
no
> Senators, whilst Britania has 36 Citizens - yet has a lot of Senators. I
am
> new to this (obviously) and I am going to work this voting thing out
> (eventually) - I am sure it will be a good and exciting lesson in History
> for me...
>
> I am also planning a get together of fellow Citizens in Victoria
Australia,
> so if anyone if out there who is interested they can email me at
> mark_a_bird@-------- or at home on markbird@waterbyrdfilmz.com.au.
>
> If anyone has any ideas on what people usually do at these gatherings, let
> me also know as any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:59:20 -0700

Oh, Nova Britannia...thats different...the reason why there are so many
senators in Nova Britannia, Mediatlantica and for that matter California, is
that is where Nova Roma really developed from.

Our founders are both in Nova Britannia and Mediatlantica....and Senator Q.
Fabius and I are from California. See, when Nova Roma was first founded,
it was based back East (in the United States). Since then Nova Roma has
grown dramatically. But, the political officers, for the most part, have
been in Nova Roma for a very long time. It wasnt til last year, during the
Consulship of Q.Fabius and M. Municius that the Consulship were held by
citizens who were not apart of Nova Roma since Nova Roma began. Also,
another interesting fact is that both Senator Fabius and Senator Municius
were originally Plebians who were co-opted into the Patrician Class.

I hope that answers your questions, if you have any other, please feel free
to ask.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:53 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

> I am sorry - I feel so stupid - heavens - why would I have thought Nova
> Britannia to be Britannia
>
> As they say in Oz, only in America....(only joking)...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 1:48 Pm
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
>
>
> Ave,
>
> Just a minor correction, Britannia has no Senators in Nova Roma. You can
> check this information by clicking on the following link:
> http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provinciae
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:45 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
>
>
> > Salvete
> >
> > I cannot understand how a little country of Australia has 29 Citizens
and
> no
> > Senators, whilst Britania has 36 Citizens - yet has a lot of Senators.
I
> am
> > new to this (obviously) and I am going to work this voting thing out
> > (eventually) - I am sure it will be a good and exciting lesson in
History
> > for me...
> >
> > I am also planning a get together of fellow Citizens in Victoria
> Australia,
> > so if anyone if out there who is interested they can email me at
> > mark_a_bird@-------- or at home on
markbird@--------
> >
> > If anyone has any ideas on what people usually do at these gatherings,
let
> > me also know as any help would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Marcus Sentius Claudius
> >
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:19:29 +1000

Ave Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix,

Thanks for the background. What can one say to Citizens who have created
this - THANK YOU !!!

There must be some degree of nervousness about where Nova is going and that
you may be loosing control of some of it, mixed with absolute and extreme
excitement to see it take on an international flare and growing into
something bigger. I do hope we have our own Senator one day in OZ ...>>>>

Marcus Sentius Claudius

-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 1:59 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

Oh, Nova Britannia...thats different...the reason why there are so many
senators in Nova Britannia, Mediatlantica and for that matter California, is
that is where Nova Roma really developed from.

Our founders are both in Nova Britannia and Mediatlantica....and Senator Q.
Fabius and I are from California. See, when Nova Roma was first founded,
it was based back East (in the United States). Since then Nova Roma has
grown dramatically. But, the political officers, for the most part, have
been in Nova Roma for a very long time. It wasnt til last year, during the
Consulship of Q.Fabius and M. Municius that the Consulship were held by
citizens who were not apart of Nova Roma since Nova Roma began. Also,
another interesting fact is that both Senator Fabius and Senator Municius
were originally Plebians who were co-opted into the Patrician Class.

I hope that answers your questions, if you have any other, please feel free
to ask.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:53 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

> I am sorry - I feel so stupid - heavens - why would I have thought Nova
> Britannia to be Britannia
>
> As they say in Oz, only in America....(only joking)...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 1:48 Pm
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
>
>
> Ave,
>
> Just a minor correction, Britannia has no Senators in Nova Roma. You can
> check this information by clicking on the following link:
> http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provinciae
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:45 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
>
>
> > Salvete
> >
> > I cannot understand how a little country of Australia has 29 Citizens
and
> no
> > Senators, whilst Britania has 36 Citizens - yet has a lot of Senators.
I
> am
> > new to this (obviously) and I am going to work this voting thing out
> > (eventually) - I am sure it will be a good and exciting lesson in
History
> > for me...
> >
> > I am also planning a get together of fellow Citizens in Victoria
> Australia,
> > so if anyone if out there who is interested they can email me at
> > mark_a_bird@-------- or at home on
markbird@--------
> >
> > If anyone has any ideas on what people usually do at these gatherings,
let
> > me also know as any help would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Marcus Sentius Claudius
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:32:39 -0700

Ave,

My comments below:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

> Ave Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix,
>
> Thanks for the background. What can one say to Citizens who have created
> this - THANK YOU !!!

Sure no problem, I highly recommend you examining the archieves..you will
get a Plethora of information there. Granted there is probably 15000
messages..but, really you will learn alot about the history of Nova Roma.
Hopefully one day the archieves will be actively updated and we will have a
condensed version available on the NR website.

> There must be some degree of nervousness about where Nova is going and
that
> you may be loosing control of some of it, mixed with absolute and extreme
> excitement to see it take on an international flare and growing into
> something bigger. I do hope we have our own Senator one day in OZ
...>>>>

Nope, once again, one of the factors I really like about patron client is
that the newer generations of Nova Romans will be able to take off and
continue Nova Roma's evolution once the Founders are no longer magistrates.
Remember, Nova Roma will continue even if we old timers pass away, the thing
is continuity. No citizens is NO more important than any other citizen. I
do not consider myself any more important than any of our citizens. That is
one of the true benefits of a Republican Government, IMHO.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

> Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 1:59 Pm
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
>
>
> Oh, Nova Britannia...thats different...the reason why there are so many
> senators in Nova Britannia, Mediatlantica and for that matter California,
is
> that is where Nova Roma really developed from.
>
> Our founders are both in Nova Britannia and Mediatlantica....and Senator
Q.
> Fabius and I are from California. See, when Nova Roma was first founded,
> it was based back East (in the United States). Since then Nova Roma has
> grown dramatically. But, the political officers, for the most part, have
> been in Nova Roma for a very long time. It wasnt til last year, during
the
> Consulship of Q.Fabius and M. Municius that the Consulship were held by
> citizens who were not apart of Nova Roma since Nova Roma began. Also,
> another interesting fact is that both Senator Fabius and Senator Municius
> were originally Plebians who were co-opted into the Patrician Class.
>
> I hope that answers your questions, if you have any other, please feel
free
> to ask.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
>
>
> > I am sorry - I feel so stupid - heavens - why would I have thought Nova
> > Britannia to be Britannia
> >
> > As they say in Oz, only in America....(only joking)...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 1:48 Pm
> > To: novaroma@--------
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
> >
> >
> > Ave,
> >
> > Just a minor correction, Britannia has no Senators in Nova Roma. You
can
> > check this information by clicking on the following link:
> > http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provinciae
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > Censor
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
> > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:45 PM
> > Subject: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
> >
> >
> > > Salvete
> > >
> > > I cannot understand how a little country of Australia has 29 Citizens
> and
> > no
> > > Senators, whilst Britania has 36 Citizens - yet has a lot of Senators.
> I
> > am
> > > new to this (obviously) and I am going to work this voting thing out
> > > (eventually) - I am sure it will be a good and exciting lesson in
> History
> > > for me...
> > >
> > > I am also planning a get together of fellow Citizens in Victoria
> > Australia,
> > > so if anyone if out there who is interested they can email me at
> > > mark_a_bird@-------- or at home on
> markbird@--------
> > >
> > > If anyone has any ideas on what people usually do at these gatherings,
> let
> > > me also know as any help would be appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > Marcus Sentius Claudius
> > >
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:39:42 +1000

Ave Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix,

Don't you sleep - what time is it over there ?????

Marcus Sentius Claudius

-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 2:33 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

Ave,

My comments below:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

> Ave Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix,
>
> Thanks for the background. What can one say to Citizens who have created
> this - THANK YOU !!!

Sure no problem, I highly recommend you examining the archieves..you will
get a Plethora of information there. Granted there is probably 15000
messages..but, really you will learn alot about the history of Nova Roma.
Hopefully one day the archieves will be actively updated and we will have a
condensed version available on the NR website.

> There must be some degree of nervousness about where Nova is going and
that
> you may be loosing control of some of it, mixed with absolute and extreme
> excitement to see it take on an international flare and growing into
> something bigger. I do hope we have our own Senator one day in OZ
...>>>>

Nope, once again, one of the factors I really like about patron client is
that the newer generations of Nova Romans will be able to take off and
continue Nova Roma's evolution once the Founders are no longer magistrates.
Remember, Nova Roma will continue even if we old timers pass away, the thing
is continuity. No citizens is NO more important than any other citizen. I
do not consider myself any more important than any of our citizens. That is
one of the true benefits of a Republican Government, IMHO.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

> Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 1:59 Pm
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
>
>
> Oh, Nova Britannia...thats different...the reason why there are so many
> senators in Nova Britannia, Mediatlantica and for that matter California,
is
> that is where Nova Roma really developed from.
>
> Our founders are both in Nova Britannia and Mediatlantica....and Senator
Q.
> Fabius and I are from California. See, when Nova Roma was first founded,
> it was based back East (in the United States). Since then Nova Roma has
> grown dramatically. But, the political officers, for the most part, have
> been in Nova Roma for a very long time. It wasnt til last year, during
the
> Consulship of Q.Fabius and M. Municius that the Consulship were held by
> citizens who were not apart of Nova Roma since Nova Roma began. Also,
> another interesting fact is that both Senator Fabius and Senator Municius
> were originally Plebians who were co-opted into the Patrician Class.
>
> I hope that answers your questions, if you have any other, please feel
free
> to ask.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
>
>
> > I am sorry - I feel so stupid - heavens - why would I have thought Nova
> > Britannia to be Britannia
> >
> > As they say in Oz, only in America....(only joking)...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 1:48 Pm
> > To: novaroma@--------
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
> >
> >
> > Ave,
> >
> > Just a minor correction, Britannia has no Senators in Nova Roma. You
can
> > check this information by clicking on the following link:
> > http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provinciae
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > Censor
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
> > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:45 PM
> > Subject: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
> >
> >
> > > Salvete
> > >
> > > I cannot understand how a little country of Australia has 29 Citizens
> and
> > no
> > > Senators, whilst Britania has 36 Citizens - yet has a lot of Senators.
> I
> > am
> > > new to this (obviously) and I am going to work this voting thing out
> > > (eventually) - I am sure it will be a good and exciting lesson in
> History
> > > for me...
> > >
> > > I am also planning a get together of fellow Citizens in Victoria
> > Australia,
> > > so if anyone if out there who is interested they can email me at
> > > mark_a_bird@-------- or at home on
> markbird@--------
> > >
> > > If anyone has any ideas on what people usually do at these gatherings,
> let
> > > me also know as any help would be appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > Marcus Sentius Claudius
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:41:35 -0700

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:39 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ

> Ave Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix,
>
> Don't you sleep - what time is it over there ?????

Its only 9:40 pm...and currently I am at work at Earthlink. I dont get off
til 11:30 pm. LOL I am usually awake til around 3 am....Usually available
on AIM, email and ICQ. :)

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

> Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 2:33 Pm
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
>
>
> Ave,
>
> My comments below:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:19 PM
> Subject: RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
>
>
> > Ave Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix,
> >
> > Thanks for the background. What can one say to Citizens who have
created
> > this - THANK YOU !!!
>
> Sure no problem, I highly recommend you examining the archieves..you will
> get a Plethora of information there. Granted there is probably 15000
> messages..but, really you will learn alot about the history of Nova Roma.
> Hopefully one day the archieves will be actively updated and we will have
a
> condensed version available on the NR website.
>
> > There must be some degree of nervousness about where Nova is going and
> that
> > you may be loosing control of some of it, mixed with absolute and
extreme
> > excitement to see it take on an international flare and growing into
> > something bigger. I do hope we have our own Senator one day in OZ
> ...>>>>
>
> Nope, once again, one of the factors I really like about patron client is
> that the newer generations of Nova Romans will be able to take off and
> continue Nova Roma's evolution once the Founders are no longer
magistrates.
> Remember, Nova Roma will continue even if we old timers pass away, the
thing
> is continuity. No citizens is NO more important than any other citizen.
I
> do not consider myself any more important than any of our citizens. That
is
> one of the true benefits of a Republican Government, IMHO.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
>
> > Marcus Sentius Claudius
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 1:59 Pm
> > To: novaroma@--------
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
> >
> >
> > Oh, Nova Britannia...thats different...the reason why there are so many
> > senators in Nova Britannia, Mediatlantica and for that matter
California,
> is
> > that is where Nova Roma really developed from.
> >
> > Our founders are both in Nova Britannia and Mediatlantica....and Senator
> Q.
> > Fabius and I are from California. See, when Nova Roma was first
founded,
> > it was based back East (in the United States). Since then Nova Roma has
> > grown dramatically. But, the political officers, for the most part,
have
> > been in Nova Roma for a very long time. It wasnt til last year, during
> the
> > Consulship of Q.Fabius and M. Municius that the Consulship were held by
> > citizens who were not apart of Nova Roma since Nova Roma began. Also,
> > another interesting fact is that both Senator Fabius and Senator
Municius
> > were originally Plebians who were co-opted into the Patrician Class.
> >
> > I hope that answers your questions, if you have any other, please feel
> free
> > to ask.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > Censor
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
> > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:53 PM
> > Subject: RE: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
> >
> >
> > > I am sorry - I feel so stupid - heavens - why would I have thought
Nova
> > > Britannia to be Britannia
> > >
> > > As they say in Oz, only in America....(only joking)...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2001 1:48 Pm
> > > To: novaroma@--------
> > > Subject: Re: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
> > >
> > >
> > > Ave,
> > >
> > > Just a minor correction, Britannia has no Senators in Nova Roma. You
> can
> > > check this information by clicking on the following link:
> > > http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provinciae
> > >
> > > Respectfully,
> > >
> > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > Censor
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
> > > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:45 PM
> > > Subject: [novaroma] STATS and the Province of OZ
> > >
> > >
> > > > Salvete
> > > >
> > > > I cannot understand how a little country of Australia has 29
Citizens
> > and
> > > no
> > > > Senators, whilst Britania has 36 Citizens - yet has a lot of
Senators.
> > I
> > > am
> > > > new to this (obviously) and I am going to work this voting thing out
> > > > (eventually) - I am sure it will be a good and exciting lesson in
> > History
> > > > for me...
> > > >
> > > > I am also planning a get together of fellow Citizens in Victoria
> > > Australia,
> > > > so if anyone if out there who is interested they can email me at
> > > > mark_a_bird@-------- or at home on
> > markbird@--------
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has any ideas on what people usually do at these
gatherings,
> > let
> > > > me also know as any help would be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Valete,
> > > >
> > > > Marcus Sentius Claudius
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Patron/Client -One client's real view...
From:	"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:51:04 -0700

Salvete Omnes,
In relation to the comments Oppius made about the telephone I agree
wholeheartedly. Voice communication is an invaluable tool. Is there any way
we could add a voice chat room to the web site, or offer a download or link
to a download of a free internet phone program? For instance, I use
Net2phone to talk to relatives in another state.

Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
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