| Subject: |
Fw: [novaroma] a wedding! |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:39:20 -0400 |
|
Salvete, Maius Cornelius Mamertinus et Amethystia Iunia Crystallina et Omnes
On 6 Jun 99, at 9:10, jane wrote:
> Mamertinus and Crystallina, may the Gods smile on you both!
> I can't help but ask - are you doing anything Roman for your wedding?
> Patricia Cassia
Thanks for all the well wishes.
The wedding looks like this (on paper anyway <G>):
I will wear a flame colored veil and matching shoes.
The only people there will be ourselves and the children. This will be a
complete surprise to the kids.
We called and asked 4 state agencies when we got the marriage
license and no one could tell us one way or another if a minister
could preside over their own ceremony. I will be the minister at our
wedding!
We have a little script. Hopefully she will stay still for 5
minutes!! <G>
Because of the little ones, this is not going to be the most
elaborate ceremony in the world. We are
trying to incorporate at least SOME Roman stuff into the ceremony.
We will be going out for ribs afterwards (there was a sacrifice of the
pig -- this was the closest we could think of <G>)!!
L Equitius: This sounds very nice. Lets all pray that you have fair weather.
I have decided that, as my concession to the 90's I will be
hyphenating my name Iunia-Cornelia <G>. I would like to ask if my
name MUST be removed from it's place with the gens Iunia.
Couldn't I just be listed in 2 places? I guess I feel like a heel
leaving my pater/daddy like that <G>.
Lucius Equitius: I believe that the Woman kept her name (her fathers Nomen)
but the children took the name of the father. I would think that you will
still be listed in Gens Iunia unless adopted. As for listing in two places I
think the best thing is to leave you with Gens Iunia for now (until we hear from D Iunius Palladius).
We'll see if we can get pictures (I SWEAR I'll get the birth
announcement in the mail!!!!).
I'll also post how it ACTUALLY went <G>. You guys know me --
Murphy's Law, here I come!!!!!Crys
I am happy to hear that you are doing well. May all the Gods continue to smile upon you all.
Bonam Fortunam Volo
Valete, Flamen Martialis L Equitius
Ps I have new pictures of my children. I would like to send for your site if you want them Crystallina.
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| Subject: |
Sick Computer |
| From: |
Thomas Gangale TGangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:05:18 -0700 |
|
Salvete, omnes.
The primary hard drive on my computer at home crashed yesterday.
Fortunately, it was a graceful failure, and I was able to transfer all files
to the secondary hard drive before the hard failure occurred. However, this
computer will be out of action until a replacement primary hard drive is
shipped and installed. The down time should be about one week. In the
interim, I'll be using my e-m----------------ess --------ork <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=189185113185229031138038203140129208071" >tg--------le@--------</--------; --------y
primary address.
Vale,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Aedilis Curule et Vebsitarius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
Nicolaus Moravius n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:12:40 PDT |
|
Quiritibus, Salutem!
Sorry this is late, but I'm behind with my e-mail and I do feel a need to
contribute my dupondius' worth on the subject...
The recent (rather disrespectful, I thought) conversation on this list about
the necessity of Venus having a 'girl talk' with Vesta is trivialising the
issue of celibacy and so missing the real point of celibate Vestales by a
mille passus.
Surely the sexual mores of the Religio Romana, exemplified in the different
dispositions and preferences of the gods - sexual and asexual - deserve our
respect no less than we respect each others' differing sexual orientations?
Celibacy, as has already sensibly been pointed out, is a form of sacrifice;
more, it can be a form of self-discipline, of harnessing the power of the
will to ensure a desired (magical) result. It strikes me as significant that
celibacy is enjoined not only on Vestales as the custodians of the sacred
fire, but also on all celebrants of the Cerealia, who must abstain from sex
for 9 days beforehand, and also on those performing the Calends, Nones and
Idus rites, for 24 hours beforehand.
It seems to me, then, that the more important the ritual context, the
greater the requirement for celibacy. If people don't like it, they don't
have to practice it - but neither should they ridicule what is an important
part of the Religio Romana, by suggesting that one god of an asexual
persuasion needs enlightening by another, of heterosexual inclination.
(Before anybody starts in on what is, or isn't, 'natural', please bear in
mind that 'unnatural' behaviour is the one major thing that humans and gods
have in common!) ;-)
We are free to observe the rites we perform in private as conservatively or
as liberally as we feel to be right, but surely if someone feels called to
practice in officio on behalf of the entire Nova Roman community, (s)he
should agree to keep to the essential, traditional precepts. If an official
cult cannot be performed as the god wishes, should it be performed at all?
As Ausonius says (Liber IX, de Bissula): "Neque idem Cereri, quod Libero,
etiam sub isdem cultoribus." (Ceres and Bacchus are not worshipped in the
same way, even by the same worshippers). The same, clearly, goes for Venus
and Vesta. Can we not celebrate the gods' differences as we celebrate our
own?
Valete in pace deorum,
Nicolaus Moravius Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:19:31 EDT |
|
In a message dated 6/8/99 1:12:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> writes:
<< If people don't like it, they don't
have to practice it - but neither should they ridicule what is an important
part of the Religio Romana, by suggesting that one god of an asexual
persuasion needs enlightening by another, of heterosexual inclination.
(Before anybody starts in on what is, or isn't, 'natural', please bear in
mind that 'unnatural' behaviour is the one major thing that humans and gods
have in common!) ;-) >>
Girl, I think you read too deeply into that thread which historically has
been dismissed as humour (ok, maybe uncouth humor, but whoever said that I
was couth?). Homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, asexual...it's all good!
But I will echo the voice of Lauren Hutton in her role as the Vampiress in
"Once Bitten":
"Where the HELL am I going to find a virgin in 20th century America?"
With that I will rest my case!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:33:21 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
> Girl, I think you read too deeply into that thread which historically has
> been dismissed as humour (ok, maybe uncouth humor, but whoever said that I
> was couth?). Homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, asexual...it's all good!
> But I will echo the voice of Lauren Hutton in her role as the Vampiress in
> "Once Bitten":
> "Where the HELL am I going to find a virgin in 20th century America?"
> With that I will rest my case!
Oh, we're a lot less rare than you think. ;)
Vale et khairete,
Andrea Gladia Kyrinia
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| Subject: |
Fw: Warning on Potential New Virus |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:41:28 -0400 |
|
-----Original Message-----
From: Cope, Tracy <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=137233104056059135156082190036" >CopeT@--------</a>
To: '<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>' <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>; '<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=219166047056158162138098186056114239071048139" >caf--------ait@--------</a>'
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=219166047056158162138098186056114239071048139" >caf--------ait@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 12:47 PM
Subject: FW: Warning on Potential New Virus
>Hi Mike,
>I got this message forwarded to me today.
>
>> Subject: New virus
>>
>> Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver, the Budweiser
>> Frogs "BUDDYLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose everything!!!
>> Your hard drive will crash and someone from the Internet will get your
>> screen name and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
>> IT JUST WENT INTO circulation yesterday, as far as we know. Please
>> distribute this message. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many
>> people know about it. This information was announced yesterday morning
>> from Microsoft. Please share it with everyone that might access the
>> Internet. Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book
so
>> that this may be stopped. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous
virus
>> and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please practice
>> cautionary measures and forward this to all your on line friends.
>>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: Fw: Warning on Potential New Virus |
| From: |
Thomas Gangale TGangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:50:26 -0700 |
|
Salvete, omnes.
What's even worse, there seems to be no cure in sight for those millions of
Americans who have contracted a tasted for drinking pisswater like Budweiser
instead of decent beer. I say, let their hard drives crash!
Martianus
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius [mailto:<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:41 AM
To: Helena Equitia Ovidia; Dick & Nancy Maynard; Quintus Darius Macro;
Ronni Jones; TONY Hopp; OSCM(SW) Richard Hopp; Quintus Equitius
Frontinus; DeeDee Free; Tiberius Equitius Caecus; Gaius Equitius
Arminius; Primus Equitius Accipiter; <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Subject: [novaroma] Fw: Warning on Potential New Virus
From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
-----Original Message-----
From: Cope, Tracy <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=137233104056059135156082190036" >CopeT@--------</a>
To: '<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>' <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>; '<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=219166047056158162138098186056114239071048139" >caf--------ait@--------</a>'
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=219166047056158162138098186056114239071048139" >caf--------ait@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 12:47 PM
Subject: FW: Warning on Potential New Virus
>Hi Mike,
>I got this message forwarded to me today.
>
>> Subject: New virus
>>
>> Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver, the Budweiser
>> Frogs "BUDDYLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose everything!!!
>> Your hard drive will crash and someone from the Internet will get your
>> screen name and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
>> IT JUST WENT INTO circulation yesterday, as far as we know. Please
>> distribute this message. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many
>> people know about it. This information was announced yesterday morning
>> from Microsoft. Please share it with everyone that might access the
>> Internet. Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book
so
>> that this may be stopped. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous
virus
>> and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please practice
>> cautionary measures and forward this to all your on line friends.
>>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:37:26 -0500 |
|
On 8 Jun 99, --------3:19, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
>
> "Where the HELL am I going to find a virgin in 20th century America?"
>
>
> --Dexippus
>
>
HECK!! I can think of one!! Also, I have been under the
understanding that if a person abstains from sexual activity for, say
7 years, they may consider themselves a virgin once again.
Crys (typin and nursin)
Maius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia Crystallina
Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:41:12 -0500 |
|
On 8 Jun 99, at 10:33, Kyrene Ariadne wrote:
>
> Oh, we're a lot less rare than you think. ;)
>
> Vale et khairete,
>
> Andrea Gladia Kyrinia
>
>
DING DING DING!!!!!! Hey! Kyrinia, we need a you-know-what and
you's one of 'em ..............
Beats the heck outta someone hurrying the rituals along cause
honeys in the other room callin "You commin to bed?"
Crys
Maius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia Crystallina
Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil
ICQ# 38493770
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:39:59 EDT |
|
In a message dated 6/8/99 3:37:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
&-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a> writes:
<< 7 years, they may consider themselves a virgin once again. >>
7 years? I thought it was 7 months! Or was that 7 days? 7 minutes anyone?
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
Atalante pythie@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 08 Jun 1999 15:54:03 -0400 |
|
At 14:37 08/06/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
>
>On 8 Jun 99, --------3:19, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
>
>>
>> "Where the HELL am I going to find a virgin in 20th century America?"
>>
>>
>> --Dexippus
>>
>>
>
>HECK!! I can think of one!! Also, I have been under the
>understanding that if a person abstains from sexual activity for, say
>7 years, they may consider themselves a virgin once again.
>
>Crys (typin and nursin)
>Maius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia Crystallina
>
>Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach
>the ways of peace.
>Virgil
>
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I had heard once, from good source, that virginity hasn't the same meaning
in the old time (Ancient World) and now.
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| Subject: |
Re: A wedding announcement |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:00:32 -0400 (EDT) |
|
On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Don and Crys Meaker wrote:
> From: "Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
> Although many of you already know, or suspected, I am finally
> announcing publicly that the wedding of Gaius Cornelius
> Mamertinus and myself will be held on 18 June 1999.
Congratulations Crys! Does this mean I can give you away online? ;)
> So many of you know what my life has been the last year or better.
> I am now happier than I have been in my life. I have my Miracle
> (Terry) my Gift (Lapis) and my Reward (Don). I never thought I
> would ever be this happy.
I wish joy and happiness to you, Don and Terry and Lapis (Posterius). May
the Gods smile upon all of you.
Decius Iunius Palladius, Paterfamilias Gens Iunia
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:10:24 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- Don and Crys Meaker &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a> wrote:
> On 8 Jun 99, at 10:33, Kyrene Ariadne wrote:
> > Oh, we're a lot less rare than you think. ;)
> > Vale et khairete,
> > Andrea Gladia Kyrinia
> DING DING DING!!!!!! Hey! Kyrinia, we need a you-know-what and
> you's one of 'em ..............
*grin* Am I a valuable commodity? ;)
> Beats the heck outta someone hurrying the rituals along cause
> honeys in the other room callin "You commin to bed?"
Heck, I hear gods like virgin sacrifices. ;) ;)
-Kyrene
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:34:58 -0400 |
|
Quiritibus, Salutem!
>
>Sorry this is late, but I'm behind with my e-mail and I do feel a need to
>contribute my dupondius' worth on the subject...
>
>The recent (rather disrespectful, I thought) conversation on this list
about
>the necessity of Venus having a 'girl talk' with Vesta is trivialising the
>issue of celibacy and so missing the real point of celibate Vestales by a
>mille passus.
>
>Surely the sexual mores of the Religio Romana, exemplified in the different
>dispositions and preferences of the gods - sexual and asexual - deserve our
>respect no less than we respect each others' differing sexual orientations?
>
>Celibacy, as has already sensibly been pointed out, is a form of sacrifice;
>more, it can be a form of self-discipline, of harnessing the power of the
>will to ensure a desired (magical) result. It strikes me as significant
that
>celibacy is enjoined not only on Vestales as the custodians of the sacred
>fire, but also on all celebrants of the Cerealia, who must abstain from sex
>for 9 days beforehand, and also on those performing the Calends, Nones and
>Idus rites, for 24 hours beforehand.
>
>It seems to me, then, that the more important the ritual context, the
>greater the requirement for celibacy. If people don't like it, they don't
>have to practice it - but neither should they ridicule what is an
important
>part of the Religio Romana, by suggesting that one god of an asexual
>persuasion needs enlightening by another, of heterosexual inclination.
>(Before anybody starts in on what is, or isn't, 'natural', please bear in
>mind that 'unnatural' behaviour is the one major thing that humans and
gods
>have in common!) ;-)
>
>We are free to observe the rites we perform in private as conservatively or
>as liberally as we feel to be right, but surely if someone feels called to
>practice in officio on behalf of the entire Nova Roman community, (s)he
>should agree to keep to the essential, traditional precepts. If an official
>cult cannot be performed as the god wishes, should it be performed at all?
>
>As Ausonius says (Liber IX, de Bissula): "Neque idem Cereri, quod Libero,
>etiam sub isdem cultoribus." (Ceres and Bacchus are not worshipped in the
>same way, even by the same worshippers). The same, clearly, goes for Venus
>and Vesta. Can we not celebrate the gods' differences as we celebrate our
>own?
>
>Valete in pace deorum,
>
>Nicolaus Moravius Vado.
Wonderful Post! I'm just thinking how much fun it would be to meet you all
in person. I hope that many of you will come to Roman Days. or the Concordia
in July
in Maine.
Valete, Lucius Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:31:59 -0400 |
|
Salvete Dexippe et alii
Doesn't the Nova Roma Vestal charter call for Vestals to be celibate for one
year? Or does it actually say that only virgins need apply? It's two
different things altogether.
Somehow, I think that we'll have a problem filling the Vestal Order at least
until we have a pool of citizens numbering in the thousands. It's a big
commitment. That doesn't diminish its worth, though.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
From: "Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
>
> "Where the HELL am I going to find a virgin in 20th century America?"
>
>
> --Dexippus
>
>
HECK!! I can think of one!! Also, I have been under the
understanding that if a person abstains from sexual activity for, say
7 years, they may consider themselves a virgin once again.
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:35:01 -0400 |
|
Salvete Atalante et alii
>From: Atalante <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197028114122082198015171190036129" >pythie@--------</a>
>
>
>I had heard once, from good source, that virginity hasn't the same meaning
>in the old time (Ancient World) and now.
>
>Pythie Odysseii Atalante
>
Well, I can't be the only one who's curious. What did virginity mean in the
old time?
>
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
Atalante pythie@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 08 Jun 1999 17:53:19 -0400 |
|
At 17:35 08/06/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
>Salvete Atalante et alii
>
>
>
>>From: Atalante <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197028114122082198015171190036129" >pythie@--------</a>
>>
>
>>
>>I had heard once, from good source, that virginity hasn't the same meaning
>>in the old time (Ancient World) and now.
>>
>>Pythie Odysseii Atalante
>>
>
>
>Well, I can't be the only one who's curious. What did virginity mean in the
>old time?
>>
>Valete
>
>Gaius Marius Merullus
>
>
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It is a bit an distant memory but what I remember is that virginity was
more for umarried young woman, just before wedding. And I think they may
had some sexual encounter (but I think if it was not told. And if a child
came, the woman tell it was because she slept with a god). But I am very
unsure. I think I saw that in one book...
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| Subject: |
Re: Fw: Warning on Potential New Virus and Ami "beer" |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 08 Jun 1999 16:59:22 -0700 |
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You're a hard man, Martianus!
Ericius.
Thomas Gangale wrote:
>
>
> Salvete, omnes.
>
> What's even worse, there seems to be no cure in sight for those millions of Americans
> who have contracted a tasted for drinking pisswater like Budweiser instead of decent
> beer. I say, let their hard drives crash!
>
> Martianus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucius [mailto:<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:41 AM
> To: Helena Equitia Ovidia; Dick & Nancy Maynard; Quintus Darius Macro;
> Ronni Jones; TONY Hopp; OSCM(SW) Richard Hopp; Quintus Equitius
> Frontinus; DeeDee Free; Tiberius Equitius Caecus; Gaius Equitius
> Arminius; Primus Equitius Accipiter; <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> Subject: [novaroma] Fw: Warning on Potential New Virus
>
> From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cope, Tracy <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=137233104056059135156082190036" >CopeT@--------</a>
> To: '<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>' <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>; '<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=219166047056158162138098186056114239071048139" >caf--------ait@--------</a>'
> <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=219166047056158162138098186056114239071048139" >caf--------ait@--------</a>
> Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 12:47 PM
> Subject: FW: Warning on Potential New Virus
>
> >Hi Mike,
> >I got this message forwarded to me today.
> >
> >> Subject: New virus
> >>
> >> Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver, the Budweiser
> >> Frogs "BUDDYLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose everything!!!
> >> Your hard drive will crash and someone from the Internet will get your
> >> screen name and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
> >> IT JUST WENT INTO circulation yesterday, as far as we know. Please
> >> distribute this message. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many
> >> people know about it. This information was announced yesterday morning
> >> from Microsoft. Please share it with everyone that might access the
> >> Internet. Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book
> so
> >> that this may be stopped. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous
> virus
> >> and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please practice
> >> cautionary measures and forward this to all your on line friends.
> >>
> >
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Virus and Venator |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:15:41 -0500 (CDT) |
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On 06/08/99 16:59:22 you wrote:
>
>You're a hard man, Martianus!
>
>Ericius.
Hey, I'm with him on this!
I'm not even a beer drinker, but I'm astute enough to know that you SHOULD be drinking Venator's home-
brewed ale instead!
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy, Human and Divine |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:17:40 -0500 (CDT) |
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On 06/08/99 17:31:59 you wrote:
>
>From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
>Salvete Dexippe et alii
>
>Doesn't the Nova Roma Vestal charter call for Vestals to be celibate for one
>year? Or does it actually say that only virgins need apply? It's two
>different things altogether.
Celibate during the term of her service as a Vestal, however long that may be, but at least for a year.
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: Fw: Warning on Potential New Virus and Ami "beer" |
| From: |
"Publius Phillipus Varrus" legate@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:17:37 -0400 |
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To those of us in Canada, we consider all American beers to be 'training beers'...
Publius Phillipus Varrus
----- Original Message -----
From: Razenna
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Fw: Warning on Potential New Virus and Ami "beer"
You're a hard man, Martianus!
Ericius.
Thomas Gangale wrote:
Salvete, omnes.
What's even worse, there seems to be no cure in sight for those millions of Americans who have contracted a tasted for drinking pisswater like Budweiser instead of decent beer. I say, let their hard drives crash!
Martianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Vestals |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:25:43 -0500 (CDT) |
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On 06/08/99 17:53:19 you wrote:
>It is a bit an distant memory but what I remember is that virginity was
>more for umarried young woman, just before wedding. And I think they may
>had some sexual encounter (but I think if it was not told. And if a child
>came, the woman tell it was because she slept with a god). But I am very
>unsure. I think I saw that in one book...
>
>
>-------------
>Atalante la Pythie
><a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/8946" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/8946</a>
You were misinformed.
Virginity meant exactly what it means now. If you want to be technical, the hymen was intact.
It is not inconceivable that we will eventually have a candidate for the Vestal Order that encompasses all
the requirements, including that one. We just don't have one now.
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: American "beer?" |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:29:03 -0700 |
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Hailsa Allir!
ROTFLMAO!!!
> Publius Phillipus Varrus wrote:
>
> To those of us in Canada, we consider all American beers to be
> 'training beers'...
>
> Publius Phillipus Varrus
Mille Gratias from an American home brewer.
In Amicus - Venator Duospiritus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Razenna
> To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Fw: Warning on Potential New Virus and
> Ami "beer"
>
> You're a hard man, Martianus!
>
> Ericius.
>
> Thomas Gangale wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salvete, omnes.
> >
> > What's even worse, there seems to be no cure in sight for
> > those millions of Americans who have contracted a tasted for
> > drinking pisswater like Budweiser instead of decent beer. I
> > say, let their hard drives crash!
> >
> > Martianus
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: American "beer?" |
| From: |
"Publius Phillipus Varrus" legate@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:32:50 -0400 |
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Give me a nice gritty glass of Guiness that I can eat with a fork any day...
This diverts me to a related topic...the sort of wine that Roman drank on a
daily basis. What sort of drink was it? I seem to remember reading that it
was weaker and fruitier than our current wines ( more like an alcoholized
grape juice ) and was often drunk watered down...
Publius Varrus
----- Original Message -----
From: Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] American "beer?"
> From: Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
>
> Hailsa Allir!
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!
>
> > Publius Phillipus Varrus wrote:
> >
> > To those of us in Canada, we consider all American beers to be
> > 'training beers'...
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: American "beer?" |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:19:53 EDT |
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In a message dated 6/8/99 5:33:50 PM Pacific Daylig--------ime, <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178237175198015199190036129" >legate@--------</a>
writes:
<< I seem to remember reading that it
was weaker and fruitier than our current wines ( more like an alcoholized
grape juice ) and was often drunk watered down... >>
LOL!
You watered it, because it had consistancy of, and tasted like Tupentine.
QFM
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| Subject: |
Roman wine, was American "beer?" |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:22:33 -0700 |
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Ave Publius Phillipus!
I hope your efforts to form a Legion are proceeding apace.
I like the Mackeson's Triple and Samuel Smith's Oatmeal or Imperial stouts.
The Guiness is fine, also; especially from the keg!
My great-grandfather Michael Patrick Burke used to begin each day with a
pint of stout with three raw eggs broken into it as a breakfast drink. He
finally died at age 89 of the Black Lung (he was a deep rock coal miner as a
young man and later worked 30 years in a tire plant [retiring at age 83].)
The doctor told my grandmother that had the coal and rubber dust not gotten
him, Michael Burke would likely have broken the century mark.
To your question...
We have many great advantages that our ancestors of honored memory did not:
sanitation, consistent grapes, known strains of yeast (more even tempered
and more alcohol resistant), refrigeration, good cooking temperature
control, the means of testing sugar/acid/alkalai/etceteras levels, excellent
and inexpensive bottles/corks...
I would say that, save for mea comespiritu Audens' beloved Falernian, the
average table wine of Roma Antiqua would be more fit as a marinade than as a
beverage to be consumed with gusto. The ancient makers (AKAIK) did not
culture strains of yeasts but relied on open fermentation from the yeasts
present in the air. Strongly represented amongst these feral micro-beasts
are the aceto-bacteria, that is - the vinegar creating demons.
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman wine, was American "beer?" |
| From: |
"Publius Phillipus Varrus" legate@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:33:15 -0400 |
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The Guinness with 3 raw eggs has a strange sort of appeal to it :) I can
imagine being in the mood for that some mornings... sounds like it has the
makings of a hang over cure.
As for the Legion, I am still working alone, but still moving forward...
Hmmm, so assuming the average daily Roman wine tasted like American Beer,
what did the Roman's drink for pleasure then?
----- Original Message -----
From: Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:22 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Roman wine, was American "beer?"
> From: Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
>
> Ave Publius Phillipus!
>
> I hope your efforts to form a Legion are proceeding apace.
>
> I like the Mackeson's Triple and Samuel Smith's Oatmeal or Imperial
stouts.
> The Guiness is fine, also; especially from the keg!
> My great-grandfather Michael Patrick Burke used to begin each day with a
> pint of stout with three raw eggs broken into it as a breakfast drink. He
> finally died at age 89 of the Black Lung (he was a deep rock coal miner as
a
> young man and later worked 30 years in a tire plant [retiring at age 83].)
> The doctor told my grandmother that had the coal and rubber dust not
gotten
> him, Michael Burke would likely have broken the century mark.
>
> To your question...
>
> We have many great advantages that our ancestors of honored memory did
not:
> sanitation, consistent grapes, known strains of yeast (more even tempered
> and more alcohol resistant), refrigeration, good cooking temperature
> control, the means of testing sugar/acid/alkalai/etceteras levels,
excellent
> and inexpensive bottles/corks...
>
> I would say that, save for mea comespiritu Audens' beloved Falernian, the
> average table wine of Roma Antiqua would be more fit as a marinade than as
a
> beverage to be consumed with gusto. The ancient makers (AKAIK) did not
> culture strains of yeasts but relied on open fermentation from the yeasts
> present in the air. Strongly represented amongst these feral micro-beasts
> are the aceto-bacteria, that is - the vinegar creating demons.
>
> From my reading, the wine was rather "thick" by modern standards. Usually
> water was used to "cut" the wine, sometimes even seawater.
>
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| Subject: |
Re: American "beer?" |
| From: |
BenBorgo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:37:29 EDT |
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In a message dated 6/8/99 5:33:52 PM Pacific Daylig--------ime, <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178237175198015199190036129" >legate@--------</a>
writes:
<< he sort of wine that Roman drank on a
daily basis. What sort of drink was it? I seem to remember reading that it
was weaker and fruitier than our current wines ( more like an alcoholized
grape juice ) and was often drunk watered down...
>>
Salve!
If I'm not mistaken wine in ancient times was much stronger than it is now,
that's why they watered it down. The Greeks called 'raw wine' Akratos, but
I'm not sure what we called it. Wine in the past often had peices of grapes
and other vine materials floating in it. Because of the various ingredients
added during brewing, there were many differant 'flavored' wines. They didn't
have Red and White, they had black, white, and amber. Not only was it watered
down but was also heated and spiced. In Greece anyway, drinking undiluted
wine was considered barbaric. If I remember right, they had a very specific
formula for the mixture of wine and water. I remember reading that the wine
and the water were symbolic of a poison and its antidote.
I really know little about Roman brewing, but Nova Roma has a Sodalitas
dedicated to the preparation of food and beverage. If you want to know more
check out the Via Romana section of our website under Sodalist(associations).
You might ask Venator also, as he seems to be our authority on such things,
and I believe is still heading this Sodalist. Hope I could help!
Roma vincit omnia!
Vale,
G.Tarquinius Caesar
Promotor Fidei
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| Subject: |
Re: Sex and Celibacy,Human and Divine |
| From: |
Greta Goring gretagoring@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 08 Jun 1999 18:57:16 PDT |
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It's a crying shame that my aunt in Wisconsin
is not interested in Nova Roma.
You will not find more of a VIRGIN in 20th
Century America!
(She has never even held hands with a male.)
Believe it or not!
-Helena Equitia Ovidia
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| Subject: |
augury! |
| From: |
Patrick Dunn saevvs@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:30:56 PDT |
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>Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:00:57 EDT
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
>Subject: Re: a wedding!
>
>You're fine for June 18!
>
>I did the augery during my lunch break. All is a go! : )
>
>--Dexippus
Really, Dexippe, you *should* make more of a production of augury, otherwise
*everyone* will want to do it! :) *grins* If it ever gets out that we can
do it during our lunch breaks, well. . . woe betide the republic!
(j/k)
M. Gladius Saevus, Augur et cetera
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| Subject: |
Vestals |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:37:24 -0500 (CDT) |
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I'm really distressed by this whole discussion on the list, for a couple of reasons.
First, that virginity should be taking center stage. There are more important issues to the worship of Vesta,
and that's only one of them. And that the entire discussion has degenerated into such silliness and triviality.
Once the charter was approved by the Pontifices, the issue of who is and who isn't a Vestal falls to the Chief
Vestal and the Pontifex Maximus. It is not a popularity contest and will not be decided here.
This should NOT be a issue on the list any more. We went through all this when we were hammering out
the Charter, and also way before that.
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: Digest Number 414 |
| From: |
Patrick Dunn saevvs@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:41:30 PDT |
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>Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:32:50 -0400
> From: "Publius P--------ipus Varrus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178237175198015199190036129" >legate@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: American "beer?"
>
>Give me a nice gritty glass of Guiness that I can eat with a fork any
>day...
>
>This diverts me to a related topic...the sort of wine that Roman drank on a
>daily basis. What sort of drink was it? I seem to remember reading that it
>was weaker and fruitier than our current wines ( more like an alcoholized
>grape juice ) and was often drunk watered down...
>
>Publius Varrus
>
>
I must be Roman at heart; I've never liked beer, foreign or domestic (I'm an
American, so domestic means "bad"). I'd love it if someone has dug up a
recipe for this wine; it'd be great as an offering to the gods, not to
mention the fact that I love wine.
M. Gladius Saevus
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| Subject: |
Re: augury! |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:48:43 -0700 |
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Salvete Augures!
What are the methods the state Augurs of Nova Roma use?
Inquiring Quirites and all that stuff...
Bene valete.
Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Re: American "beer?" |
| From: |
Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:11:22 -0700 (PDT) |
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--- Publius P--------ipus Varrus <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178237175198015199190036129" >legate@--------</a> wrote:
> Give me a nice gritty glass of Guiness that I can eat with a fork any day...
Ohhh yes, you said it....
Irish beer is *good* bear.
-Andrea Gladia Kyrinia
Guinness and Harp fan. :>
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| Subject: |
Winemaking |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:25:40 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Actually wine is really pretty easy to make. After I retired from the
Navy and was going to college, I got interested in making wine. I got a
wine making book, and the first chapter indicated the fast way to get
started. If you happened to buy about 2 bushells of fruit on the way
back from a weekend picnic, that were really on the verge of turning bad
and you did n't know what to do with the mess, here is the "secret.":
Take the fruit, tomatoes, berries, raisins, dried fruit, etc. that you
have, chop it up and put it into a clean 20 gallon to 40 gallon
(depending on quantity of produce) plastic garbage can, add an equal
amount of water, a pound of sugar and a cube of yeast. Cover the
trashcan with a plastic cover fastened under the lip of the can with a
large rubber band. Put in the garage and let it "cook" for about two
weeks. That should give you enough time to read the next steps, and get
some equipment. Adjust the amount of water and sugar. After two weeks
the raw wine will develop a heavy "cap" of vegetable matter, and there
will be a lot of sediment on the bottom of the can. The trick here is
to syphon off the raw wine into a glass container without getting any of
the "cap" or sediment, which is pretty hard to do. You may have to
syphon it a couple of times to get it fairly clear. It is obvious that
the effort it takes to get all this stuff out of the wine is excessive
in many of the more "provincial" blends, which are a little more "chewy"
than your normal store bought wine.
Once in the fermentation container, you put it under a fermentation
lock, a gadget that alllows the wine to vent the pressure, through a
bubbler, of the gas generated by the process. The wine is held in the
container until there is no more gas generated and then the wine can be
bottled and left for at least 6 months (less if you like yeasty wine!!!)
There are several other steps along the way if you are fussy, like
clearing the wine with fines, checking the alcoholic content, and adding
sugar for increased alcohol (I just added grain alcohol or a fruit
brandy) and stopping the fermentation process. With the short procedure
you get wine that has 7 to 8 % alcohol. Fortified wine is just wine
with brandy added to it, which makes a much whizzier drink!!!
When I was in San Diego, I got so caught up in the making of the wine
that I made about 50 gallons, bottled it and applied my own labels, and
then realized I didn't really care for it, so I bequeathed the whole
stock to the College History Club as a gift from the ex-president. The
way those college kids guzzled that stuff, made me feel pretty good, but
I suspect it was not the bouquet, but rather the alcoholic content that
they were after!!!
I am equally sure that this is not the recipe that Venator would
recommend, as he is a skilled vintner, and not a drunk sailor, I
appreciate your comments about the Falernian my friend, but the silk
purse has sow's ear all around the edges. I will say that it is a quick
way to a fairly cheap hangover, unless you go directly to the grain
alcohol, and then you deserve what you get!!!!!
"Yo ho ho and a bottle of wine (rum, scotch, rye, etc,) 16 men on a
heavy old chest!!!!!!!!!!"
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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