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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Voting Ends Soon
From:	"A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
Date:	Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:06:45 -0400

Salve: I don't believe that it would be proper at this time to release
such information dealing with the election. I will consult with some other
magistrates about issuing such data. IMHO I think it may be released after
the election if so desired.
Vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... Rogator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcos Boehme" <marminius@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Voting Ends Soon

> Salve
>
> Just a question...
> How many plebeians voted so far?
>
> Marcus Arminius Maior
> Aedilis Plebis
>
> --- "A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> escreveu: >
> Salve: I would like to remind all
> > Plebeians that voting ends at 1 P.M., official Nova
> > Roman time, III ante diem, Idus Apriles, (April 11).
> > I urge all eligible voters to exercise their
> > franchise during this election. It only takes a few
> > moments to go to the Cista and vote. The Cista is at
> >
> >
> http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/index.html
> > . Please take a moment to go and vote now.
> > Vale: ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ...
> > Rogator
> >
> >
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Subject:	[novaroma] Regarding Edicta
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:20:16 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

I wish to make a suggestion with regard to the promulgation of
Censoral, Praetoral, Consular edicta which are potential lexes. If I
am talking silliness, please feel free to correct me.

Is there a possibility that regulation could be set to shorten the
length of time between when a potential lex is promulgated and when
it goes to comitia? What I am thinking is, an edictum is promulgated,
so within six months it must go to comitia.

Here is my rationale: I will use the Censorial Name Change Edictum as
an example. It is a year to the month since this legislation was
first introduced. And, we are rehashing the same discussions we had a
year ago regarding its merit and nature. This edictum (why I use it
as an example) is of a sensitive nature to some people and emotions
have been greatly expended on its debate. This scenerio is being
repeated. If it had have gone to comitia sooner, there would be no
need for another heated exchange among citizens, and no need for the
emotional stress of people awaiting its final outcomes. To me, even
if a lex is voted in by the people which I may not totally favour,
atleast I know where I stand with regard to what is actually made law.

Such repeat performances of heated debates do not serve in our best
interests, in my opinion; they do not serve to build a stong sense of
community. They leave us rehashing things which should have been "put
to bed" sooner.

We could apply the same example to any potential lex, it is just that
some legislations are more sensitive than others.

Should the Consuls, in a given year, be too busy to call the Comitia
to order, due to personal reasons or a busy NR agenda, could be
Praetors not call the Comitia to deal with the voting on such matters,
or where applicable, the Tribunes?

Just some thoughts......

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Propraetrix Pro tempore
Canada Orientalis

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Regarding Edicta
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:32:23 -0700

Ave Pompeia Cornelia and citizens of Nova Roma,

I think this is a good suggestion. However, many edicts that are published
are never considered to ever go as far as to become a Lex voted on by the
People. Technically all Edicts have the potential to be presented to the
Comitia. Therefore to decide which ones will actually go to the final step
of being voted by the People might be a long time in coming. I think that
if the issue is going to be rehashed like our Noble Consul has brought this
issue back up for discussion, we should then hopefully see it brought to a
Comitia within a feasible timeframe. I hope our Noble Consul Germanicus
will state when he will summon the Comitia to vote on these and any other
issue.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

on 4/9/01 7:20 PM, trog99@-------- at trog99@-------- wrote:
Salvete Omnes:

I wish to make a suggestion with regard to the promulgation of
Censoral, Praetoral, Consular edicta which are potential lexes. If I
am talking silliness, please feel free to correct me.

Is there a possibility that regulation could be set to shorten the
length of time between when a potential lex is promulgated and when
it goes to comitia? What I am thinking is, an edictum is promulgated,
so within six months it must go to comitia.

Here is my rationale: I will use the Censorial Name Change Edictum as
an example. It is a year to the month since this legislation was
first introduced. And, we are rehashing the same discussions we had a
year ago regarding its merit and nature. This edictum (why I use it
as an example) is of a sensitive nature to some people and emotions
have been greatly expended on its debate. This scenerio is being
repeated. If it had have gone to comitia sooner, there would be no
need for another heated exchange among citizens, and no need for the
emotional stress of people awaiting its final outcomes. To me, even
if a lex is voted in by the people which I may not totally favour,
atleast I know where I stand with regard to what is actually made law.

Such repeat performances of heated debates do not serve in our best
interests, in my opinion; they do not serve to build a stong sense of
community. They leave us rehashing things which should have been "put
to bed" sooner.

We could apply the same example to any potential lex, it is just that
some legislations are more sensitive than others.

Should the Consuls, in a given year, be too busy to call the Comitia
to order, due to personal reasons or a busy NR agenda, could be
Praetors not call the Comitia to deal with the voting on such matters,
or where applicable, the Tribunes?

Just some thoughts......

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Propraetrix Pro tempore
Canada Orientalis

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Subject:	[novaroma] Clients and Patrons
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:40:19 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

I have been reading the recent discussions regarding client/patron
relationships with interest.

Many have discussed the historical existance and popularity of such
relationships, and have listed its positive aspects, that it is a
person's choice to enter such a relationship (I don't dispute that),
that it is a preceptorship of sorts, to learn the fundamentals of
Romanitas and Roman politics. Some have presented equal arguments
against it.

My question is, and I am sure it is a sensitive one, but one I must
nonetheless ask, is: Of all the persons who posted in favour of such
a client/patron relationship, not one person said "For example: I am
so and so's client. He has really helped me out, and I do appreciate
everything he (or she?) has done for me." I know there are clients
out there. If I knew nothing else, I can say this on the basis that
one magistrate posted alluding to the fact that he has clients. Fine.
But, why the clandestine nature of the relationship? If you believe
it to be a time-honoured virtuous institution, then why not simply
feel at ease to say that you are the client of someone else?

Just wondering.........

Pompeia Cornelia

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Subject:	[novaroma] The Festival
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:42:09 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

I am working on a short satire for the upcoming Festival hosted by the
Plebian Aediles and Sodalitas Musarum.

What are other folks working on?

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Festival
From:	"Domna Claudia Auspicata" <comptess@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:51:59 +1200

Salvete Pompeia Cornelia et omnes!

I too am working on a Satire, which seems to get longer and longer... You know I tried to write something else but it just came out Satire :-)
I am wondering whether Satire will be judged under Comedy? I hope this allows for 'black' Comedy as well.

So, what are other folks working on?

Valete omnes!
Domna Claudia Auspicata
----- Original Message -----
From: trog99@--------
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:42 PM
Subject: [novaroma] The Festival

Salvete Omnes:

I am working on a short satire for the upcoming Festival hosted by the
Plebian Aediles and Sodalitas Musarum.

What are other folks working on?

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia


Subject:	[novaroma] Excuse me...
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:03:13 +0200

M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Quiritibus S.P.D.

Lucius Marius Peregrinus scripsit:

Subject: Excuse me...

Salvete omnes...

I shall have a little to say about the 'dual-citizenship' defense of
the present name-change edict in a later post. However, as much as I
hope to keep debate on the edict focussed on its merits (and those of
my alternative proposal, if any), I do not think I can venture much
further into said debate until our senior Censor and I get something
cleared up:

Sulla scripsit:
> I have to disagree with Lucius Sergius. Given the fact that this
> issue has come up more than once, by Lucia Maria.

Censor Sulla:
According to both the wording of the edict and your own (very many)
reassurances to me last spring and summer, the terms of the edict do
not affect any alias, chat handle, or e-mail handle a Citizen cares
to adopt. I have been told repeatedly that, whatever my name might
be on the records, I have the right to be addressed in day-to-day
transactions however I please. It is only in an official context--
such as my Governor's appointment of me to the Legateship of my
Regio--that my officially-recorded Roman name *must* be used.

That being said (over and over)...I object to your referring to me by
the feminine version of my name. It is both patently offensive to me
(as you have been aware for years) and completely unnecessary (as no
'official business' or oath is involved).

I am willing to debate any aspect of the name-change edict with you
or anyone else on its merits--but not if you fail to show myself and
other Citizens the bit of respect we expect, and demand, from our
Magistrates. This goes double if a tax measure is enacted; and the
most highly-placed Magistrates ought to be leading the way for all
the rest.

I appreciate your time and attention to this issue in future.

In fides,

-- L Marius Peregrinus
Legatus, Provinciae America Austroccidentalis
Storyteller, Roleplayer Emeritus, Historical Re-Creationist
and Citizen of Rome

____________________________
.

The person who has the most right to speak about this has spoken - I
shall merely affirm, having followed this whole issue closely as it
has developed through the months, that Censor Sulla really did
promise what Marius says he did. Repeatedly. If there is any deficit
of Veritas in these matters, it is easy to see one place where it is
- but we might also consider the Veritas deficit in the refusal to
admit that social gender is the aspect of sexual identity that is
really important in interpersonal relations on the Internet (and
indeed in everyday life for all except those contemplating sexual
eintercourse).

I also note the aptness of Marius' comments on taxation - all of us
who have been around for a few months and paying attention know that
the Censor's office is one place that has its eye on some of the
prospective tax money from our pockets (quite justifiably so).
Functionaries might indeed be expected to be more respectful of the
dignitas of the citizens whom they are *serving*. The Senior Censor
doubtless would not wish to be addressed as "Lucia Cornelia Sulla
Felix" just because someone else has a strange notion of sexual
attribution which he insists on applying to others against their
will. Our elected servants of the People should indeed show more
courtesy, sensitivity, and tolerance - otherwise, why would they
expect to receive respect from the People in turn?

And certainly I would welcome an alternative the the present Gender
(Name Change) Edictum... but I shall discuss that elsewhere.

Valete!

_________________________________________________
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus, Aedilis Plebeius Novae Romae
Amicus Dignitatis; Scriba Censorius
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
Moderator et Praeceptor Sodalitatis Latinitatis
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The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
Ave nostra Respublica Libera - Nova Roma!
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Festival
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:26:26 -0000

Salve Domna:

Well, between the two of us, we should get a few laughs out of the republic,
no?

Vale,
Pompeia

>From: "Domna Claudia Auspicata" <comptess@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] The Festival
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:51:59 +1200
>
>Salvete Pompeia Cornelia et omnes!
>
>I too am working on a Satire, which seems to get longer and longer... You
>know I tried to write something else but it just came out Satire :-)
>I am wondering whether Satire will be judged under Comedy? I hope this
>allows for 'black' Comedy as well.
>
>So, what are other folks working on?
>
>Valete omnes!
>Domna Claudia Auspicata
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: trog99@--------
> To: novaroma@--------
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:42 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] The Festival
>
>
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I am working on a short satire for the upcoming Festival hosted by the
> Plebian Aediles and Sodalitas Musarum.
>
> What are other folks working on?
>
> Bene valete,
> Pompeia Cornelia
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Excuse me---No excuse
From:	gcassiusnerva@--------
Date:	Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:29:46 EDT

Lucia Maria Peregrina and Apollonius Formosanus,

Please show us the law which requires citizens to address a woman as if she
were a man.

And Draco, if you are reading this, this ludicrous attempt to shove
"politically correct" rubbish down the throats of the rest of us is a perfect
example of social engineering.

Gaius Cassius Nerva

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Festival
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:35:35 -0700

Ave,

I am sure both of your works will be absolutely wonderful, I cant wait to
read them!

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

on 4/9/01 8:26 PM, Pompeia Cornelia at scriba_forum@-------- wrote:

> Salve Domna:
>
> Well, between the two of us, we should get a few laughs out of the republic,
> no?
>
> Vale,
> Pompeia
>
>
>> From: "Domna Claudia Auspicata" <comptess@-------->
>> Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>> To: <novaroma@-------->
>> Subject: Re: [novaroma] The Festival
>> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:51:59 +1200
>>
>> Salvete Pompeia Cornelia et omnes!
>>
>> I too am working on a Satire, which seems to get longer and longer... You
>> know I tried to write something else but it just came out Satire :-)
>> I am wondering whether Satire will be judged under Comedy? I hope this
>> allows for 'black' Comedy as well.
>>
>> So, what are other folks working on?
>>
>> Valete omnes!
>> Domna Claudia Auspicata
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: trog99@--------
>> To: novaroma@--------
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:42 PM
>> Subject: [novaroma] The Festival
>>
>>
>> Salvete Omnes:
>>
>> I am working on a short satire for the upcoming Festival hosted by the
>> Plebian Aediles and Sodalitas Musarum.
>>
>> What are other folks working on?
>>
>> Bene valete,
>> Pompeia Cornelia
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Subject:	[novaroma] Call for Legati
From:	V_Praetoria@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:36:24 -0000

Salvette,
Tonight I am opening the door to all cives interested in the position
of Legatus in the following states:
1)Utah
2)Arizona
3)Texas
4)Oklahoma

All interested individuals need to respond to me. Include in that
correspondance what experience you have, and what you would like to
accomplish.

Pontius Sejanus Marius
Propraetor, America Austroccidentalis

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Old Business I: Name Change Edict
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:49:33 EDT

On 4/9/01 12:49 PM Lucius Mauricius Procopious (procopious@--------)
wrote:

>Salvete Omnes,
>
>Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus wrote:
>OUR GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS IN OUR PANTS.
>
>Respondeo: What about Veritas? Am I to understand those who dislike the
>gender edict don't think they need to be honest with their Micronational
>government. In that case would the Censors please change my address to 1400
>Pennsylvania Ave. :) That's where I want to live, intend to live some day.
>It's not where I really live, but reality doesn't seem to matter if it
>infringes on my personal right to free speech. Wait a minute! Isn't that
>right to free speech something American. Now don't get me wrong, I care for
>my Macronation. But it's not perfect. In my opinion free speech is a red
>herring.
No, Luicius Mauricius, it is not a red herring but a "Straw Man" -- it
was almost artful the way you tried to slip around and change the topic
to one of "veritas" and then "free speech" so that you could ramble on
about that. Of course neither has anything whatsoever to do with the
Edict on Changing Names, but why let that stop you?

> We here in the U.S. and some other countries may be able to say
>what ever we wish. However, our women are in jeopardy of losing the right to
>decide what happens to their own bodies,
And when, pray tell, has anyone anywhere ever had the "right to decide
what happens to their own bodies?" In both of the macronations to which I
belong (the United States and Australia), what I or any other citizen may
do with our bodies is subject to tight government regulation and always
has been. I'm sure it is the same wherever you are - try doing something
officially unapproved with your body and see where you wind up. Such
fantasies you people live by!

>police departments "profile" racial
>minorities and have often violently attacked them,
What, please, is the relevance of this?

>we have (I think) the
>highest rate of incarceration per capita in the industrial world,
What, please, is the relevance of this?

>the world
>laughed at us when our current Presidents brother stole the election for
>him,
What, please, is the relevance of this?

>and you can give your life in protection of your country as long as you
>keep your sexuality to yourself if it is different than the norm.
And this IS really in line with the regime that the Name Changing Edict
is designed to impose upon us.

>In Nova Roma our lawmakers have few tools and little enough time. Therefore,
>they have decided to allow a cives macronation to determine gender. In other
>words they have decided to stay out of it.
No, if they were going to stay out of it, we would never have had this
Edict to regulate how one civis will be allowed to refer to their own
body!

>So legally you get the same
>protection here as in your macronation.
Which is, essentially, none at all unless you are valued by the powerful.

>What is not written down is how you
>will be treated as an individual choosing to live an alternative lifestyle.
>In my Province you may have to register under the gender our macronation
>sees you as being, but know this; you are protected. If your Gens and your
>amici can't protect you, your Propraetor will do so. Let it be known that
>while the name change edictum will be honored in America Boreoccidentalis,
>discrimination of any stripe will be dealt with harshly and immediately by
>my administration as long as it lasts. This isn't an us versus them issue.
>It's merely a question of HOW we choose to support the rights and lifestyle
>choices of our cives.
I really don't think this rambling post contributes much to the
discussion, other than to reveal that for whatever vague reason you may
be hiding, you will not stand up against an shameful act of government.
You'll make a good, obedient little civis for them, Lucius Mauricius. I'm
certain you will be appreciated and appropriately rewarded.

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>
>Next year in the Forum!
>
>Lucius Mauricius Procopious
>Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
>(This is an unofficial post for which I assume full responsibility)

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Excuse me...
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:49:35 EDT

Salve Cornelius

Sorry but I seem to have overlooked the Edict that put you in charge of
determining how we should sign our posts to this list. Could you do me
the kindness of pointing it out to me so that I can reassure myself that
you're not developing grandiose delusions? After all, we already have
quite enough of those here!

Presumeably it is the same Edict that empowered you to decide which
issues are "dead" and which "live." How it slipped past me I can't begin
to imagine.

In the interim, until you can provide me with some reference to the
source of your new-found imperium, I and everyone else here will continue
to refer to ourselves by whatever name we please.

[Where ARE these people coming from???]

L. Sergius Aust. Obst.

On 4/9/01 3:29 PM Nick R. Ramos Jr. (nramos@--------) wrote:

>Salvete Peregrinus!
>
>Normally, I do not get into this type of discussion, but there's a
>slight point of information - This happens to be an official list of
>Nova Roma, and we ALL post here by our legal names within Nova Roma.
>That being said - before diatribes are launched - please note how I
>addressed you.
>
>Cives, with all due respect, the debate on the edicta in this thread
>has not changed one iota from last year. Let us agree to disagree on
>this one, nonne? I, for one, am here for the historical aspects and
>for the rebuilding of the political and religious instituions of the
>Res Publica. I do not care one whit for political correctness or the
>application of modern political and social thought to construct
>utopic
>versions of what we THINK is the correct version of the world.
>
>The gender edicta issue is a dead horse. The resignation issue is a
>live one, and here are my 2 sestercii on the subject:
>
>1. We join Nova Roma VOLUNTARILY - we are not forced by Ius sole or
>Ius sanguini to become citizens. We are a MICRONATION - not a club or
>
>roleplaying game. When we become magistrates, we are COMMITTING
>ourselves to do a job for the Res Publica and our fellow cives.
>
>2. When we RESIGN our citizenship, we do so VOLUNTARILY. What is
>being
>said is clear - I do not want to be a part of this nation any longer.
>If you no longer wish to have a part of us, why are the rest of
>required to greet you with tears in our eyes, and entreaties for your
>forgiveness when you decide to come back? You left - it is YOUR duty
>to mend what you broke, not mine.
>
>We all have lives (or so I hope). We may at times be forced to deal
>with the intimate at the expense of the public lives we lead. As
>others have pointed out, they have not left Nova Roma (and not
>especially after launching insults at those who remain) in a snit. If
>someone decides to leave simply because they do not agree with the
>goals of the rest of us, why is it required of us to give back all
>those things these folks cast away of their own free will? Why should
>we trust them again with magistracies, when they have already proven
>that they will not fulfill their jobs?
>
>Feel free to disagree with me - but do not try to force your point of
>view upon me. We can discuss this issue on or off the list, but if we
>do not come to a consensus, let us agree to disagree like gentlemen
>and continue on with building our Res Publica.
>
>Bene vale,
>
>Marius Cornelius Scipio
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Excuse me...
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:54:00 -0700

Ave,

Senator Lucius Sergius could you please be more careful who you are
addressing for you are responding to my Gens member, Marius Cornelius
Scipio. Not me.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

on 4/9/01 8:49 PM, LSergAust@-------- at LSergAust@-------- wrote:

>
> Salve Cornelius
>
> Sorry but I seem to have overlooked the Edict that put you in charge of
> determining how we should sign our posts to this list. Could you do me
> the kindness of pointing it out to me so that I can reassure myself that
> you're not developing grandiose delusions? After all, we already have
> quite enough of those here!
>
> Presumeably it is the same Edict that empowered you to decide which
> issues are "dead" and which "live." How it slipped past me I can't begin
> to imagine.
>
> In the interim, until you can provide me with some reference to the
> source of your new-found imperium, I and everyone else here will continue
> to refer to ourselves by whatever name we please.
>
> [Where ARE these people coming from???]
>
> L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>
>
> On 4/9/01 3:29 PM Nick R. Ramos Jr. (nramos@--------) wrote:
>
>> Salvete Peregrinus!
>>
>> Normally, I do not get into this type of discussion, but there's a
>> slight point of information - This happens to be an official list of
>> Nova Roma, and we ALL post here by our legal names within Nova Roma.
>> That being said - before diatribes are launched - please note how I
>> addressed you.
>>
>> Cives, with all due respect, the debate on the edicta in this thread
>> has not changed one iota from last year. Let us agree to disagree on
>> this one, nonne? I, for one, am here for the historical aspects and
>> for the rebuilding of the political and religious instituions of the
>> Res Publica. I do not care one whit for political correctness or the
>> application of modern political and social thought to construct
>> utopic
>> versions of what we THINK is the correct version of the world.
>>
>> The gender edicta issue is a dead horse. The resignation issue is a
>> live one, and here are my 2 sestercii on the subject:
>>
>> 1. We join Nova Roma VOLUNTARILY - we are not forced by Ius sole or
>> Ius sanguini to become citizens. We are a MICRONATION - not a club or
>>
>> roleplaying game. When we become magistrates, we are COMMITTING
>> ourselves to do a job for the Res Publica and our fellow cives.
>>
>> 2. When we RESIGN our citizenship, we do so VOLUNTARILY. What is
>> being
>> said is clear - I do not want to be a part of this nation any longer.
>> If you no longer wish to have a part of us, why are the rest of
>> required to greet you with tears in our eyes, and entreaties for your
>> forgiveness when you decide to come back? You left - it is YOUR duty
>> to mend what you broke, not mine.
>>
>> We all have lives (or so I hope). We may at times be forced to deal
>> with the intimate at the expense of the public lives we lead. As
>> others have pointed out, they have not left Nova Roma (and not
>> especially after launching insults at those who remain) in a snit. If
>> someone decides to leave simply because they do not agree with the
>> goals of the rest of us, why is it required of us to give back all
>> those things these folks cast away of their own free will? Why should
>> we trust them again with magistracies, when they have already proven
>> that they will not fulfill their jobs?
>>
>> Feel free to disagree with me - but do not try to force your point of
>> view upon me. We can discuss this issue on or off the list, but if we
>> do not come to a consensus, let us agree to disagree like gentlemen
>> and continue on with building our Res Publica.
>>
>> Bene vale,
>>
>> Marius Cornelius Scipio
>>
>
>
> certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
>
> (You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: The Festival
From:	"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:34:25 -0400

Salvete,

I am trying to get a video sent to me of a sword dance that I performed at
the Raleigh Ren Faire :) I don't know if it will get here in time. I also
am sending in a poem (a lament) .

Valete
Helena Galeria

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 1321
From:	"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:43:09 -0400

Salvete,

<<Nerva scripsit:
Please show us the law which requires citizens to address a woman as if she
were a man.>>

If I am reading the posts correctly, this has nothing to do with the law.
The law expects a person to use their legal name in legal contexts. How
they are addressed otherwise is a matter of personal tastes.

If someone wishes to use a certain name, has been promised that this will
happen, and makes it clear that using another is distasteful, then I feel it
to be very discourteous to ignore this person's wishes.

This list uses nicknames a lot, and there is no legal necessity to use
'registered' names. So I have to ask myself, why would someone deliberately
call someone else by a name that person finds abhorrent, for whatever
reason?

I know what my dear conservative Southern lady of a mother would say.
Rudeness remains rudeness, whatever the gloss.

Valete
Helena Galeria

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Excuse me...
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:48:43 EDT

Salve Lucius Cornelius

With apologies. I just can't help it that there are SO MANY of you! LOL

Also respectfully,

L. Sergius Aust. Obst.

On 4/10/01 10:54 AM L. Cornelius Sulla (alexious@--------) wrote:

>Ave,
>
>Senator Lucius Sergius could you please be more careful who you are
>addressing for you are responding to my Gens member, Marius Cornelius
>Scipio. Not me.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>Censor
>

certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited
From:	Ira Adams <iadams@-------->
Date:	Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:47:05 -0500

ROFL!!!! Good one, mate!

L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
expatriate Queenslander

On 4/9/01 6:05 PM Mark A Bird (mark_a_bird@--------) wrote:

>I live in Australia, and having a Political system and Public Service
>based on the Westminster System, our Giovernment is free of corruption.
>
>Marcus Claudius Sentius
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Political gender ("The Unbearable Lightness of Nova Roma?")
From:	Ira Adams <iadams@-------->
Date:	Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:47:07 -0500

Salvete Omnes!

With respect to the need for political correctness in regard to revealing
one's gender, I feel the need to confess that I discovered, this
Saturday, that according to YahooGroups I was female. Although I changed
that designation with the editor provided, I'm not certain I am in
compliance with our government's laws regarding documentation of my
genitalia. Should I send photos to Yahoo (I think they have a section for
that, don't they?) or to our Censores? Should they be notarized? (The
photos, that is - not the genitalia.)

Or, until this is clarified, should I just begin to sign myself....

Lucius/Lucia Sergius/Sergia Australicus/Australica Obstinatus/Obstinata

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:02:59 +1000

Salve

Ira - where are you now - and by the way - excuse my total ignorance being a
Victorian - what does ROFL stand for ???>>>>

Marcus Sentius Claudius

MSC - had better start the acronym as it seems all the Go !!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Ira Adams [mailto:iadams@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 2:47 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited

ROFL!!!! Good one, mate!

L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
expatriate Queenslander

On 4/9/01 6:05 PM Mark A Bird (mark_a_bird@--------) wrote:

>I live in Australia, and having a Political system and Public Service
>based on the Westminster System, our Giovernment is free of corruption.
>
>Marcus Claudius Sentius
>

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:20:33 EDT

Salve Marcus Sentius

ROFL is an InterNet abbreviation for the descriptive phrase "Rolling On
the Floor Laughing."

I currently reside slightly beyond the frontier of the civilized world,
in rural Mississippi, USA. I will most likely continue to reside here
until I am assured that my godson is well on his way to existing
successfully on his own, at which time I may return to Oz (unless the
natives here knock me off first, since my godson and my family here are
not the politically correct shade of brown).

I try to keep up with Oz politics, etc., online, so I was able to
appreciate the humor in your remark (it *was* meant as humor, wasn't it?).

Vale,

L/L S/S A/A O/O

On 4/10/01 12:02 AM Mark A Bird (mark_a_bird@--------) wrote:

>Salve
>
>Ira - where are you now - and by the way - excuse my total ignorance being a
>Victorian - what does ROFL stand for ???>>>>
>
>Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
>
>MSC - had better start the acronym as it seems all the Go !!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ira Adams [mailto:iadams@--------]
>Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 2:47 Pm
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: RE: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited
>
>
>
>ROFL!!!! Good one, mate!
>
>L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>expatriate Queenslander
>
>On 4/9/01 6:05 PM Mark A Bird (mark_a_bird@--------) wrote:
>
>>I live in Australia, and having a Political system and Public Service
>>based on the Westminster System, our Giovernment is free of corruption.
>>
>>Marcus Claudius Sentius
>>

certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

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Subject:	[novaroma] Politics - what else
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:38:44 +1000

Salve the person with fifteen names (L/L S/S A/A O/O)

I was serious, but I can understand your position being an ex Queenslander -
we have to be happy with our system though - we have easily the most stable
Government in the region - I mean look at the debacle in the US - we had an
email circulating around here that the Serbian President was going to send
in Peacekeeping troops in Florida etc., to keep the peace...

But Gosh - isn't this Nova a real reincarnation of ancient Rome - vicious
Politics to boot - exciting and interesting to be part of it - how long have
you being a citizen L/L S/S A/A O/O ???

Vale,

MSC

-----Original Message-----
From: LSergAust@-------- [mailto:LSergAust@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 3:21 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited

Salve Marcus Sentius

ROFL is an InterNet abbreviation for the descriptive phrase "Rolling On
the Floor Laughing."

I currently reside slightly beyond the frontier of the civilized world,
in rural Mississippi, USA. I will most likely continue to reside here
until I am assured that my godson is well on his way to existing
successfully on his own, at which time I may return to Oz (unless the
natives here knock me off first, since my godson and my family here are
not the politically correct shade of brown).

I try to keep up with Oz politics, etc., online, so I was able to
appreciate the humor in your remark (it *was* meant as humor, wasn't it?).

Vale,

L/L S/S A/A O/O

On 4/10/01 12:02 AM Mark A Bird (mark_a_bird@--------) wrote:

>Salve
>
>Ira - where are you now - and by the way - excuse my total ignorance being
a
>Victorian - what does ROFL stand for ???>>>>
>
>Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
>
>MSC - had better start the acronym as it seems all the Go !!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ira Adams [mailto:iadams@--------]
>Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 2:47 Pm
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: RE: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited
>
>
>
>ROFL!!!! Good one, mate!
>
>L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>expatriate Queenslander
>
>On 4/9/01 6:05 PM Mark A Bird (mark_a_bird@--------) wrote:
>
>>I live in Australia, and having a Political system and Public Service
>>based on the Westminster System, our Giovernment is free of corruption.
>>
>>Marcus Claudius Sentius
>>

certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Political gender ("The Unbearable Lightness of Nova Roma?")
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:37:34 -0700

Salve Luci Sergi;

Yes, it is indeed that unfortunate that
Yahoo is not a nation.

If it were, we could all use the 'edit' function,
select our respective options and create
our own individual profile based on our
own personal preferences. Suddenly...poof
-our very own unencumbered utopias. How much
easier life would then be eh?

Bene vale,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: Ira Adams [mailto:iadams@--------]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:47 PM
To: Nova Roma
Subject: [novaroma] Political gender ("The Unbearable Lightness of Nova Roma?")

Salvete Omnes!

With respect to the need for political correctness in regard to revealing
one's gender, I feel the need to confess that I discovered, this
Saturday, that according to YahooGroups I was female.

<snipped>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Taxes Revisited
From:	gaiuscoriolanus@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:45:30 -0000

You are so lucky Sentius. Draco is not the only one who lives in
country with corupt government. There was pretty much coruptial
scandals in our government in last years and consequently I do not
trust in politicians.

Nova Roma is something else, but I can not get rid of this distrust
imediately.

Vale
Coriolanus

--- In novaroma@--------, "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> I live in Australia, and having a Political system and Public
Service
> based on the Westminster System, our Giovernment is free of
corruption.
>
> Marcus Claudius Sentius
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S. A--------onius Draco [mailto:hendrik.meuleman@--------]
> Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 9:01 Pm
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited
>
>
> Salve Marce Claudi,
>
> ((snipped))
>
> > The quotation "but who is to guard the guards themselves?" is
> offensive
> and
> > shows an attitude of distrust on the whole concept - we must trust
> those
> who
> > have been elected - how else can NOVA operate but through Trust
and
> loyalty
> > ...
>
> Iuvenalis would be honoured to receive the comment above from you.
>
> I don't know in what country you live, but where I live, the
government
> is
> filled with corrupt officials. Belgium is called "Italy of the
North"
> for a
> reason, and by nature I distrust politicans, and °certainly°
financial
> politicians, even those that control the actual financial
magistrates.
> Trust
> and loyalty does not equal naivity.
>
> Vale bene,
> Draco
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Latin Translation
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:45:12 +1000

Can someone tell me the Latin for a name of a person (i.e. we call this
person this name), just supplying the context ...>>>

Son Of White Sock

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: LSergAust@-------- [mailto:LSergAust@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 3:21 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited

Salve Marcus Sentius

ROFL is an InterNet abbreviation for the descriptive phrase "Rolling On
the Floor Laughing."

I currently reside slightly beyond the frontier of the civilized world,
in rural Mississippi, USA. I will most likely continue to reside here
until I am assured that my godson is well on his way to existing
successfully on his own, at which time I may return to Oz (unless the
natives here knock me off first, since my godson and my family here are
not the politically correct shade of brown).

I try to keep up with Oz politics, etc., online, so I was able to
appreciate the humor in your remark (it *was* meant as humor, wasn't it?).

Vale,

L/L S/S A/A O/O

On 4/10/01 12:02 AM Mark A Bird (mark_a_bird@--------) wrote:

>Salve
>
>Ira - where are you now - and by the way - excuse my total ignorance being
a
>Victorian - what does ROFL stand for ???>>>>
>
>Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
>
>MSC - had better start the acronym as it seems all the Go !!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ira Adams [mailto:iadams@--------]
>Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 2:47 Pm
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: RE: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited
>
>
>
>ROFL!!!! Good one, mate!
>
>L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>expatriate Queenslander
>
>On 4/9/01 6:05 PM Mark A Bird (mark_a_bird@--------) wrote:
>
>>I live in Australia, and having a Political system and Public Service
>>based on the Westminster System, our Giovernment is free of corruption.
>>
>>Marcus Claudius Sentius
>>

certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Taxes Revisited
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:49:47 +1000

Salve

Where are you from Coriolanus - ...???

I am sure not all Australian's will agree with my view - but they only need
to travel to see what we have here - our (the Politicians) may be
incompetent - but rarely corrupt - the biggest scandal we have had was over
a miss use of a corporate telephone card by an MP - hardly anything to get
overly excited about...

Vale

MSC

-----Original Message-----
From: gaiuscoriolanus@-------- [mailto:gaiuscoriolanus@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 3:46 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Taxes Revisited

You are so lucky Sentius. Draco is not the only one who lives in
country with corupt government. There was pretty much coruptial
scandals in our government in last years and consequently I do not
trust in politicians.

Nova Roma is something else, but I can not get rid of this distrust
imediately.

Vale
Coriolanus

--- In novaroma@--------, "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> I live in Australia, and having a Political system and Public
Service
> based on the Westminster System, our Giovernment is free of
corruption.
>
> Marcus Claudius Sentius
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S. A--------onius Draco [mailto:hendrik.meuleman@--------]
> Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 9:01 Pm
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited
>
>
> Salve Marce Claudi,
>
> ((snipped))
>
> > The quotation "but who is to guard the guards themselves?" is
> offensive
> and
> > shows an attitude of distrust on the whole concept - we must trust
> those
> who
> > have been elected - how else can NOVA operate but through Trust
and
> loyalty
> > ...
>
> Iuvenalis would be honoured to receive the comment above from you.
>
> I don't know in what country you live, but where I live, the
government
> is
> filled with corrupt officials. Belgium is called "Italy of the
North"
> for a
> reason, and by nature I distrust politicans, and °certainly°
financial
> politicians, even those that control the actual financial
magistrates.
> Trust
> and loyalty does not equal naivity.
>
> Vale bene,
> Draco
>
>
>
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] FW: Politics - what else
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:50:39 +1000


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Taxes Revisited
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:54:37 -0700

Hmmm...depends -how high were the charges
on the alleged phone card :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Bird [mailto:mark_a_bird@--------]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:50 PM
To: 'novaroma@--------'
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Re: Taxes Revisited

Salve

Where are you from Coriolanus - ...???

I am sure not all Australian's will agree with my view - but they only need
to travel to see what we have here - our (the Politicians) may be
incompetent - but rarely corrupt - the biggest scandal we have had was over
a miss use of a corporate telephone card by an MP - hardly anything to get
overly excited about...

Vale

MSC

-----Original Message-----
<snipped>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Festival
From:	"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:58:25 -0700

Salvete Omnes,

I'll be submitting a photo of my "Geni Patris Familiaris" that I made out of
clay.

Who else, what else?

Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
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"Indeed, it is not by the plans of men, but by the hand of God that the
affairs of men are directed; and this men call Fate, not knowing the reason
for what things they see occur; and what seems to be without cause is easy
to call the accident of chance. Still, this is a matter every mortal will
decide for himself according to his taste."
-Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Domna Claudia Auspicata" <comptess@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The Festival

> Salvete Pompeia Cornelia et omnes!
>
> I too am working on a Satire, which seems to get longer and longer... You
know I tried to write something else but it just came out Satire :-)
> I am wondering whether Satire will be judged under Comedy? I hope this
allows for 'black' Comedy as well.
>
> So, what are other folks working on?
>
> Valete omnes!
> Domna Claudia Auspicata
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: trog99@--------
> To: novaroma@--------
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:42 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] The Festival
>
>
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I am working on a short satire for the upcoming Festival hosted by the
> Plebian Aediles and Sodalitas Musarum.
>
> What are other folks working on?
>
> Bene valete,
> Pompeia Cornelia
>
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Provincia Thule website
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:59:35 -0700

Salve Propraetor Fabi et Vibi Minuci
Falco;

The site is looking good and the structure is
coming along quite nicely!

My only small suggestion would be to include
HTML text of the Edicta in addition to the
the PDF. PDF though is really nice to have as
well for downloading purposes so both is even
better!

Great job!

Bene vale,
Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: Christer Edling [mailto:tjalens.h@--------]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:07 PM
To: Kristoffer From
Cc: ThuleNovaRoma@--------; novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Provincia Thule website

Salve Omnes

Here is the Provincia Thule website! It is the beginning, later You will
find links to our four Regiones. I thank the Honorable Consilarius and
Praeco Aranei Thules Titus Octavius Pius for his good, fast and hard work.
Now the Praeco Aranei Thules can link to the Regio websites as soon as the
Legati Regiones Thules have created their own Regio websites. Expect to see
a few more things on the website within a couple of weeks!

Anyone who has ideas about what should be on our website is encouraged to
write to our Praeco Aranei Thules to make their suggetions known and even
better to help him do these good things. ;-)

The Thule website: http://www.acc.umu.se/~kerish/novaroma/index.html

Futher I want to thank the protocivis my amicus Honorable Vibius Minucius
Falco for his help with the map on the Thule website and his dedicated job
for me as his Propraetor.

Vale

Christer Edling
alias
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Taxes Revisited
From:	gaiuscoriolanus@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:05:09 -0000

I'm form Slovak republic. The biggest scandals we have in last two
years was, that minister of defense defrauded several milions and
invested it to his own residence, our state telecomunication
corporation was sold about 300 000 000$ underpay, state still delays
states obligation payout (they had to by payed out a three years
ago), etc.

I guess that's are serious reasons to distrust.

Vale
Coriolanus

--- In novaroma@--------, Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> Salve
>
> Where are you from Coriolanus - ...???
>
> I am sure not all Australian's will agree with my view - but they
only need
> to travel to see what we have here - our (the Politicians) may be
> incompetent - but rarely corrupt - the biggest scandal we have had
was over
> a miss use of a corporate telephone card by an MP - hardly anything
to get
> overly excited about...
>
> Vale
>
> MSC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gaiuscoriolanus@-------- [mailto:gaiuscoriolanus@--------]
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 3:46 Pm
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: Taxes Revisited
>
>
>
> You are so lucky Sentius. Draco is not the only one who lives in
> country with corupt government. There was pretty much coruptial
> scandals in our government in last years and consequently I do not
> trust in politicians.
>
> Nova Roma is something else, but I can not get rid of this distrust
> imediately.
>
>
> Vale
> Coriolanus
>
>
>
>
> --- In novaroma@--------, "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> > I live in Australia, and having a Political system and Public
> Service
> > based on the Westminster System, our Giovernment is free of
> corruption.
> >
> > Marcus Claudius Sentius
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S. A--------onius Draco [mailto:hendrik.meuleman@--------]
> > Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 9:01 Pm
> > To: novaroma@--------
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited
> >
> >
> > Salve Marce Claudi,
> >
> > ((snipped))
> >
> > > The quotation "but who is to guard the guards themselves?" is
> > offensive
> > and
> > > shows an attitude of distrust on the whole concept - we must
trust
> > those
> > who
> > > have been elected - how else can NOVA operate but through Trust
> and
> > loyalty
> > > ...
> >
> > Iuvenalis would be honoured to receive the comment above from you.
> >
> > I don't know in what country you live, but where I live, the
> government
> > is
> > filled with corrupt officials. Belgium is called "Italy of the
> North"
> > for a
> > reason, and by nature I distrust politicans, and °certainly°
> financial
> > politicians, even those that control the actual financial
> magistrates.
> > Trust
> > and loyalty does not equal naivity.
> >
> > Vale bene,
> > Draco
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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Subject:	[novaroma] NR in Germany
From:	gcassiusnerva@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:05:18 EDT

Do any Nova Romans live in the area of Grafenwoehr? I will be leaving for
there this Saturday and will be there for just under three weeks. Please
email me.

Gaius Cassius Nerva

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Taxes Revisited
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:10:23 +1000

My God Coriolanus - the telephone scandal was for about 30K, which the MP
paid back

Yes - I know where you are coming from on this one - my naivety I guess...

Vale

MSC

-----Original Message-----
From: gaiuscoriolanus@-------- [mailto:gaiuscoriolanus@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 4:05 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Taxes Revisited

I'm form Slovak republic. The biggest scandals we have in last two
years was, that minister of defense defrauded several milions and
invested it to his own residence, our state telecomunication
corporation was sold about 300 000 000$ underpay, state still delays
states obligation payout (they had to by payed out a three years
ago), etc.

I guess that's are serious reasons to distrust.

Vale
Coriolanus

--- In novaroma@--------, Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> Salve
>
> Where are you from Coriolanus - ...???
>
> I am sure not all Australian's will agree with my view - but they
only need
> to travel to see what we have here - our (the Politicians) may be
> incompetent - but rarely corrupt - the biggest scandal we have had
was over
> a miss use of a corporate telephone card by an MP - hardly anything
to get
> overly excited about...
>
> Vale
>
> MSC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gaiuscoriolanus@-------- [mailto:gaiuscoriolanus@--------]
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 3:46 Pm
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: Taxes Revisited
>
>
>
> You are so lucky Sentius. Draco is not the only one who lives in
> country with corupt government. There was pretty much coruptial
> scandals in our government in last years and consequently I do not
> trust in politicians.
>
> Nova Roma is something else, but I can not get rid of this distrust
> imediately.
>
>
> Vale
> Coriolanus
>
>
>
>
> --- In novaroma@--------, "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> > I live in Australia, and having a Political system and Public
> Service
> > based on the Westminster System, our Giovernment is free of
> corruption.
> >
> > Marcus Claudius Sentius
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S. A--------onius Draco [mailto:hendrik.meuleman@--------]
> > Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 9:01 Pm
> > To: novaroma@--------
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] Taxes Revisited
> >
> >
> > Salve Marce Claudi,
> >
> > ((snipped))
> >
> > > The quotation "but who is to guard the guards themselves?" is
> > offensive
> > and
> > > shows an attitude of distrust on the whole concept - we must
trust
> > those
> > who
> > > have been elected - how else can NOVA operate but through Trust
> and
> > loyalty
> > > ...
> >
> > Iuvenalis would be honoured to receive the comment above from you.
> >
> > I don't know in what country you live, but where I live, the
> government
> > is
> > filled with corrupt officials. Belgium is called "Italy of the
> North"
> > for a
> > reason, and by nature I distrust politicans, and °certainly°
> financial
> > politicians, even those that control the actual financial
> magistrates.
> > Trust
> > and loyalty does not equal naivity.
> >
> > Vale bene,
> > Draco
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Old Business I: Name Change Edict
From:	"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:23:39 -0700

Salvete Omnes,

It seems I have irritated some of you with my comments. I can only hope that
to have inspired such anger I was misunderstood in what I was trying to say.
A friend here in Nova Roma was upset by what I said as were a few of you
who's friendship may be in question. I must have managed to step on my
tongue. When I try to be clear I often make too many examples, and present
lengthy arguments that may be hard to follow. My ability to "ramble " was
pointed out most concisely by Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus. You may
be correct about my rambling. Sometimes in the interest of clarity too many
words can muddy the waters more than too few. I am most grateful for the
encouragement you offered none the less:

You'll make a good, obedient little civis for them, Lucius Mauricius. I'm
> certain you will be appreciated and appropriately rewarded.

I apologize for my part in fanning the flames of debate. I'll listen to the
good counsel of Marcus and Lucius Cornelius and let this issue be.

Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
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"Indeed, it is not by the plans of men, but by the hand of God that the
affairs of men are directed; and this men call Fate, not knowing the reason
for what things they see occur; and what seems to be without cause is easy
to call the accident of chance. Still, this is a matter every mortal will
decide for himself according to his taste."
-Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s]
----- Original Message -----
From: <LSergAust@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Old Business I: Name Change Edict

>
> On 4/9/01 12:49 PM Lucius Mauricius Procopious (procopious@--------)
> wrote:
>
> >Salvete Omnes,
> >
> >Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus wrote:
> >OUR GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS IN OUR PANTS.
> >
> >Respondeo: What about Veritas? Am I to understand those who dislike the
> >gender edict don't think they need to be honest with their Micronational
> >government. In that case would the Censors please change my address to
1400
> >Pennsylvania Ave. :) That's where I want to live, intend to live some
day.
> >It's not where I really live, but reality doesn't seem