Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): Idus Martius (March 15)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:22:49 -0000

Salvete omnes

Today is a dies nefastus publicus (NP), a day for special religious
observance when legal business cannot take place.

The Idus of every month are sacred to Iuppiter. An white ewe is
sacrificed to Iuppiter by the Flamen Dialis.

This day belongs to Anna Perenna. Anna Perena is the deified
image of an old woman who either represents the flowing river (amne
perenne) as the indefinitely renewed years, or who had baked bread to feed
Roman soldiers near Bovillae. This is a picnic day, and the Romans travel
out and set up tents and camps around the first milestone of the Via
Flamina, near the Tiber.

This is also the day of the procession of the canophori (reed-bearers) of
the cult of Magna Mater. They come from the border of the Almo and enter
Rome to go to Her temple on the Palatine Hill. From today until the Dies
Sanguinis (9 days later), the woshipers of Magna Mater abstain from some
types of food.

The month of March belongs to Mars, who personifies
the protection of the state and the productivity of the community.

Dii vos ament
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

Subject:	[novaroma] One Year!
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:48:51 -0600

15 Mar 2001

Salve All

This day is a very important one for me. On this date last year I was accepted as a Citizen of Nova Roma!.... The world has turned over many times since then, but my love for Roma has only increased. I hope that I can continue to contribute to our micro-nation at least as much in the future as I have in the past. When I found out I was a Citizen I was holding my 3 week old daughter, the one that we where told would never be born, and now she is as strong and healthy as my feeling for Roma!.... So... I hope this day leaves all of us with some small special memory that everyone can keep with themselves forever.

P.S.
I think, but I am not sure, this day in history holds some other less important event! ;-)

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

Queastor
Nova Roma
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Subject:	[novaroma] PC Failure
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:14:32 -0600

15 Mar 2001

Salve All

I have just experienced some major PC Problems, and have lost much information! I am now attempting to restore what I have apparently lost! I may be sending some requests for information so please bear with me. Thank you.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

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Nova Roma
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Subject:	[novaroma] Ides of March
From:	ksterne@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:03:44 -0000

Salvete,

44 BCE. A good or bad day for Rome?

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Ides of March
From:	"David Sanchez" <davius_sanctex@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:39:11 +0100

> 44 BCE. A good or bad day for Rome?

Pessimus Caesari :-), nonne?


Salutem plurimam dicit,
Idus Martii anni MMDCCLIV a.u.c.

Claudius Salix Davianus

Subject:	[novaroma] Thank you
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:30:29 -0800 (PST)

I gratefully thank everyone for helping me out with
the consul lists!

Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Ides of March
From:	nramos@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:22:42 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "David Sanchez" <davius_sanctex@t...> wrote:
>
>
>
> > 44 BCE. A good or bad day for Rome?
>
> Pessimus Caesari :-), nonne?
>
>
> Salutem plurimam dicit,
> Idus Martii anni MMDCCLIV a.u.c.
>
> Claudius Salix Davianus

Verite... But the worst was that those who
made the augury true for Gaius Ivliuvs Caesar
ended up precipitating the death of all that they
were defending. In my most humble opinion,
perhaps Divus Caesar was far less dangerous
than those that followed him. If he had lived,
there is a chance the Republic may have been
strengthened rather than eclipsed.

Optime vale, et Iuppiter nos protegas

Marius Cornelius Scipio

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] PC Failure
From:	"Marcos Boehme" <m_arminius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:26:41 -0300

--

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:14:32
Quintus Sertorius wrote:
>15 Mar 2001
>
>Salve All
>
>I have just experienced some major PC Problems, and have lost much information! I am now attempting to restore what I have apparently lost! I may be sending some requests for information so please bear with me. Thank you.
>
>Vale
>
>Quintus Sertorius
>
>Queastor
>Nova Roma
>Propraetor
>Canada Occidentalis
>
>Join the Main List for Nova Roma
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>
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>
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>
>
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>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Resignation
From:	Mike Macnair <MikeMacnair@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:30:22 -0500

Salvete!

By this letter I resign my citizenship in Nova Roma and by consequence my
membership of its Senate and my office as Rogator.

I have been considering my position since the resignation of Ericius and
have come to the conclusion that the differences which clearly exist among
us about the nature, purposes and political forms of Nova Roma are so great
as to prevent any serious effective collaboration. As soon as we leave one
controversy we stumble into another.

Further, I have no interest in a Role-Playing Game of the snake-pit
politics of the later Republic (which NR has too often seemed like) and I
cannot conscientiously associate myself with the promotion
(a) of NR as a formally oligarchic "optimate" interpretion of the
republican constitution, as an alternative to democracy - which, without an
effective tribunician veto, it increasingly descends into - or
(b) of romanitas as a sort of system of Victorian Values in the
field of gender, family and general hierarchy, which is a partial
falsification of ancient history as well as being unacceptable in the
twenty-eighth century since the foundation of the City; or
(c) of volkisch fantasies of "ethnic duty" to the gods like those
offered by Lobo Rubro in the recent past and episodically, further back, by
others.

Valete,

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
jurisconsultus
former Praetor
former Rogator
former Senator
former citizen of Nova Roma from autumn MMDCCLI to March MMDCCLIV AUC

Subject:	[novaroma] Oops
From:	"Marcos Boehme" <m_arminius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:33:36 -0300

Salvete, Quirites

Excuse-me, i touched some button in excess.

Marcus Arminius Maior


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Subject:	[novaroma] Renouncements? Oh no.
From:	"Marcos Boehme" <m_arminius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:56:55 -0300

Salvete Quirites

It with surprise that i witness two declarations of renouncement.
It seems that this month of march is a bad one to Nova Roma. Two very respected senatores renounced, to their positions and citizenship. It is painful to me, and perhaps not only to me. Caius Ericius and Marcus Mucius Scaevola are reasonable, very intelligent people and are leaving us. Please reconsider, your opinions were very important to me, i learned a lot with you.


Marcus Arminius Maior
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Oops
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:45:52 -0600

thats the mistake i made to start my pc's crash!!!

QS

From: "Marcos Boehme" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:33 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Oops
> Salvete, Quirites
>
> Excuse-me, i touched some button in excess.
>
> Marcus Arminius Maior
>
>

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] One Year!
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:17:39 -0800

Salvete Quinte Sertori et Quiritibus;

Gratias multas for an excellent year
of service noble Quintus! Our budding Respublica
would do well to remember the many and honored
contributions by cives such as yourself as opposed
to wallowing in the negatives of a few other cives
who have chosen to forsake us of late.

May the great gods of Rome continue to bless you,
your family and all your future endeavors Quintus.

Bona Fortuna!

Bene Vale,
-Oppius

-----Original Message-----
From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 6:49 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] One Year!


15 Mar 2001

Salve All

This day is a very important one for me. On this date last year I was
accepted as a Citizen of Nova Roma!.... The world has turned over many
times since then, but my love for Roma has only increased. I hope that I can
continue to contribute to our micro-nation at least as much in the future as
I have in the past. When I found out I was a Citizen I was holding my 3 week
old daughter, the one that we where told would never be born, and now she is
as strong and healthy as my feeling for Roma!.... So... I hope this day
leaves all of us with some small special memory that everyone can keep with
themselves forever.

P.S.
I think, but I am not sure, this day in history holds some other less
important event! ;-)

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

Queastor
Nova Roma
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] One Year!
From:	SlymnestraRose@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:26:29 EST

Ave,

My congrats Quintus! May another year of prosperity happen for you.... As for
this day, it's kinda important to me ;o)...I should post the play on the
Muses, whatcha think?


Bennachatai atque Vale,
Aeternia Iulia Caesaria


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Ides of March
From:	SlymnestraRose@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:28:02 EST

Ave,


Hmmm, a great leader died on this day....May Gaius Iulius Caesar be
remembered for what he contributed to Rome.....


Vale,
Aeternia


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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] One Year!
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:37:35 -0800

Salve Aeternia -yes, please post the play there!

Bene vale,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: SlymnestraRose@-------- [mailto:SlymnestraRose@--------]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:26 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] One Year!


Ave,

My congrats Quintus! May another year of prosperity happen for you.... As
for
this day, it's kinda important to me ;o)...I should post the play on the
Muses, whatcha think?


Bennachatai atque Vale,
Aeternia Iulia Caesaria


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Resignation
From:	Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:02:09 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

This is sad news indeed. I hope you will reconsider.
There are days when I have felt like leaving NovaRoma,
but they are behind me now.


--- Mike Macnair <MikeMacnair@--------> wrote:
> Further, I have no interest in a Role-Playing Game
> of the snake-pit
> politics of the later Republic (which NR has too
> often seemed like) and I
> cannot conscientiously associate myself with the
> promotion
> (a) of NR as a formally oligarchic
> "optimate" interpretion of the
> republican constitution, as an alternative to
> democracy - which, without an
> effective tribunician veto, it increasingly descends
> into - or
> (b) of romanitas as a sort of system of
> Victorian Values in the
> field of gender, family and general hierarchy, which
> is a partial
> falsification of ancient history as well as being
> unacceptable in the
> twenty-eighth century since the foundation of the
> City; or
> (c) of volkisch fantasies of "ethnic duty"
> to the gods like those
> offered by Lobo Rubro in the recent past and
> episodically, further back, by
> others.

I am here for none of those things. I am here to
learn about Ancient Rome and to share the glory of the
"New Rome".

May I recommend a 30 day vacation to rethink your
decision? I hope you will at least consider the idea.

Lucius Cornelius Dalmaticus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Valedictory
From:	"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:19:28 -0000

Salutem

I, Nicolaus Moravius Vado, paterfamilias of the gens Moravia in Nova Roma, governor of the province of Britannia in Nova Roma, senator in Nova Roma and Flamen Floralis in Nova Roma, hereby tender my resignation from all the aforementioned offices, honours and dignities in Nova Roma, and of my citizenship of the respublica of Nova Roma, with immediate effect.

I name as my successor the dutiful and faithful Cornelius Moravius Laurentibus as the paterfamilias of gens Moravia in Nova Roma. It is my hope and trust that he will continue its best traditions here as long as he feels able.

I did not come to Nova Roma to spend my days and nights arguing with those whose beliefs and values are inimical to mine, but to share Romanitas with kindred spirits. I have spent far too much time doing the former, at the expense of the latter. If I remain here any longer, I see that this will only become more of a problem for me, because I will not ignore what is hateful to me, nor allow my silence to be taken as tacit agreement with those whose manipulation of this society has made it something I no longer wish to be associated with.

Aletheia Moravia leaves with me, and joins me in saying:

Salvete valeteque.

On the Ides of March, in the year MMDCCLIV A.U.C.


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] One Year!
From:	SlymnestraRose@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:33:47 EST

Salve Oppius,


I'm having a bit of difficulty with the PC today, perhaps someone else would
like to?



Vale,
Aeternia


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Valedictory
From:	SlymnestraRose@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:35:04 EST

Salve,


This is very sad news, Vado, I wish you and Aletheia only the best....Pretty
much all I can say.


Bennachatai atque Vale Bene,
Aeternia


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Subject:	[novaroma] exeo
From:	claudiusnigellus@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:40:47 -0500

Salvete

instar conjurati antiqui qui agunt ut libertatem salubritatemque respublcae refecti sint viginta saecula abhinc, nunc propositum est nobis libertates natives reposcere. ergo hodie civitatem meam nova romae et condicionem legati depono.

Valete

Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus

Id. Mar., MMDCCLIV a.u.c.

--
Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: exeo
From:	ksterne@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:50:35 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, claudiusnigellus@n... wrote:
> Salvete
>
> instar conjurati antiqui qui agunt ut libertatem salubritatemque
respublcae refecti sint viginta saecula abhinc, nunc propositum est
nobis libertates natives reposcere. ergo hodie civitatem meam nova
romae et condicionem legati depono.
>
> Valete
>
> Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus
>
> Id. Mar., MMDCCLIV a.u.c.
>
> --
> Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus
>
> __________________________________________________________________
Salve,

Ummm...what? I'm not up to speed with Latin yet.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius laenas

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] One Year!
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:51:36 -0800

Um...like to what mi amica?
-----Original Message-----
From: SlymnestraRose@-------- [mailto:SlymnestraRose@--------]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:34 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] One Year!


Salve Oppius,


I'm having a bit of difficulty with the PC today, perhaps someone else would
like to?



Vale,
Aeternia


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] One Year!
From:	SlymnestraRose@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:55:24 EST

Posting it on the Muses List I meant....Should've clarified that.... My
apologies..


Aeternia


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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: exeo
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:02:12 -0500

Salve,

>>Ummm...what? I'm not up to speed with Latin yet.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius laenas>>

The sender has been reminded of List policy concerning English translations
and assistance has been offered. In the meantime, if anyone would like to
translate this post into English (there are, currently, no volunteer Latin
translators who have stepped forward), please contact me *privately* at
justicecmo@-------- I would just as soon avoid multiple
translations/reposts if we can avoid it. Thanks!


Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonis




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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: exeo
From:	"David Sanchez" <davius_sanctex@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:10:16 +0100

>... ergo hodie civitatem meam nova
> romae et condicionem legati depono.
> Ummm...what? I'm not up to speed with Latin yet.

Translation:

... therefore today I leave my citizenship in NR and my
legate charge.

Claudius Salix Davianus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: exeo
From:	darkelf@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:18:52 -0000

Salve Gaius Popillius:

Short answer: Seems to be a resignation to me. 'Exeo' - I withdraw.

Cinnabari

> > Salvete
> >
> > instar conjurati antiqui qui agunt ut libertatem salubritatemque
> respublcae refecti sint viginta saecula abhinc, nunc propositum est
> nobis libertates natives reposcere. ergo hodie civitatem meam nova
> romae et condicionem legati depono.
> >
> > Valete
> >
> > Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus
> >
> > Id. Mar., MMDCCLIV a.u.c.
> >
> > --
> > Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus
> >
> > __________________________________________________________________
> Salve,
>
> Ummm...what? I'm not up to speed with Latin yet.
>
> Vale,
> Gaius Popillius laenas

Subject:	[novaroma] LEAVING
From:	BICURRATUS@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:35:29 EST

EX DOMO PUBLII CLAUDII LUCENTII SEVERI BICURRATI

I, Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus Bicurratus, hereby leave Nova Roma.

Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus Bicurratus


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Subject:	[novaroma] Finances
From:	BICURRATUS@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:37:37 EST

EX DOMO PRAEFECTORIS AERARII BRITANNIAE

Would the Chief Treasurer of Nova Roma please email me on how to forward a
payment to the treasury.

Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus Bicurratus
Praefector Aerarii Britanniae


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] LEAVING
From:	SlymnestraRose@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:42:39 EST

Salve,

Publius!! You're leaving too!!!! Okay that's it, what's going on? I've never
seen so many resignations in one day. And I know I am not the only one who is
wondering.....Best wishes sent Publius, may you have great endeavours in the
future.


Bene Vale,
Aeternia


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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Ides of March
From:	Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:43:06 -0800 (PST)

Salvete omnes,

W/O Cai. Iulius Caesar, we would not be here now to
discuss the Imperator, but that also requires his
death, n'st-ce pas?

Ias. Serenvs Carolvs
--- David Sanchez <davius_sanctex@--------> wrote:
>
>
>
> > 44 BCE. A good or bad day for Rome?
>
> Pessimus Caesari :-), nonne?
>
>
> Salutem plurimam dicit,
> Idus Martii anni MMDCCLIV a.u.c.
>
> Claudius Salix Davianus
>
>


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Subject:	[novaroma] Resignations
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:48:19 -0500 (EST)

Salvete, Citizen of Nova Roma, and Conscript Fathers;

I am saddened and very discouraged at the resignation of two good and
honorable men from the ranks of Nova Roma. While they were not
gentlemen with whom I have always agreed, they were gentlemen of the
first caliber with whom I have always been proud to serve.

I did not know Senator Magister well in the personal sense, but his
ideas, decisions, and comments have always been extremely valuable to me
in my decision process both as a past Consul and as a Senator.

Senator Vado on the other hand served for a year as my Consular Advisor,
and my Chaplain. I have the greatest respect for him, and his loss is a
great loss both as a personal friend, and as a valued colleague.

I wish the both of you all the best in your future endeavors, and for
what they are worth, you have my extreme regrets in regard to this
decision to leave Nova Roma.

Valete, Very Respectfully and With Great Sorrow and a Regretful Heart;

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	[novaroma] Mass Resignations??
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:58:55 -0500

Salvete,

OK - obviously I'm missing something here. What gives with the mass
resignations? Admittedly I've only been a citizen for six months, and I may
not be as 'dialed in' to the goings-on in Nova Roma as some, but the tenor
of these resignations seems to imply there is something gravely amiss in
Nova Roma, and I'm just not seeing it. Is this a periodic occurrence?

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Pilus Prior, Secunda Cohors
Legio VI Victrix

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: LEAVING
From:	nramos@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:56:16 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, BICURRATUS@a... wrote:
> EX DOMO PUBLII CLAUDII LUCENTII SEVERI BICURRATI
>
> I, Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus Bicurratus, hereby leave Nova
Roma.
>
> Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus Bicurratus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve quirites!

Today we have lost Senatores, A Legatus, a Praefectum Aerarii, and
above all, people who cared enough about Nova Roma to participate in
it. We may not have agreed on certain subjects, but I believe that
despite that no one can dispute that these cives brought thoughts and
knowledge to our Res Publica that were of value. I will sorely miss
Nicolaus Moravius Vado, for his wit and depth of knowledge, for his
diligence in the affairs of Britannia, and for his expressing his
views honestly and with conviction. Bicurratus was one of the first
cives to greet me in the Taverna, and he was a very gracious man
at it; as for Scaevola and Ericius, their knowledge of Roma Antiqva
has inspired me to seek to learn more.

Our Res Publica has been sorely diminished on what has truly resulted
a dies nefasti publici.

Marius Cornelius Scipio
Curule Aedile
Civis NovaRomani

Subject:	[novaroma] Resignation speech of Marcus Marcius Rex
From:	RexMarcius@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:58:42 EST

Salvete patres et matres conscripti Senatus Novae Romae!
Salvete cives Novae Romae!
Salvete members of Gens Marcia!

"Nec illi arduum ac difficile est inter arma contraria, inter destrictos
conminus mucrones placidum iter reperire" (Valerius Maximus)

Today is a day of grave meaning for Rome: The Ides of March have arrived...

Already several great men and women have chosen to take the "placidum iter"
mentioned above and leave Nova Roma. Why they have elected to do so may not
be clear for many but they certainly have reasons for it, you can take my
word for it.

I could also write about a lot of things and persons I came to dislike about
Nova Roma in the last few months. But after Senator Aelius's departure and
after the way my daughter Livia was treated by the Senate I knew that before
long not enough would be left here that I really liked and that would make it
worthwhile to stay.

I, therefore, also made a decision to leave this Community and to share my
Romanitas only with those people I could really associate myself with. I mean
I could live with an Octavius, a Cassius and certainly with a Minucius Audens
but I can only leave with a Germanicus, a Fabulus Maximus and a Pornelius
Sulla.

So by this notice I formally resign and depose myself

from the citizenship of Nova Roma

from the Senatorial seat I possess

from the Praetorian scribe position

and from my paterfamilias power of gens Marcia which is to go to my son
Coriolanus as my last will

I also waive my reconsideration period of nine days, so that this becomes
effective immediately.

so happened on the ides of March 2754 AUC

Marcus Heinz=
Marcus Marcius Rex

Subject:	[novaroma] RESIGNATION
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:36:31 -0700

Salvete, Quirities:

By this letter I resign my citizenship in Nova Roma and by
consequence my membership in the Sodalitas Musarum and my
position as Musa Apollo.

In light of several recent events, I have been forced to
conclude that my own interests in Nova Roma are in
irreconcilable conflict with the will of the founders and
preeminent leaders of Nova Roma, and I will never again be
able to be in a position where I could work collaboratively
with certain people central to Nova Roma government.

Despite my repeated attempts to serve the res publica and do
good works for her, I find myself now in a position of
having the greater good that I've accomplished swept away
in a sham interpretation of an inadequate vote by the
Senate.

Despite the assurances of at least one Senator and Consul
that my prorogation would be judged strictly on the basis of
my job performance to date -- AND EVEN THAT SAID PERFORMANCE
WAS SATISFACTORY -- I was consistently judged on the basis
of anything but job performance. My work for you was
rendered nil over a set of petty alleged incident which I
was expected to refute blindly, without knowledge of my
accusors, and out of all semblance of context. I note that
others in Nova Roma have risen to positions far higher than
me after having committed far worse sins than my detractors
have tried to pin on me.

*****
Cives, I was removed from the governorship for referring a
cive to another organization that could provide them
immediate community. I was also removed for failing to
contact a cive who said he was disgruntled with Nova Roma
and make him feel better about it.
*****

I don't need any confirmation to know I was doing the job of
governor better than anyone else in Nova Roma ever has, with
the possible exception of Nicholas Moravius Vado. Shame on
the Senators of Roma who judged me lacking.

For those of the Senate who have interminably offered me
your "lessons" on leadership and management, I return your
words back to you with the contempt they deserve, for I have
no use for your brand of thinking. Several of you have
shown yourselves to me to have true contempt for other
people in the methods you advocated.

I fear that I have come dangerously close to mirroring the
actions of people whom I have come to have little regard for
in terms of their leadership style. For this reason alone,
I must leave lest my imperiled soul become permanently
corrupted by the likes of the people whom I have come to
regard in all forms as sacer and deserving only of contempt:
namely,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Marcus Cassius Julianus.

Other members of the Senate and I may have had
disagreements, but my objections are primarily with these
three men. I leave them to answer for themselves. I doubt
you'll get the truth from them.

I join my paterfamilias, Marcius Marcius Rex, and our other
friends into obscurity.

I renounce my right to the 9 day waiting period, said
resignation to be effectively immediately.


Livia Marcia Aurelia, former citizen of Nova Roma

former Propraetrix America Austroccidentalis
former Rogator
former Legata Engineering et Cartography, Sodalitas
Militarium
former Editor, Sodalitas Militarium newsletter
former Musa Apollo, Sodalitas Musarum

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Ides of March
From:	"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:27:30 -0500

Salvete,

I have to agree with Scipio -

<<<But the worst was that those who
made the augury true for Gaius Ivliuvs Caesar
ended up precipitating the death of all that they
were defending. In my most humble opinion,
perhaps Divus Caesar was far less dangerous
than those that followed him. If he had lived,
there is a chance the Republic may have been
strengthened rather than eclipsed.>>>

Violent actions, carried out clandestinely, don't have a very good
historical track record :(

Helena Galeria

Subject:	[novaroma] email problems
From:	octavianuslucius@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:23:34 -0000

Salvete omnes.

Currently I am having technical problems with my email. So please, If
by chance, anyone wish to send me an email, do it to the following
alternative one : danielovi@--------
Thank you very much
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provinciae Argentinae

Subject:	[novaroma] Gone for a Week
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:25:33 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Citizens of Nova Roma;

For those citizens interested, I will be gone for a week to Newport , RI
and will be engaged in CivilWar Engieering Reenactment exercises.
Anyone who may be in the area, and want to visit, I will be staying at
the:
------------------------------------------------------------
Newport Bay Club
337 Americas Cup Ave @Thames Street
Newport, R.I.

Telephone:-1 (401) 849-8600

Unit No. 209

Directions to apartment:

>From North or South: take I95 to Rte 138 East. Cross the Toll Bridge to
Downtown Newport;

>From the Boston area take Rte 24 to 114 South. Proced to downtown
Newport;

Take the Newport Downtown Exit off the Newport Bridge, tuern right at
the end of the ramp. Drive through a cemetary. At the second stoplight
make another right:

>From Downtown Newport go to the corner of Americas Cup Ave and Thames
St. (sixth traffic light). Turn right at Perry Mill Wharf. Resort
Lobby is on the right. (Parking is very limited, please plan to park at
one of the downtown parkng areas.)
---------------------------------------------------------------
Valete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Subject:	[novaroma] Keep the recent resignations in prospective!
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:15:32 -0600

15 Mar 2001

Salve All

It is unfortunate that a few of our better known and respected citizens have not found what they have been looking for in Nova Roma. But let us not loss sight of the fact that our Micro-nation is very healthy and will continue to grow beyond all of our wildest dreams! Do not loss heart, remember Roma was not built in one day or nor was it always a pleasant undertaking. I believe that those currently resigning have given up more then they themselves know.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

Queastor
Nova Roma
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis

Join the Main List for Nova Roma
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Join the egroup for Canada Occidentalis
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] RESIGNATION
From:	SlymnestraRose@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:36:18 EST

Salvete,


LIVIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is one very sad day,over the months you
have became one of my dearest friends here....I'm telling you right now this
is no goodbye.....Speaking for myself only, I shall keep daily contact with
you....Do you really think you could get rid of me that easily ;-)... I'm
also asking you that you reconsider this decision.. I understand you have
waivered the nine day period, and it is your choice... Livia you will be
missed by many and me especially... Just remember you are a good person.


Vale mea amica,
Tink otherwise known as
Aeternia




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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Ides of March
From:	LostLegion17@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:13:54 -0500

novaroma@-------- wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> 44 BCE. A good or bad day for Rome?
>
> Valete,
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
>
Salve,a very bad day.I personally belive Caeser would have accomplished even greater things, had he been allowed a longer life. Ave,Tiberius Iucundius
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] RESIGNATION
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:45:22 -0500

Salve,

>>Shame on the Senators of Roma who judged me lacking.>>

No, Livia...shame on the Senators........especially your much vaunted Vado
and your OWN paterfamilias.... who did not even bother to vote. Every
Senator has a right to their opinion and their vote. Had more than 12 of 22
bothered to speak at all, let alone in your behalf, you probably would have
been pro-rouged.

Vale,

Priscilla Vedia Serena





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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Mass Resignations??
From:	Mia <tuozine@-------->
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:24:32 -0500

Adrian Gunn wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> OK - obviously I'm missing something here. What gives with the mass
> resignations? Admittedly I've only been a citizen for six months, and
> I may
> not be as 'dialed in' to the goings-on in Nova Roma as some, but the
> tenor
> of these resignations seems to imply there is something gravely amiss
> in
> Nova Roma, and I'm just not seeing it. Is this a periodic occurrence?
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus
> Pilus Prior, Secunda Cohors
> Legio VI Victrix
>

I am also shocked by this wave of resignations. This has me baffled and
disheartened, since I have recently been interested in spending some
time developing my Gens and finding my place in Nova Roma. Now I am
really confused and definitely feeling like I must have missed
something.

Ursula Numeria Fortunata
--

Mia
ICQ#93586029

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Ides of March
From:	nramos@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:56:56 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Teleri ferch N--------n" <rckovak@e...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I have to agree with Scipio -
>
> <<<But the worst was that those who
> made the augury true for Gaius Ivliuvs Caesar
> ended up precipitating the death of all that they
> were defending. In my most humble opinion,
> perhaps Divus Caesar was far less dangerous
> than those that followed him. If he had lived,
> there is a chance the Republic may have been
> strengthened rather than eclipsed.>>>
>
> Violent actions, carried out clandestinely, don't have a very good
> historical track record :(
>
> Helena Galeria

Salvete,

Even worse, violent actions, complete with accusations and
recriminations, have gone out today, in public. These are just as
bad,
if not worse. I came here expecting to find individuals interested in
Roma. I find many with some interest, and others with nothing but a
"my way or the highway" attitude. I have asked the Praetors to take a
look at the case of Senator Caius Aelius Ericius, and found out that
he will not declare against those who threatened him. In the case of
Livia Marcia, several of us tried unsuccessfully to reconciliate her
with our paterfamilias, and heard also unsubstantiated accusations.
To
this day, she has been unwilling to bring before the Praetores a
clear
account of this problem. With Senator Rex, although I hold nothing
but
the utmost respect for him, I believe that the personal attack that
he
launched in his resignation (and for that matter, all the personal
attacks to which we have been sad witnesses over the last months) is
below his Dignitas.

I am deeply saddened by this turn of events. This political mudfest
does nothing but tarnish our accomplishments, and really does no one
any good. Livia, I respect you for your accomplishments, and although
I cannot break the seal of confidence of our Gens, suffice it to say
I
and others tried very hard to bring concordia between you and Sulla.
You constantly rebuffed us, and since then you have continually
attacked our Paterfamilias (and by extension our Gens). The case of
your prorogation was infinitely complicated by a misinterpretation of
a simple question, and yet you choose to interpret this in the worst
possible light. I personally ask you, from my heart, as a former
frater of yours, do not leave. You are very valuable to Nova Roma;
this situation can be resolved with honest dialogue and the cessation
of these intrigues.

This plea I extend to all of those who left today; if I remember
correctly, our ancestors were a rather thick-skinned and resilient
bunch who could pretty much hash out even worse situations. Please
don't let Nova Roma fall prey to pettiness and childish tantrums.

Marius Cornelius Scipio