Subject: Re: OT: Links on personal Pages
From: Pythia kingan@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:04:58 -0700


Megas-Robinson wrote:

>
>
> This includes a pretty friendly, occassional correspondance with members of
> some pretty heavy duty Volkish (which term IS different from Folkish, even
> counting semantic distinctions) Wotanist (as differed from Odinist, Odian,
> Asatru, Skertru, Vanatru, Wiccatru, etc.) organizations and some in the
> "fluffy-bunny" Wicca-lite Universalist fringes.
>

With all due respect Venator, it seems the Nordic followers have this problem a
bit more than others.
I know i have opened a can of worms, and I am letting you all know in advance
that for the next week I will be offine and not able to answer or participate. I
don't want anyone to think I am shrinking back from this .

Pythia




Subject: Re: Purists (was Links...)
From: Pythia kingan@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:26:40 -0700


<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174166082206158174112154175101114253071048139" >M--------Rom--------...</--------; wrote:

>
>
> Is it wrong to be purist?? *I* don't think so. I am friend to more than one
> Purist and I am proud to have them as friends. They look at me as an
> indivual, not as my race(s). What I do is of little concern to them.
>
> I think I have made enough nonsense for one day.

ok, so you go look at the link on Germanicus' site that ticked me off and THEN
tell me about purists....
Just because someone takes pride in their culture and it's accomplishments does't
ever excuse bigotry, or bogus rationaizations for it.

Pythia, (probably alienating everybody.....)




Subject: Re: Purists (was Links...)
From: Pythia kingan@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:13:16 -0700


<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 4/17/99 10:22:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
> writes:
>
> > ok, so you go look at the link on Germanicus' site that ticked me off and
> > THEN
> > tell me about purists....
> > Just because someone takes pride in their culture and it's accomplishments
> > does't
> > ever excuse bigotry, or bogus rationaizations for it.
> >
> > Pythia, (probably alienating everybody.....)
>
> Well, your addendum to your sig *does* make a good point. I would inquire as
> to why a links page of another orbanization is of ANY business to the Nova
> Roma list. I would inquire why one link on a page comprised over over 200
> *happened * to catch your eye.

As I said, Serena...it *is* the second link on the list, afterall.....

Pythia






Subject: Re: Purists (was Links...)
From: Pythia kingan@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:06:31 -0700


<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 4/17/99 2:08:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
> writes:
>
> > As I said, Serena...it *is* the second link on the list, afterall.....
> >
> > Pythia
>
> Yes, that part does make sense to me. I looked back at the links page and
> saw as much as well. That does not, however, answer the larger point of my
> post which was......why go to the list and not the person directly you took
> issue with? I still find that intriguing and stand by the points I made in
> my original post.
>

I did it because I regard it as a serious lapse of judgement, and I felt it was
important.

Pythia




Subject: Re: Purists
From: Pythia kingan@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:03:35 -0700


Pascal Thiele wrote:

&g--------rom: &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=180056219163082131036067066024166165018048139046" &g--------ckifiknow@--------&l--------&g--------Pascal Thiele) >
> Salve,
>
> First, I think we should discuss (nearly) everything in public, for we
> try to reestablish old roman ways and life toke place on the forum(
> i.e.in the public) in ancient times.
> Second, what does it mean to be proud of ones origin? As a German I have
> great problems talking of pride in ones race and keeping it "pure" .
> This leads ALWAYS into big troubles. The Gods made us the way we are,
> black, white, red, big-nosed, short, bright, dull. It happened all by
> chance. And you can only be proud of something that you have achieved
> for yourself and by yourself.

I whole heartedly agree with everything you have said here.

> I know that you Americans have other
> feelings.

No I don't think so...most of us believe in earned merit.

Pythia




Subject: Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name?
From: Pythia kingan@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:06:09 -0700



>
>
> ................ and question the reasons for such
> links on our Senator's page.
>
> --Dexippus
>

This is the reason I made this a public posting.

Pythia




Subject: Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name?
From: Pythia kingan@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:58:42 -0700


Tinnekke Bebout wrote:

> From: "Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Omnes
>
> I have to agree with Serena on this. We may or may not like what
> someone has on their homepage, but if it is NOT a NovaRoma page, then
> it's a personal matter between yourself and the webmaster in
> question, and not a matter for the NovaRomani.
>

So the fact that he is a Senator doesn't come into it?

Pythia




Subject: Until next time, good afternoon, good evening and goodnight!
From: Pythia kingan@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:18:28 -0700
I will be away until 4/25. See you then;-)


Pythia

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Subject: Re: Purists
From: "Gaius Marius Merullus" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:09:51 -0400
Salvete Luci Metelle et alii



:From: &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=180056219163082131036067066024166165018048139046" &g--------ckifiknow@--------&l--------&g--------Pascal Thiele)
:
:
:First, I think we should discuss (nearly) everything in public, for we
:try to reestablish old roman ways and life toke place on the forum(
:i.e.in the public) in ancient times.

Well, I appreciate what you're saying, but just keep in mind the different
medium of communication that we are using. Instead of travelling to a
physical place to gather and speak our minds on a special occasion, we are
typing messages from computers to which we have regular, in some cases
almost constant, access. Hence we are in a position to inject any and all
topics into our discussons and get monstrously off-track, while also lacking
body language and facial cues to judge the moods/intentions of others in the
forum. For these reasons at least we need to think a bit about the subject
of our discourse and limit it in lines established by our magistrates.

:Second, what does it mean to be proud of ones origin? As a German I have
:great problems talking of pride in ones race and keeping it "pure" .
:This leads ALWAYS into big troubles.

I think that what you have written is true. As I have said before, we have
a chance here in Nova Roma to build a society that truly ignores
stereotypes, false dichotomies and other irrelevant distinctions.

Vivamus unus populus Let us live as one people.
:
:Vale
:
:Lucius Metellus
:
Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus




Subject: Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name?
From:
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:00:51 EDT
In a message dated 99-04-17 23:07:45 EDT, you write:

> Let me say this nice and slowly for you "Crys".
> 1) she should have contacted Germanicus because it HIS links page she
> supposedly has such a *problem* with
> 2) rather than state asanine "television show related" theories...try
> talking
> to me. I assure you there is QUITE a difference between myself and my
> husband.
>

Sure is ... your a bigger man than he is.


> If *you* have a problem with Germanicus not posting on this issue today
> consider the following......1) he has been out of the house since 4pm at
an
>
> event and 2) he likely is as sick of drivel such as you just posted as I
am.
>
> Which brings us once again to my main point...why exactly is this relevant
> to
> Nova Roma? ::scratching head:: Oh, that's right.....it isn't. LOL Take
> some advice honey...cease the attempts at divisiveness and move
> along.......right now all you are doing is wasting everyone's time.
>

Your wife seems to always be absent when he's called on the carpet.


> Priscilla Serena Vedia
>
> Oh.and Crys honey.....I suggest ya try e-mailing me direct. Would have
been
>
> best in Pyhtia's case and sure as heck would be in yours. ::shaking head::

Now hon chile, why would I do that? You people are hardly worth the time it
takes to copy and paste.

Crys




Subject: Re: Religious Rituals (was: No Blood?)
From:
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:06:05 -0400
Salvete, Omnes

Let me make this clear from the start. There are no plans to hold Rites
or Rituals involving the use of 'blood sacrifice' within 'official' NovaRoma
events Or private events by me or anyone I know. This is serious to me as
well as many others and I respect their right to belive as they do.

>Cincinnatus:
> >As for "Laws", I've never seen any laws passed. Where are they Posted??
>Cassius:
>There are in fact no laws or rules in the documentation of Nova Roma
strictly
>forbidding animal sacrifice.

Lucius Equitius: Thank you for clarifying this.
>
>Cincinnatus:
> >Personally, the other day was the first time I ever heard that the
Religio
> Romana would not have sacrifice in the way of the Romans. Even though we
are
> in no way able (At The Present Time) to do any such things, to forbid
> sacrifice forever flies in the face of why Nova Roma was begun. It is
stated
> that ...
>
>Cassius:
>The idea that forbidding blood sacrifice as part of Nova Roman rites 'flies
>forever in the face of why Nova Roma was begun' is strictly your own
>interpretation, I'm afraid.
>
Lucius Equitius: I would not say that everyone agrees with me, anymore than
you should imply that I am the only one who "interprets" the following in
the same way I do.

> "As the spiritual heir to the Republic of ancient Rome, Nova Roma shall
> endeavor to exist, in all manners practical and acceptable, as the modern
> restoration of the ancient Roman Republic. The culture, religion, and
> society of Nova Roma shall be patterned upon those of ancient Rome."
>
>Cassius:
>I think "all manners practical and acceptable" covers the topic of blood
>sacrifice quite completely, myself.

Lucius Equitius: Your interpretation, there's two. Anyone else care to
interpret just what "all manners practical and acceptable" means? sounds
ambiguous to me. However, "The culture, religion, and society of Nova Roma
shall be patterned upon those of ancient Rome." this seems at least a little
more concrete, to me.
>
>Cincinnatus:
>> The Supreme Court of the United States in the case of 'Church of
> the Lukumi Babalu Aye, Inc., et al, v. City of Hialeah. decided June 11,
> 1993' in favor of the employment of animal sacrifice. So, after having
> gotten the proper permits, sacrifice is permissible in the US.
>
>Cassius:
>Yes, after years in court, the religion of Santeria won this landmark case.


Lucius Equitius: Thus, our rights are preserved!
>
>Cincinnatus:
> > Having said this, I in no way think that Nova Roma rites should be
> Public events, spectacles for Joe Public to condemn. Sacrifices are NOT
> spectacles for you or me or Joe Public, sacrifices are for the Gods. The
> feasts afterwards are for people!
>
>Cassius:
>This seems to say that it would be fine for Nova Roma to hold gatherings in
>which animal sacrifice would be included, so long as the killing of the
>animals was done in private by the priesthood away from public eye. I
>personally do not agree.

Lucius Equitius: Kind of like going to the grocery store only fresher AND we
get thank the God(s) too!

Cassius: As Pontifex Maximus I will fight strongly against
>ANY such official approval and inclusion of sacrifice. My opinion is that
it
>would lead the vast majority of the world to turn away from the Religio
>Romana in disgust.

Lucius Equitius: Then maybe they are not really interested in the Religion
of the Romans or they are disgusted by it anyway. Or maybe the "vast
majority" will turn away because we would be offering another 'weak'
imitation of something real.
>
>Cincinnatus:
>> Now, My opinion is that if you eat ANY animal matter (veggie or
> whatever) you are participating in the taking of life. Deal with it!
>
>Cassius:
>I'm not certain that the issue here is simply the lives of animals, though
>that would surely be a focus of public outrage against us if we did
>officially include blood sacrifice within Nova Roma.

Lucius Equitius: I am not so concerned with the "public", as I am with the
Gods.
>
Cassius:
>The real issue is whether or not blood sacrifice is desirable, or even
>necessary within the Religio Romana.

Lucius Equitius: Well, the Romans seemed to have thought so!

Cassius:
>There were MANY other historically
>acceptible offerings to the gods besides animal sacrifice. Traditional
Roman
>worship is easily accomplished without its inclusion into the rites.

Lucius Equitius: Yes, there are many things that are acceptable to the Gods.
I have never said otherwise.
>
Cassius:
>When Nova Roma was founded, the intent was clear: We wanted to restore the
>best aspects of the ancient Roman world as far as is practical. That
intent,
>expressed through our Web site and in our founding documents,...

Lucius Equitius: Who are the "We" you are referring to? Seems to me that
Germanicus was as surprized as I was.
Germanicus:<< The Collegium Pontificum banned blood sacrifice in Nova Roma?
<<When did his happen?
>
Cassius:
>Animal sacrifice was another of the practices we judged to be inappropriate
>in the modern world. With all respect for the right of Cincinnatus or any
>other Citizen to do as he likes in his private worship, my sincere hope is
>that it will not become a part of Nova Roma in any organized way.
>Valete, Marcus Cassius Julianus
>Pontifiex Maximus

Lucius Equitius: Since 'we' don't have a physical presence then perhaps this
is a discussion we can leave until a time when we can meet in person on our
own
land(s). Certainly, I'm not going to hold "Suovetaurilia" (sacrifice a pig,
a sheep and a bull) to Mars on my balcony! However, we are too early in our
development to forever burn bridges, Pontificies, by forbidding an important
part of worship.

Valete, Flamen Martialis Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus

PS this is the complete URL of the webpage M Cassius was referring to.
<a href="http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/OM/MS-S.txt" target="_top" >http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/OM/MS-S.txt</a>
"The Sacrificial Knife," ( Marcus Sulla ) available
on the Omphalos web siteThis Sulla (Not OUR Sulla!) not only proclaims that
live sacrifice is critical to the practice of Roman religion, but also
seriously maintains that the world is flat. ;)"

Lucius Equitius: The last bit about the earth being flat I saw no evidence
of.




Subject: BTW (on a positive note)
From:
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:14:12 EDT
Salve,

I got so busy updating the website I forgot to post that the site has won yet
a third award. And it is basically done (well, as done as these things get
for me -- which means I'm still working my arse off on it).

Crys (3 time award winner -- I always wanted to say that)



Subject: Re: BTW (on a positive note)
From:
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:24:02 EDT
In a message dated 99-04-18 01:15:35 EDT, you write:

> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
> Congrats on your third award! :) Now when will the fourth one be coming?
;)

Gee, I don't know. I have mostly been joining webrings and I got the guy who
runs the Roman Sites pages to add he Sodalis. I admit I'm proud that he had
to create a category -- means my site is still unique (nice to have that
standing as the ONLY web site that dedicates itself to the children of
Ancient Rome <G>).

Anyhoo, I haven't thought of awards too much the last couple days. *I* know
how special the site is <G>.

Crys (still DAMN proud of herself)



Subject: Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name?
From:
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:24:52 EDT
In a message dated 4/18/99 1:01:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174166082206158174112154175101114253071048139" >M--------Rom--------...</--------; writes:

> Sure is ... your a bigger man than he is.
>

LOL Okay folks. Now that Crys has decended firmly into the realm of
personal attacks with no merit I will call a moratorium on replying to her.
Especially someone who mere hours ago posted the equally inane thoughts that
although she has no quarrel with Germanicus' stands on anything or his work
so far..she doesn't like him.

Gee whiz, anyone who makes such intelligent arguments ("never met ya and have
no reason to dislike ya...but I do") LOL I think it is time she is *plonked*
into the ol' kill file.

Priscilla Vedia Serena

PS For those who doubt my *reality* as Germanicus' wife..feel free to ask
Patricia and Cassuis..we had a grand old time in Boston together just about a
year ago now.



Subject: German Pride
From: SFP55@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:08:29 EDT
Salvete!

It was with some growing incredibility that I have watched this growing cat
fight between women of Roma. Being a third generation German/American, (my
family fought on both sides of WWII) I had relatives in the Waffen SS (1st SS
Div). I don't think they took part in a sonderkommando, but if they did, I
could only condemn them for what they did, but I certainly would not prevent
people from studying about them. Just like if Sulla's realitives were in the
Stern or Igrun gangs in Palestine in the late 40s, I'd not hold that against
him. It seems to me that none but Nova Roma topics should really be
discussed on this list, and women being catty to one another
is something we all really can do without. If Germanicus wants to link to an
Ayran website, that is really none of our business. The question then must
be asked, does Germanicus have Roma's interests at heart no matter what his
personal feelings. Since he helped start this whole organization the answer
has to be yes.
And that should be the end of it. I hope this is the last word on the
subject.
Valete!
Q. Fabius.



Subject: Re: Purists
From: "Nathan Hicks" moman@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:18:10 -0400

>Hello?? Rather than give vent to an argument that has no merit...
>try going back and reading all of the posts. Germanicus has a link
> (ONE of over 200) on a private website that Pythia found issue with.
>If from that you get that Germanicus has some hate-fest going....LOL
>Sorry

Whew! I was sweating for a minute.


> Sorry but you have just bought stock in the "Pythia wants to start
>trouble" campaign. Hope your dividends work out for you!


As for stock, I don't play the market, however much others may incline to
excessive bullishness.










Subject: Re: Purists
From: heckifiknow@--------)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:24:11 +0200
Salve,
Ok. So some of you think we should leave this topic. I know it is hard
to face the ugly face of humankind, but here in Germany many thought we
should never again talk about what happened in nazi-times, simply forget
about it.
But look where it leads us. Everywhere in Germany we have to face new,
very violent neo-nazis and racists. In my hometown,Solingen, there was a
turkish family murdered by some teenage racists just a few years ago.
And now many solingen citizens are calling that we should forget about
it.Why? Shall it always go on like this? We have to face racism, nazis,
if we want some day live in peace together.
I will tolerate everyones opinion until he/she oversteps the law.But
everyone should remember that there are others who might be encouraged
to go to extremes, to take actions against what they hate and that those
of us who expressed such thinks are partially responsible for the
actions of others.
Some of you think that everyone has the right to hate what they
want.Well, I accept that everyone likes something or not , but to hate
is this really good of reasonable ,intelligent , educated people. Hate
is the well from which everything evil does flow.
Curious that those people ask for tolerance who demand of others to be
quiet. I ask where is their tolerance?
We will never be quiet just because some donīt like to haer the truth.

As for Nazis: ask my grandma how tolerant they were when they beat her
up while she was pregnant!

But now: CONGRATULATIONS CRYS for your third award( You have every
right to be proud of you)



Vale

Lucius Metellus






Subject: Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name?
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 07:37:56 -0500 (CDT)
On 04/17/99 23:06:49 you wrote:
>
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------;
>
>In a message dated 4/17/99 8:00:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
><--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174166082206158174112154175101114253071048139" >M--------Rom--------...</--------; writes:
>
>> Why contact Germanicus? His wife does all the talking for him.
>>
>> Crys (X-files-type-theory = Germanicus' wife IS Germanicus)
>>
>
>Okay.....::removing gloves:: excuse me???? This is among the most asanine
>posts I have ever had the displeasure to witness on this list!

That was the funniest post I have ever had the pleasure to witness on this
list!

Crys, you're an eeeevil woman.
>
>Oh.and Crys honey.....I suggest ya try e-mailing me direct. Would have
been
>best in Pyhtia's case and sure as heck would be in yours. ::shaking head::

Although you notice that Priscilla didn't reply by e-mail to anyone's post!

-- Flavia Claudia







Subject: Re: male pride
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 07:43:58 -0500 (CDT)
On 04/18/99 03:08:29 you wrote:
>
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
>Salvete!
>
>It was with some growing incredibility that I have watched this growing cat
>fight between women of Roma.

Is this a sexist remark or what?
Weren't you here during all the previous non-NR, off-topic arguments f the
past year, mostly between men and not nearly as funny?

Oh,I forgot. When a WOMAN does it, it's catty. When a MAN does it, it's a
philosophical argument.

-- Flavia Claudia





Subject: Eagle deadlines
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:28:27 -0500 (CDT)
To all of you who have contributed articles for the May Eagle...thank you!
They're up to your usual high standards of interesting, informative work, and
I'm grateful to you. For April, we have another article on Roman engineering,
a poem by Thomas Hardy, and a Hymn To Jupiter in both English and Latin (if
anyone would like to translate it into any other language for the April Eagle,
just ask and I'll send it to you.) Also looking forward to Dexie's auguries
and Venator's goodies!

For those of you who have something you'd like to contribute, please remember
that the deadlines are the 25th of each month (preferably earlier).

Thanks!

Flavia Claudia





Subject: Racial Hygiene
From: Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
Salvete, Omnes

1. Almost everyone has two parents, four grangparents, eight
great-grandparents, et cetera.

2. By extrapolating powers of two, it can be mathematically demonstrated
that each of us had one billion ancestors alive in the year 1200.

3. However, the human population did not reach one billion until some time
in the 1800s.

4. Thus, anyone who thinks he or she is racially pure is:
a) quite possibly misinformed, or
b) quite obviously a congenital idiot.

5. Every European has a Roman in the woodpile... Heil this!

6. Same goes for North Africans and Middle Easterners.

7. Homo sapiens sapiens started out from equatoriat East Africa on the most
successful world tour ever in approximately 35,000 B.C.E.

8. The play dates for Homo sapiens sapiens' world tour cannot fit on a
single T-shirt, but everyone's 140,000th great-grandmother had to go pee
behind the bushes.

8. WHAT IN THE HELL HAS GOTTEN INTO YOU PEOPLE?

9. Item 8 is a rhetorical question. If you respond, you are probably
Category 4b.

Valete,

Marcus Martianus Gangalius
-------------
Tom and Gail Gangale
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm</a>
Mars Society California
The Martian Time Web Site
The Martian Ministry of Culture
Bunny Hill (and Catsville Too)
The National Primary System
World GenWeb Calabria




Subject: Re: Listmom weighs in
From: Asseri@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:43:45 EDT
two simple words "thank you"

P.A. Aminah



Subject: Re: German Pride
From: MaNPaRoman@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:48:14 EDT
In a message dated 99-04-18 03:08:47 EDT, you write:

> If Germanicus wants to link to an
> Ayran website, that is really none of our business. The question then
must
> be asked, does Germanicus have Roma's interests at heart no matter what
his
> personal feelings. Since he helped start this whole organization the
answer
>
> has to be yes.
> And that should be the end of it. I hope this is the last word on the
> subject.
> Valete!
> Q. Fabius.

My issue is not with Germanicus' link. I couldn't care less what he thinks
or believes.

Crys



Subject: Re: male pride
From: MaNPaRoman@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:51:09 EDT
In a message dated 99-04-18 08:44:02 EDT, you write:

> Oh,I forgot. When a WOMAN does it, it's catty. When a MAN does it, it's a
> philosophical argument.
>
> -- Flavia Claudia


HISSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Crys (black cat and damn proud of it!!)



Subject: Re: Racial Hygiene
From: MaNPaRoman@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:54:57 EDT
In a message dated 99-04-18 09:31:45 EDT, you write:

> 8. WHAT IN THE HELL HAS GOTTEN INTO YOU PEOPLE?

We do this from time to time. Sorta lets off steam. We just don't have the
excuse of elections this time <G>.

Crys (just tryin to be honest)



Subject: HUMOR!!! BE WARNED Fw: This will blow your mind!
From: MaNPaRoman@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:57:48 EDT
Now THIS is catty. And pretty damn funny.

Crys




Subject: Re: Digest Number 355
From: "Samantha Porter" sam20_porter@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 07:14:17 PDT
Lucius Cornelius,
thank you for sharing this info with us. It helped me a lot. Did you know
that Lucius Cornelius is my favorite Roman? I guess I'll have to use a
roman name myself. How about Julia, Gayus Marius's wife? (as far as I
know none of Lucius Cornelius's wifes names is known today)
Samantha


>From: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Digest Number 355
>Date: 15 Apr 1999 07:16:32 -0000
>
>
>Looking for the perfect gift for a friend?
><a href="http://www.ONElist.com" target="_top" >http://www.ONElist.com</a>
>Tell them about ONElist's 115,000 free e-mail communities!
>
>There is 1 message in this issue.
>
> Topics in today's digest:
>
> 1. List of Censors
> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>
>__________________________________________________________
_____________________
>__________________________________________________________
_____________________
>
>Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:26:41 -0700
> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>Subject: List of Censors
>
>Salve, I have located a list of Censors of the Republic from 280 BC. I
>thought it might be of interest.
>
><a href="http://wwwtc.nhmccd.cc.tx.us/people/crf01/rome/censor.html" target="_top" >http://wwwtc.nhmccd.cc.tx.us/people/crf01/rome/censor.html</a>
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla
>Praetor Urbanus
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Roman Days
From: "Lucius" vergil@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:37:14 -0400
Salvete, Omnes
>
>Who besides the Cassii is attending?

Lucius Equitius: I'll be there Friday morning to wecome, help etc.

>Also, does anyone know of a good source for a canvas pavilion-type tent?
>We'd like to get one both for Nova Roma and for a Renaissance faire at
>which Cassius hopes to sell antiquities, and would prefer something that
>looked a little bit authentic.
>Patricia Cassia


I'm quite new to the reenactors scene but you could start by contacting
Kath----------------t-Hanna at <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243232114122158116172098203077129208071" >amthanna@--------</a> M--------ant Adv--------r-------- M--------val
Outfitters they have a nice tent and I'm sure they would be able to at least
point you in the right direction.

Valete, Lucius Equitius





Subject: Re: Mars Closest Approach
From: "Lucius" vergil@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:51:54 -0400
Salvete, Omnes.

Thanks for the 'heads up', M Martianus.

Valete, F Martialis L Equitius

<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/mars/calendar.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/mars/calendar.htm</a>
From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
>On the VIII Kal Maius (24 April), Mars will make his closest approach to
>Earth for the next two years. This should be a particularly auspicious
time
>to offer prayers to Mars.
>
>Valete,Marcus Martianus Gangalius





Subject: Re: Masada
From: Razenna razenna@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:13:32 -0700
The book sounds well worth looking into, Audens.
BTW the anniversary of the taking of Masada was the 14th past.

Ericius
(still packing his seabag)




Subject: Re: German Pride
From: JusticeCMO@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:27:27 EDT
In --------ss--------d-------- 4/18/99 3:09:15 AM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
writes:

> It seems to me that none but Nova Roma topics should really be
> discussed on this list, and women being catty to one another
> is something we all really can do without.

Thank you for your post. Upon sitting back and reflecting I see the wisdom
of your words...especially those above. I therefore wish to apologize to the
list for my part in helping this topic remain current.

All further replies, if any, will be sent privately. Thank you again.

Priscilla Vedia Serena



Subject: Re: Roman Days
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:09:48 -0500 (CDT)
On 04/18/99 10:37:14 you wrote:
>
>From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
>
>Salvete, Omnes
>>
>>Who besides the Cassii is attending?
>
>Lucius Equitius: I'll be there Friday morning to wecome, help etc.

I'll probably be there Friday also.

Is there camping allowed on the site? If so, is anyone else camping? I mean,
aside from your legionary leather tent? I love camping, and would rather do
that than the motel thing.

And...can we have directions again, please?

-- Flavia Claudia





Subject: Re: Roman Days
From: "Lucius" vergil@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:36:38 -0400
Salvete, Omnes iterum
>>>
>>>Who besides the Cassii is attending?
>>Lucius Equitius: I'll be there Friday morning to wecome, help etc.

>I'll probably be there Friday also.

Cool.
>
>Is there camping allowed on the site?

Yes, Quintus Darius Macro &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166014165146153033082190" >mamt@--------&--------a> commander of the Legio XX
is the event coordinator, he will answer any specific questions

If so, is anyone else camping?

I am not sure but I believe that there will also be a bunch of legionaries
driving up from Louisiana.

> I mean, aside from your legionary leather tent?
>I love camping, and would rather do that than the motel thing.
>
>And...can we have directions again, please?-- Flavia Claudia


The Nova Roma site is down now but the Directions are on the 'Current
Events' page.

Marietta Mansion is located at 5626 Bell Station Road, just off Rt.
193.
Subject: Re: SW Provincial Get-Together! (was: Texans)
From: MaNPaRoman@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:48:00 EDT
In a message dated 99-04-17 13:09:26 EDT, you write:

> The Festival runs
> roughly from mid-August to end of September and is located in Hawkwood
> Forest


OK!!!! We finally gave in and bought a van, so the 7 of us (Don, Crys,
Kacey, Andrew, Devin, Terry AND Lapis -- did I miss amyone?? <G>) will be
there either Aug 13, 14 and 15 (will it have started by then??) or the next
weekend (Aug 20, 21 and 22).

Roman garb probably won't be happening. I do cover my hair in public, but it
is usually with a beret (I could wear the military ones for the occassion
<G>) and that's about as Roman I get in the neighborhood of dress.

Crys (a 5 hour drive in a van with 5 kids -- maybe I really *AM* crazy!!!!!)



Subject: Re: Racial Hygiene
From: "Nathan Hicks" moman@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:49:29 -0400

-----Original Message-----
From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Cc: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 9:31 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Racial Hygiene


>From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
>Salvete, Omnes
>
>1. Almost everyone has two parents, four grangparents, eight
>great-grandparents, et cetera.
>
>2. By extrapolating powers of two, it can be mathematically demonstrated
>that each of us had one billion ancestors alive in the year 1200.


I reach 109 billion ancestors by that simple model... And it is a
bit too simple a model. You haven't allowed for shared ancestry
between parents. Until the modern age, a community may have
counted as little as two or three degrees of removal between all
its inhabitants. The number of unique ancestors for any person
is not so easily calculable--your argument falls flat. Possibly,
until the growth of large cities, an eight hundred year pedigree
may have yielded only some ten thousands of unique forebears,
all in the same locality. This is narrow enough, compared to the
maximum values you have mathematically determined, for one's
claiming a pure descent. In the big cities, however, the number
of unique forebears is, with every new generation, apt to increase
upon the model of an exponential curve: at first sharply increasing,
then slowly rounding off as their pedigree grows more diffuse and
shared segments in their ancestries more probable. Can you,
perhaps, mathematically simulate this for us?

>4. Thus, anyone who thinks he or she is racially pure is:
> a) quite possibly misinformed, or
> b) quite obviously a congenital idiot.
>
>8. WHAT IN THE HELL HAS GOTTEN INTO YOU PEOPLE?


Umm... Well, I had a bad slice of pizza yesterday...


>9. Item 8 is a rhetorical question. If you respond, you are probably
>Category 4b.


Doh!


Rusticus





Subject: Re: Racial Hygiene
From: Shawn Kelley discordianpirate@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:19:37 -0700 (PDT)
Well, the thing i find most interesting about this is that i am
attracted to the Roman pantheon despite being primarily of irish (with
a bit of scottish) ancestry...i am disturbed at the notion that i don't
have a right to the gods of my choosing based on ancestry, as it is
well known that the romans were very eclectic and when encountering
celts or norse they merely assumed that these people had given
different names to the same gods...BTW sorry about any bad grammar of
typos, i'm in a hurry!

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Subject: Re: Listmom weighs in
From: Ira Adams iadams@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:33:28 -0500
Gratii!

(Althouh it appears not to have reached some people.)

>From: -------- <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
>
>Several people on this list have recently descended to the level of
>personal attacks. This behavior is inappropriate for this list and does
>nothing to enhance one's own dignitas. I won't name names, but if it
>continues I will warn the offenders. Take it to private e-mail and duke
>it out there, or disagree in a dignified manner.
>
>Pythia, who started this whole thing, is away on vacation. E-mail her
>privately if you've got anything to say to her.
>
>As duly authorized list moderator, I hereby declare the topic of
>Germanicus' personal web page is irrelevant to this list and is closed.
>E-mail him privately if you've got anything to say to him.
>
>Patricia Cassia



Subject: Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name?
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:22:26 EDT
In --------ss--------d-------- 4/17/99 6:29:31 PM EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------; writes:

<< No Pythia, in this case it does not. Unless of course, you are calling
for
all persons holding public office to be held to *your* (or ANY one member's)
standards. And that is a Nova Roma I would want no part of.
>>

However, Pythia does bring up a good point. Are not high ranking officials
within Nova Roma responsible for displaying good face to others who may see
their personal pages a reflection on NR? Maybe? Perhaps Not?

Would any of us stand for a macro-public official who had a web page with
questionable links? I don't know.

Again, personally, I don't believe one has to be tolerant of intolerance to
support a greater community (in this case Asatruar).

--Dexippus

And Serena, before you go picking my bones, it would be nice to hear your
input on other topics other than when Germanicus is being questioned. It just
seems like you're around only for a fight.



Subject: Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name?
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:23:11 EDT
In --------ss--------d-------- 4/17/99 7:00:30 PM EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174166082206158174112154175101114253071048139" >M--------Rom--------...</--------; writes:

<< Why contact Germanicus? His wife does all the talking for him. >>

OOOOOOO RAISE THE ROOF! IT'S HOT IN HERE!

Score 1 Crystallina!

--Dexippus



Subject: NR Site Domain Name Problem
From: Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:26:41 -0700 (PDT)
Salvete, Omnes.

The Nova Roma site is once again experiencing problems. The domain name
www.novaroma.org is not working. The web site is still accessible at
<a href="http://www.superservers.net/~novaroma/" target="_top" >http://www.superservers.net/~novaroma/</a>.

Vale,

Marcus Martianus Gangalius
-------------
Tom and Gail Gangale
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm</a>
Mars Society California
The Martian Time Web Site
The Martian Ministry of Culture
Bunny Hill (and Catsville Too)
The National Primary System
World GenWeb Calabria




Subject: Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name?
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:29:39 EDT
In --------ss--------d-------- 4/17/99 10:07:41 PM EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------; writes:

<< Which brings us once again to my main point...why exactly is this relevant
to
Nova Roma? ::scratching head:: Oh, that's right.....it isn't. LOL Take
some advice honey...cease the attempts at divisiveness and move
along.......right now all you are doing is wasting everyone's time.

>>

Now entering the rink, Priscilla Vedia Serena. She's mean, she's lean, and
she's on the scene to defend her title against Crystallina and Pythia in this
Battle Royal! It's a cat fight like no other has been seen here in the
Circus Maximus since the days of lions and tigers.

Crystallina comes in with a punch....OOOOO! It's blocked, defected...Serena
has a good right hand guard...But wait, Crys is not taking this one
idly.....I think we're gonna see blood peopl! (Crowd Roars!)

--Dexippus
<<getting her wig, sharpening her nails...and where are those stilleto spiked
heels?>>



Subject: Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name?
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:37:13 EDT
In --------ss--------d-------- 4/18/99 1:52:04 AM EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------; writes:

<< PS For those who doubt my *reality* as Germanicus' wife..feel free to ask
Patricia and Cassuis..we had a grand old time in Boston together just about
a
year ago now. >>

I met Priscilla...she's Germanicus' wife alright...but hon, we only hear from
you when there's issue with Germanicus? C'mon girl...add to the community on
other times too.

--Dexippus
<<people who lurk in the shadows are ghouls!>>



Subject: Re: German Pride
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:39:27 EDT
In --------ss--------d-------- 4/18/99 2:08:48 AM EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; writes:

<< Since he helped start this whole organization the answer
has to be yes. >>

Ok...not to open up a can of worms...but he did leave the organization too.
And then came back. Maybe some people still have issue with that...maybe
it's relevant, maybe it's not...but it's obviously there.

what is the link in question? Can someone send me a hot link so I can check
it out myself?

--Dexippus





Subject: Re: male pride
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:44:12 EDT
In a message dated 4/18/99 7:44:02 AM EST, <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wr--------:

<< Oh,I forgot. When a WOMAN does it, it's catty. When a MAN does it, it's a
philosophical argument. >>

I like catty personally...it keeps the blood pumping!

--Dexippus
MEEEEOOOOOWWWWW!!!!!!



Subject: Re: Roman Days
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:47:23 EDT
In a message dated 4/18/99 8:34:44 AM EST, <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a> writes:

<< Who besides the Cassii is attending? We're planning to have a tent with
Nova Roma information, as we did last year, and would welcome volunteers
to help out. >>

When are the dates? I've gotta make a decision on this.

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Racial Hygiene
From: legion6@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:50:33 -0500 (CDT)
Salvete omnes...

Martianus Gangalius said:

>5. Every European has a Roman in the woodpile...
>
>6. Same goes for North Africans and Middle Easterners.

...which, in case some Cives were wondering, is where I get off
claiming I've got Romans for ancestors. So do most of us, I suspect!

My family comes from a part of southern Spain that was a Province of
the Empire for over 600 years. I call myself a Roman because that is
the aspect of my heritage with which I identify most closely. I could
just as easily call myself Celtiberian, Phoenician, Carthaginian,
Greek, Visigothic, Moorish, Arabic, or anything else I've got in the
mix. But it is the Roman in me who calls the loudest, followed closely
by the Celt...especially in my Rottener Rowdier moments! >({|;-)

And yet, I've never felt that it is my ancestry that makes me 'Roman'.
'Roman', historically, was not so much something you were born as as
something you became. Roma was alone amongst the ancient city-states
for opening up the possibility of Citizenship to people who were not
born in the City...

What makes me, or you, or anyone here a Roman is our conscious decision
to embrace Roman cultural values and a Roman way of life (to the extent
possible in this day and age). It is a decision I made several years
ago and have never once regretted.

I cannot emphasize enough how profoundly grateful I have been for the
existence of this micronation. Nice to know that, as I walk the Via
Romana in the way that seems fitting to me, I have plenty of company!

Respectfully, in awe and wonder at *everyone's* heritage...

-- L Marius Fimbria (loveable mutt!!)

|\=/|
( ~ 6 )
\*/
U
'
[winky wolf]



Subject: Re: HUMOR!!! BE WARNED Fw: This will blow your mind!
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:50:29 EDT
In --------ss--------d-------- 4/18/99 8:58:00 AM EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174166082206158174112154175101114253071048139" >M--------Rom--------...</--------; writes:

<< Now THIS is catty. And pretty damn funny. >>

I want to marry that man!!!!! Now that's a DIVA!!!!!

--Dexippus




Subject: Re: Roman Days
From: "Lucius" vergil@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:02:20 -0400
Salvete,

><< Who besides the Cassii is attending? We're planning to have a tent with
> Nova Roma information, as we did last year, and would welcome volunteers
> to help out. >>
>
>When are the dates? I've gotta make a decision on this.
>
>--Dexippus


ROMAN DAYS
June 11-13
Glenn Dale, Maryland

A display of ancient military and domestic living history. (Note that this
is not an officially-sponsored NOVA ROMA event, but it is most certainly
endorsed and recommended. Many NOVA ROMANS are expected to attend; those who
did so last year can testify that it was highly enjoyable and an excellent
learning experience.)

Contact: Matthew Amt (Quintus Darius Macro)
&-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166014165146153033082190" >mamt@--------&--------a>
9416 Rhode Island Ave.
College Park, MD 20740-1639

When: Spring 1999

Where: Marietta Mansion in Glenn Dale, Maryland, 4 miles east of I-95/I-495
(Capital Beltway) near the junction of Routes 450 and 193.

Directions: Take the Capital Beltway (I-95/I-495) to exist 20. Take 564 east
(Lanham Severn Road) briefly to 450 east (Annapolis Road). Stay on 450 for
approximately 4 miles, then take 193 north (Glenn Gale Blvd.). Turn left
onto Bell Station Road, and the Marietta Mansion Historic Site will be on
your left.

Valete, Lucius Equitius




Subject: Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name?
From: JusticeCMO@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:01:03 EDT
In --------ss--------d-------- 4/18/99 3:22:35 PM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
writes:

> --Dexippus
>
> And Serena, before you go picking my bones, it would be nice to hear your
> input on other topics other than when Germanicus is being questioned. It
> just
> seems like you're around only for a fight.

Hi Dex,

Just three quick points here:

1) our list moderator already called for a moratorium on the links issue,
therefore we should *all* take it private (ya might have missed the post,
which is why I point it out)
2) my views on the depths to which the original discussion are also stated
elsewhere, but I'll be happy to discus it privately
3) you are quite incorrect about my posting for *fights*..but hey, contact me
privately and we can discuss that too.

Priscilla Vedia Serena



Subject: Cattus Belli
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:03:38 -0500 (CDT)
On 04/18/99 15:29:39 Dexie wrote:
>
>Now entering the rink, Priscilla Vedia Serena. She's mean, she's lean, and
>she's on the scene to defend her title against Crystallina and Pythia in this
>Battle Royal! It's a cat fight like no other has been seen here in the
>Circus Maximus since the days of lions and tigers.
>
>Crystallina comes in with a punch....OOOOO! It's blocked, defected...Serena
>has a good right hand guard...But wait, Crys is not taking this one
>idly.....I think we're gonna see blood peopl! (Crowd Roars!)
>
>--Dexippus
><<getting her wig, sharpening her nails...and where are those stilleto spiked
>heels?>>


Call the Aediles! And call Don King! I think we've got a real event here for the next
games! Instead of nets and tridents, we've got pantyhose and Lee Press-on Nails with
Blood Red polish.
And I thought that Gaul in the games for Ceres was tough!

-- Flavia Claudia





Subject: Re: Comitia Populi Tributa-Thank you
From: Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:39:47 -0700 (PDT)
Salvete Nova Romans,

I'd like to thank all of you who offered your support,
ideas and observations for my Comitia Populi Tributa
Proposal.

I'm forwarding the measure along with your ideas and
suggestions to the Senate for their consideration and
deliberation and enactment. Let us all pray that Nova
Roma finally gets her popular assembly.

As a liasion between the citizens and the government,
I plan to keep you informed of the progress this
measure makes inside the Senate. Some of you continue
to ask some pointed and valuable questions about this
important matter and I'll be happy to keep
corresponding with you on this matter and other
important issues facing NR. Right now I think I'll do
this privately since it seems this list has once again
become some sort of battle-royal.

===
Respectfully,
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Tribune of the People
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Subject: Roman Days, more info
From: "Lucius" vergil@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:39:38 -0400
Salvete, Omnes

More Roman Days info:

1. Merchants are welcome to sell their wares, and there is no fee (that I
know of), but please let Susan Wolfe,the site manager (301) 464-5291, know
that you are coming.

2. KET (Kentucky Public Television) will be sending a Latin teacher and a
camera crew to film parts of the event, mainly for students but possibly for
PBS!

3. There is plenty of space for displays, parking, period or modern camping
etc. Water, portajohns, straw, firewood. There will be a 20'X 30' tent roof
for shade or rain protection, mostly for the merchants and table displays,
and we can also get some 10'X20' pop-up flies. There are also a number of
hotels within a few miles.

4. The event will be open to the public from 10am to 4pm Sat. and Sun.

>>Is there camping allowed on the site?

Yes, Quintus Darius Macro &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166014165146153033082190" >mamt@--------&--------a> commander of the
Legio XX is the event coordinator, he will answer any specific questions.

Marietta Mansion is located at 5626 Bell Station Road, just off Rt.
193. From I-95/495, the Capital Beltway, take Exit 20 onto Rt. 450 East, go
4
miles, turn left on Rt. 193, then left onto Bell Station Rd. and immediately
left into Marietta.

See ya'all there!

Valete, Lucius Equitius





Subject: on the Roman Theme Park, from the Leg IX Hisp newsletter
From: Razenna razenna@--------
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:04:03 -0700
Daily Telegraph London
Uproar in Umbria over plans for ancient Rome theme park
By Bruce Johnston in Rome
(Edited down to just the highlights)

Proposals for a 1,400-acre Disney-style theme park in unspoilt countryside near Orvieto,
in Umbria - Italy's "green heart" -
are facing stiff opposition from local people as well as VIPs and foreign nationals with
homes in the area. Presenting their
project in Milan, the organisers, an Italian company called Filmholding, said their aim
was a theme park that could also be used
as film studios re-creating "part of ancient Rome," including a 150,000-capacity stadium.
The company says the project, called
Roma Vetus, will bring at least 5,000 jobs to a region recently hit by a series of
earthquakes. The Roma Vetus project aims to
attract millions of people and aims to have a special motorway exit built to facilitate
transport from Rome, an hour away.
Models of ancient Roman buildings will be constructed at 70 per cent of their original
size. Inside them there will be nothing
visibly modern. Electric lighting will be banned and in the restaurants and hotels there
will be no man-made materials such as
plastic pinafores, aluminium or Formica surfaces in sight. Behind the scenes, however,
modern effects and research will virtually
make the project, with the buildings actually constructed of glass fibre.