Forum Romanum


Subject:	[novaroma] Salutem Novae Civites Nova Roma
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:41:31 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

I wish to extend a welcome to the new civites of Nova Roma from the gentes
Fabia, Moravia, Drusilla, Sertoria et Papiria. Warm greetings!

It is good to have you a part of the republic.

If I can be of assistance to you here in Nova Roma, please do not hesitate
to contact me.

Bene valete
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix, Canada Orientalis
Nova Roma

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Hello
From:	"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:49:26 -0800

Salve Marcus Drusillus and welcome!

You don't seem to be perpetrating any faux pas at all. (Certainly
no more than any of the rest of us :-)

It's great to have you here and you're part of a great province.
Nova Roma is a great place to live and hopefully you will find
it to be everything you had hoped for and more.

Vale bene,
-Oppius

-----Original Message-----
From: allan001@-------- [mailto:allan001@--------]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 5:37 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Hello

Hello

I'm kinda new. i just got admitted as a itizen and im happy to be
here. I am a resident of Canada Orientalis and my name is
Marcus Drusillus Scaevola. Just wanted to drop a note saying hi to
everyone.

P.S. im just new at this so i apologize in advance for any faux paus
i might have perpatrated

--
9 out of 10 doctors say the 10th doctor should mellow out.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Big Provincia!
From:	LucillaCornelia@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:10:46 -0500

Ya' just gotta love a guy with a Big Provincia . . . heh heh heh.

novaroma@-------- wrote:
>
> That's one huge province!!!
>
> Lucius Aetius Dalmaticus
>
> --- Quintus Sertorius <quintus-sertorius@-------->
> wrote:
> > 11 Jan 2001
> >
> > Salve All
> >
> > Has anyone look at the map on the wedsite for the
> > Provincias in North America?... Have you noticed how
> > Canada Occidentalis is almost as big as everyone
> > else combined!!! heh heh..
> >
> > Quintus Sertorius
> > Propraetor
> > Canada Occidentalis
> > quintus-sertorius@--------
> >
> > Join the egroup for Canada Occidentalis
> > http://www.egroups.com/group/NR_CanOcc
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Canada Orientalis: Prov. Edictum IV
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Tue, 16 Jan 2001 01:42:53 -0000

15 Jan. 2754 AUC

CANADA ORIENTALIS - NOVA ROMA

PROVINCIA EDICTUM IV

APPOINTMENT OF A LEGATUS

I hereby appoint as Legatus for the Region of NOVA GALLIA, Canada Orientalis
Provincia, Marcus Cornelius Scriptor, Pontiff Nova Roma.

In the service of the res Publica:

Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix, Canada Orientalis
Nova Roma
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Local Groups
From:	SyanneRose@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:54:02 EST

Salve Lucius Sicinius Drusus,

Yay!!!!!!! I thought I was the only one of our Provincia who was a regular
poster. Very glad to meet you. Perhaps we could suggest our input to our
Governor? Just an idea.

Bene Vale,
Aeternia


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Local Groups
From:	SyanneRose@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:54:02 EST


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:13:22 -0700

Sure, if you were aware a) that a Senatus Consultum had been issued, b) that it was
in the Tabularium, and c) that it was going to be on the ballot.

The onus is not on the individual to figure out, by prescience, what they will be
voting on.

Livia

Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:

> The Lex Fabia was available in the Tabularium once the Senate voted a Senatus
> Consultum. All you needed to do was to check the Tabularium.
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor of Nova Roma
>
> gmvick32@-------- wrote:
>
> > I don't see how this is any different, and perhaps more liberal, than standard
> > election operation procedure. We certainly never saw the Lex Fabia that was
> > voted on for debate prior to the December election.
> >
> > Livia
> >
> > Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:
> >
> > > Salvete Tribunes,
> > >
> > > > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall be
> > > > posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> > > >
> > > > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates for Aedilis Plebis
> > > > and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at 00:01 Roma (6:01 PM EDST)
> > >
> > > You're leaving less than two days between posting of the proposals
> > > and the start of voting? And posting the proposals to a sparsely-populated
> > > satellite list instead of the main mailing list?
> > >
> > > This looks very much like you're trying to get something pushed through
> > > the Comitia with as much secrecy as possible.
> > >
> > > Why not post them here, now, for open debate?
> > >
> > > Valete, Octavius.
> > >
> > > --
> > > M. Octavius Germanicus
> > > Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> > > Curator Araneae et Senator


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Canada Orientalis: Prov. Edictum IV
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:03:39 -0800

Congrats M. Cornelius Scriptor on your appointment. I am very pleased!!! :)

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Paterfamilias of the Gens Cornelia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
To: <NovaRoma@-------->; <Canada_Orientalis_NR@-------->
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Canada Orientalis: Prov. Edictum IV

> 15 Jan. 2754 AUC
>
> CANADA ORIENTALIS - NOVA ROMA
>
> PROVINCIA EDICTUM IV
>
> APPOINTMENT OF A LEGATUS
>
> I hereby appoint as Legatus for the Region of NOVA GALLIA, Canada
Orientalis
> Provincia, Marcus Cornelius Scriptor, Pontiff Nova Roma.
>
> In the service of the res Publica:
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
> Propraetrix, Canada Orientalis
> Nova Roma
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
>
>
>
>
>


Subject:	[novaroma] Announcement
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:23:43 -0800

Ave Quirites!

With the upcoming summoning of the Comitia Plebis, I would like to announce that the revisions of the Tribes have been completed. As per the Constitution of Nova Roma this is the only time this year that the changes will be noted. This was due to the excellent work of Senator M. Octavius Germancius.

As per the Centuries, there currently has been no revision of Century points or Century allocations. This will be completed later this year.

Please go to the Album Civium and check your new status. If you have any questions please feel free to contact myself at alexious@-------- or censors@novaroma.org.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:26:44 -0800

Ave

Well the Tribunes of the Plebs have announced every time the Senate has been
summoned. And they have announced the voting results when they were
completed. Once the Tribs of the Plebs announce them...M. Octavius has been
very punctual about posting them on the Tabularium.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
----- Original Message -----
From: <gmvick32@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates

> Sure, if you were aware a) that a Senatus Consultum had been issued, b)
that it was
> in the Tabularium, and c) that it was going to be on the ballot.
>
> The onus is not on the individual to figure out, by prescience, what they
will be
> voting on.
>
> Livia
>
>
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
>
> > The Lex Fabia was available in the Tabularium once the Senate voted a
Senatus
> > Consultum. All you needed to do was to check the Tabularium.
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > Censor of Nova Roma
> >
> > gmvick32@-------- wrote:
> >
> > > I don't see how this is any different, and perhaps more liberal, than
standard
> > > election operation procedure. We certainly never saw the Lex Fabia
that was
> > > voted on for debate prior to the December election.
> > >
> > > Livia
> > >
> > > Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:
> > >
> > > > Salvete Tribunes,
> > > >
> > > > > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis Tributa
shall be
> > > > > posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> > > > >
> > > > > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates for
Aedilis Plebis
> > > > > and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at 00:01 Roma (6:01
PM EDST)
> > > >
> > > > You're leaving less than two days between posting of the proposals
> > > > and the start of voting? And posting the proposals to a
sparsely-populated
> > > > satellite list instead of the main mailing list?
> > > >
> > > > This looks very much like you're trying to get something pushed
through
> > > > the Comitia with as much secrecy as possible.
> > > >
> > > > Why not post them here, now, for open debate?
> > > >
> > > > Valete, Octavius.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > M. Octavius Germanicus
> > > > Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> > > > Curator Araneae et Senator
>
>
>
>
>


Subject:	[novaroma] Citizens
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vze23hw7@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:57:41 -0500

Salvete, Quirites

Having just approved new gens members to Gens Constantinia, Nova Roma has reached 700 cives!

This is great progress that can only be made better by increased involvement of those Paterfamilia et Materfamilia who have prospective gens members awaiting approval.

Bene omnibus nobis
Valete, Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Gens Constantinia, a greeting and an introduction
From:	Domitius Constantinus Fuscus <flyke@-------->
Date:	Tue, 16 Jan 2001 04:15:46 +0100

Salvete

I seize the chance given by the last post of the Censor to greet everyone
on the behalf of my gens.

Quite amazingly, founded months ago, gens Constantinia passed from 1 to 6
and a half (for one member is pending the approval of his parents) in a
matter of 15 days... which creates a bit of problems on the internal
organization but that, quite incredibly, makes us one of the largest
plebeian gentes.

After a time of internal organization, I do hope my gens will be able to
partecipate actively to the life of the res publica and bring in its own
contributions.

Is with pleasure that I therefore introduce to you teh other members of my gens

Publius Constantinus Lucius
Publius Constantinus Costantinus (still pending approval by the censor)
Gaius Constantinus Fuscus
Maximus Constantinus Decimo Meridio
Lucius Constantinus Enobardo (pending approval of his parents and the censors)
Sempronia Constantinia Silla

valete

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:32:57 -0700

Sorry, I don't make the logical leap from those events to the election process.

Proof of my hopeless stupidity, no doubt.

Livia

"L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:

> Ave
>
> Well the Tribunes of the Plebs have announced every time the Senate has been
> summoned. And they have announced the voting results when they were
> completed. Once the Tribs of the Plebs announce them...M. Octavius has been
> very punctual about posting them on the Tabularium.
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gmvick32@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 6:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
>
> > Sure, if you were aware a) that a Senatus Consultum had been issued, b)
> that it was
> > in the Tabularium, and c) that it was going to be on the ballot.
> >
> > The onus is not on the individual to figure out, by prescience, what they
> will be
> > voting on.
> >
> > Livia
> >
> >
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> >
> > > The Lex Fabia was available in the Tabularium once the Senate voted a
> Senatus
> > > Consultum. All you needed to do was to check the Tabularium.
> > >
> > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > Censor of Nova Roma
> > >
> > > gmvick32@-------- wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't see how this is any different, and perhaps more liberal, than
> standard
> > > > election operation procedure. We certainly never saw the Lex Fabia
> that was
> > > > voted on for debate prior to the December election.
> > > >
> > > > Livia
> > > >
> > > > Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Salvete Tribunes,
> > > > >
> > > > > > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis Tributa
> shall be
> > > > > > posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates for
> Aedilis Plebis
> > > > > > and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at 00:01 Roma (6:01
> PM EDST)
> > > > >
> > > > > You're leaving less than two days between posting of the proposals
> > > > > and the start of voting? And posting the proposals to a
> sparsely-populated
> > > > > satellite list instead of the main mailing list?
> > > > >
> > > > > This looks very much like you're trying to get something pushed
> through
> > > > > the Comitia with as much secrecy as possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why not post them here, now, for open debate?
> > > > >
> > > > > Valete, Octavius.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > M. Octavius Germanicus
> > > > > Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> > > > > Curator Araneae et Senator
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Local Groups
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 16 Jan 2001 03:35:47 -0000

Salve Aeternia,

I have written our our Propraetor and offered my services, and recived
no reply.

The Provincial web site shows no sign of having been updated in a long
time. I haven't seen any edictia for the American Austrorientlis
Provincia, and most disrurbing of all the Propraetor has been assigned
to an urban tribe for the last two years, showing she failed to even
vote. I fear that a provincia with 49 citizens lacks an active
governor.

Vale
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

--- In novaroma@--------, SyanneRose@c... wrote:
> Salve Lucius Sicinius Drusus,
>
>
> Yay!!!!!!! I thought I was the only one of our Provincia who was a
regular
> poster. Very glad to meet you. Perhaps we could suggest our input to
our
> Governor? Just an idea.
>
>
> Bene Vale,
> Aeternia


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:45:26 -0800

Ave

Well the www.novaroma.org/main.html it lists Tabularium and underneath it it
has Laws and Edicts. Maybe Senator M. Octavius can make some improvement to
on tinclude more information here. But, I personally have an habit to make
certain there are updates to the Senatus Consultum site and when Leges are
passed I make sure they are listed as well as Edicts. Its a site I have
bookmarked. Citizens should be very proactive when it comes to checking the
laws that govern our micronation.

Also, let me state to you, publically that I have never called you stupid.
This type of hyperbole is not proper for one who was appointed a Governor of
a very important province and more importantly. I do not have stupid people
in the Gens Cornelia!!

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: <gmvick32@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates

> Sorry, I don't make the logical leap from those events to the election
process.
>
> Proof of my hopeless stupidity, no doubt.
>
> Livia
>
>
> "L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:
>
> > Ave
> >
> > Well the Tribunes of the Plebs have announced every time the Senate has
been
> > summoned. And they have announced the voting results when they were
> > completed. Once the Tribs of the Plebs announce them...M. Octavius has
been
> > very punctual about posting them on the Tabularium.
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > Censor
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <gmvick32@-------->
> > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 6:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
> >
> > > Sure, if you were aware a) that a Senatus Consultum had been issued,
b)
> > that it was
> > > in the Tabularium, and c) that it was going to be on the ballot.
> > >
> > > The onus is not on the individual to figure out, by prescience, what
they
> > will be
> > > voting on.
> > >
> > > Livia
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> > >
> > > > The Lex Fabia was available in the Tabularium once the Senate voted
a
> > Senatus
> > > > Consultum. All you needed to do was to check the Tabularium.
> > > >
> > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > > Censor of Nova Roma
> > > >
> > > > gmvick32@-------- wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I don't see how this is any different, and perhaps more liberal,
than
> > standard
> > > > > election operation procedure. We certainly never saw the Lex
Fabia
> > that was
> > > > > voted on for debate prior to the December election.
> > > > >
> > > > > Livia
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Salvete Tribunes,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis
Tributa
> > shall be
> > > > > > > posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates for
> > Aedilis Plebis
> > > > > > > and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at 00:01 Roma
(6:01
> > PM EDST)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You're leaving less than two days between posting of the
proposals
> > > > > > and the start of voting? And posting the proposals to a
> > sparsely-populated
> > > > > > satellite list instead of the main mailing list?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This looks very much like you're trying to get something pushed
> > through
> > > > > > the Comitia with as much secrecy as possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why not post them here, now, for open debate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Valete, Octavius.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > M. Octavius Germanicus
> > > > > > Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> > > > > > Curator Araneae et Senator
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:21:46 -0700

We're talking about POSTING potential laws PRIOR to ELECTIONS by COMITIA.
Here's a question. If a Senatus Consultum isn't a law (didn't we have this
discussion before?) then why is a Senatus Consultum being posted in the Laws
section of the Tabularium after having been passed by the Senate (which doesn't
issue laws, remember?)

...and why is said posting of a Senatus Consultum, potentially months in advance
of an election, being considered acceptable substitute for posting notice that
the Senatus Consultum is to be floated as an item for VOTE by the COMITIA
immediately prior to the election?

Are we to consider that every Senatus Consultum is going to end up as an item
for vote by the Comitia?? If so, aren't we dreadfully behind in the elections?

Livia

"L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:

> Ave
>
> Well the www.novaroma.org/main.html it lists Tabularium and underneath it it
> has Laws and Edicts. Maybe Senator M. Octavius can make some improvement to
> on tinclude more information here. But, I personally have an habit to make
> certain there are updates to the Senatus Consultum site and when Leges are
> passed I make sure they are listed as well as Edicts. Its a site I have
> bookmarked. Citizens should be very proactive when it comes to checking the
> laws that govern our micronation.
>
> Also, let me state to you, publically that I have never called you stupid.
> This type of hyperbole is not proper for one who was appointed a Governor of
> a very important province and more importantly. I do not have stupid people
> in the Gens Cornelia!!
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gmvick32@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
>
> > Sorry, I don't make the logical leap from those events to the election
> process.
> >
> > Proof of my hopeless stupidity, no doubt.
> >
> > Livia
> >
> >
> > "L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:
> >
> > > Ave
> > >
> > > Well the Tribunes of the Plebs have announced every time the Senate has
> been
> > > summoned. And they have announced the voting results when they were
> > > completed. Once the Tribs of the Plebs announce them...M. Octavius has
> been
> > > very punctual about posting them on the Tabularium.
> > >
> > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > Censor
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <gmvick32@-------->
> > > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 6:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
> > >
> > > > Sure, if you were aware a) that a Senatus Consultum had been issued,
> b)
> > > that it was
> > > > in the Tabularium, and c) that it was going to be on the ballot.
> > > >
> > > > The onus is not on the individual to figure out, by prescience, what
> they
> > > will be
> > > > voting on.
> > > >
> > > > Livia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The Lex Fabia was available in the Tabularium once the Senate voted
> a
> > > Senatus
> > > > > Consultum. All you needed to do was to check the Tabularium.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > > > Censor of Nova Roma
> > > > >
> > > > > gmvick32@-------- wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I don't see how this is any different, and perhaps more liberal,
> than
> > > standard
> > > > > > election operation procedure. We certainly never saw the Lex
> Fabia
> > > that was
> > > > > > voted on for debate prior to the December election.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Livia
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salvete Tribunes,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis
> Tributa
> > > shall be
> > > > > > > > posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates for
> > > Aedilis Plebis
> > > > > > > > and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at 00:01 Roma
> (6:01
> > > PM EDST)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're leaving less than two days between posting of the
> proposals
> > > > > > > and the start of voting? And posting the proposals to a
> > > sparsely-populated
> > > > > > > satellite list instead of the main mailing list?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This looks very much like you're trying to get something pushed
> > > through
> > > > > > > the Comitia with as much secrecy as possible.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why not post them here, now, for open debate?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Valete, Octavius.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > M. Octavius Germanicus
> > > > > > > Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> > > > > > > Curator Araneae et Senator
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:34:07 -0800

And I am saying they were.....prior to it going to the Comitia, it was
submitted to the Senate like two months before going to the Comitia. The
Tribune of the Plebs Lucius Sergius presented it to the People when it was
brought before the Senate....and again verified it once it passed. Since
that time it was published in the Tabularium for all to see! Because
citizens didnt go to the Tabularium is no reason to blame anyone that it
wasnt available for all to see. It was! Then in December, when Consul
Fabius announced it would be in the agenda, you could have easily gone to
the Tabularium to view the contents of the law!

The fault is yours, Livia Cornelia, for not going to the Tabularium to view
the law when it was posted after it passed the Senate!

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: <gmvick32@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates

> We're talking about POSTING potential laws PRIOR to ELECTIONS by COMITIA.
> Here's a question. If a Senatus Consultum isn't a law (didn't we have
this
> discussion before?) then why is a Senatus Consultum being posted in the
Laws
> section of the Tabularium after having been passed by the Senate (which
doesn't
> issue laws, remember?)
>
> ...and why is said posting of a Senatus Consultum, potentially months in
advance
> of an election, being considered acceptable substitute for posting notice
that
> the Senatus Consultum is to be floated as an item for VOTE by the COMITIA
> immediately prior to the election?
>
> Are we to consider that every Senatus Consultum is going to end up as an
item
> for vote by the Comitia?? If so, aren't we dreadfully behind in the
elections?
>
> Livia
>
>
>
> "L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:
>
> > Ave
> >
> > Well the www.novaroma.org/main.html it lists Tabularium and underneath
it it
> > has Laws and Edicts. Maybe Senator M. Octavius can make some
improvement to
> > on tinclude more information here. But, I personally have an habit to
make
> > certain there are updates to the Senatus Consultum site and when Leges
are
> > passed I make sure they are listed as well as Edicts. Its a site I have
> > bookmarked. Citizens should be very proactive when it comes to checking
the
> > laws that govern our micronation.
> >
> > Also, let me state to you, publically that I have never called you
stupid.
> > This type of hyperbole is not proper for one who was appointed a
Governor of
> > a very important province and more importantly. I do not have stupid
people
> > in the Gens Cornelia!!
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <gmvick32@-------->
> > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
> >
> > > Sorry, I don't make the logical leap from those events to the election
> > process.
> > >
> > > Proof of my hopeless stupidity, no doubt.
> > >
> > > Livia
> > >
> > >
> > > "L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ave
> > > >
> > > > Well the Tribunes of the Plebs have announced every time the Senate
has
> > been
> > > > summoned. And they have announced the voting results when they were
> > > > completed. Once the Tribs of the Plebs announce them...M. Octavius
has
> > been
> > > > very punctual about posting them on the Tabularium.
> > > >
> > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > > Censor
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <gmvick32@-------->
> > > > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 6:13 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
> > > >
> > > > > Sure, if you were aware a) that a Senatus Consultum had been
issued,
> > b)
> > > > that it was
> > > > > in the Tabularium, and c) that it was going to be on the ballot.
> > > > >
> > > > > The onus is not on the individual to figure out, by prescience,
what
> > they
> > > > will be
> > > > > voting on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Livia
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The Lex Fabia was available in the Tabularium once the Senate
voted
> > a
> > > > Senatus
> > > > > > Consultum. All you needed to do was to check the Tabularium.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > > > > Censor of Nova Roma
> > > > > >
> > > > > > gmvick32@-------- wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't see how this is any different, and perhaps more
liberal,
> > than
> > > > standard
> > > > > > > election operation procedure. We certainly never saw the Lex
> > Fabia
> > > > that was
> > > > > > > voted on for debate prior to the December election.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Livia
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Salvete Tribunes,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis
> > Tributa
> > > > shall be
> > > > > > > > > posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates
for
> > > > Aedilis Plebis
> > > > > > > > > and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at 00:01 Roma
> > (6:01
> > > > PM EDST)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You're leaving less than two days between posting of the
> > proposals
> > > > > > > > and the start of voting? And posting the proposals to a
> > > > sparsely-populated
> > > > > > > > satellite list instead of the main mailing list?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This looks very much like you're trying to get something
pushed
> > > > through
> > > > > > > > the Comitia with as much secrecy as possible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why not post them here, now, for open debate?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Valete, Octavius.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > M. Octavius Germanicus
> > > > > > > > Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> > > > > > > > Curator Araneae et Senator
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Citizens
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:28:29 -0600

15 Jan 2001

Salve All

Our Repubilc has doubled in number since I joined, it is truly a great day.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis
quintus-sertorius@--------

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucius Equitius" <vze23hw7@-------->
To: "Nova Roma" <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:57 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Citizens

> Salvete, Quirites
>
> Having just approved new gens members to Gens Constantinia, Nova Roma has
reached 700 cives!
>
> This is great progress that can only be made better by increased
involvement of those Paterfamilia et Materfamilia who have prospective gens
members awaiting approval.
>
> Bene omnibus nobis
> Valete, Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Local Groups
From:	"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:50:23 -0800

Ah yes, this is sounding way too familiar!
Very much the same situation as in America Boreoccidentalis I'm afraid.
Lots of previous threads about it. If either of you wish to write me
privately, I can let you know what I've run into.

Valete bene,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Sicinius Drusus [mailto:drusus@--------]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:36 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Local Groups

Salve Aeternia,

I have written our our Propraetor and offered my services, and recived
no reply.

The Provincial web site shows no sign of having been updated in a long
time. I haven't seen any edictia for the American Austrorientlis
Provincia, and most disrurbing of all the Propraetor has been assigned
to an urban tribe for the last two years, showing she failed to even
vote. I fear that a provincia with 49 citizens lacks an active
governor.

Vale
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

--- In novaroma@--------, SyanneRose@c... wrote:
> Salve Lucius Sicinius Drusus,
>
>
> Yay!!!!!!! I thought I was the only one of our Provincia who was a
regular
> poster. Very glad to meet you. Perhaps we could suggest our input to
our
> Governor? Just an idea.
>
>
> Bene Vale,
> Aeternia

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Hello
From:	Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:00:51 -0800 (PST)

Salve, and be welcome!

L Aetius Dalmaticus

--- allan001@-------- wrote:
> Hello
>
> I'm kinda new. i just got admitted as a itizen and
> im happy to be
> here. I am a resident of Canada Orientalis and my
> name is
> Marcus Drusillus Scaevola. Just wanted to drop a
> note saying hi to
> everyone.
>
> P.S. im just new at this so i apologize in advance
> for any faux paus
> i might have perpatrated
>
> --
> 9 out of 10 doctors say the 10th doctor should
> mellow out.
>
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	Ira Adams <iadams@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:59:21 -0600

Salvete Tribunes

While I appreciate your initiative in setting up an election, I don't
consider it legal to do so in a private list that is NOT a public forum.
I just spent almost 30 minutes of time navigating multiple Web pages and
arranging to retrieve a password in order to gain the position of being
allowed to ask the unidentified list-owner for PERMISSION to join this
*private* list. This does not appear to be an appropriate venue for a
vote by the Comitia Plebis Tributa and any vote taken here will be of
doubtful legality under the present Constitution.

Valete,

L. Sergius Aust. Obst.

On 1/15/01 8:10 AM Gian G Reali (piscinus@--------) wrote:

> EX DOMO TRIBUNORUM PLEBIUM
>
>Salvete Quirites
>
> Re: Last call for candidates to announce their intention to stand for
>Aedilis Plebis.
>
> Nominations for the ofice of Aedilis Plebis shall close on Thurs 18
>January at 12:00 Midnight Roma (6:00 PM EDST). Plebeians wishing to run
>for this office may announce their candidacy in the Forum Romanum main
>list and/or to the Comitia Plebis Tributa list before the end of Thursday
>18 January 2754 AUC.
>
> Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall be
>posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
>
>http://egroups.com/messages/comitiaplebistributa
>
> All Plebeian cives are encouraged to subscribe to their Comitia's list.
>All others are welcomed to subscribe.
>
> Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates for Aedilis Plebis
>and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at 00:01 Roma (6:01 PM EDST)
>and end on Tuesday 30 January at 12:00 Midnight Roma (6:00 PM EDST) 2754
>AUC. Location of the cista shall be posted on the 19 January prior to
>its opening for the vote.
>
>Curate ut valeatis
>
>Tribuni Plebis T. Labienus Fortunatus et Cn. Moravius Piscinus
>


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Citizens
From:	"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:09:40 -0800

This is truly wonderful news! Hopefully all the new cives will be
participatory
in some way. Welcome all to the Respublica!

Valete bene,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius Equitius [mailto:vze23hw7@--------]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 6:58 PM
To: Nova Roma
Subject: [novaroma] Citizens

Salvete, Quirites

Having just approved new gens members to Gens Constantinia, Nova Roma has
reached 700 cives!

This is great progress that can only be made better by increased
involvement of those Paterfamilia et Materfamilia who have prospective gens
members awaiting approval.

Bene omnibus nobis
Valete, Censor Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:53:13 -0700

"L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:

> And I am saying they were.....prior to it going to the Comitia, it was
> submitted to the Senate like two months before going to the Comitia. The
> Tribune of the Plebs Lucius Sergius presented it to the People when it was
> brought before the Senate....and again verified it once it passed. Since
> that time it was published in the Tabularium for all to see!

Granted, it was in the Tabularium. I maintain nobody but a few magistrates and
Senators understood that it was an item they'd be voting on at some future
point. OK, I won't speak for anybody else. Myself, if it's something I'm
suppossed to be voting on, I don't look for it in the place with the
already-approved laws. BUT....this issue is beside the point.

> Then in December, when Consul
> Fabius announced it would be in the agenda, you could have easily gone to
> the Tabularium to view the contents of the law!

THIS is my point. Fabius never announced it would be on the agenda for the
election. I've taken liberty to supply the two official posts we received from
Fabius about the election in December (not the Senate call, the COMITIA
election). There's no mention in the archives that I can find to the effect
of....."and yes cives, you'll be voting on Lex Fabia such-and-such".

Explicit announcement of the addition of the single Lex Fabia on the election
ballot prior to calling the Comitia vote never occured. So, to my mind, whether
it's right or not for Tribune Piscinus to ask the cives to go to the CPT to
review the items for vote, he's already provided more to the cives going into
this election than we had in the prior election, simply by stated there are laws
coming up for vote and where to view them!

> The fault is yours, Livia Cornelia, for not going to the Tabularium to view
> the law when it was posted after it passed the Senate!

Laws don't pass the Senate. Senate Consultums (i.e., policies) pass the
Senate. We already discussed this.

Livia

post #16731, posted 12/6/00 by the Sr. Consul:

Salvete Citizens of Rome.

The Comitia Centuriata is summoned this Dec 7th to elect the new
Consules,
Praetors Urbanii, and Censor.
Gather at http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/ to cast
your votes.

The Comitia Tributa is summoned this Dec 7th to elect Curule
Aedilii,
Quaestors, and the lesser Magistrates.
It also summoned to vote items into law. Assemble at
http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/ to cast your votes

Fortuna preserve our Republic, Minervia enlighten our voters.
Valete!
The Consules

post #16263, posted 11/27/00 by the Sr. Consul:

To all citizens of Nova Roma,
Those who wish to stand for office in the upcoming year, you are
requsted to
don your whitened toga and declare yourself as standing for which
office.
Nova Roma will need:
2 Consuls

1 Censor

2 Praetor Urbanus

2 Aedilis Plebeiaus

2 Tribunas Plebis

8 Quaestors (minimum of four)

Vigintisexviri (At least four with various functions)

The Consuls of Nova Roma

> You're leaving less than two days between posting of the
> proposals
> and the start of voting? And posting the proposals to a
> sparsely-populated
> satellite list instead of the main mailing list?
> > > > > > > > >
> This looks very much like you're trying to get something
> pushed
> through
> the Comitia with as much secrecy as possible.
> > > > > > > > >
> Why not post them here, now, for open debate?
> > > > > > > > >
> Valete, Octavius.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> M. Octavius Germanicus
> Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> Curator Araneae et Senator


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:45:32 -0800 (PST)

Salve:

I fear you will also find you will have a wait to get
on. I'm still waiting.

L Aetius Dalmaticus

--- Ira Adams <iadams@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Tribunes
>
> While I appreciate your initiative in setting up an
> election, I don't
> consider it legal to do so in a private list that is
> NOT a public forum.
> I just spent almost 30 minutes of time navigating
> multiple Web pages and
> arranging to retrieve a password in order to gain
> the position of being
> allowed to ask the unidentified list-owner for
> PERMISSION to join this
> *private* list. This does not appear to be an
> appropriate venue for a
> vote by the Comitia Plebis Tributa and any vote
> taken here will be of
> doubtful legality under the present Constitution.
>
> Valete,
>
> L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>
>
> On 1/15/01 8:10 AM Gian G Reali (piscinus@--------)
> wrote:
>
> > EX DOMO TRIBUNORUM PLEBIUM
> >
> >Salvete Quirites
> >
> > Re: Last call for candidates to announce their
> intention to stand for
> >Aedilis Plebis.
> >
> > Nominations for the ofice of Aedilis Plebis shall
> close on Thurs 18
> >January at 12:00 Midnight Roma (6:00 PM EDST).
> Plebeians wishing to run
> >for this office may announce their candidacy in the
> Forum Romanum main
> >list and/or to the Comitia Plebis Tributa list
> before the end of Thursday
> >18 January 2754 AUC.
> >
> > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis
> Tributa shall be
> >posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> >
> >http://egroups.com/messages/comitiaplebistributa
> >
> > All Plebeian cives are encouraged to subscribe to
> their Comitia's list.
> >All others are welcomed to subscribe.
> >
> > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates
> for Aedilis Plebis
> >and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at
> 00:01 Roma (6:01 PM EDST)
> >and end on Tuesday 30 January at 12:00 Midnight
> Roma (6:00 PM EDST) 2754
> >AUC. Location of the cista shall be posted on the
> 19 January prior to
> >its opening for the vote.
> >
> >Curate ut valeatis
> >
> >Tribuni Plebis T. Labienus Fortunatus et Cn.
> Moravius Piscinus
> >
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:45:47 -0800

Ave!

It took about 24-48 hours for me to get on the list..and I am a Patrician!
:)

Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Smith" <JSmithCSA@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates

> Salve:
>
> I fear you will also find you will have a wait to get
> on. I'm still waiting.
>
> L Aetius Dalmaticus
>
> --- Ira Adams <iadams@--------> wrote:
> > Salvete Tribunes
> >
> > While I appreciate your initiative in setting up an
> > election, I don't
> > consider it legal to do so in a private list that is
> > NOT a public forum.
> > I just spent almost 30 minutes of time navigating
> > multiple Web pages and
> > arranging to retrieve a password in order to gain
> > the position of being
> > allowed to ask the unidentified list-owner for
> > PERMISSION to join this
> > *private* list. This does not appear to be an
> > appropriate venue for a
> > vote by the Comitia Plebis Tributa and any vote
> > taken here will be of
> > doubtful legality under the present Constitution.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
> >
> >
> > On 1/15/01 8:10 AM Gian G Reali (piscinus@--------)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > EX DOMO TRIBUNORUM PLEBIUM
> > >
> > >Salvete Quirites
> > >
> > > Re: Last call for candidates to announce their
> > intention to stand for
> > >Aedilis Plebis.
> > >
> > > Nominations for the ofice of Aedilis Plebis shall
> > close on Thurs 18
> > >January at 12:00 Midnight Roma (6:00 PM EDST).
> > Plebeians wishing to run
> > >for this office may announce their candidacy in the
> > Forum Romanum main
> > >list and/or to the Comitia Plebis Tributa list
> > before the end of Thursday
> > >18 January 2754 AUC.
> > >
> > > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis
> > Tributa shall be
> > >posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> > >
> > >http://egroups.com/messages/comitiaplebistributa
> > >
> > > All Plebeian cives are encouraged to subscribe to
> > their Comitia's list.
> > >All others are welcomed to subscribe.
> > >
> > > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates
> > for Aedilis Plebis
> > >and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at
> > 00:01 Roma (6:01 PM EDST)
> > >and end on Tuesday 30 January at 12:00 Midnight
> > Roma (6:00 PM EDST) 2754
> > >AUC. Location of the cista shall be posted on the
> > 19 January prior to
> > >its opening for the vote.
> > >
> > >Curate ut valeatis
> > >
> > >Tribuni Plebis T. Labienus Fortunatus et Cn.
> > Moravius Piscinus
> > >
> >
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:12:36 -0700

I wonder if the moderator of that list is still the former tribune who founded
it, Tarquinius Caesar?

Livia Cornelia Aurelia

"L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:

> Ave!
>
> It took about 24-48 hours for me to get on the list..and I am a Patrician!
> :)
>
> Sulla Felix
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Smith" <JSmithCSA@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
>
> > Salve:
> >
> > I fear you will also find you will have a wait to get
> > on. I'm still waiting.
> >
> > L Aetius Dalmaticus
> >
> > --- Ira Adams <iadams@--------> wrote:
> > > Salvete Tribunes
> > >
> > > While I appreciate your initiative in setting up an
> > > election, I don't
> > > consider it legal to do so in a private list that is
> > > NOT a public forum.
> > > I just spent almost 30 minutes of time navigating
> > > multiple Web pages and
> > > arranging to retrieve a password in order to gain
> > > the position of being
> > > allowed to ask the unidentified list-owner for
> > > PERMISSION to join this
> > > *private* list. This does not appear to be an
> > > appropriate venue for a
> > > vote by the Comitia Plebis Tributa and any vote
> > > taken here will be of
> > > doubtful legality under the present Constitution.
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/15/01 8:10 AM Gian G Reali (piscinus@--------)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > EX DOMO TRIBUNORUM PLEBIUM
> > > >
> > > >Salvete Quirites
> > > >
> > > > Re: Last call for candidates to announce their
> > > intention to stand for
> > > >Aedilis Plebis.
> > > >
> > > > Nominations for the ofice of Aedilis Plebis shall
> > > close on Thurs 18
> > > >January at 12:00 Midnight Roma (6:00 PM EDST).
> > > Plebeians wishing to run
> > > >for this office may announce their candidacy in the
> > > Forum Romanum main
> > > >list and/or to the Comitia Plebis Tributa list
> > > before the end of Thursday
> > > >18 January 2754 AUC.
> > > >
> > > > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis
> > > Tributa shall be
> > > >posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> > > >
> > > >http://egroups.com/messages/comitiaplebistributa
> > > >
> > > > All Plebeian cives are encouraged to subscribe to
> > > their Comitia's list.
> > > >All others are welcomed to subscribe.
> > > >
> > > > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates
> > > for Aedilis Plebis
> > > >and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at
> > > 00:01 Roma (6:01 PM EDST)
> > > >and end on Tuesday 30 January at 12:00 Midnight
> > > Roma (6:00 PM EDST) 2754
> > > >AUC. Location of the cista shall be posted on the
> > > 19 January prior to
> > > >its opening for the vote.
> > > >
> > > >Curate ut valeatis
> > > >
> > > >Tribuni Plebis T. Labienus Fortunatus et Cn.
> > > Moravius Piscinus
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
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> > HQ USAREUR/7A
> > CMR 420, BOX 2839
> > APO AE 09063-2839
> >
> > "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." --Jean Rostand
> >
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> >
> >


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:13:36 -0800

Yes...it is...He is the Owner..and Tribune Piscinus and Tribune Fortuatus
are moderators.

SF
----- Original Message -----
From: <gmvick32@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates

> I wonder if the moderator of that list is still the former tribune who
founded
> it, Tarquinius Caesar?
>
> Livia Cornelia Aurelia
>
>
>
> "L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:
>
> > Ave!
> >
> > It took about 24-48 hours for me to get on the list..and I am a
Patrician!
> > :)
> >
> > Sulla Felix
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Smith" <JSmithCSA@-------->
> > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
> >
> > > Salve:
> > >
> > > I fear you will also find you will have a wait to get
> > > on. I'm still waiting.
> > >
> > > L Aetius Dalmaticus
> > >
> > > --- Ira Adams <iadams@--------> wrote:
> > > > Salvete Tribunes
> > > >
> > > > While I appreciate your initiative in setting up an
> > > > election, I don't
> > > > consider it legal to do so in a private list that is
> > > > NOT a public forum.
> > > > I just spent almost 30 minutes of time navigating
> > > > multiple Web pages and
> > > > arranging to retrieve a password in order to gain
> > > > the position of being
> > > > allowed to ask the unidentified list-owner for
> > > > PERMISSION to join this
> > > > *private* list. This does not appear to be an
> > > > appropriate venue for a
> > > > vote by the Comitia Plebis Tributa and any vote
> > > > taken here will be of
> > > > doubtful legality under the present Constitution.
> > > >
> > > > Valete,
> > > >
> > > > L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 1/15/01 8:10 AM Gian G Reali (piscinus@--------)
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > EX DOMO TRIBUNORUM PLEBIUM
> > > > >
> > > > >Salvete Quirites
> > > > >
> > > > > Re: Last call for candidates to announce their
> > > > intention to stand for
> > > > >Aedilis Plebis.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nominations for the ofice of Aedilis Plebis shall
> > > > close on Thurs 18
> > > > >January at 12:00 Midnight Roma (6:00 PM EDST).
> > > > Plebeians wishing to run
> > > > >for this office may announce their candidacy in the
> > > > Forum Romanum main
> > > > >list and/or to the Comitia Plebis Tributa list
> > > > before the end of Thursday
> > > > >18 January 2754 AUC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis
> > > > Tributa shall be
> > > > >posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> > > > >
> > > > >http://egroups.com/messages/comitiaplebistributa
> > > > >
> > > > > All Plebeian cives are encouraged to subscribe to
> > > > their Comitia's list.
> > > > >All others are welcomed to subscribe.
> > > > >
> > > > > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates
> > > > for Aedilis Plebis
> > > > >and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at
> > > > 00:01 Roma (6:01 PM EDST)
> > > > >and end on Tuesday 30 January at 12:00 Midnight
> > > > Roma (6:00 PM EDST) 2754
> > > > >AUC. Location of the cista shall be posted on the
> > > > 19 January prior to
> > > > >its opening for the vote.
> > > > >
> > > > >Curate ut valeatis
> > > > >
> > > > >Tribuni Plebis T. Labienus Fortunatus et Cn.
> > > > Moravius Piscinus
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > LTC JEFFREY C. SMITH
> > > HQ USAREUR/7A
> > > CMR 420, BOX 2839
> > > APO AE 09063-2839
> > >
> > > "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." --Jean
Rostand
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
> > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:22:11 -0800

----- Original Message -----
From: <gmvick32@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates

> "L. Cornelius Sulla" wrote:
>
> > And I am saying they were.....prior to it going to the Comitia, it was
> > submitted to the Senate like two months before going to the Comitia.
The
> > Tribune of the Plebs Lucius Sergius presented it to the People when it
was
> > brought before the Senate....and again verified it once it passed.
Since
> > that time it was published in the Tabularium for all to see!
>
> Granted, it was in the Tabularium. I maintain nobody but a few
magistrates and
> Senators understood that it was an item they'd be voting on at some future
> point. OK, I won't speak for anybody else. Myself, if it's something I'm
> suppossed to be voting on, I don't look for it in the place with the
> already-approved laws. BUT....this issue is beside the point.

Thank you for that. :) The point I was trying to make was that the
Tabularium is subdivided by Lexes, Edicts, Senatus Consultum, Priestly
Decress and other things I have probably left out. All you need to do is to
go into the Tabularium and click on the section that states Senatus
Consultum and it will show (from the most recent) items that were passed by
the Senate.

And I am sure we all know that anything passed by the Senate is not "law"
but a recommendation by the Senate. It is clearly stated as such in the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

>
> > Then in December, when Consul
> > Fabius announced it would be in the agenda, you could have easily gone
to
> > the Tabularium to view the contents of the law!
>
> THIS is my point. Fabius never announced it would be on the agenda for
the
> election. I've taken liberty to supply the two official posts we received
from
> Fabius about the election in December (not the Senate call, the COMITIA
> election). There's no mention in the archives that I can find to the
effect
> of....."and yes cives, you'll be voting on Lex Fabia such-and-such".

I am sure there was a post..but without going to the archieves I cannot
comment on that for certain since I am at work...I do see the post you
published....and I remember seeing that..but I think I recall seeing another
one that listed the law that he was putting up too.

> Explicit announcement of the addition of the single Lex Fabia on the
election
> ballot prior to calling the Comitia vote never occured. So, to my mind,
whether
> it's right or not for Tribune Piscinus to ask the cives to go to the CPT
to
> review the items for vote, he's already provided more to the cives going
into
> this election than we had in the prior election, simply by stated there
are laws
> coming up for vote and where to view them!

If that is the case then you are correct, however, I think that even at this
point Tribune Piscinus is not doing it the right way either. Considering
the problems that are being pointed out by other Plebians about their
inability to get into the list. And the fact that the Comitia Plebis
requires authorization. And the fact that there will be barely 2 days of
debate before the voting starts, I also share the concerns of Senator M.
Octavius. But, I share one other concern. If the laws are passed by the
Comita Plebis are bound by all citizens, why not let all citizens vote on
it, not just Plebians? But considering we still do not know what is being
voted on, its no use discussing that.

>
> > The fault is yours, Livia Cornelia, for not going to the Tabularium to
view
> > the law when it was posted after it passed the Senate!
>
> Laws don't pass the Senate. Senate Consultums (i.e., policies) pass the
> Senate. We already discussed this.