Subject: Re: BALLOT DISCREPANCY - PLEASE READ!
From: JoeBloch@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:20:00 EST
Salve,

This is EXACTLY the sort of problem I was afraid of cropping up. Weeks and
weeks ago I offered my services to the Republic to assist with the elections
(since I am probably the person most familiar with the procedures, considering
that I WROTE them), and was rebuffed. Now we see the result.

And here's another question; was everyone sent a copy of the Eagle this time?
If not, I question the policy of only letting people vote who've subscribed to
the newsletter.

In a message dated 98-11-28 22:21:11 EST, Cassius Julianus writes:

> Each of these ballots can work. We can choose multiple candidates for
> each post, or one for each post and let the number of votes decide
> positions. However, they *will not both work at once!* We can't have all
> our web voters choosing multiple candidates, while all our paper ballot
> voters choose only one candidate each. The numbers just won't come out.

No, no, no, no, and if I hadn't mentioned it, no. The paper ballots must be
re-sent (I realize at considerable expense). The Senate has already f&%$ed
with the voting procedure unconstitutionally. Don't compound the error.

> It's more or less fallen to me to make a decision one way or another.
> I've set a personal deadline of Monday evening, 11/30/98, to get the
> decision made one way or another and take whatever action is needed to
> ensure fair and consistent voting. No matter which way I decide to go,
> there are going to be some furious people. If anyone has a preference
> for either of these two ballot forms, please post a short message ASAP.
> It's best that the form of the election ballot be chosen with the
> preferences of the Citizens of Nova Roma themselves in mind.

Interesting. According to the Constitution, you don't have the power to make
this decision. Why do we bother to have a Constitution at all? Let's just
scrap the whole thing and let the Senate and the Consuls just make things up
as we go along. That seems to be what's going on since my interregnum.

If someone screwed up with the paper ballots, let them make it right. Reprint
them, remail them, and have done with it. But DON'T change the procedures just
because a typo was made on a form. That's insane!!

> And, folks, at least there is some small silver lining to all these
> clouds... NEXT year we'll have a much better idea of how to do all this
> election stuff!

Some of us knew how to do it the first time around. It's not hard. Just read
what's written on the web site.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Founder and Ordinary Citizen

(exercising my Constitutional Right to freedom of speech, until the Senate
decides to change THAT, too)



Subject: Re: Constitution auf Deutsch
From: Nodigio@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:37:38 EST
In a message dated 11/28/98 11:19:41 PM Central Standard Time,
raz--------@-------- writ--------br>
> I am by no stretch of the imagination or the dictionary fluent in
> German. However there are a few things I noted that I can help with.
> All of these are basically vocabulary.


Thank you. This is still a rough draft - I did this part in the space of
about 2 hours. My aim was to get as much as possible converted into proper
German, and then to fiddle over the details and meanings in a rewrite. I have
reached all the way to Article IV, so far. Once I have it all in German, then
I'll go over it for content, meaning, consistency, and format. Then - anyone
who wants to proofread it- please!!! Do so! When more than one person
contributes to it, then it will be a better document. I admit, I have pet
words and phrases. A second, third or tenth party proofing it will help
eliminate those.


Secunda Floria Zonara



Subject: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: dean6886@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:12:25 -0600 (CST)

As one of the primary goals of Nova Roma was to reestablish the
Religio Romana why doesn't the pagan population consider an area within
Nova Roma to discuss and talk about issues related to paganism. As some
of our citizens may have Celtic or Asatru, etc. leanings I think a
collegia or order devoted to pagan studies and pagan unity would be more
than appropriate. Central to the collegia would be the Religio Romana
but a wide range of ideas from varying beliefs and systems could be
discussed. Projects to discuss the concepts of paganism to the general
population might be part of this as well as collecting resourses for all
of us to peruse. Possibly other things as well. I don't really
have the technical resourses or nohow to do this by myself but would be
more than willing to help out in any way I could if people are
interested at this time. Maybe it could be called the Nova Roman
National Pagan Association. Even a public newsgroup could be formed.
Yeah or Nay---- any thoughts.
Pontiffs????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


Sincerely,
Gaius Drusus Domitianus








Subject: Re: RPGs (was Re: Plebs and Patricians)
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 01:30:05 -0500 (EST)
Hear Lucius Fimbria. I too am a serious War-gamer and Dungeon -Master,
but as Lucius indicates I can be anything I wish to be as long as I do
not interfere with others and as long as I follow the rules for the
orgnizations that I choose to join.

I don't agree with everythig that have heard and read here i Nova Roma,
but I don't tink those people who I disagree with are enemies, they are
peple who have a different view than mine. However, I can be persuaded,
and so can they by presenting facts in a quiet and polite way.

However, if you perfer to insult me, shout at me, and use terms like
insane, stupid, and idiot to me, then don't be surprised at what you get
in return. Remember in this world nothing is perfect. Our anchestors
stumbled and shouted, and rageed as we are doing, and that is the way we
will learn. But in the real world you get things done or you go to the
wall. Now you can do this the easy way, or you can make it real hard,
but I for one am not convinced by threats, name-calling and children''s
tantrums, and I don' t think in this organization that there are many
who are!!!

M.Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!




Subject: Re: RPGs (was Re: Plebs and Patricians)
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 02:48:11 -0500 (EST)
I don't think there is any puzzle at all as to why the old RPG's keep
popping up. There is here in Nova Roma a place for those who worship
the gods of yesterday's world, and they are as real to their adherents
today as they ever were. However, today's society does not take these
god's seriously any more and that is an injury to those who believe in
them. Religous beliefs are deep-seated and very precious and when there
appears to be a danger that those freedoms will be nterfered with,
people, all people, become defensive and then offensive.

Here in Nova Roma, there are also peple who really are RPG's because
they participate in re-enactment and they wear uniforms, brandish
weapons, eat food, use dishes, tents, etc. of the period , but after the
weekend they go home and worship in their own way. Now if there is a
possibility of the "RPGer's taking over and interrupting the things like
religion, culture, politics, art, and othr things that daw others to
this world then there is a niggling fear that this place might be lost.
It is pretty clear that these reactions were probably what early
Christains felt when thir world started to come apart.

We people, yes me as I am an MPGer as well who just come to learn about
this micro-nation, and then start making sounds like let's throw this
aspect and that aspect away because it doesn't make sense to them the
people who fashioned this place get nervous, and frankly I don't blame
them. What can you do about it? Well, you can start by bieing a little
sensitive to these people's needs. Be supportive of your surroundings
and don't start ths business about let's throw this away and that away.
You can be a lady or a gentleman and disagree quietly,and if you can't
live here with the rules as they are, then consider helping those whose
real home this is to see the problem or go home yourself. Put yourself
in their place and ask yourself how are you going to respond if your
words were directed at you. Give 60% in all arguments and understnd
that the man or woman who disagrees with you is not your enemy. If you
can't do all that, then and only then do the only thing left that you
can do, and that is to leave. I like it here. I don't worship here,
but I like it. I want to stay, and I want people to want me to stay.
I'm not a wimp, I'll stand up for my rights, but you don't have to shout
to be a winner!!!

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!




Subject: Re: Earth to Ericius
From: "Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 04:50:27 PST


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>Claudia wrote:
>>
>> From: Claud----------------oon@--------
>>
>> Ricci wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Ricci raz--------@--------
>> >
>> > Attention Flavia Claudia: Regarding the following, I will need that
>> > ValSpeak translation of The Constitution ASAP for the benefit of
the
>> > southern regio of my province.
>> >
>>
>> Dude:
>>
>> Hello? Ex-SQUEEZE me? Earth to Ericius -- It's, like, getting close
to
>> Saturnalia? The MALL is open late! Like, you really totally think I'm
>> going to miss hanging at the Mall where they have beaded sweaters ON
>> SALE, when I just got the limit raised on my Paterfamilia's credit
card
>> and my wardrobe totally needs a makeover? As if.
>>
>> Like I'm SO SURE I'm gonna stay home translating and miss shopping.
>> OhmiGOD, what kind of priorities do you think I've got?
>>
>> Dudes and dudettes in your Southern Provincia will totally grok this
>> whole thing, unless they're like totally nerded-out or something. I
saw
>> one of them at the Mall and I go, like "Dude, do you really want this
>> constitution dealie?" and he's like, "No WAY! do I look like I'm
running
>> for like, TribPleb or something?" and I go, "As if," and he goes,
>> "OhmiGOD, I gotta get to the Gap like NOW!" and I go, "So go," and he
>> goes, "So I'm going," and I go, "Check you later."
>>
>> Oh Puleeeze.
>>
>> -- Flavia Claudia Buffy
>>
>
>TO-taly awesome!
>
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HEY Erici!
What do you think you're tryin to do to poor Flav?

Not only has she got shopping to do but there are mudwrestling
competitions to be organized!

Oh no! Hold on!
They've been changed to pudding wrestling competitions, with the pudding
supplied by our master-chef himself; Venator!

Count me in!!





Will miss you all for the next few weeks!
Good luck with elections and things, I'm hoping I can vote!


You friend
Noct'a





Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Noct'a to her friends
Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae
Candidate for Caesar, by Pudding wrestling methods of voting only!!
__________________________________________________


To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
always a child. For what is the meaning of a man’s life unless it is
intertwined with that of our ancestor’s by history?

Cicero
Orator 120
____________________________________________________________

You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
Very great staves, very strong staves
Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
Carved by the prophet of the Gods

Hāvamāl (The words of the God Odin)

__________________________________________________


Quote of all time!

Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
et debellare superbos.

(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)

Vergil










Subject: Re: BALLOT DISCREPANCY - PLEASE READ!
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 07:54:13 -0600


Just tell me how and when it needs to be in the mail or when I have to go
online or whatever.


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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Subject: Re: Earth to Ericius
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 07:52:30 -0600
On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 04:50:27 PST "Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia"
a_i_c_nocturnia@-------- writes:


>Oh no! Hold on!
>They've been changed to pudding wrestling competitions, with the
>pudding
>supplied by our master-chef himself; Venator!
>
>Count me in!!
>
>
>
>
>
>Will miss you all for the next few weeks!
>Good luck with elections and things, I'm hoping I can vote!
>
>
>You friend
>Noct'a
>


If I had know there would have been pudding wrestling, I would have
*found* an office to run for!!!!!!!!!!! Now, I await the lovely NR
arguments about exactly what kind of pudding will be wrestled in --
vanilla? chocolate? tapioca? pistachio?


Go get 'em guys!!!!!!!!!


P.S....In reading this message aloud to myself I was given a message from
Primus Iunia Terrelina...she says "pud--dig" and then hit the laptop with
her "dog--gy". That, of course, makes it official. She's no augur, but
the stuffed animal has spoken to her! We are all for pudding
wrestling!!!!!


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: "Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 06:37:46 PST


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>Subject: [novaroma] Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
>
>From: dean6886@-------- (Dean Troy)
>
>
> As one of the primary goals of Nova Roma was to reestablish the
>Religio Romana why doesn't the pagan population consider an area within
>Nova Roma to discuss and talk about issues related to paganism. As
some
>of our citizens may have Celtic or Asatru, etc. leanings I think a
>collegia or order devoted to pagan studies and pagan unity would be
more
>than appropriate. Central to the collegia would be the Religio Romana
>but a wide range of ideas from varying beliefs and systems could be
>discussed. Projects to discuss the concepts of paganism to the general
>population might be part of this as well as collecting resourses for
all
>of us to peruse. Possibly other things as well. I don't really
>have the technical resourses or nohow to do this by myself but would be
>more than willing to help out in any way I could if people are
>interested at this time. Maybe it could be called the Nova Roman
>National Pagan Association. Even a public newsgroup could be formed.
>Yeah or Nay---- any thoughts.
>Pontiffs????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>
>
> Sincerely,
>Gaius Drusus Domitianus
>
>
>
>
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Salvete!

I think this is a wonderful idea.

I also believe, when we are more firmly established, maybe we could have
people from the other religions to welcome new citizens of their own
faith.
Like a liason officer almost





Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Noct'a to her friends
Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae

__________________________________________________


To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
always a child. For what is the meaning of a man’s life unless it is
intertwined with that of our ancestor’s by history?

Cicero
Orator 120
____________________________________________________________

You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
Very great staves, very strong staves
Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
Carved by the prophet of the Gods

Hāvamāl (The words of the God Odin)

__________________________________________________


Quote of all time!

Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
et debellare superbos.

(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)

Vergil










Subject: BALLOT DISCREPANCY - PLEASE READ!
From: Mike Macnair MikeMacnair@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:01:45 -0500
Salvete omnes,

Unfortunately, one vote per citizen for multiple vacancies (as per the hard
copy) just doesn't work, because it's depriving citizens of votes they are
entitled to cast. So without necessarily endorsing Germanicus' casting
himself as Cassandra, I have to agree with him that the hard copy forms
will have to be sent out again.

Valete,

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister



Subject: Re: BALLOT DISCREPANCY - PLEASE READ!
From: Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 08:06:45 -0800 (PST)

---JoeBloch@-------- wrote:

> > It's more or less fallen to me to make a decision one way or
another.
> > I've set a personal deadline of Monday evening, 11/30/98, to get
the
> > decision made one way or another and take whatever action is
needed to
> > ensure fair and consistent voting. No matter which way I decide
to go,
> > there are going to be some furious people. If anyone has a
preference
> > for either of these two ballot forms, please post a short message
ASAP.
> > It's best that the form of the election ballot be chosen with the
> > preferences of the Citizens of Nova Roma themselves in mind.
>
> Interesting. According to the Constitution, you don't have the power
to make
> this decision. Why do we bother to have a Constitution at all?

To be fair, I can't see anything in the constitution (which I
have studied at great length in the course of my candidacy for Praetor
Urbanus) which gives any indication as to who _does_ have the power to
make this kind of decision. Surely it is best covered by the imperium
of the consuls, who after all are the leaders of the state? Imperium
means the power to give orders which must be obeyed, and unless
Cassius' colleague decides to veto his decision, I can't see any
reason why he shouldn't rule on this issue. That is exactly how the
consuls of ancient Rome made their day-to-day orders and decisions.
Besides, one thing the constitution definitely _doesn't_ state is
how many votes the citizens should have for each magisterial post, or
indeed any details about election procedure, beyond a statement of
which comitia should elect which magistrates. Surely, therefore, it is
up to the leading magistrates of the state to arrange the
administration of such details where the constitution leaves us
without guidance, and this is precisely what Cassius is doing?
Perhaps it might have been better to resolve the issue via a
discussion in the senate, and the issue of a senatusconsultum, but it
really is a bit late for that now. The only possible improvement on
the situation as it stands would be to appoint a dictator to handle
the crisis, but I don't see that this is really necessary in this case.
Although I would be the first to agree that there have been
several problems with the organisation of the election, and that with
hindsight things might have been organised earlier and more carefully,
I really can't see the point of getting in Cassius' way now, if he is
trying to put things right and allow the election to go ahead.
Mehercule, we're only just finding our way here, and surely the
important thing is that _some_ magistrates get elected by a method the
majority is happy with, rather than bringing the election to a
grinding halt altogether?


>
> If someone screwed up with the paper ballots, let them make it
right. Reprint
> them, remail them, and have done with it. But DON'T change the
procedures just
> because a typo was made on a form. That's insane!!

I don't think Claudia _did_ screw up, from what I've gathered. It
seems rather that different people made different decisions, and
failed to communicate them to the others. That's a problem in itself,
and needs addressing - I believe we need to put more emphasis on
getting all magistrates, of whatever kind, to publicise their
decisions, before just going ahead on them without telling anybody else.

Here's hoping everything can be resolved amicably and to the
satisfaction of the majority!

Valete,
Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica,
Candidate for Praetor Urbanus.
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Subject: Pictures
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:10:54 -0600
Salvete --

Fellow computer nerds.....can you scan Polaroids? I just got one (yes,
Momma gets a Solstice gift too) and am ready to take pictures of Terry,
but I'd like to put one on my web page and, of course, use one as a
starter for the Sodalis Pro Infantia page I'm working on. It's sort of a
mute point, as there are no scanners in this town and I would have to
send the picture to someone who has a scanner or has access to one. I
was just wondering if it was possible to scan Polaroids.


Yes, Claudia. I will mail one to you special for the Eagle if you'd
like. Who knows, I may even con someone into taking a picture of both
Terry AND her mother!!


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
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Subject: I stand corrected (by myself!)
From: Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 08:11:16 -0800 (PST)

---Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@-------- wrote:

> Besides, one thing the constitution definitely _doesn't_ state is
> how many votes the citizens should have for each magisterial post, or
> indeed any details about election procedure, beyond a statement of
> which comitia should elect which magistrates.

I've just realised, checking over the constitution again, that
this is actually wrong - the constitution doesn't even state which
comitia should elect which magistrates. This is only made clear in the
'elections and voting procedures' section of the Cursus Honorum on the
web-page, which although it is posted up clearly for everyone to read,
is _not_ part of the consitution, and therefore not legally binding.
With this little guidance from the consitution, is it really any
surprise that problems like the one we are currently facing have
arisen???
Valete,
Aprica.
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Subject: Re: Pictures
From: "Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 08:20:16 PST


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>From: amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethystia I Crystallina)
>
>Salvete --
>
>Fellow computer nerds.....can you scan Polaroids? I just got one (yes,
>Momma gets a Solstice gift too) and am ready to take pictures of Terry,
>but I'd like to put one on my web page and, of course, use one as a
>starter for the Sodalis Pro Infantia page I'm working on. It's sort of
a
>mute point, as there are no scanners in this town and I would have to
>send the picture to someone who has a scanner or has access to one. I
>was just wondering if it was possible to scan Polaroids.
>
>
>Yes, Claudia. I will mail one to you special for the Eagle if you'd
>like. Who knows, I may even con someone into taking a picture of both
>Terry AND her mother!!
>
>
>Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
>amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
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Yes, if you have a scanner,Polaroids are just normal photo's yes?
Just scan them as usual.





Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Noct'a to her friends
Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae

__________________________________________________


To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
always a child. For what is the meaning of a man’s life unless it is
intertwined with that of our ancestor’s by history?

Cicero
Orator 120
____________________________________________________________

You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
Very great staves, very strong staves
Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
Carved by the prophet of the Gods

Hāvamāl (The words of the God Odin)

__________________________________________________


Quote of all time!

Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
et debellare superbos.

(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)

Vergil










Subject: Re: huh?
From: "Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 08:23:57 PST


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>Subject: [novaroma] Re: huh?
>
>From: Pythia kingan@--------
>
>Well, It looks as if I blew this one! I might as well go public!
>I really think Germanicus got up on the wrong side of the bed here!
>I don't think your post was very helpful in a situation that was an
>honest mistake....and if you were so concerned about the proceedings
you
>should have thought about that before you hightailed out of here and
>left everyone to pick up the pieces.
>
>I really don't want to start another of these endless threads about
>Germanicus, but I am fairly annoyed about this mornings post. Someone
>recently pointed out how new Nova Roma is, and we don't need snipers
>coming in at the 11th hour to vent!
>
>I think we can sort out this Ballot discrepancy if we use our
>considerable intellects and read the website and the information,
rather
>than get caught up in these arguments!
>
>I am sorry to have started something here that I did not mean to,but
now
>that I have I won't shrink from speaking my mind....
>
>(and please don't bid on my husband's Solstice gift ;-)
>
>Pythia
>Pythia wrote:
>>
>> From: Pythia kingan@--------
>>
>> Good morning Pat and Cassius!
>>
>> What exactly does Germanicus hope to achieve with his little poisen
pen
>> this morning?
>>
>> Also, Cassius, I just sent you an email about the Lekithos I am
bidding
>> on, but you won't get it untill the end of the auction. If you are
>> interested in having a look, it is #44081097. (It will probobly get
up
>> to about $250
>>
>> Ave atque Vale,
>> Pythia
>>
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Oooops!


From: Pythia kingan@--------
>>
>> Good morning Pat and Cassius!
>>
>> What exactly does Germanicus hope to achieve with his little poisen
pen
>> this morning?


This wa a bad email to publish at the moment!!

I do agree that this shouldn't start a major war, but as I am quite
P$%ŖSd of with people saying things about people behind their backs at
the moment, maybe if you have something to say about someone, saying it
in public IS the best place!


See ya all!




Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Noct'a to her friends
Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae

__________________________________________________


To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
always a child. For what is the meaning of a man’s life unless it is
intertwined with that of our ancestor’s by history?

Cicero
Orator 120
____________________________________________________________

You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
Very great staves, very strong staves
Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
Carved by the prophet of the Gods

Hāvamāl (The words of the God Odin)

__________________________________________________


Quote of all time!

Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
et debellare superbos.

(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)

Vergil










Subject: Attn: Campaign of Antonius Gryllus Graecus for the office of Plebeian Aedile
From: "Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:28:59 -0000
Salvete omnes!

As candidate for the office of Plebeian Aedile, I make the following proposals:

According to the Constitution, my biggest responsibility is to organize the Games of Nova Roma. As the practices of traditional Roman Circus with gladiators, christians thrown to the lions (this is one point for you, Marcus Fimbria!! =)) are gone since a long time ago, we have to think about alternatives to entertain the people of Nova Roma. Here are two proposals:

- To build an Web page with info on Roman related BOARD and COMPUTER GAMES. I'm talking about wargames such as The Great Battles of Julius Caesar, The Great Battles of Hannibal, Admiral-Ancient Ships... And some oldies which can be downloaded freely (eg. The wonderful Ancient Battles of which I have bought 3 versions)! I'm talking about strategy games such as Caesar I, II and III, Age of Empires! Maybe we can get some kind of deal similar to what we have with Amazon! Also we may have championships!
I'm also talking about he missing ZX Spectrum games such as The Annals of Rome, Legions of Death, Asterix, Gladiators and more!
- Now, as I've said, the old Circus is gone... =( Oh! But that was the Circus with men fighting in the arena! What if the Gladiators were computer programs??? Program your robot gladiator in C language with the CROBOTS program and lets see who's the champion! Well, don't you know the C language? Well, also not every citizen was a gladiator, but still we can find a mechanism for you to place your BETS!

Hope you like these ideas! I'm open to more sugestions. Please feel free to email me at amg@-------- .

Valete!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)





Subject: Re: huh?
From: "Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 08:31:11 PST


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>From: "Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia"
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>
>
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>>Subject: [novaroma] Re: huh?
>>
>>From: Pythia kingan@--------
>>
>>Well, It looks as if I blew this one! I might as well go public!
>>I really think Germanicus got up on the wrong side of the bed here!
>>I don't think your post was very helpful in a situation that was an
>>honest mistake....and if you were so concerned about the proceedings
>you
>>should have thought about that before you hightailed out of here and
>>left everyone to pick up the pieces.
>>
>>I really don't want to start another of these endless threads about
>>Germanicus, but I am fairly annoyed about this mornings post. Someone
>>recently pointed out how new Nova Roma is, and we don't need snipers
>>coming in at the 11th hour to vent!
>>
>>I think we can sort out this Ballot discrepancy if we use our
>>considerable intellects and read the website and the information,
>rather
>>than get caught up in these arguments!
>>
>>I am sorry to have started something here that I did not mean to,but
>now
>>that I have I won't shrink from speaking my mind....
>>
>>(and please don't bid on my husband's Solstice gift ;-)
>>
>>Pythia
>>Pythia wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Pythia kingan@--------
>>>
>>> Good morning Pat and Cassius!
>>>
>>> What exactly does Germanicus hope to achieve with his little poisen
>pen
>>> this morning?
>>>
>>> Also, Cassius, I just sent you an email about the Lekithos I am
>bidding
>>> on, but you won't get it untill the end of the auction. If you are
>>> interested in having a look, it is #44081097. (It will probobly get
>up
>>> to about $250
>>>
>>> Ave atque Vale,
>>> Pythia
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>
>
>
>
>Oooops!
>
>
>From: Pythia kingan@--------
>>>
>>> Good morning Pat and Cassius!
>>>
>>> What exactly does Germanicus hope to achieve with his little poisen
>pen
>>> this morning?
>
>
>This wa a bad email to publish at the moment!!
>
>I do agree that this shouldn't start a major war, but as I am quite
>P$%ŖSd of with people saying things about people behind their backs at
>the moment, maybe if you have something to say about someone, saying it
>in public IS the best place!
>
>
>See ya all!
>
>
>
>
>Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
>Noct'a to her friends
>Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
>Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae
>
>__________________________________________________
>
>
>To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
>always a child. For what is the meaning of a man’s life unless it is
>intertwined with that of our ancestor’s by history?
>
> Cicero
> Orator 120
>____________________________________________________________
>
>You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
>Very great staves, very strong staves
>Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
>Carved by the prophet of the Gods
>
> Hāvamāl (The words of the God Odin)
>
>__________________________________________________
>
>
>Quote of all time!
>
>Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
>marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
>et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
>memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
>et debellare superbos.
>
>(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
>delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
>causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
>tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
>nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with
law,
>tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)
>
> Vergil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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This is mainly to Pythia.


I'm sorry for being that harsh, as I said I am p****d off with people
talking about others behind their backs, but I shouldn't have taken it
out on you.

I apologize profusely









Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Noct'a to her friends
Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae

__________________________________________________


To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
always a child. For what is the meaning of a man’s life unless it is
intertwined with that of our ancestor’s by history?

Cicero
Orator 120
____________________________________________________________

You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
Very great staves, very strong staves
Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
Carved by the prophet of the Gods

Hāvamāl (The words of the God Odin)

__________________________________________________


Quote of all time!

Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
et debellare superbos.

(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)

Vergil










Subject: Ballot and resignation of candidacy
From: Claud----------------oon@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:30:49 -0500
I'm still trying to figure out what makes this so difficult.
Just do it Palladius' way with a vote for however many offices there are
open, and e-mail EVERYBODY telling them to disregard the paper ballot
and vote at the Website.

How come everything has to turn into a friggin' constitutional crisis
and any human error has to be "political maneuvering"?

At any rate, forget voting for me for Consul. I'm outta here, as far as
the election goes. Just discount any votes that come in for me. As I
understand it, the Palladius/Cincinnatus team was going to declare
election fraud anyway if I'd won, which would have catapulted NR into
yet ANOTHER screaming, yelling and hollering match online. In the
meantime NOTHING is getting done and tempers are getting short way out
of proportion. This is getting way beyond stupid.

-- Flavia Claudia Juliana



Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Claud----------------oon@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:35:46 -0500
Dean Troy wrote:
>
> From: dean6886@-------- (Dean Troy)
>
>
> As one of the primary goals of Nova Roma was to reestablish the
> Religio Romana why doesn't the pagan population consider an area within
> Nova Roma to discuss and talk about issues related to paganism.
>
>
At last, some Nova Roma business not related to the constitution or the
election. Thanks, Domitianus!

I think this is a pretty good idea, except that I'd hate to see anything
that furthered a religious difference in NR. If this can be done without
the non-Pagans feeling left out (i.e. they should feel free to join any
discussions and ask questions), then it sounds great!

-- Flavia Claudia



Subject: Re: Ballot and resignation of candidacy
From: "Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 08:38:07 PST


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>Subject: [novaroma] Ballot and resignation of candidacy
>
>From: Claud----------------oon@--------
>
>I'm still trying to figure out what makes this so difficult.
>Just do it Palladius' way with a vote for however many offices there
are
>open, and e-mail EVERYBODY telling them to disregard the paper ballot
>and vote at the Website.
>
>How come everything has to turn into a friggin' constitutional crisis
>and any human error has to be "political maneuvering"?
>
>At any rate, forget voting for me for Consul. I'm outta here, as far as
>the election goes. Just discount any votes that come in for me. As I
>understand it, the Palladius/Cincinnatus team was going to declare
>election fraud anyway if I'd won, which would have catapulted NR into
>yet ANOTHER screaming, yelling and hollering match online. In the
>meantime NOTHING is getting done and tempers are getting short way out
>of proportion. This is getting way beyond stupid.
>
>-- Flavia Claudia Juliana
>
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What????

Flavia!

As I
>understand it, the Palladius/Cincinnatus team was going to declare
>election fraud anyway if I'd won, which would have catapulted NR into
>yet ANOTHER screaming, yelling and hollering match online.


Can this be true?

As Dexippus' signature says;
OH WHY CAN'T WE ALL GET ON?

Flavia, I am VERY upset that you are not continuing to stand.
Voting at the website would make MUCH more sense and less money is
wasted!


Noct'a


This is probably my last email to the list for a few weeks, so Valete!





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Quote of all time!

Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
et debellare superbos.

(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)

Vergil










Subject: Re: Earth to Ericius
From: Claud----------------oon@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:38:48 -0500
Amethystia I Crystallina wrote:
>
>
>
> P.S....In reading this message aloud to myself I was given a message from
> Primus Iunia Terrelina...she says "pud--dig" and then hit the laptop with
> her "dog--gy". That, of course, makes it official. She's no augur, but
> the stuffed animal has spoken to her! We are all for pudding
> wrestling!!!!!
>
Whoa! A budding Sibyl! Send that kid directly to Cumae!

-- Flavia Claudia



Subject: Re: ballots and candidates
From: Claud----------------oon@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:51:23 -0500
Claudia Aprica wrote:
>
>
> I've just realised, checking over the constitution again, that
> this is actually wrong - the constitution doesn't even state which
> comitia should elect which magistrates. This is only made clear in the
> 'elections and voting procedures' section of the Cursus Honorum on the
> web-page, which although it is posted up clearly for everyone to read,
> is _not_ part of the consitution, and therefore not legally binding.
> With this little guidance from the consitution, is it really any
> surprise that problems like the one we are currently facing have
> arisen???
> Valete,
> Aprica.
>
Actually, no, it's not any surprise. The constitution is obviously a
work in progress, and doesn't cover elections very well. When I put the
Eagle together, I just went by the ballot on the website,which is only a
ballot for referendum questions. As I'm not privy to Senate decisions, I
asked one of them what the Eagle ballot should be and just set it up
accordingly. It's easier to change the Website ballot than the paper
one, but I understand from Palladius that it would ruin the system of
letting consuls run as a team and defeats the purpose.

Still not sure who came up with the idea of any candidates running as a
team. That's not in the Constitution either.

-- Flavia Claudia



Subject: I didn't want to say this...
From: "Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:04:44 -0000
Salvete omnes!

>understand it, the Palladius/Cincinnatus team was going to declare
>election fraud anyway if I'd won, which would have catapulted NR into
>yet ANOTHER screaming, yelling and hollering match online.
I'm just watching television, no doubt... And I'm also lunatic and insane. So, please delete all my postings you have on the mailing boxes... Oh! And don't forget: Any similarities with my words are nothing but coincidence!

Valete omnes!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus, who doesn't think that quitting the candidacies is the most correct answer to the problems of Nova Roma.





Subject: Re: BALLOT DISCREPANCY - PLEASE READ!
From:
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:15:21 -0500
Salvete Quirites

>> Interesting. According to the Constitution, you don't have the power
>to make
>> this decision. Why do we bother to have a Constitution at all?
>
> To be fair, I can't see anything in the constitution (which I
>have studied at great length in the course of my candidacy for Praetor
>Urbanus) which gives any indication as to who _does_ have the power to
>make this kind of decision. Surely it is best covered by the imperium
>of the consuls, who after all are the leaders of the state?

Exactly, These are the kinds of decisions that magistrates are elected to
make.
>
>Imperium means the power to give orders which must be obeyed, and unless
>Cassius' colleague decides to veto his decision, I can't see any
>reason why he shouldn't rule on this issue. That is exactly how the
>consuls of ancient Rome made their day-to-day orders and decisions.

Once again our Praetor Britainae hits the nail on the head.

> Besides, one thing the constitution definitely _doesn't_ state is
>how many votes the citizens should have for each magisterial post, or
>indeed any details about election procedure, beyond a statement of
>which comitia should elect which magistrates. Surely, therefore, it is
>up to the leading magistrates of the state to arrange the
>administration of such details where the constitution leaves us
>without guidance, and this is precisely what Cassius is doing?

Three for three, way to go!

> Perhaps it might have been better to resolve the issue via a
>discussion in the senate, and the issue of a senatusconsultum, but it
>really is a bit late for that now. The only possible improvement on
>the situation as it stands would be to appoint a dictator to handle
>the crisis, but I don't see that this is really necessary in this case.

Right, it seems we already have enough people who think that having a
dictatorship is the aim.

> Although I would be the first to agree that there have been
>several problems with the organisation of the election,
>Mehercule, we're only just finding our way here, and surely the
>important thing is that _some_ magistrates get elected by a method the
>majority is happy with, rather than bringing the election to a
>grinding halt altogether?
>
I can not think of any "organization" that started out oganized right from
the start.
>
> I don't think Claudia _did_ screw up, from what I've gathered. It
>seems rather that different people made different decisions, and
>failed to communicate them to the others. That's a problem in itself,
>and needs addressing - I believe we need to put more emphasis on
>getting all magistrates, of whatever kind, to publicise their
>decisions, before just going ahead on them without telling anybody else.
>
Well there does need to be better communication between the magistrates that
is for sure.

> Here's hoping everything can be resolved amicably and to the
>satisfaction of the majority!
> Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica, Candidate for Praetor Urbanus.


I think that once again after cives get over the initial surprise they will
all pitch in to help.

Vale L Equitius Cincinnatus candidate for Consul




Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From:
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:14:12 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 12:12:34 AM Central Standard Time,
dean6886@-------- --------es:

> Maybe it could be called the Nova Roman
> National Pagan Association. Even a public newsgroup could be formed.


Hummmmmmmm! I thought one of the primary purposes of Nova Roma was to promote
the Religio Romana - which means it is an integral part of Nova Roma - yes?
Are the mater- and paterfamilias not performing the rituals as delineated (or
something similar) on the webpage? Is anyone else performing the Rites and
Rituals and celebrating the days of the Gods? Just because we don't speak of
it so much during the election debates doesn't mean it's not underlying all
things, does it?

And Saturnalia? Is no one gearing up for the Grand and Glorious
Saturnalia???????

As a Roman Shintoist, this is a small part of how we celebrate Saturnalia:
The winter solstice, Saturnalia, is the celebration with the deepest, most
instinctual, significance. If people celebnrate
no other Sabbat, they all seem to need to celebrate (or deny celebrating) the
winter solstice. Feasting, trading places
with others for a day (to increase one’s empathy and appreciation for all they
do), societal inversions, masks,
decorations of natural and bright materials (on trees and in other places),
offerings to the Gods, and gifts to one
another mark Saturnalia. The world looks dead, Ceres is in deep mourning for
her beloved Propserpina, and there is
the very real possiblilty that Ceres may destroy the world before Proserpina
can return. Nothing is guaranteed.
People celebrated then as much from fear of the end of the world as from love
of Ceres and an attempt to cheer her up
and ease her loneliness. Every religion that touched Saturnalia has only
added to it, rather than dertacted from it,
making it even more powerful over the years. We acknowledge the despair of
the season
(those who identify too strongly with Ceres) by reaching out to friends we
haven’t heard from all year, checking to be
sure they survived the previous year and are in good spirits to continue the
new year. If possible, we settle all our old
debts, and put all our affairs in order (wills, funeral arrangements,
guardianships...) And then we party. We have huge
cookie baking and decorating parties, and mail those cookies to one another.
We never ever eat the cookies we
bake, and we never ever lack for cookies because a new batch arrives in the
mail almost daily! Our favorite cookies
are gender shaped ones, gingerbread babies, eggs, stars, suns, and green man
faces. We decorate the trees outside with
grains, seeds, and fruits to remind Ceres we need her too (and the birds
benefit hugely!). Indoor trees are decorated
with suns and stars and symbols of all our Gods. We have a huge feast with
music, storytelling and lights, and
carolling (we sometimes get odd looks from people who actually listen to our
words!). If we can get away with it (ie - we have enough people together and
can get a parade permit) we hold a parade with small floats of each of the
main Gods of the season, and music and dancing in the streets and tossing out
of treats to the onlookers. We always make special
offerings to our favorite Gods - at the very least to Ceres, Bacchus, Juno,
Jupiter, and Minerva.
This is done by decorating the altar in honor of the Gods and selecting those
offerings they most delight in. A grape based mead is always a part of the
ritual, and olives and wheaten cakes.

Secunda Floria Zonara






Subject: Re: Earth to Ericius
From:
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:22:21 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 8:01:49 AM Central Standard Time,
amethystcrystallight@-------- writes:

> what kind of pudding will be wrestled in --
> vanilla? chocolate? tapioca? pistachio?
>


It being Nova Roma - I vote for either Rose Pudding (Rome being famous for
it's roses and rose-based recipes) or Grape Jell-O (the white grape sparkling
kind - it tingles!)

Secunda Floria Zonara



Subject: Holiday Cheer??/Can't we all just GET ALONG!!!
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:40:24 -0600
Salvete all --


In my new found Holiday Cheer (which I will NOT let anyone ruin!!!!!) I
was waxing poetic/philosophical/musical in the shower after reading the
latest bunch of mail. Ready?? Remember, I am not a songwriter
usually.....



Tis the season to be Jolly
Fa La La La La La La La La
You be good or you'll be sorry
Fa La La La La La La La La
Don we not our fighting togas
Fa La La La La La LA LA LA
Or get pudding up the nose
Fa La La La La La La La La



I now return you to your regularly scheduled debate!!


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Subject: Re: Ballot and resignation of candidacy
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:22:35 -0600
On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:30:49 -0500 Claud----------------oon@--------
writes:

>How come everything has to turn into a friggin' constitutional crisis
>and any human error has to be "political maneuvering"?
>


Everybody needs a hobby? Holiday depression? Paranoia?


>As I
>understand it, the Palladius/Cincinnatus team was going to declare
>election fraud anyway if I'd won, which would have catapulted NR into
>yet ANOTHER screaming, yelling and hollering match online. In the
>meantime NOTHING is getting done and tempers are getting short way
>out
>of proportion. This is getting way beyond stupid.
>


Your kidding, right? PLEASE tell me your kidding.


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Subject: Re: Earth to Ericius
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:42:35 -0600
On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:38:48 -0500 Claud----------------oon@--------
writes:
>From: Claud----------------oon@--------
>
>Amethystia I Crystallina wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S....In reading this message aloud to myself I was given a message
>from
>> Primus Iunia Terrelina...she says "pud--dig" and then hit the laptop
>with
>> her "dog--gy". That, of course, makes it official. She's no augur,
>but
>> the stuffed animal has spoken to her! We are all for pudding
>> wrestling!!!!!
>>
>Whoa! A budding Sibyl! Send that kid directly to Cumae!
>
>-- Flavia Claudia


I was thinking she's make the perfect NR peacemaker. They don't call 'em
'ankle-biters' for nothin'.


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Subject: Re: Palladius
From: "D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:47:22 -0500 (EST)

On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, Claudia wrote:

> From: Claud----------------oon@--------
>
> James Mathews wrote:
> >
> > From: jmath669642reng@-------- (James Mathe--------/font>
> >
> > I would like to send a personal message to Palladius, but using the
> > following code:
> >
> > amograth@--------
> >
>
> amcgrath@-------- is the correct address.

No, it's amcgrath@--------



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and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

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Subject: Re: Plebs and Patricians
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:57:15 EST
In a message dated 11/27/98 8:39:58 PM EST, jmath669642reng@-------- --------es:

<< Neither my dear Dex the distribution of physical beauty, the mystery of
the ages between man and woman, the sylvian ability to entice the man to
do the women's bidding, the soft and supple curves, and the sweet rich
smells that eminate from one so fair, and you have it all!!!!!!!

My God!! as one Onelister would say; what
more fair would thee have, my sweet??!!!??? >>


Ok...marry me now!

--Dexippus
<<very easily wooed>>



Subject: Re: Earth to Ericius
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:58:42 EST
In a message dated 11/27/98 11:29:04 PM EST, m--------oon@-------- wr--------:

<< The Vals are taking over
the World! >>

Like...we're here! Oh my God...we're cool! And like...we have credit cards!

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Business during the Election Period
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:03:10 EST
In a message dated 11/28/98 1:14:28 AM EST, jmath669642reng@-------- --------es:

<< Some Americans are
pretty stupid. When you have a minute for a laugh remind me and I'll
tell you a great story about an"ugly American" and I in Spain. I think
you'll get a kick out of it! >>

Which ones are you referring to Audens? I keep a list of stupid Americans
that travel to other countries at our embarrassment. Maybe we should compare?

--Dexippus

"Oh my gawd, Harold, quick! Get a piktcha of me here eating this crescawnt!
I didn't know they had American food in Paris!" --- Brenda Zimmerman (in
Paris for her 35th wedding anniversary...thinking a croissant was an American
pastry)



Subject: Re: Constitution auf Deutsch
From: Venator amgunn@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:04:26 -0800
Hailsa Secunda Floria Zonara,

When you are done, I can act as a proofreader. My German facility is
definitely not where it was, but I can puzzle things out with
Langenscheid's by my side. I may also be useful as a help over Heathen
concepts for German language intent.

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|





Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Venator amgunn@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:25:05 -0800
Hailsa Gaius Drusus Domitianus, Avete Omnes!

Last night in Chat, I was asked what I would like to do as Quaestor.
Contrary to my jagged edge misstep with Atticus recently, I should like
to work on Public Relations for Nova Roma, and the diplomacy needed
within the City. I am going to set up a Forum on my Deja-News account
for discussing the various European, Asian, African, American or Oceanic
Philosophies, Faiths and Religions.

I should like to keep the discussions within due bounds of propriety,
which I admit to breaking in the past.

When I have the Forum set up, I shall announce it here, on the Message
Board and in the Eagle. This will be moderated by me. I am very
tolerant of self-expression; but as I have done and apologized for, no
Ad Hominum (the old adage 'set a thief to catch a thief comes to mind).
Point out factual errors, perceived issues of Faith verus Practice,
disagreement with the vehemence of a person's position, etc.


With the Saturnalia and Yule Season coming up, I shall probably get this
set up and announced at the Ides of Ianuarius, along with my formal
proposal for the Sodalicum Coqueror et Coquus.

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|





Subject: Why I am here, (was Re: RPGs) A Little Long
From: Venator amgunn@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:59:20 -0800
Avete Omnes;

I hope this has some clearness.

I started playing Wargames in late 1970, then RPG's in late 1975. I
started 'playing' in the SCA in early 1974, after having participated in
Colonial and American Revolution historical re-enactments. My level of
participation in these activities is not what they once were. But I
still, on occassion 'play' at one of them, these are 'fun' for me.

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I began my journey away from my cradle Religion of Roman Catholicism in
1969, when I realized that I am philosophically a Polytheist. I
arrived, after a long convoluted journey, in the Hof of the Northern
Holy Ones on July 9, 1984. (The result of a 'visitation' with UllR
during a 'sweatlodge' ceremony. I do believe in Mystic Tranport and
Communication with the Holy Ones. Not direct Conversation, but
Inspiration and moments of 'Eureka'.) Asatru is a Religion which appeals
to my inner Faith and gives Honor to the Heritage from my pre-Christian
Nordic-Germanic-Celtic Ancestors.

I arrived in Nova Roma, as a Citzen, on 23 July of this year. Nova Roma
is a way I can Honor the Heritage I have from my pre-Christian Italian
ancestors and my interest in Roman History, Culture and Accomplishments.

For me, Asatru and Nova Roma are serious endevours, products of a long
search for activities which would suit the inner Faith and Attitudes
which I possess.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

I suggest that many here are in Nova Roma for many of the same reasons
as am I. Cultural re-creation, the Re-Awakening of the Religio Romana
(yes, I'm an Asatruar, but the Holy One of Olympus are, in my opinion,
cousins of my own understanding of the Aesir and Vanir of the North and
so, worthy of Respect and Honor), the Value of Roman History and
Achievement, the extent of Philosophical Thought, the Engineering and
Architechtural marvels, the depth and variety of Roman Society...

For others here, Nova Rome may be a 'weekender' - an activity in which
to escape what they do everyday. They are valuable too. They may be
the Citizens who fuel physical re-creations to create the 'setting' in
which they wish to 'play'.

We can all be seen as contributors to the common good of Nova Roma,
Revivalist and Re-enactor alike. Persons who seek to expand Nova Roma,
courteously and from some Historical or Philosophically complimentary
perspective, are valuable assets. The only persons I shall continue to
have a problem with are those who demonstrate, despite entreaties to the
contrary, that Nova Roma should be changed to suit their personal
agenda.

The materials defining Nova Roma on the website are, in my view, clear
on what Nova Roma is striving to be. Anyone who becomes a Citizen,
after reading and understanding the Constitution and other pages on the
Site, tries to push changes contrary to what Nova Roma is and gets short
shrift from other Cives, sets themselves up. It is incumbent on us to
remain as courteous, Faith and fact based as possible. I am sorry for
misunderstanding based on language imprecision in the past. But, I
shall vigourously be an advocate for Nova Roma. I will make better use
of private e-mail.

Thank you for youe indulgence of this long post.

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|





Subject: Re: Earth to Ericius
From: Venator amgunn@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:03:59 -0800
Ave Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia,
>
> HEY Erici!
> What do you think you're tryin to do to poor Flav?
>
> Not only has she got shopping to do but there are mudwrestling
> competitions to be organized!
>
> Oh no! Hold on!
> They've been changed to pudding wrestling competitions, with the
> pudding supplied by our master-chef himself; Venator!
>
> Count me in!!
>
It'll be an ooey-gooey Mocha-Double Fudge, Heavy Cream pudding with
Rasperry-Mint sauce!

>
> Will miss you all for the next few weeks!
> Good luck with elections and things, I'm hoping I can vote!
>
> You friend
> Noct'a
>
Best wishes on a speedy recovery for your computer. We'll be here when
you get back.
--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|





Subject: Re: BALLOT DISCREPANCY - PLEASE READ!
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:09:10 EST
In --------ss--------d-------- 11/29/98 0:20:22 AM EST, JoeBloch@-------- writes:

<< This is EXACTLY the sort of problem I was afraid of cropping up. Weeks and
weeks ago I offered my services to the Republic to assist with the elections
(since I am probably the person most familiar with the procedures,
considering
that I WROTE them), and was rebuffed. Now we see the result. >> etc. etc.
etc.

Ok...well, as the Taoists say, "SHIT HAPPENS".

--Dexippus
<<looking foward to the end of all this election stuff>>



Subject: Re: Augurs
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:12:03 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 0:56:22 AM EST, dean6886@-------- --------es:

<< Can either of our augurs explain to our general population exactly
what they are doing -- I thought this would make a really interesting
thread or are we still pretty much in the developement stage??? >>

Well, right now I am sitting in front of my computer typing while my clothes
dry...but are you really interested in knowing that?

Seriously though? Saevus and I are holding off until the elections and the
new calendar year to begin serious action in the Collegia of Augurs. With the
winter holidays upon us, it is a very hectic season. Once all the jiggamalew
is out of the way with holidays and elections we will be in a better position
to begin brainstorming ideas for the college and our services.

If anyone has any questions or suggestions, please feel free to e-mail either
Saevus or myself.

Thank you,

--Damianus Lucianus Dexippus
Augur



Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:13:08 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 1:12:38 AM EST, dean6886@-------- --------es:

<< As one of the primary goals of Nova Roma was to reestablish the
Religio Romana why doesn't the pagan population consider an area within
Nova Roma to discuss and talk about issues related to paganism. As some
of our citizens may have Celtic or Asatru, etc. leanings I think a
collegia or order devoted to pagan studies and pagan unity would be more
than appropriate. >>

Great idea! Any suggestions on getting this started?

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Eagle and ballots
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:16:00 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 10:21:13 AM EST, p--------@-------- writes:

<< Yes, the Eagle went to all Citizens, not just subscribers.
>>

Haven't received my copy yet.

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Ballot and resignation of candidacy
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:22:59 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 11:33:18 AM EST, m--------oon@-------- wr--------:

<< At any rate, forget voting for me for Consul. I'm outta here, as far as
the election goes. Just discount any votes that come in for me. As I
understand it, the Palladius/Cincinnatus team was going to declare
election fraud anyway if I'd won, which would have catapulted NR into
yet ANOTHER screaming, yelling and hollering match online. In the
meantime NOTHING is getting done and tempers are getting short way out
of proportion. This is getting way beyond stupid. >>


This is sad...oh so very sad. Flavia...don't resign the candidacy!

NO FLAVIA! NO CONSUL! NO ROME!

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Ballot and resignation of candidacy
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:24:10 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 11:38:28 AM EST, a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
writes:

<< As Dexippus' signature says;
OH WHY CAN'T WE ALL GET ON? >>

Or something like that! This must be the British translation. : )

--Dexippus

"Can't we all just get along?" -- Rodney King



Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: dean6886@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:27:55 -0600 (CST)

Well in response to Pythias post on what is a Roman Shintoist I guess
the brief explanation is - that the spirit world is everywhere around
us-rocks,glades,springs, etc.etc / ancestor worship also and the fact
that the Religio Romana has a great, great deal in common with the
practices of Japanese Shintoism. Correct me if I'm wrong, but then would
not every person practicing the Religio Romana in its purest form fall
under that concept. I believe that the term is only used to express the
similarities between East and West. Possibly the term numinism has a
closer relevance to Shinto ---- Maybe that's where some difference lies
in Religio Romana practice- worshipping the same gods/goddesses but in
the conception of what those gods/goddesses actually are in the beliefs
of the worshipper: A faceless god/goddess more as a natural force or as
a physical manifestation/actual being-individual. Any other thoughts????
Gaius Drusus Domitianus




Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:27:36 EST
In --------ss--------d-------- 11/29/98 12:16:58 PM EST, Nodigio@-------- writes:

<< Are the mater- and paterfamilias not performing the rituals as delineated
(or
something similar) on the webpage? Is anyone else performing the Rites and
Rituals and celebrating the days of the Gods? Just because we don't speak of
it so much during the election debates doesn't mean it's not underlying all
things, does it?

And Saturnalia? Is no one gearing up for the Grand and Glorious
Saturnalia??????? >>


Uh...yes! I am performing the required rituals (or a slightly altered form)
to the Lare for my Gens and for Nova Roma. And yep...gearing up for
Saturnalia/Yule. Aren't we all?

--Damianus Lucianus Dexippus
Paterfamilias, Gens Luciania
Augur, Nova Roma



Subject: Re: Holiday Cheer??/Can't we all just GET ALONG!!!
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:28:50 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 12:44:41 PM EST, amethystcrystallight@--------
writes:

<< Tis the season to be Jolly
Fa La La La La La La La La
You be good or you'll be sorry
Fa La La La La La La La La
Don we not our fighting togas
Fa La La La La La LA LA LA
Or get pudding up the nose
Fa La La La La La La La La >>


Fierce Girl! You need to join my Pagan Yule Carol in Rockefeller Center on
December 20!

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Business during the Election Period
From: Venator amgunn@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:31:26 -0800
Hej Dex!

If I may. The croissant is an invention of Viennese bakers. It was
made to commemerate Vienna not falling to the Muslim Army in 1529.

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|





Subject: Re: Ballot and resignation of candidacy
From: Claudia missmoon@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:50:22 -0500
Dexippus@-------- wrote:
>
> Fro
> This is sad...oh so very sad. Flavia...don't resign the candidacy!
>

I appreciate the support, but don't waste your time or your vote. I had
thought that we were friends --well, as friendly as you can get online!
-- but Palladius and Cincinnatus made it very clear by their actions
that if I was elected, neither of them was willing to work with me,
their public statements to the contrary: either they're a team or
nothing, I guess. But I did ask Palladius about the accusation of voter
fraud, and he said that his running mate had indeed planned to make that
objection.

Palladius is apparently upset that I made this public, but I'm real,
real sick of this backroom politics thing. If they can say it in
private, they might as well come clean in public. It isn't a personal
thing, after all, it has to do with public office.

As I understand it, the objections to my running as Consul seemed to be:
1) that I'm already a Vestal, however, nothing in our constution says
that a Vestal can't run for office, and many priests did hold office in
Rome. I think one of our present candidates is Flamen Martialis
2) that I ws running as an independent candidate. Again, nothing in the
Constution says you have to run as a team. Especially in an unopposed
race, this kind of smacks of collusion. If they're a team, Nova Roma had
no real choice without a third candidate.
3) they seemed to be under the impression that, as editor of the Eagle
and keeper of the database. I knew what the voter codes would be. I
suppose they figured that I'd just fiddle around with the votes so I'd
be sure to win. Hey, thanks a lot for the confidence in my honesty,
guys. Really appreciate it. However, the voter codes were assigned by
Cassius AFTER I'd given him the Citizen database. I have no idea who has
what code. But as the entire Senate has access to the database (I've
given the list to them more than once) they probably have as good an
access to the codes as I do.

I'm not accepting any more private e-mail or ICQ messages about this.
You guys either make your accusations in front of everyone or shut the
^%$ up. I've already resigned from the race, I'm not sure what else I
can do for you. I'm sure you'll make good consuls for NR and you've both
been working hard, especially since Germanicus left you holding the bag,
although personally, I'm really disappointed in both of you.

-- flavia Claudia



Subject: Re: Earth to Ericius
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:05:15 -0600
On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:22:21 EST Nodigio@-------- writes:
>From: Nodigio@--------
>
>In a message dated 11/29/98 8:01:49 AM Central Standard Time,
>amethystcrystallight@-------- writes:
>
>> what kind of pudding will be wrestled in --
>> vanilla? chocolate? tapioca? pistachio?
>>
>
>
>It being Nova Roma - I vote for either Rose Pudding (Rome being famous
>for
>it's roses and rose-based recipes) or Grape Jell-O (the white grape
>sparkling
>kind - it tingles!)
>
>Secunda Floria Zonara


I LIKE the way you think!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:03:48 -0600
On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:14:12 EST Nodigio@-------- writes:

>Is anyone else performing the
>Rites and
>Rituals and celebrating the days of the Gods?


I am. Or am trying to. I at least *acknowledge* the Kalends and Ides.


>And Saturnalia? Is no one gearing up for the Grand and Glorious
>Saturnalia???????


Again I am!! This year is especially important to me to do something for
this special holiday. We are decorating, I am planning special meals
(with a Roman theme no less) and baking cookies (for ourselves and
others) and making a grape juice (thanks Venator -- again) just for the
occasion, there will be presents for Terry at least, AND I am mailing a
card to Nova Roma as a whole (handmade by yours truly)! Trading places
will not happen this year in my home as I don't want to wear a diaper and
Terry isn't ready NOT to <G>, but in the upcoming years we will. We will
be visiting the Senior Center on at least one day out of the seven (they
love Ter). I'm a bit stuck on an offering to the gods, but I still have
some time yet. I cannot get to appropriate incenses (unless the holiday
cinnamon stuff will serve) and we don't yet have an altar set up in the
house (I'm looking, but nothing has called to me yet), so the whole place
is sort of an altar.


My .02 (on holiday special for 100% off!!!)


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Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Claud----------------oon@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:45:14 -0500
Amethystia I Crystallina wrote:
>
>
> Trading places
> will not happen this year in my home as I don't want to wear a diaper and
> Terry isn't ready NOT to <G>, but in the upcoming years we will.

Hey! How about ME? I have to trade places with either the Large Unruly
Dog, the guinea pigs, or the ratties. Which means that I'd get to be the
boss around here for a change...

-- Flavia Claudia



Subject: Re: Holiday Cheer??/Can't we all just GET ALONG!!!
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:51:42 -0600
On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:28:50 EST Dexippus@-------- writes:

>
>
>Fierce Girl! You need to join my Pagan Yule Carol in Rockefeller
>Center on
>December 20!
>
>--Dexippus
>


Heck, I'm about to get travel approval for the California trip....why
not?! You mail me the ticket, we'll be there!!!!!!!


I am now working on 'Gods Rest Non-Merry Citizens' or 'Gods Rest Ye Putzy
Citizens' (provided I can remember the words to the original song <G>).


I am striving for peace in Nova Roma.........and I'll get it if I hafta
beat every last Roman arse in the jernt!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Subject: Incenses for Saturnalia
From: Claudia missmoon@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:59:57 -0500
Amethystia brings up a good point. What do you use for incense?

Actually, the make-it-yourself kind is the best! And yep, cinnamon is a
wonderful scent for Saturnalia. You can make beautiful incenses out of
regular grocery-store spices. Generally, anything cheerful is
appropriate. Try a combination of cinnamon and cloves, and add a little
dried, grated orange or lemon peel. Orange lends a sunny, happy
atmosphere. Try ginger, orange peel and nutmeg, put it in a glass jar,
add a little vanilla oil or vanilla bean (if you have it), shake it up
to mix and leave it a couple of days before you burn it on charcoal.

If you can get sassafras root, burn it all by itself. You'll love it --
a mood-brightening 'root-beer' scent.

For all you followers of Sol Invictus, try sandalwood, cinnamon, clove,
and a little frankincense.

And if anyone has anything relating to Saturnalia, there'll be a special
Saturnalia issue of the Eagle in December, so e-mail me your Saturnalia
articles (filking songs, too, Venator!) by Dec. 10.

Remember, Saturnalia gifts were traditionally of silver. But I'd think
that anything wrapped in silver paper would do!

-- Flavia Claudia



Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Nodigio@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:30:50 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 12:07:50 PM Central Standard Time,
kingan@-------- writ--------br>
> .what exactly IS Roman Shinto,
> and how many of you are there?
>


We don't keep any sort of count, but I personally know (and/or have taught)
around 300 Roman Shintoists.

It began at the end of WWII - a blending of the ancient Roman Paganism and the
Japanese Way of the Gods. The Kami of the Japanese - the spirits with
specific purposes, but untied as many Roman spirits were to their land seemd
to fit so well between the Roman Gods and the Roman spirits such as the Lares
and Penates and Geniuses. The feeling of the 2 ways felt as if they were
complementary completions of one another, so it seemed only natural to blend
them together.

Many of us tend to live simple, and often isolated lives in contemplation.
It's a rare Roman Shintoist who has a TV, let alone a computer! The path is
very soul satisfying for those who tread it.

Me - I'm a teacher of it, so I tend to be more vocal about sharing it. Many
others don't talk much about it - it is a lifestyle, more than it is a set of
beliefs. It is something one simply DOES - all the time, everywhere. When
you meet a Roman Shintoist in person, it's not always obvious unless you're
very observant. They'll have a packet of seed for the birds, and colored
flours and grains to sprinkle at the base of trees and other sacred places,
they'll pause and smile for apparently no reason, they'll study the clouds and
the bird flight patterns, then nod and walk on, they'll watch the blowing of
leaves intently, then shrug and keep talking. It's in the little things that
one tells a Roman Shintoist. Just as Asatru or Celtic Trad isn't for
everyone, neither is Roman Shintoism. I like it because it speaks to deep
places within me, and reaffirms a connection to everything, in ways that are
personal and simple.

Secunda Floria Zonara



Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Nodigio@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:37:11 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 12:28:06 PM Central Standard Time,
dean6886@-------- --------es:

> that the spirit world is everywhere around
> us-rocks,glades,springs, etc.etc / ancestor worship also and the fact
> that the Religio Romana has a great, great deal in common with the
> practices of Japanese Shintoism.


Yes, that's the essence. The two just go together so well - like ducks and
water, or leaves and trees.

Secunda Floria Zonara



Subject: Re: huh?
From: Ira Adams iadams@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:37:47 -0600
OK, Augustina Iulia, this is public (and not at all meant harshly,
but...) PLEASE LEARN TO CLIP QUOTED MATERIAL WHEN YOU REPLY.

This "thread in one message" is truly ridiculous, besides being very
obnoxious.

L. Sergius Aust.

Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia

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>>>
>>>From: Pythia kingan@--------
>>>
>>>Well, It looks as if I blew this one! I might as well go public!
>>>I really think Germanicus got up on the wrong side of the bed here!
>>>I don't think your post was very helpful in a situation that was an
>>>honest mistake....and if you were so concerned about the proceedings
>>you
>>>should have thought about that before you hightailed out of here and
>>>left everyone to pick up the pieces.
>>>
>>>I really don't want to start another of these endless threads about
>>>Germanicus, but I am fairly annoyed about this mornings post. Someone
>>>recently pointed out how new Nova Roma is, and we don't need snipers
>>>coming in at the 11th hour to vent!
>>>
>>>I think we can sort out this Ballot discrepancy if we use our
>>>considerable intellects and read the website and the information,
>>rather
>>>than get caught up in these arguments!
>>>
>>>I am sorry to have started something here that I did not mean to,but
>>now
>>>that I have I won't shrink from speaking my mind....
>>>
>>>(and please don't bid on my husband's Solstice gift ;-)
>>>
>>>Pythia
>>>Pythia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Pythia kingan@--------
>>>>
>>>> Good morning Pat and Cassius!
>>>>
>>>> What exactly does Germanicus hope to achieve with his little poisen
>>pen
>>>> this morning?
>>>>
>>>> Also, Cassius, I just sent you an email about the Lekithos I am
>>bidding
>>>> on, but you won't get it untill the end of the auction. If you are
>>>> interested in having a look, it is #44081097. (It will probobly get
>>up
>>>> to about $250
>>>>
>>>> Ave atque Vale,
>>>> Pythia
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>Oooops!
>>
>>
>>From: Pythia kingan@--------
>>>>
>>>> Good morning Pat and Cassius!
>>>>
>>>> What exactly does Germanicus hope to achieve with his little poisen
>>pen
>>>> this morning?
>>
>>
>>This wa a bad email to publish at the moment!!
>>
>>I do agree that this shouldn't start a major war, but as I am quite
>>P$%ŖSd of with people saying things about people behind their backs at
>>the moment, maybe if you have something to say about someone, saying it
>>in public IS the best place!
>>
>>
>>See ya all!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
>>Noct'a to her friends
>>Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
>>Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae
>>
>>__________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
>>always a child. For what is the meaning of a manís life unless it is
>>intertwined with that of our ancestorís by history?
>>
>> Cicero
>> Orator 120
>>____________________________________________________________
>>
>>You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
>>Very great staves, very strong staves
>>Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
>>Carved by the prophet of the Gods
>>
>> Hũvamũl (The words of the God Odin)
>>
>>__________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>Quote of all time!
>>
>>Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
>>marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
>>et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
>>memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
>>et debellare superbos.
>>
>>(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
>>delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
>>causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
>>tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
>>nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with
>law,
>>tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)
>>
>> Vergil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
>This is mainly to Pythia.
>
>
>I'm sorry for being that harsh, as I said I am p****d off with people
>talking about others behind their backs, but I shouldn't have taken it
>out on you.
>
>I apologize profusely
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
>Noct'a to her friends
>Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
>Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae
>
>__________________________________________________
>
>
>To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
>always a child. For what is the meaning of a manís life unless it is
>intertwined with that of our ancestorís by history?
>
> Cicero
> Orator 120
>____________________________________________________________
>
>You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
>Very great staves, very strong staves
>Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
>Carved by the prophet of the Gods
>
> Hũvamũl (The words of the God Odin)
>
>__________________________________________________
>
>
>Quote of all time!
>
>Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
>marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
>et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
>memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
>et debellare superbos.
>
>(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
>delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
>causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
>tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
>nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
>tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)
>
> Vergil
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: ballots and candidates
From: Ira Adams iadams@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:37:51 -0600
Claudia

>From: Claud----------------oon@--------
[snip]
>.... It's easier to change the Website ballot than the paper
>one, but I understand from Palladius that it would ruin the system of
>letting consuls run as a team and defeats the purpose.

This doesn't follow logically from the option to vote for two of three
candidates -- I could as easily vote for you and one of the others. On
the other hand, as has been pointed out, being allowed to vote for only
one office out of two disenfranchises the voter.
>
>Still not sure who came up with the idea of any candidates running as a
>team. That's not in the Constitution either.

My impression, from when it was first brought up, is that it arose from
someone's mistaken idea of how it was done in Roma Antiqua. While it is
true that candidates did sometimes pair up, it was never a requirement or
even a custom, as far as my reading has revealed. I thought that your own
single candidacy was evidence that the mistake had been rectified.
>
>-- Flavia Claudia

You have suggested that Palladius has tried to rig the consular election
and that he planned to invalidate your election if you were to win. Those
sound like impeachable -- whoops! wrong government -- exileable offenses,
if you have proof. Have you any?

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust.




sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.

(I think some people in togas are plotting against me.)




Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Nodigio@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:55:29 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 1:22:51 PM Central Standard Time,
amethystcrystallight@-------- writes:

> I'm a bit stuck on an offering to the gods, but I still have
> some time yet. I cannot get to appropriate incenses (unless the holiday
> cinnamon stuff will serve) and we don't yet have an altar set up in the
> house


Olive oil, colored flours to sprinkle, fresh fruits, seasonal flowers,
ribbons, poems and songs, handmade items of any sort.....these are all
appropriate offerings for the Gods.

Incense: get some rosemary and some pine needles - grind to a powder and
sprinkle on hot coals (the kind you can sometimes find at "New Agey type
stores") or sprinkle onto a metal ring and place on alightbulb, or sprinkle
into a small amount of water over one of those candle heated butter warmers.
If you want to get solid cones or sticks - mix in a bit of gum tragacanth and
enough water to make a thick paste, add in 1 part in 10 of saltpetre to help
it burn, and you have a nice, Romanish incense. Fragrances that work well
for Roman Gods are: Rose, Pine, Sandalwood, Cinnamon, Rosemary, and Apple.

A "kamidana" works nicely - a corner shelf just big enough to hold the icon, a
vase, incense burner, and an offering bowl. Also, those woven willow "manger"
wall hangings are very nice - they have a roof and sides and a floor, but are
open for the placement othe icon, vase, incense burner, and offering bowl.
You can ornament it seasonally with ribbons and flowers and fruit....

Secunda Floria Zonara



Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Ricci razenna@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:09:19 -0800
> > As one of the primary goals of Nova Roma was to reestablish the
> > Religio Romana why doesn't the pagan population consider an area within
> > Nova Roma to discuss and talk about issues related to paganism.>

Yeah. Kewl! (I'm studying this new lingo)But... I thought the List, I thought
Nova Roma WAS an area to discuss and talk about the Religio and the
inter-relation with other forms of Paganism, and even the Abrahamic
religions. And as far as whether or not this can be done without other
people feeling left out... You lost me there (that is irony). Some folk are
left out by a LOT of what goes on here. Some folk are left out be a lot that
goes on in the outside world. Should we have a special area for people
talking about the Legions? No! Most definitely, no. A special area for
folk talking about babies, again, no. (Though I would not mind that.) It all
a part of Nova Roma.

One reason that there not been much on the Religio on the list could be that
some of us do not want our religion given the same treatment that our friends
have been given. [Transmission cut off]

Caius Aelius Ericius
Pontiff




Subject: Re: Ballot and resignation of candidacy
From: Razenna razenna@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:21:24 -0800
Once again I am sending a short comment with the original intact. I thought
it was better than doing snipping that might come out as editorializing. My
comments follow the quoted message.

Claudia wrote:

> From: Claud----------------oon@--------
>
> Dexippus@-------- wrote:
> >
> > Fro
> > This is sad...oh so very sad. Flavia...don't resign the candidacy!
> >
>
> I appreciate the support, but don't waste your time or your vote. I had
> thought that we were friends --well, as friendly as you can get online!
> -- but Palladius and Cincinnatus made it very clear by their actions
> that if I was elected, neither of them was willing to work with me,
> their public statements to the contrary: either they're a team or
> nothing, I guess. But I did ask Palladius about the accusation of voter
> fraud, and he said that his running mate had indeed planned to make that
> objection.
>
> Palladius is apparently upset that I made this public, but I'm real,
> real sick of this backroom politics thing. If they can say it in
> private, they might as well come clean in public. It isn't a personal
> thing, after all, it has to do with public office.
>
> As I understand it, the objections to my running as Consul seemed to be:
> 1) that I'm already a Vestal, however, nothing in our constution says
> that a Vestal can't run for office, and many priests did hold office in
> Rome. I think one of our present candidates is Flamen Martialis
> 2) that I ws running as an independent candidate. Again, nothing in the
> Constution says you have to run as a team. Especially in an unopposed
> race, this kind of smacks of collusion. If they're a team, Nova Roma had
> no real choice without a third candidate.
> 3) they seemed to be under the impression that, as editor of the Eagle
> and keeper of the database. I knew what the voter codes would be. I
> suppose they figured that I'd just fiddle around with the votes so I'd
> be sure to win. Hey, thanks a lot for the confidence in my honesty,
> guys. Really appreciate it. However, the voter codes were assigned by
> Cassius AFTER I'd given him the Citizen database. I have no idea who has
> what code. But as the entire Senate has access to the database (I've
> given the list to them more than once) they probably have as good an
> access to the codes as I do.
>
> I'm not accepting any more private e-mail or ICQ messages about this.
> You guys either make your accusations in front of everyone or shut the
> ^%$ up. I've already resigned from the race, I'm not sure what else I
> can do for you. I'm sure you'll make good consuls for NR and you've both
> been working hard, especially since Germanicus left you holding the bag,
> although personally, I'm really disappointed in both of you.
>
> -- flavia Claudia

I believe that Cincinatus and Palladius should reply to this on the List. I
believe that Cincinatus is not that close to his puter this weekend, the
same might hold true for Palladius. Just the same I do believe that the
sooner they give a reasoned reply the better it will be for Nova Roma.

Caius Aelius Ericius
Paterfamilias gens Aelia
Praetor ad Californiam Provinciam
Pontiff




Subject: Eagle Backlog
From: Venator amgunn@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:05:40 -0800
Hailsa Flavia Claudia!

How many issues worth of backlog do you have from me for the Eagle?
I can send more if you like.

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
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Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Venator amgunn@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:41:41 -0800
Hailsa Amethystia I Crystallina!

>
> >Saturnalia???????
>
> Again I am!! (snip) making a grape juice (thanks Venator -- again)
>

You are very welcome, the spices are also good with cider or regular
apple juice. And spiced cider goes wonderfully well with big, cakey
doughnuts!

> (snip) We will be visiting the Senior Center on at least one day out of
> the seven (they love Ter). I'm a bit stuck on an offering to the gods,
> but I still have some time yet. I cannot get to appropriate incenses
> (unless the holiday cinnamon stuff will serve) and we don't yet have an
> altar set up in the house (I'm looking, but nothing has called to me
> yet), so the whole place is sort of an altar.
>

My dear Cousin. In bringing joy to the Elders in the Community in which
you and your children reside, you do them Honor. This is a Gift you are
freely giving to the Holy Ones. For in Honoring and bringing Joy to our
Elders, we also give through them, to the Ancestors and the Gods.

Keeping to a rigid form has its uses, but a Gift (any Gift), Freely and
Lovingly Given is appropriate. (Besides, Cinnamon is a wonderfully
homey smell. And is not the Home and the Family a strong base for Nova
Rome, and thereby the Religio?)

> My .02 (on holiday special for 100% off!!!)
>
> Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)

A Gift Honors the Giver, and is truly beyond price. May the Season,
Saturnalia, Yuletide, or other, bring One and All Ease of Spirit,
Prosperity, Good Health and the warmth of Family and Friends.

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|




Subject: Re: Ballot and resignation of candidacy
From: "D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:36:04 -0500 (EST)

On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Claudia wrote:

> From: Claud----------------oon@--------
>
> I'm still trying to figure out what makes this so difficult.
> Just do it Palladius' way with a vote for however many offices there are
> open, and e-mail EVERYBODY telling them to disregard the paper ballot
> and vote at the Website.


You are making this seem personal, it is not. The Eagle is wrong, and
you are saying that since it is wrong we must just go with it and change
the way the elections were going to be held? I have no idea where you got
the idea to set up one vote for 2 positions, I have never seen a real
world election done that way having worked in 4 campaigns in the "real
world" as well as voted in many. You had access to my election website
well before the Eagle was printed, I sent you the URL (which clearly said
a vote for every open position) for comments which you gave to me. You
must have seen the instructions at the top of the page. I have spoken and
written to Cassius several times to make sure that was the way
we were doing it, as recently as this past week.

> How come everything has to turn into a friggin' constitutional crisis
> and any human error has to be "political maneuvering"?

Did anyone call it political maneuvering? I told you it was a mistake and
I said we should fix it. Your attitude seemed to be just to shrug it off.
My point is that that for several offices there are more than one
position. By depriving people of the ability to vote for people for each
office they are not being allowed to fully participate. In the race for
consul, I am running with Cincinnatus as a team and have been campaigning
as a team, writing to people to ask them to vote for both of us. A single
vote would undermine that and would change what we have been telling
people for months what the voting process would be. It not only affects
the consul race but that for Praetor Urbanus and Tribune of the Plebs,
where some of the candidates have, if not run as a team, then given tacit
approval of the other candidates. (Metellus and Callidus forming a
rapport for example)

Some people planned on splitting their vote: Claudia/Cincinnatus,
Palladius/Claudia though of course I have encouraged my supporters to vote
for me and Cincinnatus. A single vote would have deprived people of their
ability to give their full say for the election in all the races I hjave
mentioned.

> At any rate, forget voting for me for Consul. I'm outta here, as far as
> the election goes. Just discount any votes that come in for me. As I
> understand it, the Palladius/Cincinnatus team was going to declare
> election fraud anyway if I'd won, which would have catapulted NR into
> yet ANOTHER screaming, yelling and hollering match online.

Since I plan on winning this election fair and square this is pure
nonsense. If I lose I would not call foul.

> In the
> meantime NOTHING is getting done and tempers are getting short way out
> of proportion. This is getting way beyond stupid.

Yes, it is.



Palladius

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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca


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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.






Subject: Re: Holiday Cheer??/Can't we all just GET ALONG!!!
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:28:03 -0600
On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:14:38 +0000 Pythia kingan@-------- writ--------br> >From: Pythia kingan@--------
>
>Amethystia I Crystallina wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Heck, I'm about to get travel approval for the California
>trip....why
>> not?! You mail me the ticket, we'll be there!!!!!!!
>
>AHEM.......
>
>Am I to understand that you are GOING to California???? Whats this?
>
>Pythia (Glowering down her nose!)
>


OOPS!!!! NO!! I am NOT going to California!!! But that was one of the
reasons I am going to the doctor Tuesday (that and a glucose tolerance
test along with the measure the belly get the heart rate get my delivery
date stuff). SO.....if Dex wants me in New York (where I can drool over
Matt Lovely) I'm ready to go!!!!!!


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Subject: Re: Incenses for Saturnalia
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:32:34 -0600
On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:59:57 -0500 Claud----------------oon@--------
writes:

>
>And if anyone has anything relating to Saturnalia, there'll be a
>special
>Saturnalia issue of the Eagle in December, so e-mail me your
>Saturnalia
>articles (filking songs, too, Venator!) by Dec. 10.
>


Terry is in one of her little holiday dresses in the picture I'm sending
if you wanna publish her. The pics will be in the mail either tomorrow
or Tuesday.


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:49:31 -0600
On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:09:19 -0800 Ricci raz--------@-------- writ--------br>
>Should we have a special area for
>people
>talking about the Legions? No! Most definitely, no. A special area
>for
>folk talking about babies, again, no. (Though I would not mind that.)
>It all
>a part of Nova Roma.
>


Actually once the Sodalis Pro Infantia gets going, there MAY be sort of a
spin-off to this mailing list (<a href="mailto:romaparents@--------" >romaparents@--------</a> or something like
that) simply because I dare say there is enough on this list without
getting bogged down too far with Ancient Roman Potty Training <G>. But
this is most likely quite some time in the future. There are so many
aspects to Nova Roma a separate email list for them all would be a bit
much, especially for those of us who like hearing about other things. I
know MY delete key is working just fine.


>Caius Aelius Ericius
>Pontiff
>


BTW.....your first attempt at Valley-Speak went quite well. You'll
become a Valley Pontiff just in time for the language to be abandoned for
Ebonics!!!!!! <G> Maybe Valley Ebonics???


Like total Peace my Brotha!!!!!


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Subject: Re: Ballot and resignation of candidacy
From: dean6886@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:44:33 -0600 (CST)
I'm sorry but this has really gotten quite sad. People making any
kinds of personal attacks and I'm not pointing any fingers for and
election or otherwise is really uncalled for. There is no need to slam
anybody elses position on any issue here now and quite probably the
future. Each of us contribute to Nova Roma what we wish to and it is my
hope that we can find ways to each work together to make Nova Roma
evolve to its fullest potential. Some of the postings have been rather
blunt and I have lately gotten in the habit of deleting some election
postings before I'm tempted to read on- I think others have at least
been tempted to do the same. All of you have sought to be elected for
the purpose of contributing to N. Roma in areas that you feel best suit
your abilities and I would hope you ALL realize that in any of these
debates you may be arguing with the very people who are willing to help
you the most- attract more flies with sugar kind of thing.
I also realize it is very easy to misinterpret the written word and
I see it done again and again over the internet- let's keep that in
mind.
Is it not possible for all of you for the remainder of the election just
stick to issues about what You would like to do and when there is a
debate just make it simple with I disagree because...--- I think there
would be a lot more interest if it was kept to that format. Could anyone
disagree????
Our ballot issue- hey mistakes happen. Let's just go and remail those
notices and if needed ask publicly for a special donation to pay for
this. As a matter of fact maybe there should be a once a year
fundraising drive in lieu of membership fees- totally voluntary and a
general amount of money asked for for each citizen based on paticipation
and ability to pay- totally voluntary guidelines. - I don't think asking
for $15 a year extra for an ordinary citizen up to no more than $25 for
someone expected as in our websight guidelines to contribute a little
more. Any of our candidates agree? We do need the funds from somewhere
to do just about anything and with let's say even 100 citizens
contributing we'd at least have $1500 or so dollars in choices to make-
how about it?
Gaius Drusus Domitianus




Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Razenna razenna@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:01:29 -0800



> . I
> know MY delete key is working just fine.
>

Like, Yeah! My Delete Key works just fine.Everything coming into one place
gives us the opportunity to pick what we Want to "listen" too. Like at a
party, or (gasp) in a town square [the Forum].

> BTW.....your first attempt at Valley-Speak went quite well. You'll
> become a Valley Pontiff just in time for the language to be abandoned for
> Ebonics!!!!!! <G> Maybe Valley Ebonics???

ValPonics???

Vale.
Ericius.




Subject: Re: Eagle Backlog
From: Claudia missmoon@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:35:11 -0500
Venator wrote:
>
> From: Venator amgunn@--------
>
> Hailsa Flavia Claudia!
>
> How many issues worth of backlog do you have from me for the Eagle?
> I can send more if you like.

I have three recipes, two of which I'm using in the Saturnalia issue.
Also, wait'll you see the nifty graphic I found for your column!

-- FC



Subject: Re: ballots and candidates
From: Claudia missmoon@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:39:59 -0500
Ira Adams wrote:
>

> You have suggested that Palladius has tried to rig the consular election
> and that he planned to invalidate your election if you were to win. Those
> sound like impeachable -- whoops! wrong government -- exileable offenses,
> if you have proof. Have you any?

They most certainly did NOT try to rig the Consular election. It just
seems to be more of an election with a third candidate. However,
Cincinnatus did declare that he was going to charge elction fraud if I
won. I heard this from two people, one of which was Palladius. But all
this is academic, isn't it? I'm not running.

And let's not get this "exilable" word bouncing around.

-- FC



Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: "Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:52:10 PST


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>From: amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethystia I Crystallina)
>
>On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:14:12 EST Nodigio@-------- writes:
>
>>Is anyone else performing the
>>Rites and
>>Rituals and celebrating the days of the Gods?
>
>
>I am. Or am trying to. I at least *acknowledge* the Kalends and Ides.
>
>
>>And Saturnalia? Is no one gearing up for the Grand and Glorious
>>Saturnalia???????
>
>
>Again I am!! This year is especially important to me to do something
for
>this special holiday. We are decorating, I am planning special meals
>(with a Roman theme no less) and baking cookies (for ourselves and
>others) and making a grape juice (thanks Venator -- again) just for the
>occasion, there will be presents for Terry at least, AND I am mailing a
>card to Nova Roma as a whole (handmade by yours truly)! Trading places
>will not happen this year in my home as I don't want to wear a diaper
and
>Terry isn't ready NOT to <G>, but in the upcoming years we will. We
will
>be visiting the Senior Center on at least one day out of the seven
(they
>love Ter). I'm a bit stuck on an offering to the gods, but I still
have
>some time yet. I cannot get to appropriate incenses (unless the
holiday
>cinnamon stuff will serve) and we don't yet have an altar set up in the
>house (I'm looking, but nothing has called to me yet), so the whole
place
>is sort of an altar.
>
>
>My .02 (on holiday special for 100% off!!!)
>
>
>Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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I keep to the standard days like Kalends, Nones, Idvs etc, and to the
days of my Patron Deities.
I also say daily prayers





Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Noct'a to her friends
Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae

__________________________________________________


To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
always a child. For what is the meaning of a man’s life unless it is
intertwined with that of our ancestor’s by history?

Cicero
Orator 120
____________________________________________________________

You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
Very great staves, very strong staves
Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
Carved by the prophet of the Gods

Hāvamāl (The words of the God Odin)

__________________________________________________


Quote of all time!

Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
et debellare superbos.

(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)

Vergil










Subject: Re: Plebs and Patricians
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:01:30 -0500 (EST)
Is that an order or a proposal????? Boy, you appointed office-holders
get pushy in this season of the year!! What is your augury for our
happiness should we see our way clear through all the "difficulties?"

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!




Subject: Re: Augurs
From: "Patrick Dunn" saevvs@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:05:25 PST


> Can either of our augurs explain to our general population
exactly
>what they are doing -- I thought this would make a really interesting
>thread or are we still pretty much in the developement stage???
>
> Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Me, I'm holdingt my head and weeping at the second fall of Rome. . .

But in between that and researching Shakespeare, I'm trying to compile a
handbook of augury to use in the training of new augurs as well as a
guide for those of us who have already been appointed.

--M. Gladius Saevus



Subject: Re: BALLOT DISCREPANCY - PLEASE READ!
From: "Patrick Dunn" saevvs@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:09:06 PST

>>This is EXACTLY the sort of problem I was afraid of cropping up. Weeks
and
>>weeks ago I offered my services to the Republic to assist with the
elections
>>(since I am probably the person most familiar with the procedures,
>>considering
>>that I WROTE them), and was rebuffed. Now we see the result.
>
>Germanicus' election-time offer was considered carefully, as all his
>input has been. Unfortunately it came within a week of his return as a
>Citizen. That return itself sparked so much controversy within Nova
Roma,
>that it was impossible to obtain any sort of consensus as to what role
he
>possibly *could* play in the current election. Many Citizens had real
>problems with simply just turning all the elections entirely over to
>Germanicus under those circumstances.

Constitutional Adviser to the Consuls? That might have worked.

*rips out a great clump of hair* *lays it neatly next to the other
great clumps of hair lying around*

--M. Gladius Saevus




Subject: Re: Religio Romana and Indo-European Paganism
From: Venator amgunn@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:19:36 -0800
Hailsa Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia!

I must say that the sight of a quote from the Havamal gladdens my
northern heart.

> ____________________________________________________________
>
> You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
> Very great staves, very strong staves
> Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
> Carved by the prophet of the Gods
>
> Hāvamāl (The words of the God Odin)
>
> __________________________________________________
>

If I may offer another verse, the advice of which I had recently
forgotten.

"The ill-minded man who meanly thinks,
fleers at both foul and fair;
he does not know, as know he ought,
that he is not free from flaws."

-The Sayings of the High One

And for those who believe they have little to offer,

"Not great things needs give to a man:
bringeth thanks oft a little thing;
with half a loaf and a half-drained cup
I won me oft worthy friend."

-Havamal
--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|




Subject: Ugly Americans abroad
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:19:10 -0500 (EST)
I don't think this fellow made your list out of Pure-R-D-Embarrassment.

I was living in Spain at the time and my wife and I were returning from
a short vacation in Madrid. We stopped at a scenic spot along the way
and had a soda, and in talking with the young man at the refreshment
stand, he asked us for a ride down the road as his moto-cyclata was in
for repairs. I agreed, and at that moment a tour bus pulled into the
lot, and the young man said he would have to stay for a few moments. I
told him no problem I would help and shortly found myself popping tops
off soda bottles for the touristas. One of the tourists a meaty
red-neck pushed to the front of the line and holding out two sausage
shaped fingers in my face shouted at me "Dos Coke hombre and Pronto!!!"

I just looked at him and said just loud enough for all to hear," I am a
Chief Warrant Officer in the United States Navy, and if you talk to me
like that again I shall kick your A--." Things suddenly got very quiet
and then the whole group began to clap their hands. The U.A. was led
away by the ear, with his wife hollaring in it,"I told you Geoorge, that
one day.........."

I think that was the best day that I spent in Spain, in the two years
that I statoned there.

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!




Subject: Re: Ugly Americans abroad
From: Venator amgunn@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:30:26 -0800
Kinsman Audens, Hailsa!
>
> I don't think this fellow made your list out of Pure-R-D-Embarrassment.
>
> I was living in Spain (snip)
> I think that was the best day that I spent in Spain, in the two years
> that I statoned there.
>
> M. Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

<LOL> I salute you Mister Mathews!

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|




Subject: Re: BALLOT DISCREPANCY - PLEASE READ!
From: "Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:30:23 -0500
Salvete Marce Cassi et alii

:Meanwhile, Flavia Claudia, Vestal, editor of the Eagle, and also
:candidate for Consul, has created a different kind of ballot in the
:election issue of the Eagle which INSTRUCTS VOTERS TO CHOOSE ONLY *ONE*
:CANDIDATE FOR EACH POST even if there is more than one position
:available. Citizens would choose only one Consul, for example, and the
:positions would go to the first two candidates for each position that get
:the highest votes.


I think that this would be correct, that is, I 'vote' for voting as Flavia
Claudia has outlined.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus:





Subject: Re: ballots and candidates
From: "Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:09:59 -0500
Salvete


:
:Still not sure who came up with the idea of any candidates running as a
:team. That's not in the Constitution either.
:
:-- Flavia Claudia

And it shouldn't be in the constitution if we are trying to follow the
spirit of the documents, as in the Preamble, about patterning laws and
culture on the basis of the Republic of Rome.

Candidates for Consul did not have to be paired up. Claudia's candidacy was
going to save this election from becoming a pathetic 'vote for us or write
in Mickey Mouse's name' type of exercise -- now, well, here's for a good
election next year...

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus
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Subject: Legions-No!!
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:06:26 -0500 (EST)
I'm not sure why there should not be a place within Nova Roma for those
interested in the military prowess and organization of Rome.

The legions were the army of the Republic, and as such were simply a
more disciplined outgrowth of that culture. Any military endeavor is
such. The dicipline is necessary in order to ask the soldier to lay
down his life, but his cultural instincts are certainly in line with the
culture that spawned him / her.

In Rome the Legions were not only military in nature but labored also on
ublic works like roads and bridges throughout the Republic and the later
Empire. There are probably not many in Nova Roma who are interested in
such but there may be a few, who would be amused in the study of Roman
Engineering, Roman Cartography, Roman Naval Architecture. I think you
err in the limiting nature of your message, but perhaps you did not mean
it the way it sounded to me, in which case, I beg your pardon. However,
if you did mean it as exclusitory, then I would debate thee upon this
subject in the forum, not with anger, not with deceit, and not with arms
of iron or brass, but rather with the noblest of weapons,
words whose truth flies far beyod those of balliste or scorpion!!

Marcus Municius Audens
Military Tribune

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!




Subject: Re: Ugly Americans abroad
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:26:11 -0500 (EST)
My Dear Venator;

I suppose it is prideful to prate about such; But It Felt
Sooooooooooooo Good!!!!!!

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!




Subject: Re: Business during the Election Period
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:39:04 EST
In a me--------e dated 11/29/98 1:40:13 PM EST, amgunn@-------- write--------r>
<< If I may. The croissant is an invention of Viennese bakers. It was
made to commemerate Vienna not falling to the Muslim Army in 1529. >>

Yes...this is true. I remember that story well...my French Canadian friend,
Pierre, points this out everytime I eat a croissant in his presence.

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Incenses for Saturnalia
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:44:18 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 3:02:03 PM EST, m--------oon@-------- wr--------:

<< Remember, Saturnalia gifts were traditionally of silver. But I'd think
that anything wrapped in silver paper would do! >>


Tin Foil works good!

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Holiday Cheer??/Can't we all just GET ALONG!!!
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:43:16 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 2:50:54 PM EST, amethystcrystallight@--------
writes:

<< Heck, I'm about to get travel approval for the California trip....why
not?! You mail me the ticket, we'll be there!!!!!!!
>>

Hmmm...let me see if I can start a collection!

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Holiday Cheer??/Can't we all just GET ALONG!!!
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:49:52 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 4:50:21 PM EST, amethystcrystallight@--------
writes:

<< SO.....if Dex wants me in New York (where I can drool over
Matt Lovely) I'm ready to go!!!!!!
>>

So far I've raised 25 cents!

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Ugly Americans abroad
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:53:49 EST
In a message dated 11/29/98 8:19:20 PM EST, jmath669642reng@-------- --------es:

<< The U.A. was led
away by the ear, with his wife hollaring in it,"I told you Geoorge, that
one day.........." >>


How funny! I would have loved to see that one!

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Earth to Ericius
From: SFP55@--------
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:42:01 EST
In a message dated 98-11-29 07:50:33 EST, you write:

<< The MALL is open late! Like, you really totally think I'm
>> going to miss hanging at the Mall where they have beaded sweaters ON
>> SALE, when I just got the limit raised on my Paterfamilia's credit
card and my wardrobe totally needs a makeover? As if. >>


Um sorry Flavia, but we don't speak that way here. We did in the eighties.
Actually the prevelent dialect in the SFV is Latino tinged: "Hey man! Kay
passer? (I didn't say they spoke perfect Latino.) Make a note of it.

Vale
Q Fabius.